This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------13C2924F70C7123FCA202D44 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Hallman's" This came through the Montgomery County, PA mailing list. It talks about Anthony Hallman and Christina who married "Mr. Leffeber." Doris --------------13C2924F70C7123FCA202D44 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <PAMONTGO-L-request@rootsweb.com> Delivered-To: midwig@mail.ptd.net Received: (qmail 23517 invoked from network); 12 Sep 1999 16:31:48 -0000 Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (204.212.38.30) by mail.ptd.net with SMTP; 12 Sep 1999 16:31:48 -0000 Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15546; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 09:30:33 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 09:30:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199909121630.MAA949098@pimout2-int.prodigy.net> From: "GENE B ROOKS" <GENEROOKS@prodigy.net> Old-To: <pamontgo-l@rootsweb.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 12:44:02 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [PAMONTGO-L] Thoughts on Abraham LeFEVER's family Resent-Message-ID: <ny0qMB.A.wyD.oU923@bl-14.rootsweb.com> To: PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/1797 X-Loop: PAMONTGO-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: PAMONTGO-L-request@rootsweb.com There are unanswered questions, a few out and out errors, and some assumptions may never be proved on the family of Abraham LeFEVER of Skippack. One long standing published error had to do with the wife of Johannes LEFEVER, the son of Abraham of Skippack whose will was written in 1729. She had long been identified as a WENTZ, which is one of my families, and I knew there was no such daughter in the family I had. Further research in Genealogical Landmarks and Milestones of the Lower Perkiomen Country, a reprint of The Perkiomen Region, written by Ralph L. Johnson and David Bergey, Adams Apple Press 1992, pages 55-59 gives a rundown on the family of Antonius Heilman/HALLMAN 1671/1759 of Skippack, Philadelphia Co. His will is abstracted there, showing a bequest to his daughter Christiana Leffeber the sum of 500 pounds. This same Antonius Helman and his son-in-law, Richard Jacobs, married to his daughter Barbara, were witnesses in 1729 to the will of our Abraham LEFEVER, and they entered his will for probate in Phila. Co. in 1733. Antonius was born in 1671, Christiana ca. 1705, she was the third of his eight children. It is she, not a Wentz, who married Johannes. Abraham LeFEVER had two other children, daughter Catherine who married a SWITZER, and Elizabeth who married a WINSE/WENTZ. A genealogy of the Peter WENTZ family available at the Peter Wentz Farmstead, state attraction in Worcester, Montgomery Co., PA, contains transcripts of land records of Peter. Among them is the following found in Philadelphia Deeds G 2, p. 199. Aug. 11, 1715, Peter WENS and Lawrence SWISSER bought of William Willis . . . . . 250 acres in New BristolTownship, now Worcester Township, and by Deed of Partition May 1, 1719, between Peter WENS of New Bristol, near Skippack, Co. of Phila, and Lawrence SWISHER, of same, it was agreed that Lawrence SWISHER shall have one-third...adj. land of George COLLET and David Lloyd, and the said Peter WENS shall have an enjoy the remaining two-thirds. Signed Peter WENS Elizabetha WENSIN. This property is of course close to Abraham LeFEVER's own property. Let us go back to 1710, here we find on Vol. 1, page 127 of archives of the Historical Society of Montgomery County, that on October 5, 1710, Joseph PENNOCK and his wife Mary sold to Abraham LeFEBER of Bristol Township, Co. of Phila, ....a tract of 500 acres. On June 6, 1720, Abraham Lefeber, of Bristol, and wife Mary, sold to Lorenz SWITZER of the same place, 100 acres of this 500-acre tract. It should be noted that this 500 acres originally belonged to an Irishman, George COLLETT, who was the father-in-law of Christopher PENNOCK, who was the father of Joseph PENNOCK. Christopher PENNOCK also had a daughter Mary who was born in 1673, and not further followed in PENNOCK genealogies. I do not know the source for stating that the name of Mary, wife of Abraham LeFEVER, is PENNOCK. The page I mentioned above does not state it. It is however, certainly a possibility, but that would make Mary Pennock quite a bit older than Abraham, if he indeed is the son of Isaac LeFEVRE and Jannetje Boudnock born in 1687. This is my real question. Are we looking at the right parents for Abraham of Skippack????? The same above mentioned page 129 states Johannes LeFEBRE was naturalized in 1729. WHY, unless he was an emigrant child with his father Abraham, arriving with the 1708/09/10 ships bringing Huguenots to NY with the blessing of Queen Anne? We don't have anything letting us know exactly when Abraham of Skippack was born, if not the child of Isaac and Jannetje, other than the dates of his own childrens marriages and dates of grandchildren, as nearly as we can figure out. Johannes was an elder of the Skippack Reformed Church in 1728. Did they give that honor to a 20 year old? The first born child of Johannes and Christiana was supposedly born in 1724. Did Johannes marry at 16? Abraham's will would lead one to believe that his two daughters were married to neighbors Peter WENTZ and Lorentz SWITZER, and I do believe they were. Peter's wife was noted as being Elizabeth L. Those two men were buying land at least in 1715, so they were born earlier than 1695. I don't believe Abraham was born as late as 1687, or Johannes as late as 1708, but I am wide open for any facts anyone else has come up with, to figure out who married who, and when. Please keep in mind the LeFEVER family was a large one, members came over from the mid 1600's on through the 1700's, and Abraham was a revered name, used in nearly every branch. OK, I've given a few facts, and asked a whole lot of questions. Can someone add to this puzzle? Gene in Gotha Always seeking ROOKS & BALLENTINE Always seeking ROOKS & BALLENTINE ==== PAMONTGO Mailing List ==== List owner ndwilson@swbell.net ============================== Search the Social Security Death Index online for FREE! http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ The most powerful SSDI search engine on the Internet! --------------13C2924F70C7123FCA202D44--

