what part of AL?

Faith Hutchings wrote: > > Hello, SC Hallmans, > Millard is on our list. He is 84 yrs old & is trying to find his > wife's Hallman family. I think this is one for you SC Hallmans. > See what you have in your records for Millard. > Thanks, Faith Sorry, I do not have any of these HALLMANS. There were some of our Hallmans from Alabama who did use Holman spelling. There are lots and lots of Holmans who are not related. Bill

Has everyone been able to receive the Carolina Hallmans when it was divided up into 5 sections? Please let me know if you still didn't receive it. Thanks, Faith Hutchings Your List Hostess faith@verdenet.com

Hello, SC Hallmans, Millard is on our list. He is 84 yrs old & is trying to find his wife's Hallman family. I think this is one for you SC Hallmans. See what you have in your records for Millard. Thanks, Faith My wife(Lurene Hallman Lawrence)of 58 years died 2/3/97 after more than 30 year bout wit blindness and Alzheimers disease-the last 17 in the nursing home. Records we have: Samuel Hallman b ca1828GA or SC; Joseph Richar Hallman b 1856 AL; William Henry HALLMAM B 1887 AL, Elizabeth Lurene Hallman b 1918 AL.Samuel m. Matilda Smith dau of Peter Smith, JR in 1850 Al. On marriage certificate spelled Holman, on 1850 census Holiman, thereafter Hallman. The Smiths came from Henry Co GA in 1840s. I have been unable to locate parents or siblings for Samuel. He did serve in Civil War with a GA unit. Any help or suggestion appreciated. 1850 GA census index shows only 4 Hallmans and I have not been able to connect.

Carolina Hallmans - Part 5 (Final) Some future Carolina Hallman or Holman may be able to trace back to one of the above his pioneer ancestor. Mr. Gandee has our thanks for this contribution to the origin of the surname Heilman. It is universally the tradition among all branches of Heilman Hallman-Holmans that the original settlers spoke German. It is overwhelmingly the belief among recent generations that they came from Germany, though a few state that Alsace was the original European home. Yet, whenever a study has been undertaken, the conclusion has been reached that Switzerland was the native land. Ezra Eby, in his History of Waterloo Township, Ontario, Canada, some of whose pioneer settlers were Hallmans, descendants of Pennsylvania Anthony Hallman, stated on page 751 of this 1895 publication: "Anthony Hallman, ancestor of the numerous family of that name in Pennsylvania and other part. of the United States, and Canada, was born in Switzerland." Thomas Andrew Hallman, a descendant of John Wendel Hallman, in 1932 handed down to his children an outline of their family origin in which he wrote; "Father came from Switzerland about 1750 or 1760. Settled in Newberry County, S. C." Rev. Samuel Thomas Hallman, descendant of John Wendel Hallman, also years earlier, was reporting that the Hallmans were Swiss. It may be considered, too, that at the time the earliest South Carolina Hallmans reached this country the settlers of their general group were predominantly Swiss. However, the only known European records place Anthony Hallman in Germany. As earlier stated, records of Anthony Hallman locate him in Kleinniedesheim, Germany, in 1710 and in 1718. In an original note of Dr. R. L. Meriwether, Head of the Department of History at the University of South Carolina before his death, the note given to the writer, Dr. Meriwether states that Conrad Holman said that he came