This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Hamilton, Wilkerson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/mbexec/msg/5538/xFh.2ACEB/3429 Message Board Post: I'm looking for information about the family of Caroline "Carrie" Hamilton (b. abt 1850 in Pennsylvania or Saratoga County, New York)? She married Joseph Wilkerson (b. abt 1840 in Ohio) before 1867. Her parents were possibly William Hamilton and Sarah. Carrie and Joseph were living in Carroll Co., Missouri in 1880. They had at least 10 children: Edward, Fred, Elizabeth, Ella, William, Joseph, James, Thomas, Maggie and Samuel. kkdexter@aol.com

Larry: In order to obtain meaningful data about your Hamilton lines from this DNA study you would need to locate some living cousin (willing to provide a sample for testing) of each of your lines who is a direct male descendant of that line. It would not matter if he was a 3rd, 4th, 5th, or more cousin of yours since the DNA changes very little over many generations. Consequently, any living direct male descendant of either of your Hamilton lines would essentially have the DNA markers characteristic of that Hamilton line. Gordon Hamilton >Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:07:06 -0600 >From: "Larry Coats" <larcoa@aspermont.esc14.net> >To: HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <001301c2c615$c20c6400$fa83010a@5te77> >Subject: Re: [HAM] Hamilton DNA Project >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hello Gordon, >I read about the Hamilton DNA project with great interest, but have a >question: >I have at least two Hamilton lines, one from my paternal Ggg grandmother, >Sarah Hamilton Coats, and another, several generations farther back, that >lies in the ancestry of my paternal Gg grandmother, Mary Ann Stewart Coats. >Given the fact that these Hamilton lines, in my case, are NOT direct male >line descent, is there any point to my getting involved in such testing? >Regards, >Larry D. Hamilton Coats

Also remember that the nickname for Martha can be Patsy, not too obvious, but true none the less. Bonnie Ladd Hamilton tibart@alum.wellesley.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: "G. Lane" <gblane@aristotle.net> To: <HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [HAM] Nancy = Ann > Even odder, POLLY is a diminuative or nickname for MARY - too me a while to > figure that one out! And it was commonly used in the 19th century. > > Gloria > > > At 10:42 AM 1/27/2003 -0600, you wrote: > >I have seen the NANCY name come through several times -- many people do not > >know that Nancy is a nickname for Ann, so you might find your gal listed > >that way. I think that a couple of generations ago, this was more > >commonly known. > >Nancy (I know cause I are one!) > > > > > >==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > >Visit http://www.hamiltongensociety.org/ > >New home page of the Hamilton National Genealogical Society, Inc. > >and > >Clan Hamilton Society > >web site: www.clanhamilton.org **NEW** > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > Great search engine > http://www.familytreemagazine.com/search/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

My husband's Grandmother was Lucy Catherine Hamilton, daughter of Charles Henry Hamilton, b 1836 IN & Rachel Adeline Drake, b 1839 KY. We are always looking for ancestors or descendants. About the DNA: My maiden name was BROWN, so you can not imagine the brick walls my brother & I have banged in to. Most of the DNA projects just started within the past year or two, but we decided we should get in on the ground floor & move a brick or two with a little luck. In Oct, 02 my brother joined the "Y-DNA", BROWN Surname DNA Project thru (FamilyTree.com) with a website administered by "questgenealogy.com". We were encouraged to post a descendants report starting with our oldest known Brown and this was made available to anyone on the www. Some people posted just names & very little information. We are among the ones who posted every thing we knew. Though he hasn't had an exact Y-DNA match, yet, we had a descendant of the "half brother" of our GrGrandfather find us. We didn't know the GrGrandfather's Mother's name or have any info about her. They knew and shared it all. Now we know her name & four more generations before her! I had my "mtDNA" (female dna from mother to daughter) test done in Dec by FamilyTree.com. Two weeks ago my results came in and I was notified of five exact matches! The Surname projects should consider adding a place to post "mtDNA" findings. (Right now we are kind of snubbed.) We are extremely happy that we have both gone to the next step to find our ancestors. I only wish more sites would do like our Brown Surname DNA Project does, they post the Y-DNA results so others who have had their DNA test done by other projects can check to see if there is a match. It makes no sense at all to be tested, not sign a release to share information, and not have anyone ever find you! There are some sites that the only way you can see any results is to be one of the testers or join their society ($). Rootsweb is doing such a great job of keeping information free that I'm hoping the will put up a DNA site for "Y-DNA" and "mtDNA". My brother & I would certainly post ours! Earlene Alexander Phoenix AZ

