Hello, Hallmans, Gary had posted this to another list. He gave me permission to forward it to my list. I don't want to get into any discussion about whether the North or the South carried the burden of fault in the Civil War (or the War Between the States) but I feel it was the saddest war in our history. I visited Gettysburg some years ago, and while walking through the grounds, I suddenly felt an overwhelming sadness! It was as though the ghosts of those buried there were crying out to me. Hard to explain! I have never felt quite as deep a sadness in any other military cemetary before, or since. I would like you to notice in the figures Gary presented below that more soldiers died in the Civil War, North and South, than in WWII. Faith, with tears in my eyes for all those who died in any wars. Some figures to think about for Memorial Day: Approximate number of deaths of U.S. servicemen during wars: Revolutionary War: 4435 (battle deaths only) War of 1812: 2260 (battle deaths only) Mexican War: 1733 (battle deaths only) Civil War Union: 364,511 (far from complete) Civil War Confederate: 133,821 + 26,000-31,000 in Union prisons (far from complete) Spanish American War: 2446 World War I: 116,516 World War II: 405,399 Korean War: 54,246 War in Southeast Asia: 58,167 The last dependent of a Revolutionary War veteran died in 1911. The last dependent of a War of 1812 veteran died in 1946. The last dependent of a Mexican War veteran died in 1962. The last Civil War veteran died in the 1950s. There are still widows and children of Civil War and Indian War veterans receiving VA benefits. In 1997, about 1131 children and widows of Spanish-American War veterans were receiving VA benefits. The youngest World War I veterans are now in their late 90s. In a decade or so they will probably have all joined their comrades. The youngest World War II veterans are in their early 70s. Over 16 million Americans served in World War II, they are now dying at the rate of about a thousand per day. The youngest Korean War veterans are near 65. The youngest veterans of the War in Southeast Asia are in their 40s. There are around 25 million living U.S. veterans. About 80% of them served during times of armed hostilities.

I have a friend from the south that told me she was not taught about the Civil War in school but about the "War of Northern Aggression". Even though she has lived in Ohio most of her adult life, she tells me with a smile that the South will rise again. Diane

I certainly do understand the Southerner's feelings about the "Great War"; however, my late husband (who was born in Georgia from an old southern family and still had a bit of a southern drawl at times) always said "To the winnah goes the privilege of naming the war". So it is "Civil War"--in fact that's what the Library of Congress calls it, too. My Gx3 Grandfather, Balsor Sponaugle, had at least 13 grandsons who fought in that war--10 for the Confederacy, 3 for the Union; my G-Grandfather Spunaugle was one of the Union guys. Three of the Rebs were killed. Terrible thing for that family, of course. Elaine Jeter (I'm a librarian, ret. but still volunteer at a ref. desk 4 hrs/week). <ejeter@concentric.net> Voice=619.485.0694; Fax=619.485.7908

My name is Elaine Jeter, and I am one of the Hallman Query Site success stories. I had spent a number of months trying to find a family for my mother's grandmother, who was named Hannah Hallman, and I was beginning to think either she was an orphan or had been given a false ID by the FBI's witness protection service. Fortunately I had her birth/death dates, so at least 8 or 10 other Hannah Hallmans could be discarded--but I kept their info "just in case". The owner of the family Bible for my Hannah's family found my query on this site; after digesting their precious information, I placed some Hallman family groups on the site, hoping to help others. Anyhow, here's from the bottom up. I have full lists of siblings for the entire ancestor clan (Yippee!!!) and am always willing to share information. Me (Elaine) b.1934 --> Mary Elizabeth Barlow b.1908 (still living) --> George Ralston Barlow 1871-1933 --> John Franklin Barlow 1849-1910 --> Hannah Hallman (m.Mahlon Barlow) 1828-1903 --> Abraham Hallman (m.Hannah Koons) 1803-1853 --> Abraham Hallman (m. Anna Maria Berson) 1767-1803 --> Anthony (Antonius) Hallman 1671-1759 <immigrant>. All of these Hallmans remained in Montgomery County, Pennsylvania (or Philadelphia County before Montg. split off)... John Franklin Barlow moved to Black Hawk County, Iowa, about 1878; George Ralston Barlow left Black Hawk County for Des Moines (Polk County IA) about 1900<?>; and when she married, Mary Elizabeth Barlow Spunaugle moved to Clarinda, Page County, Iowa, where I grew up; Mother now lives in Tucson, AZ, an extremely alert 91-year-old who enjoys my reports from prowling around in genealogy. As an adult, I have lived in Kansas and Southern California. There has not only been help, but also sympathy when needed from this site. Even if you're not related to the Hallmans you are guaranteed to enjoy it. :-) Needless to say, I am very happy to REALLY be a Hallman cousin. Elaine Jeter <ejeter@concentric.net> Voice=619.485.0694; Fax=619.485.7908