from Switzerland. These two origins are not necessarily contradictory; hundreds of Swiss migrated to or through Rhineland, Germany. Their path led down the Rhine and through the Dutch port of Rotterdam to America. Those who came to America may have lingered in Germany for a long or a short period. Because of the upsetting nature and struggles of the wars they experienced and because there was migration away from the home centers, family knowledge of the first two Hallman-Holman generations seems to have been almost completely lost. Years of research - some 35 - have restored to the family the names of most of the early members of this clan, but with much difficulty in assigning them to specific families. One can only make such groupings as will conform to all known data, realizing that in those cases where circumstantial evidence was the predominant factor errors may have crept in. The data found could not be complete, for deaths, marriages, and movements to other states blotted out the names of some. >From such records as have been unearthed we can give the names of most male Hallman-Holmans of South Carolina who were living between 1749 and 1800. Names of girls are largely lacking. In the period during which the Heilmans entered South Carolina, the Royal Period, a settler obtained a grant of land by appearing before the Colonial Council. The colony was governed by a Governor, an Upper and a Lower House of Assembly. The Council constituted the Upper House when in a legislative capacity, as Council when in administrative capacities. Under the Crown of England the sole right to grant land was vested in this Council. Sometimes a descendant of a grantee of the Pre-Revolutionary Royal period proudly boasts that his pioneer ancestor in South Carolina was granted land by King George himself. This is amusing. The Council did all the granting, with the king utterly unaware of the individuals involved. Grants were printed forms, with blank spaces to be filled in with dates, the names of the grantees, and a description of the land given. When the grant had been approved by the Council, a warrant or precept was issued to the Surveyor General, who designated a deputy surveyor to make the actual survey. The surveyor, when he had done so, certified the resulting plat The grant was made on the basis of this plat. As. during this period the settler was given 50 acres of land for each man, woman, and child in his household, the number of acres granted reveals the size of the family. The files of precepts, plats. and grants are not complete, many lost or misplaced. During these years, only four men appear in South Carolina records with the surname recorded as Hallman. Besides the above Andrew, we find a man listed in the Council Minutes of November 29, 1750, as John Henry Hallman. There was also a John Wendel Hallman who reached Grimm's Creek between 1750 and 1760, though he had come into South Carolina years earlier. In Volume IV, Statutes of South Carolina, pages 198 and following, there is a list of men due money for service in connection with Indian affairs. In this list is the name of a Conrad Hallman, the name so spelled. Traditions and such factual information as are available would indicate that Andrew, John Wendel, and Conrad were brothers, John Henry a son of John Wendel Hallman. They will be so accepted. This will be a history of Andrew, John Wendel, and Conrad Hallman or Holman and their descendants. * * * *