Gordon, Question: since there are several DNA labs, is there an interchange of information between them? Or, how would one DNA sample be known among others who were tested? Or, how would one compare his DBA results with results from other labs/ Thanx, Charlie Hamilton -----Original Message----- From: Gordon Hamilton [mailto:gah4@psu.edu] Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 5:43 AM To: HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [HAM] Hamilton DNA Project As announced on this list last October, the Hamilton National Genealogical Society has initiated a Hamilton surname DNA project for which I am the contact person and coordinator. At this point we have already collected several samples and sent them off to Family Tree DNA, the company that is doing the analyses for this study. Currently we are awaiting the initial results from the study. The purpose of the present note is to attempt to articulate why each of you should consider having a DNA analysis done for your Hamilton line and how the results could assist you in tracing your family history. This note is necessarily rather lengthy but I hope you will bear with me. First a little background will be given on the analysis that is being done in the Hamilton DNA project. In this study either 12 or 25 markers (the results will be more definitive with the 25 marker test) in the DNA of the Y-chromosome of each sample are examined. The Y-chromosome is unique in human DNA in that it is only found in males and is passed down from father to son virtually unchanged. The term 'virtually' is used because there is a small probability (less than 1 %) that a mutation will occur in the markers each generation. The net result then is that the markers being examined will have essentially the same (or very similar) values for you, your father, grandfather, great grandfather, etc., back many generations (10 to 50 or more). Obviously one cannot directly analyze such DNA back more than 2 or 3 generations because earlier ancestors have passed on. However, the power of the technique is that one does not have to analyze the DNA of ancestors; one can obtain meaningful genealogical information by comparing the results from your DNA analysis with the results from others. Consider, for example, that your direct male ancestor of say 10 generations ago had 2 sons, one of whom you are descended from, and the other who is the ancestor of another group of Hamiltons. The Y-chromosomal DNA from a living direct male descendant of the second son should be identical or very similar to your Y-chromosomal DNA. The corollary of course is that, if neither you nor the other Hamilton knew your lines back that far, finding your DNAs to be so closely matched would indicate that you have a common ancestor. That could open up new avenues for both of you to explore. Of course, if you find that your Y-chromosomal DNA does not match that of another Hamilton one could conclude that you are not closely related (at least through the Hamilton male line). It should be emphasized that the analyses for this study can only be done on samples collected from males since they are the only ones with the Y-chromosome. Furthermore, because the Y-chromosome is passed from father to son the study can only find relationships that occur through direct male lines. Since surnames usually follow direct male lines, our study has the potential to find many relationships among various Hamiltons. Those of you who are females with Hamilton ancestors can still participate in the study if you find a male relative (father, brother, uncle, male cousin, etc.) who is willing to supply a sample for analysis. By the way, sample collection is painless; it involves merely rubbing the inside of the cheek with a brush collector. One should point out that there are several situations where the DNA analysis might give an unexpected result. These are sometimes referred to euphemistically as 'non-parental' events. Some examples of such situations are: an unknown adoption in your line, an illegitimate birth or conception out of wedlock, some ancestor taking the surname of a stepfather, etc. Of course, if you have suspicions that one of these might have occurred in your line, obtaining a DNA analysis and comparing the results to those of presumed relatives where it is unlikely such an event happened could provide evidence whether such an event has occurred in your line. Many of us have been able to determine our Hamilton lines back to the 18th or 19th century (4 to 8 generations or so) but have been stymied in trying to trace our lines back further. Using DNA analyses one has the potential to be able to obtain information about earlier generations. For example, suppose you have a well documented Hamilton line back to about 1830 in Tennessee. You suspect that your earliest known Hamilton ancestor migrated to Tennessee from either Virginia or North Carolina but have not been able to make the connection. You know that there are several known Hamilton lines in Virginia and North Carolina so it seems a reasonable possibility. By having the DNA from one of your Tennessee Hamiltons analyzed and comparing the results to those obtained from the various Virginia and North Carolina Hamilton lines, one would obtain evidence which one is the most likely to be related to your line, and thus you would know where to focus further traditional genealogical research. One of the general questions the Hamilton DNA study will also be able to address is whether virtually all Hamiltons come from a common ancestor (say 500 to 1500 years ago) or whether there were several different initiating ancestors. It is believed that most Hamiltons originated in Scotland, although, prior to emigrating to the new world, many had previously migrated to England or been transplanted from Scotland to Ireland, especially in the 17th century. In early Scotland there is a very well documented Hamilton lineage starting with Walter Fitzgilbert in the late 13th century. This line led to many Dukes, Earls, Barons, etc. and for that reason is well documented. Undoubtedly many other Hamiltons, including many who ultimately emigrated to the new world, are unknowingly derived from this line. By comparing the Y-chromosomal DNA of such individuals with the DNA from well documented descendants of the ducal line one could conclude with a high degree of certainty whether they come from the same line or not. Personally I think that there are too many people with the Hamilton surname in the world for us all to be derived from the Walter Fitzgilbert line. Walter Fitzgilbert's main seat of power was in an area near Glasgow, Scotland and surnames did not come into common use in that area of Scotland until the 14th or 15th century. About that time the descendants of Walter Fitzgilbert came to be known as Hamiltons and the town (now a city) that grew up around their castle (or palace) was given the name of Hamilton. I suspect that when surnames came into common use some of the retainers or servants who lived in Hamilton and worked for the ducal Hamilton line just took the surname Hamilton. If that is the case then there will be several initiating ancestors who gave rise to the various current Hamilton lines. In any event, the DNA study will be able to clarify that point if various Hamilton lines have the same or similar DNA markers within their line but the markers are different from line to line. In order to answer the question whether there is mainly one, or there are many initiating Hamilton ancestors, one will need broad participation by many Hamilton lines. For this reason alone, I would like to encourage as many of you as possible to participate in this study. However, a potential added benefit from participation is that some more immediate questions may be resolved in your line (see earlier discussion) and that you may find totally unexpected relationships with other Hamilton lines. Some further information about the Hamilton DNA project can be found at the web site of the Hamilton National Genealogical Society at http://www.hamiltongensociety.org/dnaproject.htm To participate in the study you need to fill out an application form that can be downloaded from that site (or I can mail you a copy). The completed application along with a pedigree chart giving your earliest known Hamilton ancestor should then be sent to me at: Gordon Hamilton 806 McCormick Ave State College, PA 16801-6527 Telephone: 814-238-5695 Email: gah4@psu.edu For those of you who would like to obtain more information on DNA surname studies in general, the following are a few web sites that contain additional information. http://www.familytreedna.com/; this is the company we are using for the Hamilton surname study http://www.duerinck.com/project.html; a specific project with links to many others http://www.blairgenealogy.com/dna/; another specific project whose procedures we will follow closely in our study ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe write an email with just the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the text Hamilton-L-Request@RootsWeb.com for mail mode in plain text Hamilton-D-Request@RootsWeb.com for digest mode in plain text ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