Hello, All! I haven't contributed much at all to this list other than reading all the postings that come through. I, myself, am not a "HALLMAN". I guess you might say I am the collector of bones in the family (my children, my niece and nephew, all their spouses and even for a few friends). I own a craft shoppe and we raise commercial rabbits. My only real hobby nowadays, is the computer I guess. We live in Southeast Texas, far enough away from towns that unless you have a vehicle handy, you just don't go anywhere. I spent about 30 years of my life working as Secretary/office manager, so the keyboard of my puter was the next logical step. The "HALLMAN" that I am trying to find info on start with Florence HALLMAN b. 8 Feb 1912 Reading, PA m. 4 Jan 1033 to Frank Clark LaPearl. Florence's parents were Edwin HALLMAN and Mary MOSER. I have no info on them at all. That's about it for me. Lucy McGee Woodville, Texas

Hi. All, Mark & I were discussing the casualties of, what we in the Northern and Western States refer to as the Civil War. Mark, if you haven't yet met him on our list, is our Southern representative of the Hallman brothers who went from Pennsylvania to South Carolina soon after arriving in PA. About a year ago, I had the pleasure of taking a Mississippi River Steamboat Cruise on the Delta Queen from Memphis to New Orleans. The Delta Queen made several stops at ports along the way at small Mississippi and Louisiana towns. At each port we were taken on tours to see some beautiful old Antebellum homes. We met some gracious Southern ladies and gentlemen, who were our guides on these tours. One lady, in particular, an attractive woman, perhaps in her 50s, beautifully dressed, was so gracious and attentive to all our queries. I recall one statement she made in her soft, cultured voice at one stop. "This museum has many artifacts from The Great War--and if you don't know what THAT War was, you can leave the bus right now!" We all laughed--a bit uneasily. In my message to Mark, I asked him if all Southerners referred to this War as The War Between the States. He gave an interesting answer below. I wanted you all to read his answer, too, as it is a thoughtful reply to my query. Faith Hutchings <snip> It was not until post-war (TV) America that people in the South called it anything but The War Between the States. The term Civil War was its northern name. The semantic distinction lies in that a civil war is when two factions are wrangling for control of a single government, and the South was not trying to control the U.S. Government, but to leave it. For what its worth, the battle of First Bull Run is always called First Manassas, the battle of Pittsburg Landing is called Shiloh, et al. ....many southern Hallmans fought with the South, for example, A.J. Hallman was killed at Gettysburg. A Hallman was the key player in the Stone Mountain carving near Atlanta. I once made a list of 26 Hallmans from Alabama that I knew served, and every one was either killed, captured, taken prisoner and/or wounded. Most of the Hallmans who served were from South Carolina, and that state's soldiers had unusually high casualty rates, so I'm sure they fared no better.

Hello, All! It's been 6 months since we had our Get Acquainted Week. I'd like to do another one. If you "Oldies" want to post the same thing you used before, that's ok. I'm sure our "Newbies" will be interested in whatever you post. They will undoubtably be glad to see that there are others beside me on this list. <gr> I'll start this, and I hope that the rest of you (including all new ones who have joined us in the past 6 months) will post a message about yourselves. As most of you already know, I am your Listowner (I prefer to use Hostess). I am retired from Bookkeeper/Secretarial jobs.(You don't see the word "bookkeeper" much anymore. That's what they used to call a person who posted accounting by hand, remember?) I lived in Bremerton, WA for some 14 years until I retired in 1993 and moved back to Arizona. I have actually lived in a number of states. Born in Michigan, way back in 1929, I left that State soon after highschool graduation. After that I lived for periods of time in Florida, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania, Arizona, California and in Washington. Since, I have lived over one-half my life in the western states, I consider myself a Westerner! I moved from the Phoenix area up here to the Verde Valley in North Central Arizona a few years ago. I love this part of Arizona and don't plan to move from here unless it becomes absolutely necessary! We have the best of Arizona climates, not too cold, not too hot. I am descended from Anthony Hallman, who came to America from Germany through his son, Henry, grandson, Benjamin (1), gr.grandson, Benjamin (2). (This Benjamin moved from Montgomery Co., PA to Ontario, Canada, in 1825.) My ancestor, Wendell Hallman, was his youngest son, and was born in Ontario. Wendell's son, Rev. Henry S. Hallman, was my grandfather. His daughter, and my mother, Grace Hallman, married my father, and moved to his home in Michigan where we (my siblings and I) were all born. That's about it for me. By the way, if any of you plan to visit Arizona, I hope you will get in touch with me. I am located about half way between Phoenix and the Grand Canyon. I would be delighted to be your tourist guide for this part of the State. Faith Hutchings faith@verdenet.com

