Hi, All, Diane asked for the website to calculate birthdates from age at death on tombstones. The address is: http://enws347.eas.asu.edu:8000/~buckner/bdform.html This calculation gives you a 30day fixed month or a Real Month Length. I came up with a birthdate of 6 Nov. 1787 using the Real Month Length. Faith

I believe in the past, that Faith gave us a hotlink to a site that shows us how to figure birth dates from Tombstones. I can't find it now. I have found a tombstone that says died July 17, 1878 aged 90 years, 8 mos 11 days. Does anyone still have the hotlink address. Thank you. Diane

Hello to Hallmans, Below are a few Rootsweb addresses you will want to keep. The last address is for all Rootsweb Archives. This is a different address than we have been using. When you go into the archives for this address, you will be asked for a User Name and a Password. You can use any name and password you choose. It is for you to use for access to the archives. This has been done to discourage Spammers from using the archives to obtain e-mail addresses, etc. The reasoning is that Spammers won't want to leave a password. After you have registered your User Name and Password, later on you might want to go directly to our Hallman archives, use this address: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/HALLMAN-L/ This is case sensitive. It will also require your User Name and Password. If you have a question about this, write me at my address below. If I can't answer your question, myself, I'll ask someone who knows the answer! Faith Hutchings Your List Hostess faith@verdenet.com RootsWeb Main Page <http://www.rootsweb.com> RootsWeb HelpDesk: <http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/>. Surname Helper: <http://surhelp.rootsweb.com/srchall.html> Threaded List Archives: <http://archiver.rootsweb.com/>

I understand from my Listowner's List that the Happy99.exe is still making the rounds. Most of you are already aware of this little worm, but for our newest subscribers, I am posting this warning again. If you ever receive an e-mail from someone, with an additional e-mail at the same time from the same person as an attachment entitled, "Happy99.exe", DO NOT open this attachment. It is a worm and can give you problems. If you do open it, it will attach itself to every message you send out, too. All without you knowing it. By the way, since rootsweb does not accept attachments you don't have to worry about receiving it on OUR List messages. Faith Hutchings Your List Hostess faith@verdenet.com

Edie posted some Hallman's that she found in a Shoemaker archive. Leah S. Bechtel, b. June 23, 1823, d. Apr 1, 1896 m. Mar 4, 1845 to Christian Hallman b. Oct. 25, 1822, d. Dec 9, 1902, etc. Edie asked how these fit into Anthony's line. The following information is taken from Joan Hallman's book "Hallman Family History in Canada." Christian Hallman was the 12th child (6th son) of Benjamin Hallman (2), b. Sep. 18, 1783, Montgomery Co., PA, d. Sep 10, 1869, m. Sep 2, 1802 to Elizabeth Detweiler. Benjamin and Elizabeth Hallman moved to Ontario, Canada, in 1825. They had 14 children. Christian was their last child born in Pennsylvania. Christian Hallman and Leah S. Bechtel had 11 children. 1. Matilda Hallman + Peter Weber 2. John B. Hallman + Wilhelmena Hartel 3. Isaiah Holman (note spelling) + Nancy Jane Hilborn 4. Noah B. Hallman + Elizabeth Klemmer 5. Abigal Hallman - died in infancy 6. Benjamin Hallman + Emma Wichman (Witmer) 7. George Hallman + Charlotte Disney (Geo. & Benj. were twins) 8. Ezra B. Hallman + Magdalena Kuehner 9. Jesse B. Hallman + Martha N. Taylor 10. Eva Hallman + George Schlee 11. Jacob Allan Hallman + Minnie Myers (Note change here from the usual Hallman tradition of giving their sons' their mothers' maiden names as middle names.) If anyone would like the death/birth dates, etc. for Christian's family, write to me at my address below. Thanks, Faith faith@verdenet.com