Carolina Hallmans - Part 4 "The propriety of displaying the 'True Heilman Coat of Arms' without proof of descent from the grantee is a matter of personal decision. It is used by the American Heilmans who descend from the emigrant, immigrant John Adam Heilman, of Zuzenhausen, Baden, centered in Lebanon County, Pennsylvania. To use it is to imply kinship with them. Nevertheless, the South Carolina family has as good right to use it as the Lebanon County family has, for it would be very likely impossible to prove that either family is entitled to it, or not entitled to it. Americans are very lax in the use of Arms, many being satisfied to use the Arms belonging to any family of the same name. "From the statements in Dr. S. P. Heilman's article, it is evident that many of the Heilman families of Franconia produced men of out-standing accomplishments in many fields. The Christopher Sauer Almanacs for 1745 and 1746 show 'Heilman' in the column of Saints of the Church, as the Saint honored on the seventh of April. The Official Church Calendar includes no saint named Heilman, and modern almanacs show April seventh as the day of the Angel Gabriel, but it is interesting that as late as 1746, some Germans remembered a local Heilman saint of centuries past. Heilmans have been Protestants since the Reformation. Possibly the reference is to Ferdinand Heilman, who in 1488 was Abbot of St. Martins Cell, a monastery in France, under the jurisdiction of Cluny. "During the Middle Ages, the family was recognized as important enough to warrant the naming of towns and estates for them. Among such names are Heilmanseck, Helistein, Heilsdorf, and others, mostly in Franconia. "During this and later periods, prominent Heilmans appear; in 1465, Allarick Heilman was an important member of the German Knights at Margantheim, headquarters of the Master of the Teutonic Order. In 1509, Johannes der Heilman von Heilsdorf was deposed, and with his descendants declared infamous forever by the Emperor Maximilian, his 'crime' being opposition to the schemes of the Emperor to overthrow the Venetian Republic, and belief in the right of free men to choose their government and to conduct their affairs democratically. Therefore, Johannes der Heitman von Heilsdorf deserves, by our standards, not infamy, but recognition as a harbinger of the new spiritual Freedom which finally destroyed the Holy Roman Empire. "In the last years of the 15th century, Hieronimus Heilman was commander in chief of the Imperial Armies of Emperor Frederick. It is not a family made up of serfs and peasants. In fact, several branches of Heilmans have been lost sight of because their estates were so important that the owners became known by the names of their lands. Among such families is one in Bavaria whose founder in 1281 married the heiress Von Praunheim, and thereafter called himself Johann Von Praunheim instead of Johann Heilman. "Many Heilmans are mentioned by Dr. Heilman, his sources revealing that the Franconian family emigrated into other parts of Germany, into Switzerland, and into France, in which several lines still exist in Alsace. One Ludwig Heilman became famous for an acrostic, written in 1517. This poem was considered so remarkable, and so fervent an expression of the Reformation Spirit that it was printed alongside Luther's Ninety-Five Theses, and remained into the twentieth century as a hymn in the German Sunday School Hymnal of the Lutheran Church, being sung to a German chorale, 'Gott Gruss dich Bruder veite.' "Even more famous is an Andreas Heilman, a kinsman of John Gutenberg, who had a part in the printing of the first Bible produced by Gutenberg, and subsequently located at Strasbourg. His brother Thomas Heilman was the ancestor of the Heilman family which bought citizenship at Beil, Switzerland, in 1732, and is now considered Swiss. Yet from their marriages, it is clear that the generations between Thomas of Strasbourgh and Johann Cristoph of Biel moved up and down the Rhine from Leyden to the Alps. It was a tme of great ferment and movement. "Since both human nature and many other factors make it likely that related families and individuals emigrate from a vicinity more frequently than unrelated ones, and since Zuzenhausen, Baden, and Nordheim, Wurttenburg, are identified as the homes of three of the ten Heilmans who emigrated to Pennsylvania in the second quarter of the eighteenth century, special mention will be given the families from these towns as the most likely kinsmen of Andreas, Hans Wendel, and Conrad Heilman, whose families are the ones to whom this book is devoted. "Zuzenhausen, located twenty-seven miles from Heidelburg, across the border in Baden, on the Elsass stream, is an ancient town established before 800 A.D. Heilmans lived there before the Thirty Years War, when it had a population numbering thousands. It was so terribly ravaged during this conflict that at the end of the War, in 1648, only fifteen heads of families remained alive in it. One of these was Martin Heilman. In the History of Zuzenhausen, by Rev. John Philip Glock, mention is made of the following Heilman residents: Martin, 1617; Jakob, 1659; Hans Jakob, 1670; Margaretha, 1682; Jakob, 1682; Rev. Paul Chnstian, 1686; Hans Jakob, 1692;Jakob, i705;and John Adam, 1738, who migrated to Pennsylvania. Within one mile of the latter settled John Peter Heilman, from Wurttenburg, who emigrated at the age of twenty, in 1732."