Hello, All! It's been 6 months since we had our Get Acquainted Week(s). I'd like to do another one. If you "Oldies" want to post the same thing you used before, that's ok. I'm sure our "Newbies" will be interested in whatever you post. They will undoubtably be glad to see that there are others beside me on this list. <gr> I'll start this, and I hope that the rest of you (including all new ones who have joined us in the past 6 months) will post a message about yourselves. As most of you already know, I am your Listowner (I prefer to use Hostess). I am retired from Bookkeeper/Secretarial jobs.(You don't see the word "bookkeeper" much anymore. That's what they used to call a person who posted accounting by hand, remember?) I lived in Bremerton, WA for some 14 years until I retired in 1993 and moved back to Arizona. I have actually lived in a number of states. Born in Michigan, way back in 1929, I left that State soon after highschool graduation. After that I lived for periods of time in Florida, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania, Arizona, California and in Washington. Since, I have lived over one-half my life in the western states, I consider myself a Westerner! I moved from the Phoenix area up here to the Verde Valley in North Central Arizona a few years ago. I love this part of Arizona and don't plan to move from here unless it becomes absolutely necessary! We have the best of Arizona climates, not too cold, not too hot. I am descended from Anthony Hallman, who came to America from Germany through his son, Henry, grandson, Benjamin (1), gr.grandson, Benjamin (2). (This Benjamin moved from Montgomery Co., PA to Ontario, Canada, in 1825.) My ancestor, Wendell Hallman, was his youngest son, and was born in Ontario. Wendell's son, Rev. Henry S. Hallman, was my grandfather. His daughter, and my mother, Grace Hallman, married my father, and moved to his home in Michigan where we (my siblings and I) were all born. That's about it for me. By the way, if any of you plan to visit Arizona, I hope you will get in touch with me. I am located about half way between Phoenix and the Grand Canyon. I would be delighted to be your tourist guide for this part of the State. Faith Hutchings faith@verdenet.com

Hello, all, For those who go through cemeteries photographing tombstones, the message below is pertinent. Since, this message was posted, I read a message from another person who tried the water bottle method of squirting the lettering to help bring out the lettering. She said it worked fine. Faith In a message dated 99-05-24 17:51:34 EDT, adhardie@sprynet.com writes: << I got this site off the NYBrooklyn Mail list, it is a place that explains > how to do tombstone rubbing. If you use the 'shaving cream' method, don't > use Menthol type creams. It will take the paint off a car, what will it do > to a tombstone? >> Hello kind folks of NYFingerLakes-L, I appreciate the admonishment to not use menthol shaving cream to enhance the faded lettering of old gravestones, but feel compelled to add a further warning. Shaving cream, of any kind, should NOT be used on old gravestones. The substance contains an acid that reacts to marble, sandstone and limestone and actually does more damage to the stone in the long run. Also, any organic material such as baby powder or cornstarch promotes the growth of lichen, etc. inside the inscription. So many times I have seen leftover shaving cream adhering to old stones because it was thought the rain would rinse it away. It does not, and when left can cause staining on the stone surface. A better method to read old inscriptions is to simply wet the stone. It sounds too easy, but it's amazing how well it works. Also, photographing the stone with a digital camera and manipulating the negative image makes the lettering stand out like magic. Sometimes using a mirror to reflect the light to create a shadow on the lettering makes illegible lettering stand out. It takes patience, but the stone is completely unharmed. Many stones have remained intact for you to enjoy, please do your part to protect them for many more generations to come. Katie Karrick Editor & Publisher Tomb With A View (A Monumental Experience) http://members.aol.com/TombView/twav.html tombview@aol.com

