Forwarded From Another List: M. Dean Hunt Louisville, KY Good Morning, everyone: I played hooky from work yesterday and spent the day at the NARA Branch in Atlanta and it jogged my memory to pass on some information to everyone. Prior to the US's entry into WW1 (approx. 1917-1918) every male between the age of 18 and 40 was required to register for the draft. The information found on the card was provided by the individual himself. The registration cards vary in information depending on the individual draft board. But by and large the cards include: The full name of the person (this means first, full middle name, any additional middle names and last name); the current address of the man; his age; his birthdate (some include his place of birth); whether he is a US citizen or a naturalized citizen (some ask if his father was a naturalized citizen and his father's race); his race; his occupation; where he is employed (name of employer); address or location of employment; name and address of his next of kin; some cards ask if the man is married or single and how many people he supports. The card is signed by the draftee. On the back of the card his physical description is noted: Height is broken down by short, medium, tall although some cards give the actual height in feet and inches; Build by slim, medium, stout although some cards list actual weight along with the build; color of eyes and hair; any deformities or injuries are listed (such as one arm missing, blind in one eye, etc.); the name and address of the draft board and the date. When these original cards were transferred to the East Pointe NARA branch the LDS spent about 3 years microfilming these cards. There are hundreds and hundreds of boxes and the LDS opened one box at a time and filmed them - in state order. However, within each state the cards were filed by draft board, not by county or by draftee. This makes the searching of the microfilm difficult to say the least. The good news is that the Friends of the National Archives took each box after it was filmed (and checked) and sorted all of these thousands and thousands of cards into state and then COUNTY order, and then in alphabetical order by surname and put then in new boxes. The Friends deserve all the kudos we can give them for this monstrous task. So ... rather than spending hours and hours searching the LDS microfilm you can order copies of the original cards from NARA if you know the county your ancestor lived in between 1917-1918. And BTW - Ancestry.com lists WW1 Draft cards in their searchable data bases, however I know for a fact that there are 22 cards for the surname WHITE found in McIntosh Co, OK, and Ancestry only gave me 4 of them so don't depend on that site. I was told yesterday that some reps from Ancestry had visited the archives a couple of weeks ago to talk about filming the cards, took one look at the hundreds and hundreds of boxes and simply left. For copies: Send a letter requesting copy(s) to: NARA Southeast Region 1557 St. Joseph Ave East Point, GA 30344 In your letter be sure to say you want copy(s) of the WWI Draft application Cards. Include the name of your ancestor and his race, the state and the county. If you want copies of ALL of the cards with a given surname, ask them the cost of the copies and send a SASE for them to let you know the copying cost. In your letter be sure and say you want a copy of the FRONT and BACK of the card. Be sure to send a SASE for the return of you copies. The cost for the copy is 50 cents - 25 cents for the back and 25 cents for the front. If you only want one copy send a buck and say the difference is to be given to the Friends of the Archives, because after all they did all this wonderful hard work for you <VBG>