Hi, all, I saw this on a list & thought it was interesting. It doesn't have much to do with genealogy, but I think you will get a laugh out of it. Faith . Life in the 1500's Most people got married in June because they took their yearly bath in May and were still smelling pretty good by June. However, they were starting to smell, so brides carried a bouquet of flowers to hide the b.o. Baths equalled a big tub filled with hot water. The man of the house had the privilege of the nice clean water, then all the other sons and men, then the women and finally the children. Last of all the babies. By then the water was so dirty you could actually lose someone in it. Hence the saying, "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water". Houses had thatched roofs. Thick straw, piled high, with no wood underneath. It was the only place for animals to get warm, so all the pets - dogs, cats and other small animals, mice, rats, bugs lived in the roof. When it rained it became slippery and sometimes the animals would slip and fall off the roof. Hence the saying, "It's raining cats and dogs." There was nothing to stop things from falling into the house. This posed a real problem in the bedroom where bugs and other droppings could really mess up your nice clean bed. So, they found if they made beds with big posts and hung a sheet over the top, it addressed that problem. Hence those beautiful big 4 poster beds with canopies. I wonder if this is where we get the saying, "Good night and don't let the bed bugs bite." The floor was dirt. Only the wealthy had something other than dirt, hence the saying "dirt poor." The wealthy had slate floors which would get slippery in the winter when wet. So they spread thresh on the floor to help keep their footing. As the winter wore on they kept adding more thresh until when you opened the door it would all start slipping outside. A piece of wood was placed at the entry way, hence a "thresh hold". They cooked in the kitchen in a big kettle that always hung over the fire. Every day they lit the fire and added things to the pot. They mostly ate vegetables and didn't get much meat. They would eat the stew for dinner leaving leftovers in the pot to get cold overnight and then start over the next day. Sometimes the stew had food in it that had been in there for a month. Hence the rhyme, "Peas porridge hot, peas porridge cold, peas porridge in the pot nine days old." Sometimes they could obtain pork and would feel really special when that happened. When company came over, they would bring out some bacon and hang it to show it off. It was a sign of wealth and that a man could "bring home the bacon." They would cut off a little to share with guests and would all sit around and "chew the fat." Those with money had plates made of pewter. Food with a high acid content caused some of the lead to leach onto the food. This happened most often with tomatoes, so they stopped eating tomatoes... for 400 years. Most people didn't have pewter plates, but had trenchers - a piece of wood with the middle scooped out like a bowl. Trenchers were never washed and a lot of times worms got into the wood. After eating off wormy trenchers, they would get "trench mouth." Bread was divided according to status. Workers got the burnt bottom of the loaf, the family got the middle, and guests got the top, or the "upper crust". Lead cups were used to drink ale or whiskey. The combination would sometimes knock them out for a couple of days. Someone walking along the road would take them for dead and prepare them for burial. They were laid out on the kitchen table for a couple of days and the family would gather around and eat and drink and wait and see if they would wake up. Hence the custom of holding a "wake". England is old and small, and they started running out of places to bury people. So, they would dig up coffins and would take their bones to a house and re-use the grave. In reopening these coffins, one out of 25 coffins were found to have scratch marks on the inside and they realized they had been burying people alive. So they thought they would tie a string on their wrist and lead it through the coffin and up through the ground and tie it to a bell. Someone would have to sit out in the graveyard all night to listen for the bell. Hence on the "graveyard shift" they would know that someone was "saved by the bell" or he was a "Dead Ringer"

Just an addition to Keith Sherk's Lineage: According to Joan Hallman's book "Hallman Family History in Canada", John Hallman b. Aug. 1, 1812, m. Sallie Bergey in 1838. Sallie, daug. of Joseph and Elizabeth (Wagner) Bergey was born May 27, 1821 in Pennsylvania, died May 6, 1886 ae 65 yrs. in Waterloo County, Ontario. The Bergey family came to Waterloo County in 1822 (Mannheim). Faith Hutchings faith@verdenet.com