Carolina Hallmans - Part 3 More light has been thrown on the origin and history of this surname bv ProFessor Lee R. Gandee, whose researches and whose analyses of Heilman Hallman-Holman data have contributed so greatly to the preparation of this family history. Gratefully we insert his treatment of the surmane. THE HALLMAN FANIILY NAME AND BACKGROUND By LEE R. GANDEE "For over a hundred years the spelling of the family name as *Hallman* has been standard among literate members. It may seem strange to learn that it was ever anything else. Nevertheless, in earlier records, a wide range (If spelling is found, and the signature of the first immigrant of the three whose offspring comprise the family recorded here, is written *Haillman*. Thus he signed the Oath of Allegiance to the British Crown in Philadelphia in I736. However. his name was written Heylman on the ship list of the Harle. The sound of both is the same as that *Heilman*, and no doubt can exist that Heilman or Heilmann was the original correct spelling. "In Volume VII (1916-19) of *Lebanon County Historical Papers*, an article 'The Name Heilman in European, American. and Lebanon County History" by Dr. S. P. Heilman, M . D., of Pennsylvania, tells the origin the name, and mentions the occurrence in Europe since very early times. Citing E. Alberus *Deutsches* Worterbuch, this writer shows the name to derive from hilfman, a helping man, a heilbringender Mann or healing-bringer. Thus it appears that the name was first given to indicate that the bearer was a doctor or physician and when surnames became hereditary the children of any man who had been called a Heilman or doctor might keep the name. Because doctors are found wherever there are people, it can be assumed that families of Heilmanns sprang up in many parts of Germany. Nevertheless, by the early Middle Ages, the name was recognized as Franconian, and there is on room for doubt that the Heilmans who emigrated to America in the 18th century derived from those living a thousand years earlier in Franconia. "Franconia was a development of the Ancient Frankish Empire of Charlesmagne. Situated on the Rhine River, this area of South Germany had been peopled by various Germanic tribes, whose blood probably mingled with that of previous inhabitants, and with that of Celts and Germans. It was a rich land, well suited to all types of agriculture. famed for its orchards, vineyards, and grain. After the formation of the Holy Roman Empire, Franconia formed an important part of it (one of four Dukedoms), and by the eighteenth century, it was broken up into smaller states, among them the Palatinate, Baden, and Wurttenberg. "From the earliest times, Heilmans belonged to the Order of Franconian Knighthood; the name was enrolled in the genealogical register of the German Nobility, and references to individual Heilmans are found in fragments of history for more than a thousand years before 1305 A. D. when one Veit der Heilman was granted the first surviving Heilman coat of arms by the Emperor Albrecht. This, however, is not the one called 'The true Heilman Arms' as it appears in the Register of the Holy Roman Empire, from whence Julius F. Sachse (25th President of the Pennsylvania German Society) secured, through the assistance of lie American Ambassador in Vienna, a photographic copy of an original plate, engraved before 1667, though the Arms were in the seventeenth century already in use a hundred years or more. They refer to an obscure fact of history, practically unknown to most students namely, that Germans played a major role during the reign of Charles V, in the explorations and conquests of Spain. "Charles V of the Holy Roman Empire (Charles I of Spain) was a Hapsburg. Born in what is now Belgium in Ghent, Charles spoke Flemish and, German himself, showed preference to his Imperial subjects over those of Spain, whose language he never learned, and whose nobles he never trusted. Thus, when the conquest of the area now Venezuela was undertaken the group engaged in it was made up largely of German adventurers, mostly from Franconia or 'Franken, who were called Welzers. Venezuela itself was known briefly as Welzerland, and it was to some Heilman in this Welzer group that 'The true Heilman Arms' was granted, sometime between 1525 and 1550 A.D. "In two respects the Heilman Arms is unique. It is the only Arms ever granted by the Holy Roman Empire showing the figure of an American Indian Cacique, and it is the first one granted by any government or known in Heraldry, using the American Indian as its device. The Indian is a Carib, not the familiar North American Indian, and the Arms depicts him wearing a plumed headdress and feathered skirt, his face turned to his right, his right arm extended, holding an arrow. The Indian is colored copper, and stands upon a green mound. The background of the Arms is gold, and the headdress, skirt, and arrow feathered silver, red, and blue. The mantling is gold and black, and the crest shows a closed helmet, in natural colors, marked with the Cross of the Knights of Malta, above which the same Indian is shown from the waist up. There can be no question that the Arms were granted some Welzer Heilman for defeating or securing the submission of a Carib chieftain in Venezuela.