To Hallmans, I agreed to post this letter below to our list because it does affect many on our list who descend from Canadian ancestors. Thanks for your indulgence. Faith Hutchings > Greetings Listers > > Have you ever used information in Canada's Census records to find that > great-great-grandfather James XXX was married to Mary, and that they > had four daughters and five sons, most of whom you were previously > unaware of? Have you been able to find that g-g-grandfather James was > born DD-MM-YY and that Mary was born DD-MM-YY? Did you find their > countries of origin? Did you find the ages and birthdates of their > children? Did you find the location of their homestead and that in > 1901 they owned one horse, two cows, and three sheep? Would you like > to continue using Canada's Census records to find information like > this? > > Did you know that the last Census of Canada that was released to the > Public was for 1901? > > Are you aware that under current legislation in Canada THERE WILL > NEVER BE ANOTHER CENSUS RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC? > > Did you know that privacy/confidentiality clauses in Canada's > Statistics Acts since 1906 over-ride clauses in the Privacy Act that > allowed Census records containing personal/identifiable information to > be released to the National Archives, and subsequently to the Public > 92 years after collection? > > A Canada-wide committee of genealogists and historians, of which I am > a part, are dedicated to obtaining release to the Public after a > reasonable period of time, of Canada's Post 1901 Census records . We > have been working on the internet > encouraging interested genealogists and historians to write Members of > Parliament, the Hon. John Manley - Minister for Industry and Minister > responsible for Statistics Canada, and the Hon. Sheila Copps - > Minister for Canada Heritage. The purpose of writing is to express > our dismay with the current legislation and to urge them to take steps > to remedy the situation. > > A formal Petition to the House of Commons of Canada has been drawn up > and is being circulated Canada-wide. This petition, for > citizens/residents of Canada to sign, urges the Government of Canada > to take whatever steps necessary to retroactively amend > Privacy/confidentiality clauses of Statistics Acts since 1906 to allow > Release to the Public of Post 1901 Census records after a reasonable > period, starting with the 1906 Census. > > This petition is downloadable from the Post 1901 Census Project page > at > > http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census > > Available from the same website is a French Language > petition, identical in content to the English version. These > petitions will be presented to the House of Commons in October 1999. > > After many requests from people living outside of Canada, a petition > to be signed by citizens/residents of countries other than Canada, but > having roots in Canada, is also downloadable. This petition has > been worded to compliment the petition to the House of Commons and > will be used as support in the Senate by Senator Lorna Milne. > > Also available at this site is a more detailed explanation of the > problem, sample letters to write to Members of Parliament and the > appropriate Ministers, excerpts from Hansard that detail efforts by > Senator Lorna Milne in the Senate of Canada, to bring attention to > this problem, and links to other websites that have information > regarding the problem and our campaign. > > There is a Scoreboard that lists all 301 Members of Parliament, their > e-mail addresses, and shows how they would vote on a Bill to Release > to the Public Post 1901 Census records. Click on your MP's name to > bring up a correspondence log for him/her. > > Finally at this site are links to articles I have written on the Post > 1901 Census campaign for the Global Gazette and for The Family Tree, > as well as a link to a speech given by Senator Lorna Milne to the > Ontario Genealogy Society convention. > > I have set up a mailing list to be used as a forum for genealogists > and historians interested in Post 1901 Census issues. Everyone having > an interest in Canada's Census information is more than welcome to > join the list and participate in the discussion. To join this mailing > list send an e-mail to > > CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L-request@rootsweb.com > > with ONLY the word SUBSCRIBE in the Subject line and the body of > the message. Please do not have any other text, or signature files, > in the body of the message, or the server will reject your e-mail. > > Please feel free to forward this e-mail to other lists to which you > belong. Happy Hunting. > > Gordon A. WATTS gordon_watts@bc.sympatico.ca > Port Coquitlam, BC > ICQ # 9183352 > > Keep up to date on Post 1901 Census information at > http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/index.htm > Download and circulate Post 1901 Census Petiton now from > http://www.globalgenealogy.com/census/petition.htm > Read my column on Post 1901 Census News at > http://www.globalgenealogy.com/gazette.htm > Subscribe to the CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN mail list at > CANADA-CENSUS-CAMPAIGN-L-request@rootsweb.com > > ----------------------------------------------------

For Hallmans who have Canadian ancestors, or any others who are interested in Canadian history, this is a good site. The genealogy section has a lot on Mennonite ancestors, ie: Conrad Greble College Library (click on Mennonite History). Lots of other Canadian & some U.S. information here, too. http://dcs1.uwaterloo.ca/~marj/genealogy/thevoyage.html Have fun! Faith Hutchings Your List Hostess faith@verdenet.com

To all Hallmans, We now have a GenConnect Query Board set up for the Hallman surname. Anyone can post queries to this Board. The address is: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Hallman This is a good place to post your queries, as other researchers besides our Hallman List subscribers check this Board and place queries also. Faith Hutchings faith@verdenet.com

Hi, all, Doris sent me Henry Hallman's Will and I copied & pasted it to the HALLMAN Wills Board. It works fine now, just go to the address for Hallman Wills (hope you saved it) and both Henry's and Anthony's Will are there. You have to click on which one you want to read. Thank you, Doris Faith Hutchings faith@verdenet.com

Faith, I tried this address and got an error message. Doris

Hello, Hallmans, This message went out before I wanted it to go. I wanted to double check the address first. It did need a correction. For some reason it won't open bible_records. Anyone know why? It opens the other pages. We have six GenConnect Boards available to post to now: 1- Bible Records, 2-Biographies, 3- Deeds 4- Obituaries, 5- Pensions, 6- Wills. Anyone on our list can post to one, or more of these Boards. No queries can be posted, and no responses can be posted to any of these Boards. If any Hallmans have any of these six items you would like posted to the Board, you can either post them yourself, or send them to me to be posted.(Anthony Hallman's Will is already posted on the Wills Board.) I will be supervising these Boards and if something is posted on a Board that does not belong there, I reserve the right to remove it. If this becomes necessary, I will inform the poster the reason for the removal. The address to reach these six Boards is: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/h/a/HALLMAN/obituaries same as above until after HALLMAN /biographies /deeds /obituaries /pensions /wills It would be nice to have this information on these Boards as they are accessible not only subscribers to Rootsweb but to all.. Thanks, Faith Hutchings Your List Hostess faith@verdenet.com