In searching census for the James W. HAMILTON line in Meriwether County, GA, I ran across a landowner, Nancy Hamilton, 50., born in GA. Could there be a later tie here? -----Original Message----- From: NanSicotte@aol.com [mailto:NanSicotte@aol.com] Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 1:49 AM To: HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [HAM] John Hamilton In a message dated 1/25/03 12:54:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, mountaineers2@bellsouth.net writes: << Also wondering if there might be a connection with NANCY F. HAMILTON marrying JOHN J. WOODSIDE on Sept. 13, 1811. The bondsman was John Hamilton >> Sandy: Regarding the above marriage bond, do you have the location of these people? Was this in Chester Co. SC ? I am looking for a John Hamilton born 1770/75 in that area. We have exchanged messages on Chester Co. Hamiltons previously. The Woodside name is mentioned in the December 2002 issue of the Chester District Genealogical Society Bulletin. It is John T. Woodside of Greenville SC. However the time frame is in the early 1900s. Nancy Sicotte ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== Looking for a USA location? Try http://www-nmd.usgs.gov/www/gnis/gnisform.html ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Even odder, POLLY is a diminuative or nickname for MARY - too me a while to figure that one out! And it was commonly used in the 19th century. Gloria At 10:42 AM 1/27/2003 -0600, you wrote: >I have seen the NANCY name come through several times -- many people do not >know that Nancy is a nickname for Ann, so you might find your gal listed >that way. I think that a couple of generations ago, this was more >commonly known. >Nancy (I know cause I are one!) > > >==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== >Visit http://www.hamiltongensociety.org/ >New home page of the Hamilton National Genealogical Society, Inc. >and >Clan Hamilton Society >web site: www.clanhamilton.org **NEW** > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I have seen the NANCY name come through several times -- many people do not know that Nancy is a nickname for Ann, so you might find your gal listed that way. I think that a couple of generations ago, this was more commonly known. Nancy (I know cause I are one!)