Carolina Hallmans - Part 2 Another branch of the Heilman Hallmans-Holmans is the Carolina one. The oldest in age and the earliest in arrival in America was Andrew HalIman. The passenger list of the Ship Harle. Ralph Harle. Master, records his name as Andreas Heylmann. He himself, when he signed his name at the City Hall in Philadephia. where the Ship Harle had docked, did so as "Andreas Haillman". on the oath of allegiance and also on the oath of adjuration. two required oaths for other than English immigrants. These records speak for themselves; the Pennsylvania and the Carolina Hallmans and Holmans being discussed were originally Heillmann or some similar surname Haillmann, Heyllmann, or Heillmann, perhaps Hayllmann. They are all the same word in sound and in meaning; the German diphthongs "ai", "ay", "ci", and "ey" are identical in sound and in meaning. Hereafter, when giving the original surname, the short form Heilman will be used. The oldest appearance of Heilman known to this writer at this time was found in documents pertaining to a partnership with Johann Gutenberg in 1438 by two Heilman brothers. Andres and Anthonie. The Programme of the Eleventh Reunion of the Hallman Family Association of Canada meeting in Waterloo Park, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada, quoted Reverend U. H. Heilman, Jonestown, Pennsylvania, as stating that his family records date back to 1305 to a Veit der Heilman, the founder of his family. Dr Fritz Braun, historian of Kaiserslautern, West Germany in a letter to E. B. Hallman of March 30, 1958, wrote: "Den altesten Nachweis des Namens heir in der Pfalz konnte ich bjsher fur das Jahr 1621 finden: Johann Jakob Heilmann. Ich habe aber bisher nicht die Geburt eines Andreas finden konnen." (The oldest appearance of the name here in the Palatinate I can find at present was for the year 1621: John Jacob Heilman. Up to the present I have not been able to find a record of the birth of an Andrew.) In a report of the Zwicky Genealogical Institute, Switzerland, also to E. B.Hallman, the following appears: "Heilmano von Biel (Bern) Stanivater dieses bedeutenden Gesichlechters war der aus Marburg geburtige Johann Christoff Heilman (Haylmann, Heylmann)". (Heilman of Biel (Bern) the ancestor of this distinguished citizen was a John Christopher Heilnian (Haylnann, Heylmann) who was born in Marburg) This surname may have originated independently in various localities. The meaning may have similarly varied. The Reverend U. H. Heilman, mentioned above, explains the origin as resulting from the calling of his ancestor Veit, known as Veit der Heilman, or Veit the physician, that being one of the meanings of Heilman, "Heil" is a German word, ancient in origin. meaning whole, sound, uninjured. Cognate with it there came into early England through the Anglo-Saxons the forms "hol" and "hal", followed later by words like whole, hale, healthy, holy. Whatever the original meaning of the surname may have been. the proper English form should have been Holman. This spelling was accepted by some Heilmans; others have retained Heilman in this abbreviated spelling. One branch, the Anthony Heilman of Pennsylvania, changed to Hallman, this is adopted by the Andrew Heilmans who came through Pennsylvania into Carolina.