Hello, all, The Mennonite Historical Committee and Archives has a new website. Their genealogy section is not on-line but they do have some Personal Historical Manuscripts on-line. The ones for the Hallman surnames are not on-line but you might find other ancestor's personal papers among those on-line. This website is from Goshen College (a Mennonite college in Indiana). http://www.goshen.edu/mcarchives/ Faith Hutchings Your List Hostess faith@verdenet.com

To All, Some of you may be interested in this website below which give WW II Casualties. Faith Hutchings http://www.usigs.org/library/military/links/wwii.htm) that I thought some of you might be interested in. If you follow the instructions on this page, you can bring up lists of WWII casualties from ANY state, and then specifically by county!! I thought it was a great site

Connie: I do not have anything in my records concerning the Henry you are seeking. I will continue to look and forward if I find anything. Best, Walt -----Original Message----- From: MAJOR PAUL V RICHARDSON <NPTV77B@prodigy.com> To: HALLMAN-L@rootsweb.com <HALLMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, August 29, 1999 9:39 PM Subject: Re: HALLMAN-D Digest V99 #116 >Walt: > >Thanks so much for sharing the phone numbers for the Hallman Family >Association! My 2G-grandfather was Henry S. Hallman (b. 1819 >Evansburg, Montgomery County, PA -1899) and I'm still unable to get >him firmly documented in the lineage despite valiant attempts by >Doris, Edie, and others. I keep shaking the family tree in hopes that >someday I'll find someone who can provide better identification - the >man certainly didn't just appear under a cabbage leaf :) Oh the joys >and puzzles of genealogy. Connie >

To All, Rootsweb's Guide to Tracing Family Trees Lesson No. 12, is a good reference for what is considered *Primary Records* as opposed to *Secondary Records* in Genealogy research. If you haven't already seen it on Julie Case's RootsWeb Review Vol. 2, No. 35, you can check it out at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~rwguide/lesson12.htm Faith Hutchings Your List Hostess faith@verdenet.com

Connie, I have too many Henrys to check for you, and the dates don't help. Can you either give me children of your Henry Hallman or siblings? Elise