Hello Gordon, I read about the Hamilton DNA project with great interest, but have a question: I have at least two Hamilton lines, one from my paternal Ggg grandmother, Sarah Hamilton Coats, and another, several generations farther back, that lies in the ancestry of my paternal Gg grandmother, Mary Ann Stewart Coats. Given the fact that these Hamilton lines, in my case, are NOT direct male line descent, is there any point to my getting involved in such testing? Regards, Larry D. Hamilton Coats ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Hamilton" <gah4@psu.edu> To: <HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 4:42 AM Subject: [HAM] Hamilton DNA Project > As announced on this list last October, the Hamilton National Genealogical > Society has initiated a Hamilton surname DNA project for which I am the > contact person and coordinator. At this point we have already collected > several samples and sent them off to Family Tree DNA, the company that is > doing the analyses for this study. Currently we are awaiting the initial > results from the study. > > The purpose of the present note is to attempt to articulate why each of you > should consider having a DNA analysis done for your Hamilton line and how > the results could assist you in tracing your family history. This note is > necessarily rather lengthy but I hope you will bear with me. First a little > background will be given on the analysis that is being done in the Hamilton > DNA project. > > In this study either 12 or 25 markers (the results will be more definitive > with the 25 marker test) in the DNA of the Y-chromosome of each sample are > examined. The Y-chromosome is unique in human DNA in that it is only found > in males and is passed down from father to son virtually unchanged. The > term 'virtually' is used because there is a small probability (less than 1 > %) that a mutation will occur in the markers each generation. The net > result then is that the markers being examined will have essentially the > same (or very similar) values for you, your father, grandfather, great > grandfather, etc., back many generations (10 to 50 or more). Obviously one > cannot directly analyze such DNA back more than 2 or 3 generations because > earlier ancestors have passed on. However, the power of the technique is > that one does not have to analyze the DNA of ancestors; one can obtain > meaningful genealogical information by comparing the results from your DNA > analysis with the results from others. Consider, for example, that your > direct male ancestor of say 10 generations ago had 2 sons, one of whom you > are descended from, and the other who is the ancestor of another group of > Hamiltons. The Y-chromosomal DNA from a living direct male descendant of > the second son should be identical or very similar to your Y-chromosomal > DNA. The corollary of course is that, if neither you nor the other Hamilton > knew your lines back that far, finding your DNAs to be so closely matched > would indicate that you have a common ancestor. That could open up new > avenues for both of you to explore. Of course, if you find that your > Y-chromosomal DNA does not match that of another Hamilton one could > conclude that you are not closely related (at least through the Hamilton > male line). > > It should be emphasized that the analyses for this study can only be done > on samples collected from males since they are the only ones with the > Y-chromosome. Furthermore, because the Y-chromosome is passed from father > to son the study can only find relationships that occur through direct male > lines. Since surnames usually follow direct male lines, our study has the > potential to find many relationships among various Hamiltons. Those of you > who are females with Hamilton ancestors can still participate in the study > if you find a male relative (father, brother, uncle, male cousin, etc.) who > is willing to supply a sample for analysis. By the way, sample collection > is painless; it involves merely rubbing the inside of the cheek with a > brush collector. > > One should point out that there are several situations where the DNA > analysis might give an unexpected result. These are sometimes referred to > euphemistically as 'non-parental' events. Some examples of such situations > are: an unknown adoption in your line, an illegitimate birth or conception > out of wedlock, some ancestor taking the surname of a stepfather, etc. Of > course, if you have suspicions that one of these might have occurred in > your line, obtaining a DNA analysis and comparing the results to those of > presumed relatives where it is unlikely such an event happened could > provide evidence whether such an event has occurred in your line. > > Many of us have been able to determine our Hamilton lines back to the 18th > or 19th century (4 to 8 generations or so) but have been stymied in trying > to trace our lines back further. Using DNA analyses one has the potential > to be able to obtain information about earlier generations. For example, > suppose you have a well documented Hamilton line back to about 1830 in > Tennessee. You suspect that your earliest known Hamilton ancestor migrated > to Tennessee from either Virginia or North Carolina but have not been able > to make the connection. You know that there are several known Hamilton > lines in Virginia and North Carolina so it seems a reasonable possibility. > By having the DNA from one of your Tennessee Hamiltons analyzed and > comparing the results to those obtained from the various Virginia and North > Carolina Hamilton lines, one would obtain evidence which one is the most > likely to be related to your line, and thus you would know where to focus > further traditional genealogical research. > > One of the general questions the Hamilton DNA study will also be able to > address is whether virtually all Hamiltons come from a common ancestor (say > 500 to 1500 years ago) or whether there were several different initiating > ancestors. It is believed that most Hamiltons originated in Scotland, > although, prior to emigrating to the new world, many had previously > migrated to England or been transplanted from Scotland to Ireland, > especially in the 17th century. In early Scotland there is a very well > documented Hamilton lineage starting with Walter Fitzgilbert in the late > 13th century. This line led to many Dukes, Earls, Barons, etc. and for that > reason is well documented. Undoubtedly many other Hamiltons, including many > who ultimately emigrated to the new world, are unknowingly derived from > this line. By comparing the Y-chromosomal DNA of such individuals with the > DNA from well documented descendants of the ducal line one could conclude > with a high degree of certainty whether they come from the same line or > not. Personally I think that there are too many people with the Hamilton > surname in the world for us all to be derived from the Walter Fitzgilbert > line. Walter Fitzgilbert's main seat of power was in an area near Glasgow, > Scotland and surnames did not come into common use in that area of Scotland > until the 14th or 15th century. About that time the descendants of Walter > Fitzgilbert came to be known as Hamiltons and the town (now a city) that > grew up around their castle (or palace) was given the name of Hamilton. I > suspect that when surnames came into common use some of the retainers or > servants who lived in Hamilton and worked for the ducal Hamilton line just > took the surname Hamilton. If that is the case then there will be several > initiating ancestors who gave rise to the various current Hamilton lines. > In any event, the DNA study will be able to clarify that point if various > Hamilton lines have the same or similar DNA markers within their line but > the markers are different from line to line. > > In order to answer the question whether there is mainly one, or there are > many initiating Hamilton ancestors, one will need broad participation by > many Hamilton lines. For this reason alone, I would like to encourage as > many of you as possible to participate in this study. However, a potential > added benefit from participation is that some more immediate questions may > be resolved in your line (see earlier discussion) and that you may find > totally unexpected relationships with other Hamilton lines. > > Some further information about the Hamilton DNA project can be found at the > web site of the Hamilton National Genealogical Society at > http://www.hamiltongensociety.org/dnaproject.htm > > To participate in the study you need to fill out an application form that > can be downloaded from that site (or I can mail you a copy). The completed > application along with a pedigree chart giving your earliest known Hamilton > ancestor should then be sent to me at: > > Gordon Hamilton > 806 McCormick Ave > State College, PA 16801-6527 > Telephone: 814-238-5695 > Email: gah4@psu.edu > > For those of you who would like to obtain more information on DNA surname > studies in general, the following are a few web sites that contain > additional information. > > http://www.familytreedna.com/; this is the company we are using for the > Hamilton surname study > http://www.duerinck.com/project.html; a specific project with links to many > others > http://www.blairgenealogy.com/dna/; another specific project whose > procedures we will follow closely in our study > > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe write an email with just the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the text > Hamilton-L-Request@RootsWeb.com for mail mode in plain text > Hamilton-D-Request@RootsWeb.com for digest mode in plain text > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

