Thanks. That's the Jacob I was looking for, but an unproven date from unknown source was August of same year. Guess it's conceivable for Mariah and Mary to be one, though she is "Mary" in the Shoemaker resources. And on the renunciation it appears that she signed herself, rather than left her mark. I guess time (and more information) will tell! Thanks for responding. Edie In a message dated 8/1/99 8:47:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, HALLMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << What I have comes from the Hallman Family Association in Skippack, Pennsylvania. The dob for Jacob is listed as 5 Sep 1799 and his wife is listed as Mary Shoemaker. I know of no other wife. Wij Sorry, forgot to add Jacob's death date - 28 Feb 1856.