Hi. All, Mark & I were discussing the casualties of, what we in the Northern and Western States refer to as the Civil War. Mark, if you haven't yet met him on our list, is our Southern representative of the Hallman brothers who went from Pennsylvania to South Carolina soon after arriving in PA. About a year ago, I had the pleasure of taking a Mississippi River Steamboat Cruise on the Delta Queen from Memphis to New Orleans. The Delta Queen made several stops at ports along the way at small Mississippi and Louisiana towns. At each port we were taken on tours to see some beautiful old Antebellum homes. We met some gracious Southern ladies and gentlemen, who were our guides on these tours. One lady, in particular, an attractive woman, perhaps in her 50s, beautifully dressed, was so gracious and attentive to all our queries. I recall one statement she made in her soft, cultured voice at one stop. "This museum has many artifacts from The Great War--and if you don't know what THAT War was, you can leave the bus right now!" We all laughed--a bit uneasily. In my message to Mark, I asked him if all Southerners referred to this War as The War Between the States. He gave an interesting answer below. I wanted you all to read his answer, too, as it is a thoughtful reply to my query. Faith Hutchings <snip> It was not until post-war (TV) America that people in the South called it anything but The War Between the States. The term Civil War was its northern name. The semantic distinction lies in that a civil war is when two factions are wrangling for control of a single government, and the South was not trying to control the U.S. Government, but to leave it. For what its worth, the battle of First Bull Run is always called First Manassas, the battle of Pittsburg Landing is called Shiloh, et al. ....many southern Hallmans fought with the South, for example, A.J. Hallman was killed at Gettysburg. A Hallman was the key player in the Stone Mountain carving near Atlanta. I once made a list of 26 Hallmans from Alabama that I knew served, and every one was either killed, captured, taken prisoner and/or wounded. Most of the Hallmans who served were from South Carolina, and that state's soldiers had unusually high casualty rates, so I'm sure they fared no better.