Hello I just recently joined the Hallman mailing list my name is Keith Sherk. This is my lineage from Benjamin Hallman & Elizabeth Detweiler 1 John Hallman b. Aug 1 1812 d. Mar 13 1888 M. Sallie Bergey b.? d.? 2. Leah B. Hallman b. Oct 13 1844 d. Dec 4 1895 married Mar 4 1864 Reuben Sherk b. Feb 4 1840 d. Apr 9 1922 3. John H. Sherk b. May 9 1870 d. Dec 25 1950 married Mar 19 1901 Margaret Spill b. Mar 11 1876 d. Jun 7 1942 4. Guy H. Sherk b. Apr 24 1902 d. May 8 1980 Married Apr 22 1924 Mae McGirr b. Jun 19 1904 d. Aug 23 1959 5. Kenneth J. Sherk b. Oct 12 1926 d. Sep 6 1997 Married Sep 10 1948 Dorothy M. Isham b. Dec 25 1929 Living. 6 Keith G Sherk b. May 7 1959 Reuben Sherk & Leah Hallman had a total of 15 children. Feel free to write if any one is interested in any further information at sherk@voyager.net Keith Sherk

Hi, This message is for the Ontario members of our list. Ancestry's Free Data base of the day is one you may want to check out. (See below) Faith DATABASE OF THE DAY (Free for 10 Days!) <<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><< ================================================== New Hamburg, Ontario, Riverside Cemetery Index Located in the township of Wilmot in Waterloo County, New Hamburg was founded by Amish and Old Order Mennonites in 1837. Since its creation many thousands of people have lived and died in the area. This database is a collection of records from the Riverside Cemetery and reveals information on over 2300 persons who died and were interred between 1840 and 1998. In addition to providing the name of deceased, it gives dates of birth and death. For many wives, maiden names are also provided, making this a useful addition to the Ancestry.com online library. Bibliography: Anonymous. "Riverside Cemetery, New Hamburg, Wilmot Township, Waterloo County, Ontario." [database on-line] Orem, UT: Ancestry, Inc., 1999. To search this database, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/ancestry/search/3741.htm <<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<

My family book shows Isaiah Hallman,born September 10, 1850, as using the name Holman. My own grandfather was Isaiah B. Hallman, born in 1868. Carol E.

I found some Hallman's in an old post to Shoemaker archive--a Leah S. Bechtel b: June 23, 1823 d: April 1, 1896 +Christian Hallman b: October 25, 1822 m: March 4, 1845 d: December 9, 1902. Children: Matilda Hallman b: March 25, 1846 d: January 24, 1912+Peter Weber b: September 12, 845 m: November 24, 1867d: March 24, 1912; John Hallman b: June 11, 1848; Isaiah Hallman b: September 10, 1850; Abigail Hallman b: September 11, 1854; Noah Hallman b: August 18, 1852; Benjamin Hallman b: August 9, 1856; George Hallman b: August 9, 1856; Ezra Hallman b: February 10, 1859; Jesse Hallman b: January 23, 1861; Eva Hallman b: August 18, 1863; Jacob Hallman b: September 4, 1867. Does anyone know--do they fit in Anthony's line? Edie

Hello, All, Below is a website of the WPA Federal Writers' Project. During the Great Depression, writers, like everyone else, were often jobless. The WPA project paid some of these writers to go around the country, writing about different subjects the WPA specified. This website has stories, folklore, etc. told by "old-timers" to these writers who then committed the tales to paper. The stories are told by people living in many states across the U.S., unfortunately, Pennsylvania is not one of them. In genealogy, the history of other people, not even related to us, can give us a perspective of the type of lives our ancestors lived during those same time periods. You may even find a story related by your ancestor among these tales. The website: http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/wpaintro/wpahome.html I don't usually post any messages about books, etc. for sale, but I did copy and paste the CD listed on this message as it deals directly with four German books on one CD. Might be a good buy for those of you who would want more than one of these books. GERMAN GENEALOGY RESEARCH GUIDE (CD #7199; $29.99) is a Family Archive CD which combines four outstanding books designed specifically for Americans who are researching their German ancestry. All four books were published originally by Genealogical Publishing Co. http://www.genealogybookshop.com/ They are: o IN SEARCH OF YOUR GERMAN ROOTS, by Angus Baxter o ADDRESS BOOK FOR GERMANIC GENEALOGY, by Ernest Thode o GERMAN-ENGLISH GENEALOGICAL DICTIONARY, by Ernest Thode o GERMAN-AMERICAN NAMES, by George F. Jones. I haven't researched any of these books. I do have another book written by Angus Baxter. "In Search of Your Canadian Roots." He is recommended by professional genealogists. His books are simply "How-to" books for researching your genealogy. Good hunting! Faith Hutchings Your List Hostess faith@verdenet.com