Hello, Hallmans, The website for Montgomery Cemetery listed below doesn't have much information on it yet, except graves for military personnel. I found two Hallmans, one in the Civil War, Lewis Hallman b. 9/15/1837, d. 11/24/1871 and Magor Eric B. Hallmann in WWII, b. 1920 d. 1955. You might want to check this website for other ancestors, though. Faith <snip> Just wanted to make everyone aware of the website for Montgomery Cemetery in Norristown, PA. This cemetery was the first of its kind in Montgomery County and is the final resting place of 5 military generals. We are now in the process of restoration at Montgomery. Please stop in at the website and be sure to sign the guestbook! www.angelfire.com/pa/montgocem Amy

Hello, all, The information below can help us know how to locate and order books from the Inter-library loan through your local library. Do a hard copy of it for your own use. Faith Hutchings Your List Hostess faith@verdenet.com ROOTS-L Digest Volume 99 : Issue 372 - ----------------------------

GREAT! #7 --->Genealogy Research Easy Access Tip! This information is excerpted from "How to Do Research on the Internet" http://www.researchonline.net/res1.htm Permission is explicitly granted to repost this message to other mailing lists. More stuff you won't find using the search engines. One of the most difficult steps in the research process is building an effective bibliography. For those who have done a Masters or Doctrinal paper, you know that the bibliography is carefully scrutinized for completeness and accuracy. The reasons for this are twofold: 1. To assure that your research has carefully considered all relevant other works. 2. To aid other researchers in verifying your work and extending it. While many approach genealogy research from a purely hobbyist viewpoint, the need for careful consideration of other's research and documentation of your findings is still important - thus the need to create a bibliography, then research each source, synthesize and document your findings. This GREAT tip deals with using on-line library catalogs to create a bibliography for research. Many library catalogs are now available via WWW access using a protocol called Z39.50 and of course, the biggest library of them all is the Library of Congress, so we will use it for this example. I have found, however, that many of the items found in local or regional libraries - particularly local and family histories - are not found or are classified differently in the LOC, so once I do a high level bibliography at the LOC, I generally take the findings to local libraries to refine and extend my bibliography. The search engine for the LOC is located at: http://lcweb.loc.gov/catalog/ and for this example, we want to use the advanced search techniques: The URL for the direct access to the advanced search has a hellacious length http://lcweb.loc.gov/cgi-bin/zgate?ACTION=INIT&FORM_HOST_PORT=/prod/www/data /z 3950/loc.html,ibm2.loc.gov,2210&CI=101933 so it's easier to go to the catalog page first, then click on advanced search. You can then bookmark this page for easier access next time you need it. A search for HAMMOND FAMILY in the subject category yields 28 results. As a first step, copy the entire page(s) of bibliographic citations to your word processor so you can annotate them as you continue your research. Pay particular attention to the LC call numbers and also click on "More of this record" and note the subject categories. In addition to the CS71 call numbers which are family histories, there is one listed as PR6011 which looks interesting so I return to the search form and submit a query for that as a Call Number. These appear to be plays written on historical subjects, so this particular entry seems to be an interesting book to retrieve via inter-library loan. Another call number is PS3558. These are all novels in this category, so it seems someone has also written a historical novel on the family. A third interesting citation in my new bibliography is a photograph or a Mrs. Hammond, dated 1912. She is sitting in an airplane. Now there is an interesting tidbit to add to my notes - even if she proves to be a very distant cousin. Also cited are several letters in the manuscript collection which will all only be available via a personal visit to the LOC. Several of the citations yield subject category searches which are worth pursuing at regional libraries however. Subjects: Hammond family -- Correspondence. Hammond, James Henry, 1807-1864 -- Correspondence. Redcliffe, S.C. South Carolina -- History -- 1775-1865 -- Sources. Family -- South Carolina -- History -- 19th century -- Sources. Slaveholders -- South Carolina -- Correspondence. Note that the exact spacing and punctuation as listed above are important for submitting back to most library catalogs when you research. Some computer programmer in his infinate wisdom however, has ignored the fact that catalogers have followed this convention for a kabillion years and chosen to implement the LOC subject search category with NO PUNCTUATION. Thus, you can not just cut and paste, to see what SLAVEHOLDERS-- SOUTH CAROLINA -- CORRESPONDENCE may exist besides Uncle Jimmy's, for the LOC you would need to enter it as SLAVEHOLDERS SOUTH CAROLINA CORRESPONDENCE. I don't know it this is a new trend, but at present (1999) LOC is the only one I have seen that implements the search this way. When you visit other libraries, - and particularly if you are using a TELNET session, use the first form. Also make note of the Dewey Decimal number. You will need it rather than the LOC number when researching many local libraries. This is also the number used in the IGI index as the INPUT SOURCE for books, so when you cross-reference that resource, you can connect them via the Dewey Decimal Number. In conclusion, the second step of the research model, "Identifying and Locating Useful Resources" is now extremely easy to do, where just a few years ago, such a process would have taken months or years to accomplish. Because it is so easy however, don't neglect this critical step to effective research in your eager anticipation of what you will find in the next book. Careful consideration of all relevant resources is what distinguishers the researchers from the "tourists."