To Hallmans, So many missed Clark Hallman's posting of the Carolina Hallmans, I decided to divide it into 5 parts to see if it will go through that way. This is part One. Faith The following are excerpts from two "Hallman" books which touch on the Carolina branch. Clark Hallman Early Carolina Heilmans (Hallmans - Holmans) 1736-1800 by Elmer Berley Hallman Columbia, S.C. 1972 Introduction: As a result of its geographical location the Carolina of the I 730's was a unique colony. It was truly, as Verner W. Crane described the southern colonies generally in his book of that title, "The Southern Frontier." On all sides were Indian tribes, frequently unfriendly: Yamasees, Cherokees, Creeks, Westos, Choctaws, and others. To the south were the Spaniards, disputing the ownership of the English settlers and stirring up Indians and negro slaves against the struggling settlements along the Carolina coast. To the southwest, more distant, but equally dangerous, were the French on the lower Mississippi, they with their Indian allies striving to block the westward expansion of the Carolina fur traders and eventually to line up with their fellow countrymen of the upper waters of the same river. They, too, would have enjoyed witnessing the destruction of the English colonies. Added to these major perils were the increasing numbers of negro slaves. These Africans, many fresh from the jungles, were not as submissive as their descendants were generally to become - and they were beginning to outnumber the whites. Insurrections of slaves soon taught the colonial leaders the need for some solution to this additional problem. The colonization of Georgia as a buffer settlement gave a partial remedy, but not enough. The solution adopted and realized was the encouragement of Protestant settlers to enter Carolina and form a protective cordon around the coastal inhabitants. The logical step at this stage would have been to have sought the addition of more settlers from England. But the British government was opposed to more draining away of its human resources. So the colonial government, following the example of Pennsylvania, offered and publicized attractive inducements to promote the immigration of Switzers and Germans Until 1750 these were very largely Swiss: but a rising tide of Germans followed until the Revolutionary War hindered migration. The inducements included the promise of free land, with no taxes for 10 years; live stock and tools; seed for planting; provisions for a year; and even free passage for those without money for the journey, this last to be repaid by service to those advancing the necessary funds. Pamphlets were printed and distributed in Switzerland and along the Rhine river.. describing in glowing terms, sometimes extravagantly so, the joys and advantages of Carolina some of these strikingly similar in their exaggerations to the literature of modern land speculators. Earlier settlers were persuaded to write back to friends and relatives with like pleasing accounts. The appeal was irresistible. Conditions of serfdom in the Europe of that day, the devastations of numerous wars, the horrors of religious persecutions, economic deprivations, love of adventure, the opportunity for economic or social advancement, or just the desire for change, all played a part. But, whatever the reason in the case of an individual or of an individual family, Switzers and Germans came because they were wanted and invited. .Among these were the Carolina Heilmans (Hallmans, Holmans). The Hallmans and Holmans of whom this is a history were not originally of this surname, but were Heilmanns or some variant. In the Journal of Henry Melchior Muhlenberg, the noted Lutheran preacher of Pennsylvania, as he recorded it in his Journal on August 3, 1778, was this reference to the name: "Regarding the origin and passing of the deceased, he was ihe legitimate son of the late Anthon Heilman, born in KIenniedesheirn, Germany, October 16, 1710, and was baptized on the twenty-first of the same month. He came to this country with his parents when he was young..." The surname of the father, Anthon Heilman, is also found with like spelling on an inscription above the entrance to old Augustus Lutheran Church at Trappe, Pennsylvania; on a deed; on his will; and on the tombstone of his wife, Maria Salome, in the Mennonite Cemeterv of this area. The Pennsylvania Hallman family Association followed up in 1963 this reference by Muhlenberg through research in Kleinniedesheim, a town in the Palatinate section of West Germany. In old Church records at nearby Grosniedesheim they discovered this entry, a record of the baptism of a daughter, Anna Maria, to Anthony and Maria Salome Hallman: "Anthony Heyllmann & Maria Salone 14, 10 1718 Anna Maria Taufzeuge Anna Maria Haesurers von Pfifffligheim." (Anna Maria, daughter of Anthony and Salone, was baptized on the 14th day of October, I718. The god mother was Anna Maria Hauser, of Pfifffligheim.) With the rare exception of a few who took Holman as their name, the descendants of Anthon Heyllmann became Hallmans.