Hello, Hallmans, We have six GenConnect Boards available to post to now: 1- Bible Records, 2-Biographies, 3- Deeds 4- Obituaries, 5- Pensions, 6- Wills. Anyone on our list can post to one, or more of these Boards. No queries can be posted, and no responses can be posted to any of these Boards. If any Hallmans have any of these six items you would like posted to the Board, you can either post them yourself, or send them to me to be posted.(Anthony Hallman's Will is already posted on the Wills Board.) I will be supervising these Boards and if something is posted on a Board that does not belong there, I reserve the right to remove it. If this becomes necessary, I will inform the poster the reason for the removal. The address to reach these six Boards is: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surname/h/a/HALLMAN/bible_records same as above until after HALLMAN /biographies /deeds /obituaries /pensions /wills It would be nice to have this information on these Boards as they are accessible not only subscribers to Rootsweb but to all.. Thanks, Faith Hutchings Your List Hostess faith@verdenet.com

Thanks for the information. I should probably stop using my intials (Wij) and use my name, Walt. Best, Walt -----Original Message----- From: RKRNaples@aol.com <RKRNaples@aol.com> To: HALLMAN-L@rootsweb.com <HALLMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 10:06 AM Subject: Jacob HALLMAN >In a message dated 8/3/99 2:49:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >HALLMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > ><< I don't have a wife in my records for this Jacob, son of > Benjamin. Do you have his wife's name? >> >I have the following (have not researched it personally) - >Edie > >From Shoemaker Pioneers, p 119: >George Shoemaker (b) married Barbara Landis, and died in Skippack and >Perkiomen Township, October 13, 1826, where he operated a grist mill. His >children were:- Isaac, Susanna (wife of John Gotwalls), and Mary (wife of >Jacob Hallman). He was first a weaver by trade, later a miller. Isaac's wife >was Barbara, daughter of Jacob Ziegler of Vincent Township, Chester County, >Pennsylvania, and a sister of Anna, wife of George Shoemaker, son of Michael >(a). >Isaac was born about, 1779, and Barbara about, 1784. They lived in Perklomen >Township in, 1850, with their daughter, Mary, age 36. Next to them lived a >son, Jacob Shoemaker, age 42; his wife, Maryann, and four children:- Isaac, >Charles, Charlotte, and Maryann. Nearby also lived another son, George, age >45, a miller, with his wife, Eliza, and three children:- Barbarann, Henry, >and Elizabeth. >

Faith: Just sent you another email message. Perhaps that will help you. Walt -----Original Message----- From: Faith Hutchings <faith@verdenet.com> To: HALLMAN-L@rootsweb.com <HALLMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, August 02, 1999 11:23 AM Subject: Jacob Hallman, son of Henry >You are absolutely right, Edie! I had Jacob, son of >Henry, instead of Jacob, son of Benjamin and Fronica. >I don't have a wife in my records for this Jacob, son of >Benjamin. Do you have his wife's name? > >Faith > >

Faith: Your information is the same information I have for this Jacob Hallman, son of Henry Hallman. Further, from my recent visit to Lower Skippack Mennonite cemetery the stones indicate he (Jacob) was married to "Maria" who was born in 1757 and died in 1827. I believe Edie was looking for another Jacob who was the son of Benjamin Hallman and Franconia Gotwals. He was born on 5 Sep 1799 and died on 28 Feb 1856. This Jacob was married to Mary Shoemaker. Best wishes and keep up the great work. Walt -----Original Message----- From: Faith Hutchings <faith@verdenet.com> To: HALLMAN-L@rootsweb.com <HALLMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, August 01, 1999 2:36 PM Subject: Re: Jacob Hallman >Edie, > >In the "Genealogical Landmarks and Milestones...." by >Ralph L. Johnson & David H. Bergey, MD, repub. 1992, >there is a footnote on the page 59 (Children of Henry Hallman), >on Child No. 8. Jacob, b. June 12, 1757, d. Apr 20, 1823. >Lived on his father's farm which he bought in 1795 for 100 lb. >Footnote (1) Deed Book 28, page 546. >If you could find that deed, it might give you some information. >I believe the farm was near Norristown, is that correct? > >Faith >

To Hallmans: If you are having trouble finding Anthony Hallman's Will, try this. !- Click on the GenConnect address I posted. 2- When that page comes up, scroll down and click on THE HALLMAN FAMILY. 3- On that page scroll down to where you see *Next* Click on NEXT and that should bring up the page with Anthony's will. Scroll down until you can read it. GenConnect & Rootsweb sure don't make it easy for us, do they? Let me know if you still have problems. Faith Hutchings Your List Hostess faith@verdenet.com