This is exactly the type of question that could be resolved by DNA analysis. The markers on a Y-chromosomal DNA sample from a direct male descendant of one line should be identical or very similar to the markers on a sample from a direct male descendant of the other line if the lines are connected. If the markers are not similar then one could conclude that the two lines are not connected at least through the male Hamilton line. Gordon Hamilton >X-Message: #2 >Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 09:04:25 EST >From: KesslerWV@aol.com >To: HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <160.1abcefb1.2b6544e9@aol.com> >Subject: [HAM] HAMILTON-Botetourt Co., VA >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > This is my first posting to this list. I am looking to make a connection of >these two HAMILTON families of Botetourt Co, VA. >First family- >William Hamilton b 1786 Ireland d 15 Jan 1853 Botetourt Co, VA m. 13 Apr 1819 >Botetourt Co, VA, Elizabeth Butcher b. 1800 Botetourt Co, VA d. 18 Feb 1883. >William and Elizabeth had the following children: >Sarah Hamilton 1822-1914 >James Hamilton 1829 >Elizabeth Ann Hamilton 1831-1896 m. 1st Christopher Kessler m. 2nd Samuel Todd >John William Hamilton 1833-1862 >David Shepard Hamilton ca 1834 >Eleanor Virginia Hamilton 1836-1915 m. James Robert Hamilton 1830-1905 > >Second family- >John Hamilton b. ca 1784 Ireland d. 1823 Botetourt Co., VA m. 27 Aug 1807 >Botetourt Co, VA, Catherine Siebert. Johna and Catherine had the following >children: >John William Hamilton ca 1808-ca 1862 m. 1st Margaret Kessler m. 2nd >Elizabeth Lantz >Susannah Hamilton ca 1809-1881 m. John Kessler ca 1804-1871 >William Hamilton 1810 >Samuel Hamilton 1812 >Mary Hamilton 1815 >If anyone is working either of these lines I would appreciate exchanging >information. Thank you. >Karen Kessler Cottrill >WV Kessler/Kesler Family Historian >I am making no claims that the above information is correct. This is being >given as personal information and not all has been documented.