To all, I won't send out any more Y2K instructions for computer date adjustments, as Cyndi (Cyndi's list) says the adjustment is not necessary (see her message to me below), and I also checked with our computer club president (who had given us the instructions several months ago) & he says, too, that they've found out that this adjustment to the 4-digit short date is not necessary. The Win 95,98 software is set up to turn over correctly on Jan. 1st, 2000. Thanks, Faith >From Cyndi What I said was this was an "e-mail hoax" meaning that people are perpetuating a false problem via e-mail. The URL I supplied gives the real facts regarding the 4-digit issues and Win95. Again, it is: http://www.microsoft.com/y2k/hoax/y2khoax.htm My husband is an information systems security auditor, dealing with Y2K problems and issues each day in his job. This 4-digit "problem" has been thoroughly studied and is known not to be a problem at all. Cyndi

Faith, thanks for the posting of Clark's Hallman History. It is so interesting. And thanks to Walt and others who answered my query about Henry Hallman. I feel that the Henry who was born on 24 Mar 1745 is the one who migrated to North Carolina, but evidently I am not able to nail it down. Does anyone know of another Henry who was born in Pennsylvania around that time? If I am connecting Henry to the wrong family, I want to find that out. I did not have his birth date before I heard from Walt and Doris. Thanks to both of you, and all who answered my posting. The facts I know: A Henry Hallman appeared in North Carolina in the 1760's. He bought property, and one of the deeds says he was from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. He sells the property to Anthony Hallman, also from Pennsylvania. An Anthony Hallman was married in Rowan County NC in 1774. Both these men had extensive land holdings and were prominent in court proceedings of the day. Who were they? Were they father and son, or some other relationship? If Henry was born in 1745, and his son married in 1774, they both married very young indeed. Possible, but not too probable. By the way, is there still a Hallman Family Association? Nancy in Texas

Hi Fatih...I missed Clarks' posting...could u send it to me...thanks...Debi Biffert ---------- > Did anyone else miss Clark's posting on the Hallman History? > I would hate for any of you to miss it, as it was so interesting. > Please let me know if you did miss it. I sent it on to Doris and > Bill already. > > Faith > faith@verdenet.com > > >

Sorry, I too did not see the posting. If you can please send. Thank you, Walt -----Original Message----- From: Faith Hutchings <faith@verdenet.com> To: HALLMAN-L@rootsweb.com <HALLMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, August 27, 1999 3:09 PM Subject: Clark's Hallman History Posting >Did anyone else miss Clark's posting on the Hallman History? >I would hate for any of you to miss it, as it was so interesting. >Please let me know if you did miss it. I sent it on to Doris and >Bill already. > >Faith >faith@verdenet.com > > >

I believe the Henry you may be seeking was the son of Henry Hallman B. May 1716, D. Oct 1803, buried in Lower Skippack Mennonite Church, Skippack, PA. If this is the correct Henry, he was born on 24 Mar 1745 (I do not have a death date). He has a sister Anne Catherine Hallman B. 7 Aug 1739 and she married Jacob Griesemer. Perhaps with the German ancestry/language the spellings have changed a bit. Henry also had a brother Anthony B. 8 Nov 1742 D. 3 Dec 1794. He married Mary Streyper. My records were obtained from the Hallman Family Association in PA. It has also been my pleasure to visit the Lower Skippack Mennonite Church and see the graves of many Hallmans, including our original Hallman, Anthony, who came to America some time around 1724 and settled in Montgomery County PA. I hope this is helpful to you. Best Wishes, Wij -----Original Message----- From: NCason5032@aol.com <NCason5032@aol.com> To: HALLMAN-L@rootsweb.com <HALLMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, August 27, 1999 11:54 AM Subject: Henry Hallman >My ancestor, Henry Hallman, appeared in North Carolina in 1767 when as Henry >Holdman, Jr., he bought 225 acres of land in Mecklenberg Co., and 320 acres >of land in present day Lincoln Co. He is mentioned in several other land >transactions and also was appointed a Justice at the first sitting of the >court of Tryon County in 1768. In one of the deeds it specifies he was from >Pennsylvania. He died in Lincoln Co. in 1820 - I have his will. I have not >been able to locate the burial places of either Henry or his son Anthony, but >subsequent generations are buried at the Salem Lutheran Church cemetery near >Lincolnton. In addition, Henry's sister Catherine migrated to North >Carolina. She was married to Jacob Creasamer, and they are both buried at >the Salem church cemetery. These early generations are enumerated in Jo >White Linn's book, "Ancestry of Sim/Hallman Families". The book was >published privately in 1994, but I understand it is now available. It is on >her newest book list. >There was an earlier book "Hallmans and Related Families in America", >published in 1974 by Isaac Powell Hallman. The North Carolina branch is >mentioned in chapter 5. It was this book which was the springboard for my >genealogy research, and our discovery of the Pennsylvania connection. In >1993 I met Mrs. Linn, and was able to contribute some of the facts she used >in her book. She has been an invaluable help to me in my research, and a >good friend. >Hope to hear from someone who can give me more information about Henry. I >have never been able to find his birth date, for instance. Anybody have it? >Hopes this helps someone. >Nancy >