GREAT! #6 --->Genealogy Research Easy Access Tip! This information is excerpted from "How to Do Research on the Internet" http://www.researchonline.net/res1.htm Permission is explicitly granted to repost this message to other mailing lists. More Stuff you won't find in the search engines! One of the things I enjoy doing most at the library is to browse the shelves to see what I can find. Now you can do it "virtually" and not have to worry about all those book mites (grin). Browsing the shelves can turn up a wealth of information for research, and - combined with a little patience - and the availability of inter-library loan; allow you to retrieve virtually anything for your own research. For the following example, I accessed the PAC (public access catalog) at Augusta (GA) State University. Their name for their catalog is ATLAS; most every library has their own name or acronym. The same techniques can be used at virtually any library, and there are about 200,000 with internet access in the U.S. now with thousands more in Europe and other places. A good list (though not complete) of libraries may be found at http://www.cyndislist.com. The Reese Library of ASU may be accessed at: http://www.aug.edu/~library/ and their gateway to TELNET access to their library catalog is at http://www.aug.edu/~library/atlas.html Once you log in, you'll be presented with a screen offering 1 - Title, author, subject search, and 2- keyword search. Now you can browse these to your heart's content, but let me show you a technique that you can use to really research the library's holdings (not just act as a tourist (grin)). Once you find a book that looks promising, there are two ways to look for other holdings which may be of interest. I noted while looking for the SUBJECT "Hammond family" (s=hammond family) that the call letter for the books were CS71 (this is true for most libraries - but not all as some use different numbering schemes). I then issue a CALL NUMBER request (c=cs71) and I am presented with the following list: # Call Number -------Author-------- ---------------Title----------------- 1 CS71 A211 1 Ebbott, Elizabeth. Descendants of Colonel John Emery A 2 CS71 A298 1 Felton, Eileen Lapham The Albee-Lapham heritage of Portla 3 CS71 A3 198 Albertson, John Jay, Albertson-Drusendahl lineages / by 4 CS71 A35X 1 Albin, Ethel Winifred The Virginia Albins : the history o 5 CS71 A362X Alden Kindred of Amer Directory / Alden Kindred of Americ 6 CS71 A38 19 Boggs, Marion Alexand The Alexander letters, 1787-1900 / 7 CS71 A39X Ames, Winthrop. The Ames family of Easton, Massachu 8 CS71 A43 19 Chrisman, Charles E. The Allen family history : descenda 9 CS71 A43 19 Miller, Norma Carter, Allens of the southern states / Nor CS71 A46954 Jones, Zona Perry, 19 Aulwes family history and genealogy Actually Reese Library has over 2,000 titles of family histories: this is just the first 10. One book that looks interesting appears, so I type in its number for a detail view: DETAIL VIEW AUTHOR: White, Paul Richard, 1950- TITLE: Taproots, a Virginia & Carolina legacy LIBRARY HOLDINGS: SP.COLL. 1. CALL NUMBER: [S.C.] CS71 .A98 1986 -- Spec coll -- NonCirculating/---------- MATERIAL: Book CALL NUMBER: CS71 .A98 1986 AUTHOR: White, Paul Richard, 1950- TITLE: Taproots, a Virginia & Carolina legacy / by Paul R. White. EDITION: 2nd ed. PUBLICATION: Nashville, Tenn. (6235 Brownlee Dr., Nashville 37205) : P.R. White, c1986. DESCRIPTION: xv, 860 p. : ill. ; 29 cm. NOTES: Bibliography: p. 706-737. NOTES: Includes index. SUBJECT: Ayers family. SUBJECT: Blackwell family. SUBJECT: Virginia--Genealogy. ADDED ENTRY: Taproots, a Virginia and Carolina legacy. Now this detail record gives me several key pieces of information: 1. The book is non-circulating at this library, but that does not mean that I cannot request it via inter-library loan. Some other library may have it. Just last week I received a very rare book on Georgia Civil War Newspapers which states in the fly leaf that only 300 were printed. 2. The Subject classifications at the bottom of the record detail reveal: A. Ayers family and Blackwell family - this particular book deals with these two families although the title would not reveal that B. Virginia--Genealogy - this library classifies books under the subject heading Virginia--genealogy. I can use this designation to do a subject browse of all their books on this subject. Note the two dashes and the capitalization of the subject headings is important. Actually most all libraries use this same subject classification scheme. Once you learn the ones in your area of research interest you can use them most anywhere. 3. The real boon in this record for me is the address of the author, and his year of birth. I can now use switchboard to get his phone number, or write a letter if the address appears to still be the same. Other ways of searching available using this catalog include ISBN number (the first 5 digits are the publisher), ISSN, LCCN, OCLC, and REFERENCE In conclusion, TELNET and access to libraries in your geographic area of interest can turn up a lot of information that is often overlooked by the casual researcher. Learn to use these tools and your research efforts will be much easier and more effective