In a message dated 1/25/03 12:54:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, mountaineers2@bellsouth.net writes: << Also wondering if there might be a connection with NANCY F. HAMILTON marrying JOHN J. WOODSIDE on Sept. 13, 1811. The bondsman was John Hamilton >> Sandy: Regarding the above marriage bond, do you have the location of these people? Was this in Chester Co. SC ? I am looking for a John Hamilton born 1770/75 in that area. We have exchanged messages on Chester Co. Hamiltons previously. The Woodside name is mentioned in the December 2002 issue of the Chester District Genealogical Society Bulletin. It is John T. Woodside of Greenville SC. However the time frame is in the early 1900s. Nancy Sicotte

Hi, Wilda, Yes, "my," William HAMILTON has been my "brick wall, " alright. He was born, 25Jul, 1783, in South Carolina, Pendleton District, we believe since he married someone born in Pickens Co., or what it is now, but he and his family moved to Claiborn County. Never have found any records of him in SC other than just that date, but any records are in Claiborn Co., from the time that he married Rachel HUNTER in1808, onward. Ann alwaysann@argontech.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wilda" <knight@magnolia-net.com> To: <HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [HAM] Hamilton's in VA <long message> > William born in Pendleton Dist. 1783. Our brick wall > Wilda > -----Original Message----- > From: Drhmmh@aol.com <Drhmmh@aol.com> > To: HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com <HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Saturday, January 25, 2003 7:04 AM > Subject: Re: [HAM] Hamilton's in VA <long message> > > > ><PRE>wilda--------when was your william born and where > > > > > >==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > >Great search engine > >http://www.familytreemagazine.com/search/ > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > Need some help getting started with irc (INTERNET RELAY CHAT)? > Try: http://home.flash.net/~gen4m/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Your names sound like some of mine will check my files and get back with you if they do match lakeary5@cs.com

I like the idea of a central DNA bank for the purpose of genealogy. My question is, who controls how the DNA is used. Can a government agency come in and take over the information and use it for their own purpose. The government is all ready setting up a DNA bank for it's military. And are we interested in blood line or name, I for one would prefer the blood line. Lets hear some discussion on this subject. J.P. Hart

While looking thru the census for Pickens County 1910, Central township I came across this HAMILTON family and thought I'd share it in case anyone was looking for them. ED. 142, image # 13 Frank Hamilton, age 42 from Rhode Island, both parents birthplaces marked unknown, superintendent of a cotton mill. Elisa E. wife, age 39, from Mass. parents both from England Carrie ? dau. age 13, Rhode Island, Rhode Isl., Mass Earl H. son age 10 South Carolina, Rhode Isl. Mass. Wildon L. dau. age 3 South Carolina, Rhode Isl., Mass. not sure of the spelling of the last daughter, could be Weldon.. Maybe this will help someone looking for them. Sandy Hamilton

This is my first posting to this list. I am looking to make a connection of these two HAMILTON families of Botetourt Co, VA. First family- William Hamilton b 1786 Ireland d 15 Jan 1853 Botetourt Co, VA m. 13 Apr 1819 Botetourt Co, VA, Elizabeth Butcher b. 1800 Botetourt Co, VA d. 18 Feb 1883. William and Elizabeth had the following children: Sarah Hamilton 1822-1914 James Hamilton 1829 Elizabeth Ann Hamilton 1831-1896 m. 1st Christopher Kessler m. 2nd Samuel Todd John William Hamilton 1833-1862 David Shepard Hamilton ca 1834 Eleanor Virginia Hamilton 1836-1915 m. James Robert Hamilton 1830-1905 Second family- John Hamilton b. ca 1784 Ireland d. 1823 Botetourt Co., VA m. 27 Aug 1807 Botetourt Co, VA, Catherine Siebert. Johna and Catherine had the following children: John William Hamilton ca 1808-ca 1862 m. 1st Margaret Kessler m. 2nd Elizabeth Lantz Susannah Hamilton ca 1809-1881 m. John Kessler ca 1804-1871 William Hamilton 1810 Samuel Hamilton 1812 Mary Hamilton 1815 If anyone is working either of these lines I would appreciate exchanging information. Thank you. Karen Kessler Cottrill WV Kessler/Kesler Family Historian I am making no claims that the above information is correct. This is being given as personal information and not all has been documented.