I didn't see the Clark's History Posting, but I would like to. Diane ----- Original Message ----- From: Faith Hutchings <faith@verdenet.com> To: <HALLMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 3:05 PM Subject: Clark's Hallman History Posting > Did anyone else miss Clark's posting on the Hallman History? > I would hate for any of you to miss it, as it was so interesting. > Please let me know if you did miss it. I sent it on to Doris and > Bill already. > > Faith > faith@verdenet.com > > > >

Hi Faith, Yes, I would like instructions for checking potential Y2K problems. I really enjoy all the postings. However, I still have not been able to uncover the mystery surrounding Susannah Hallman, who married David Marple, early 1700's in Philadelphia, PA. Thank You Dorothy

Hi Hallmans: I'm posting this as an FYI. There was an obituary in the Pottstown (PA) Mercury this week for Robert Anders Hallman, 71, who died in Nashville, TN on Sunday after a long battle with cancer. Born in Royersford (PA), he was the son of Susan and Jacob Hallman. He is survived by one brother, Ralph Anders Hallman of Satsuma, FL, two sisters, Mary Anders Conway of Phoenixville (PA) and Grace Anders Smartt of Ripon CA. Mother's maiden name was probably Anders. Doris

Faith: I didn't see Clark's posting. Could you send in to me. Thanks. Doris

Nancy: My husband is also descended from Anthony and Henry (from his first wife, Anna Maria ???). I have a copy of a microfilm listing that was gotten from the Montgomery County Historical Society in Norristown, PA that lists family members. According to that listing, Henry, son of Henry & Anna Maria Hallmas was born on 3/24/1745. That is the only information given for him. This listing indicates that Anna Catherine (b. 8/7/1739 was married to Jacob Griesemer on 1/18/1759. They were married by Rev. George Weiss in the Goshenhoppen Church. It does not list a date of date for her. If Henry was born in 1745, it would have been hard for him to father Anthony in 1755. There must be some dates wrong somewhere. Do you have any information about Henry's mother, Anna Maria? I don't know her maiden name or have any dates for her. Other children of Henry & Anna Maria were: Anna Christiana b. 1741 married Jacob Schneider Henry (#1) b. 1742 d. 9/29/1745 Anthony b. 11/8/1742 d. 12/3/1794 married Mary Streyper Anna Maria b. 8/15/1747 married Mathias Ritter on 10/30/1768 The first Henry also had 13 children with his second wife, Anna Maria Berson. Doris

I too missed Clark's posting and would love to read it. Thanks, Angela Hallman ----- Original Message ----- From: Faith Hutchings <faith@verdenet.com> To: <HALLMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 3:05 PM Subject: Clark's Hallman History Posting > Did anyone else miss Clark's posting on the Hallman History? > I would hate for any of you to miss it, as it was so interesting. > Please let me know if you did miss it. I sent it on to Doris and > Bill already. > > Faith > faith@verdenet.com > > > >