Hi, All, I copied this message from another list. Thought you would all be interested, too. Faith Good morning from Utah. This morning's Deseret News has an article saying the LDS website has finished its testing stage and has been having about 7 million hits daily. The official launch of the site is set for Monday morning, May 24th, with a press conference in front of the Genealogical Library in Salt Lake City. In the test stage the IGI was information from the UK, the US, and Finland. The article did not say when, or even if, other countries and areas would be added, but I certainly hope so. The article also did not elaborate as to what else would change, but it did indicate there would be additional information made available over time, so we may have to wait and see. Hope this site continues to help us find our families. Have a great day and much success in your research. Ed Scriven Layton, UT

Hello, all, Below is a good website for PA counties, including Montgomery County. Faith Hutchings PENNSYLVANIA. Philadelphia County and Pennsylvania History (GUIDEBOOK TO HISTORIC GERMANTOWN, 1902) <ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/philadelphia/ history/local/hgermtwn01.txt> PENNSYLVANIA. Mercer County 1850 Census Index (Now Completed) <ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/mercer/census/1850index/> * * * * *

Hi there, To those of you I have not talked to yet, my name is Robb Tones, and I am descended from the Hallman family as follows: 1. Henry HALLMAN + Anna Maria BERSONS 2. Benjamin HALLMAN + Anna GOTWALS 3. Benjamin HALLMAN b.1783 + Elizabeth DETWEILER b.1784 4. Maria (Polly) HALLMAN b.1806 + Jacob G BECHTEL b.1803 5. Mary (Polly) BECHTEL b.1848 + Johannes (John) ISRAEL b.1848 6. John Eurven ISRAEL b.1883 + Isabella Mary CRAIG b.1881 7. Hazel ISRAEL + John TONES 8. John TONES + Judith RODGERS 9. Robert TONES My ancestors, Polly Bechtel and John Israel lived in Burk's Falls, Parry Sound District, Ontario. They moved to Mt.Lehman in the 1890s with their whole family where they homesteaded. The family farm is still standing in Mt.Lehman, a small village west of Vancouver, near Abbotsford. There are many relatives buried in the local cemetary. Now a little about myself. I am 22 years old and am just finishing up my 4th year in Biology at the University of Victoria. I am interested in Marine Invertebrates. I enjoy boating, british sports cars, and of course, genealogy. Some people are surprised that such a young person is interested in genealogy. I guess my interest comes from having an uncommon surname. If you would like to drop me a note, I would appreciate hearing from you. Cheers, Robb

There is a wholly separate set of Hallmans from Sweden via Michigan that settled in Birmingham, Alabama in the early part of the century. Ironically, I found myself seated beside one of that family in 1965-ish at the University of Alabama. There are those who would suggest that many of the early southern Hallmans were from Scandinavia or indirectly so, via several generations in Switzerland. This opinion, tenuous at best, is derived from the prominent use of the name popular in Scandinavia of Wendel by the early settlers. Also, there is a town near Oslo called ( as I recall ) Wendel or some such. All of this is food for thought but entirely unsupported. Also, any kinship would be quite remote. Mark H.