As announced on this list last October, the Hamilton National Genealogical Society has initiated a Hamilton surname DNA project for which I am the contact person and coordinator. At this point we have already collected several samples and sent them off to Family Tree DNA, the company that is doing the analyses for this study. Currently we are awaiting the initial results from the study. The purpose of the present note is to attempt to articulate why each of you should consider having a DNA analysis done for your Hamilton line and how the results could assist you in tracing your family history. This note is necessarily rather lengthy but I hope you will bear with me. First a little background will be given on the analysis that is being done in the Hamilton DNA project. In this study either 12 or 25 markers (the results will be more definitive with the 25 marker test) in the DNA of the Y-chromosome of each sample are examined. The Y-chromosome is unique in human DNA in that it is only found in males and is passed down from father to son virtually unchanged. The term 'virtually' is used because there is a small probability (less than 1 %) that a mutation will occur in the markers each generation. The net result then is that the markers being examined will have essentially the same (or very similar) values for you, your father, grandfather, great grandfather, etc., back many generations (10 to 50 or more). Obviously one cannot directly analyze such DNA back more than 2 or 3 generations because earlier ancestors have passed on. However, the power of the technique is that one does not have to analyze the DNA of ancestors; one can obtain meaningful genealogical information by comparing the results from your DNA analysis with the results from others. Consider, for example, that your direct male ancestor of say 10 generations ago had 2 sons, one of whom you are descended from, and the other who is the ancestor of another group of Hamiltons. The Y-chromosomal DNA from a living direct male descendant of the second son should be identical or very similar to your Y-chromosomal DNA. The corollary of course is that, if neither you nor the other Hamilton knew your lines back that far, finding your DNAs to be so closely matched would indicate that you have a common ancestor. That could open up new avenues for both of you to explore. Of course, if you find that your Y-chromosomal DNA does not match that of another Hamilton one could conclude that you are not closely related (at least through the Hamilton male line). It should be emphasized that the analyses for this study can only be done on samples collected from males since they are the only ones with the Y-chromosome. Furthermore, because the Y-chromosome is passed from father to son the study can only find relationships that occur through direct male lines. Since surnames usually follow direct male lines, our study has the potential to find many relationships among various Hamiltons. Those of you who are females with Hamilton ancestors can still participate in the study if you find a male relative (father, brother, uncle, male cousin, etc.) who is willing to supply a sample for analysis. By the way, sample collection is painless; it involves merely rubbing the inside of the cheek with a brush collector. One should point out that there are several situations where the DNA analysis might give an unexpected result. These are sometimes referred to euphemistically as 'non-parental' events. Some examples of such situations are: an unknown adoption in your line, an illegitimate birth or conception out of wedlock, some ancestor taking the surname of a stepfather, etc. Of course, if you have suspicions that one of these might have occurred in your line, obtaining a DNA analysis and comparing the results to those of presumed relatives where it is unlikely such an event happened could provide evidence whether such an event has occurred in your line. Many of us have been able to determine our Hamilton lines back to the 18th or 19th century (4 to 8 generations or so) but have been stymied in trying to trace our lines back further. Using DNA analyses one has the potential to be able to obtain information about earlier generations. For example, suppose you have a well documented Hamilton line back to about 1830 in Tennessee. You suspect that your earliest known Hamilton ancestor migrated to Tennessee from either Virginia or North Carolina but have not been able to make the connection. You know that there are several known Hamilton lines in Virginia and North Carolina so it seems a reasonable possibility. By having the DNA from one of your Tennessee Hamiltons analyzed and comparing the results to those obtained from the various Virginia and North Carolina Hamilton lines, one would obtain evidence which one is the most likely to be related to your line, and thus you would know where to focus further traditional genealogical research. One of the general questions the Hamilton DNA study will also be able to address is whether virtually all Hamiltons come from a common ancestor (say 500 to 1500 years ago) or whether there were several different initiating ancestors. It is believed that most Hamiltons originated in Scotland, although, prior to emigrating to the new world, many had previously migrated to England or been transplanted from Scotland to Ireland, especially in the 17th century. In early Scotland there is a very well documented Hamilton lineage starting with Walter Fitzgilbert in the late 13th century. This line led to many Dukes, Earls, Barons, etc. and for that reason is well documented. Undoubtedly many other Hamiltons, including many who ultimately emigrated to the new world, are unknowingly derived from this line. By comparing the Y-chromosomal DNA of such individuals with the DNA from well documented descendants of the ducal line one could conclude with a high degree of certainty whether they come from the same line or not. Personally I think that there are too many people with the Hamilton surname in the world for us all to be derived from the Walter Fitzgilbert line. Walter Fitzgilbert's main seat of power was in an area near Glasgow, Scotland and surnames did not come into common use in that area of Scotland until the 14th or 15th century. About that time the descendants of Walter Fitzgilbert came to be known as Hamiltons and the town (now a city) that grew up around their castle (or palace) was given the name of Hamilton. I suspect that when surnames came into common use some of the retainers or servants who lived in Hamilton and worked for the ducal Hamilton line just took the surname Hamilton. If that is the case then there will be several initiating ancestors who gave rise to the various current Hamilton lines. In any event, the DNA study will be able to clarify that point if various Hamilton lines have the same or similar DNA markers within their line but the markers are different from line to line. In order to answer the question whether there is mainly one, or there are many initiating Hamilton ancestors, one will need broad participation by many Hamilton lines. For this reason alone, I would like to encourage as many of you as possible to participate in this study. However, a potential added benefit from participation is that some more immediate questions may be resolved in your line (see earlier discussion) and that you may find totally unexpected relationships with other Hamilton lines. Some further information about the Hamilton DNA project can be found at the web site of the Hamilton National Genealogical Society at http://www.hamiltongensociety.org/dnaproject.htm To participate in the study you need to fill out an application form that can be downloaded from that site (or I can mail you a copy). The completed application along with a pedigree chart giving your earliest known Hamilton ancestor should then be sent to me at: Gordon Hamilton 806 McCormick Ave State College, PA 16801-6527 Telephone: 814-238-5695 Email: gah4@psu.edu For those of you who would like to obtain more information on DNA surname studies in general, the following are a few web sites that contain additional information. http://www.familytreedna.com/; this is the company we are using for the Hamilton surname study http://www.duerinck.com/project.html; a specific project with links to many others http://www.blairgenealogy.com/dna/; another specific project whose procedures we will follow closely in our study