In a message dated 8/3/99 2:49:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, HALLMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << I don't have a wife in my records for this Jacob, son of Benjamin. Do you have his wife's name? >> I have the following (have not researched it personally) - Edie >From Shoemaker Pioneers, p 119: George Shoemaker (b) married Barbara Landis, and died in Skippack and Perkiomen Township, October 13, 1826, where he operated a grist mill. His children were:- Isaac, Susanna (wife of John Gotwalls), and Mary (wife of Jacob Hallman). He was first a weaver by trade, later a miller. Isaac's wife was Barbara, daughter of Jacob Ziegler of Vincent Township, Chester County, Pennsylvania, and a sister of Anna, wife of George Shoemaker, son of Michael (a). Isaac was born about, 1779, and Barbara about, 1784. They lived in Perklomen Township in, 1850, with their daughter, Mary, age 36. Next to them lived a son, Jacob Shoemaker, age 42; his wife, Maryann, and four children:- Isaac, Charles, Charlotte, and Maryann. Nearby also lived another son, George, age 45, a miller, with his wife, Eliza, and three children:- Barbarann, Henry, and Elizabeth.

You are absolutely right, Edie! I had Jacob, son of Henry, instead of Jacob, son of Benjamin and Fronica. I don't have a wife in my records for this Jacob, son of Benjamin. Do you have his wife's name? Faith

In a message dated 8/2/99 5:48:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, HALLMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << In the "Genealogical Landmarks and Milestones...." by Ralph L. Johnson & David H. Bergey, MD, repub. 1992, there is a footnote on the page 59 (Children of Henry Hallman), on Child No. 8. Jacob, b. June 12, 1757, d. Apr 20, 1823. Lived on his father's farm which he bought in 1795 for 100 lb. Footnote (1) Deed Book 28, page 546. If you could find that deed, it might give you some information. I believe the farm was near Norristown, is that correct? >> Good idea--I can check the archives next time I order copies. But this is a different Jacob, isn't it? The Jacob (b 5 Sep 1799) who married Mary Shoemaker was son of Benjamin and Fronica. I think the pronunciation Mariah is a good explanation also, except that it looks like her own signature! I'll keep an open mind, and keep watching for clues. Edie

We have 46 subscribers now on our HALLMAN list. Our HALLMAN list is not as busy as some of the other mail lists are, but if you would prefer to receive HALLMAN-L messages in digest mode (as an attachment with 1-20 messages together) just unsubscribe from HALLMAN-L-request@rootsweb.com and subscribe at: HALLMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com Faith Hutchings faith@verdenet.com

Edie, In the "Genealogical Landmarks and Milestones...." by Ralph L. Johnson & David H. Bergey, MD, repub. 1992, there is a footnote on the page 59 (Children of Henry Hallman), on Child No. 8. Jacob, b. June 12, 1757, d. Apr 20, 1823. Lived on his father's farm which he bought in 1795 for 100 lb. Footnote (1) Deed Book 28, page 546. If you could find that deed, it might give you some information. I believe the farm was near Norristown, is that correct? Faith

Thanks. That's the Jacob I was looking for, but an unproven date from unknown source was August of same year. Guess it's conceivable for Mariah and Mary to be one, though she is "Mary" in the Shoemaker resources. And on the renunciation it appears that she signed herself, rather than left her mark. I guess time (and more information) will tell! Thanks for responding. Edie In a message dated 8/1/99 8:47:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, HALLMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << What I have comes from the Hallman Family Association in Skippack, Pennsylvania. The dob for Jacob is listed as 5 Sep 1799 and his wife is listed as Mary Shoemaker. I know of no other wife. Wij Sorry, forgot to add Jacob's death date - 28 Feb 1856.

The Bergey notes confirm Wij's answer to Edie. Elise

Sorry, forgot to add Jacob's death date - 28 Feb 1856. -----Original Message----- From: RKRNaples@aol.com <RKRNaples@aol.com> To: HALLMAN-L@rootsweb.com <HALLMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, July 30, 1999 3:00 PM Subject: JacobHallman >Does anyone have a proven death date for >Jacob Hallman son of Benjamin and Fronical Gotwals (who reportedly married >Mary Shoemaker)? >or a proven death date for Jacob Hallman married to a Mariah? > >I have copies of estate settlement from Archives in Montgomery County PA, >which I expected to be for the Jacob who married Shoemaker. But in the >widow's renunciation, the widow is Mariah. The date of death in the >documents is a few month earlier than I have recorded for Jacob son of >Benjamin, but my date is not documented. Only Mariah I found in the List >Archives is in "South Carolina Hallmans". > >Anyone have any ideas? >Edie >