Hi, Hallmans, "Wagontracker" on my Rosenberger List sent me this interesting piece of history from his family. I posted it to my R. List. I thought Hallmans would find it interesting, too, so here it is below. Faith AND NOW WE KNOW.... Our Family Farm was situated 1.5 miles east of New Market, along the north side of U. S. Route 211 (formerly known as the New Market-Sperryville Turnpike). Smith Creek flowed northward towards its' junction with the North Fork of the Shenandoah River, some six miles distant. Being born and reared on this property (1920s through the 1940s), I occasionally found Yankee uniform buttons, Minnie balls/bullets, an 1862 U. S. quarter, uncovered a Sharps carbine while plowing, an noted an unexploded artillery shell in the forks of a tree situated about fifteen feet from the rear corner of my Grandfather's house. I often wondered how these items came to be on our farm. Local residents said that a Federal unit had encamped along the old Turnpike several days during the Civil War. The gun, quarter, bullets, and uniform buttons were of Civil War vintage but I could not fully accept that they were left as a result of an encampment. And now we know..... "The Battle of New Market" by William C. Davis published by Stackpole Books, Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, 1993, provided the answer. This book details the events leading up to, during, and after the Civil War battle in this section of southern Shenandoah County, Virginia. Mr. Davis describes how a Federal calvary unit of 300 men under Col. William Boyd crossed the Blue Ridge Mountains on May 13th, 1864, destroyed enemy supplies in Luray, and arrived in the New Market Gap (Massanutten Mountain, east of New Market). After scanning the Valley through the evening haze, the unit descended the west side of the mountain. The Confederates observed the enemy force and ambushed it just as it crossed Smith Creek. Federal casualties in killed, wounded, and missing totaled well over 100. While there was no mention of a Federal encampment in Mr. Davis's book, a large portion of this skirmish definitely involved our property. My Grandfather, L. Harper Zirkle, puchased the property from Captain William H. Rice who lost a leg during the War, and whose wooden leg my Brother discovered in the smokehouse loft in the 1970s. The Battle of New Market took place two days later, on May 15th, 1864, and resulted in a victory for the South. Franklin A. Zirkle April, 1994

Hi, All, Ancestry's database of the day (free for 10 days) may be a website you'd like to check out. (see below) Faith DATABASE OF THE DAY (Free for 10 Days!) <<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<< =================================================== Boston, New York, Philadelphia, and Baltimore Steamship Arrivals, 1890-1930 Around the turn of the century tens of thousands of steamships arrived in the ports of Boston, New York, Philadelphia, and Baltimore laden with millions of immigrants seeking a new life in America. This database is a listing of ships that arrived in these ports as the nineteenth century ended and as the new century began. Researchers will find the name of the ship, date of arrival, and the port of entry. Originally published in 1931, it contains ship arrivals in New York between 1890 and 1930 and in the ports of Boston, Philadelphia, and Baltimore between 1904 and 1926. To those seeking information about their ancestors who may have come to America on a passenger ship, this can be a helpful collection of records. Bibliography: "Morton Allen Directory of European Passenger Steamship Arrivals." New York: n.p., 1931. To search this database, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/ancestry/search/3770.htm <<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<

Hello All Hallmans, We have a new member who is descended from Scandinavian Hallmans! I knew of Hallmans in the Pacific Northwest who were from Sweden, so I have wondered why we haven't heard from any for our Hallman list. Now, we have. We all need to help Kathi find some cousins. Are any of you descended from Swedish ancestors? Or, do you know a Hallman who is Swedish? (Kathi's message, with her ancestors listed, is below.) Faith Regarding the Hallman's, this is what I know: My Great Grandfather Matt Freeland married Mary (I've seen it Hulda M., Hulda and Mary all three ways, maybe Hulda Mary???) Hallman (also seen it spelled Hollman...?maybe typeO?) on 4-7-1887. She was 15 and he was 28...big age difference! Hulda (Mary) Hallman b. Dec. 1871 in NY or Sweden (I have conflicting reports) Parents...August Hallman b. Aug 1846 , Sweden...immigrated 1873, naturalized 1898 Matilda Carlson b. March 1846, Sweden (Matilda had a brother Charles or Carl) Siblings of Hulda ...Jennie, Alice, Emmel(Ameel) b. 2-13-1894, Albert, Elger(Elgie), Anna. My ancestors lived in the Casnovia/Bailey MI area, but I don't know where between Sweden and Michigan. The earliest date in MI is the marriage of Matt and Mary (Hulda) in 1887. I know this isn't much, but for me it's a start.