thought I'd try again to rouse the Hamilton's of Kentucky.. if they're still there.. I hope I've given enough info that someone out there might recognize something.. I'm looking for the parents of ANTHONY L. HAMILTON, born (supposedly in SC) in 1789. He married lovely ELIZABETH WOODSIDE on Sept. 11, 1810. She is the daughter of Samuel Cunningham Woodside. Anthony and Elizabeth had at least 2 sons, Woods L. and Anthony S. I see a bit of a pattern with the middle initial "L". Does this ring a bell with anyone? Also wondering if there might be a connection with NANCY F. HAMILTON marrying JOHN J. WOODSIDE on Sept. 13, 1811. The bondsman was John Hamilton I see by the census for 1810 that there were several HAMILTON households. I find it curious that there were so many single HAMILTON households.. maybe they were brothers? cousins? Woods M. himself bet. 16-26 (mar'd Jeanney McCluskey--spelling) Patrick, had 2 sons under 15, 1 female under 15. Anthony L. -my ancestor himself bet. 16-26 David L. , himself bet. 16-26 (possibly a bro. to my Anthony?) William himself bet. 26-44 John himself bet. 16-26 By 1820 I see only my Anthony L., Charles, and John.. I am hoping that any of the others might still have descendants in Livingston co area or are also researching and we might share. Sandy Hamilton HAMILTON WOODSIDE CRAIG BROWN CALDWELL from SC>KY>IL>OK>WV and back to SC.. JONES DAVES MARTIN MILLS NELSON all in SC...

Looking for any information on J. J. Hamilton and Annie Bittner, the parents of Allie Elizabeth Hamilton, born in Newman, California in 1890. Allie is my maternal grandmother. Thanks, W. D. Allen Sr end

----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Chefalo" <pmchefalo@hotmail.com> To: "Donna Davis" <desk79@citlink.net> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [HAM] Re: HAMILTON-D Digest V03 #24 > Oh, my. Let's not get carried away here. Macs are NOT less vulnerable to > computer maladies than PCs. My Dad can't get regular email to work on his G4 > Mac. I get lots of blank forwarded messages and he has nothing but problems > with mailing lists. > > MSN 8 is an HTML based mail system, using the MSN Explorer, which in > previous versions was a customized version of Internet Explorer. While I am > no expert on MSN 8, problems with the underlying browser may be the root > cause. Internet Explorer can sometimes be repaired by going to the Control > Panel's Add/Remove Programs applet. Select Internet Explorer and click the > Change/Remove button. Another dialog will appear; select the Repair radio > button and click the OK button. A repair process will start, and then ask > you to restart the computer. After you reboot, the problem may be fixed. Or > not! A similar repair may be available for MSN itself; follow the procedure > for it. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna Davis" <desk79@citlink.net> > To: <HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 1:44 AM > Subject: Re: [HAM] Re: HAMILTON-D Digest V03 #24 > > > > I'm not having any problems, and I don't own a MAC either. Are you using > a > > virus filter? If so, you may be getting this message in place of a > > quarantined virus, or something like that. Anyway, I'm no computer whiz, > > just a suggestion and a note to tell you that all is working on this end. > > Donna > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Helen W Hamilton" <hwhamilton2@msn.com> > > To: <HAMILTON-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 8:22 PM > > Subject: [HAM] Re: HAMILTON-D Digest V03 #24 > > > > > > > Does anyone else have difficulty opening the messages on this list. > About > > > half the messages give an error message when I try to open them. I do > not > > > have this problem on any other digest list. > > > I am using MSN 8 hotmail. The error message that comes on the screen > just > > > says "An error has occurred", and the message will not display. > > > Helen > > > > > > > > > ==== HAMILTON Mailing List ==== > > > To unsubscribe write an email with just the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the text > > > Hamilton-L-Request@RootsWeb.com for mail mode in plain text > > > Hamilton-D-Request@RootsWeb.com for digest mode in plain text > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________ >