Kathy, we do have another in our list who spells his name Hallmann, too. His ancestor, from Kreis Lauenberg, Hinter-Pommern, Germany, arrived in the U.S. in 1886 and settled in Chicago. He came to America earlier than your ancestor. John, are you reading this? Can you connect with Kathy's Hallmann family? Faith

Even if we don't get another query, Faith's study list of good websites makes it all worth while. We Hallman descendants will be the best informed genealogist on the web. Diane -----Original Message----- From: Faith Hutchings <faith@verdenet.com> To: HALLMAN-L@rootsweb.com <HALLMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 7:17 PM Subject: BLM for Eastern States >Hi, All, > >Another good website gleaned from a list I belong to. > >Faith > >For those who haven't yet seen it: this web site > >http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ > >allows you to search Federal land title records for the Eastern Public >Land States, issued between 1820 and 1908. Not only can you get names, >places, and dates, but you can also view and print images of the >original land certificates > >

Lots of articles you might want to read in this newsletter from the United States Internet Genealogical Society. http://www.usigs.org/signal/signal.htm Have fun! Faith

<My grandfather was Max Hermann Hallmann who came to the U.S <aboard the <Leviathan around 1911-13(?) He lived for the most part in Jersey City, <N.J. <He may have had a brother who came here at an earlier date. His <father's <name was Friedrich Gustave Hallmann, a carpenter, who died in <Hamburg in <1932 His mother was Friederike Brugmann, who died in 1940 in <Hamburg. He <had two sisters, one named, Paula, who I believe, passed away in the <50's <in Germany. After the war, my grandfather became estranged from his <family <for unknown reasons so I have been able to find out very much. I think <I <have a second cousin still living at the same residence in Hamburg with <the <name Hurtig but I calculate her age to be 84. I wrote to her at <Christmas <but never received a response. <I gather from the postings I've seen, that the Hallman page is geared <more <for the descendents of Anthony Hallman? Kathy has been on the list for some while but hasn't posted her family line before. She sent it to me with permission to post it to our list. Here's hoping someone out there can connect with Kathy. (See her family line below.) Kathy asked if this list was primarily for Anthony Hallman's descendants. I told it it was in the beginning but I am hopeful that we can attract other Hallman/Hallmann/Heilman friends and relatives who will be able to tell us more about their histories, too. Who knows, we may all be related back to Germany! If anyone has more information on the German connnections, please post it to the list. Also, some of you who are not Anthony's descendants, tell us your history, as far as you know it. We've just about *worn out* Anthony's history. We would like to hear your history, now. Thanks, Faith faith@verdenet.com

Hi, all Hallmans, The consensus seems to be to continue the list as it stands. So, we hope you newbies will feel free to post your family lines and queries even if you don't see much activity on our list. I'm sure that if you post a query and someone on our list has information that will help you, that person will reply to the list for you. I will continue to post any websites that may be helpful to our Hallmans, and I hope the rest of you will do the same. Thanks so much for your input! You are really a great bunch even if you don't "talk much." <grin> Faith Your List Hostess faith@verdenet.com

Bergey family: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/7764/bergey.html

Ditto, Edie, I love having the list but don't find it necessary to activate. Actually, I think we have a fair amount of activity and would like to see it remain. Perhaps we could concentrate on "sidelines" to the Hallmans from time to time. Faith is doing a great job. Cheers, Elise

Hi, All, Another good website gleaned from a list I belong to. Faith For those who haven't yet seen it: this web site http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ allows you to search Federal land title records for the Eastern Public Land States, issued between 1820 and 1908. Not only can you get names, places, and dates, but you can also view and print images of the original land certificates