Hello, All, Some of you might be interested in checking this website below. I copied this message from the Menno-Roots List. Faith Hutchings faith@verdenet.com The five volumes of the _Mennonite Encyclopedia_ are very expensive. Herald Press has given permission for any or all of the encyclopedia articles to be added to the _Canadian Mennonite Encylopedia_ website. http://www.mhsc.ca/encyclopedia/cme.html Sam Steiner, Archivist at Conrad Grebel College, Waterloo, is adding new articles (many updated) to this site daily. Given that the funding for this site is Canadian, the Menn Ency articles on US congregations will be limited. However the historical articles on North American Mennonites generally, Anabaptist history, or on Russian, Prussian, villages, people, background to Mennonite names, etc. are all being added to this website. Moreover all the theological and cultural articles can be found here as well. This webpage is well worth examining before you go and spend over $400 US for the 5 volumes (note: the 5th vol contains 996 pages of updated and new articles published in 1990; the other 4 [original] volumes were written and published in the 1950s). The entire set is still worthwhile, but not for everyone! Arnold Neufeldt-Fast Kitchener, ON neufast@sentex.net

Walt: Thanks so much for sharing the phone numbers for the Hallman Family Association! My 2G-grandfather was Henry S. Hallman (b. 1819 Evansburg, Montgomery County, PA -1899) and I'm still unable to get him firmly documented in the lineage despite valiant attempts by Doris, Edie, and others. I keep shaking the family tree in hopes that someday I'll find someone who can provide better identification - the man certainly didn't just appear under a cabbage leaf :) Oh the joys and puzzles of genealogy. Connie

Hello: Can anyone give me any information about Jane Conard? The only information I have is that she was born in PA. She was married to Anthony Hallman (he died 4/11/1891). Their children were Charles Ellis (b. 6/26/1848 d. 8/17/1914) and Mary A. TIA Doris

Yes, there is still a Hallman Family Association. The Hallman's had a reunion on August 15 in Hallman Grove.

Need parents, siblings, place of birth and any other information on Samuel Hallman, b ca 1828, GA, married Matilda Smith(16), dau of Peter Smith, Jr 1850 Talladega Co, AL in part of AL that became Clay co in 1866. most census records show that Samuel's father was born in GA but some say SC. The Smiths came from Henry county GA in late 1840s, Samuel's marriage record shows HOLMAN, 1850 census record HOLIMAN, and HALLMAN thru 1900. Samuel served in co "G" 44th GA inf regiment.

Thanks Faith...I got it ---------- > Has everyone been able to receive the Carolina Hallmans > when it was divided up into 5 sections? Please let me know > if you still didn't receive it. > > Thanks, > Faith Hutchings > Your List Hostess > faith@verdenet.com > >

I recall a Holman from Talledega County that was a 1st Sergeant in one of the Alabama infantry units, CSA, and was killed late in the war. I wonder if he/they are also kin to you. The Talledega kin moved there about the same time that the West Alabama Hallmans migrated. I wonder if they were close kin. I have always supposed so.

Marion Ford and Henry Llewellyn Hallman called themselves Holman, yet their descendants changed to Hallman, and they were originally from West AL . Their Father was Henry Jackson Hallman/Holman of Fayette county that married Sarah Langford sec marriage. Henery's father and mother was Jocab and Elizabeth Hallman from S.C.

have her get in contact with me be glad to help! Still need your family

Hi Doris, The Bergey notes has an Anthony Hallman, son of George Hallman and Sarah Wichel. He listed Anthony Hallman as being married to Jane _______ and their children are listed as Mary A. Hallman and Charles Hallman. Will of Anthony Hallman, will dated , book 20, 475 Whitpain. Wife is deceased. Bequeaths $100 to the following grandchildren: Edward A., Clara H., and Mary H. Landry. 1/6 of balance to the Charles E. Hallman, and the remaining 5/6 to his other grandchildren. His grandson Anthony Hallman is to have hat and clothes brushes. Edward A. Landry my large English Bible. Jane Landry silver spoons. Mary Landry , linens. That's all I have. Hope it helps. Do you think this is the right Anthony? Elise

Nancy: Here are a couple of telephone numbers to help you conect with the Hallman Family Association: (610) 489-7616 Lloyd Hallman and (610) 495-7619 Mary Russell (Secretary, Hallman Family Association). Best Wishes. I'll see what other information I may have. Walt -----Original Message----- From: NCason5032@aol.com <NCason5032@aol.com> To: HALLMAN-L@rootsweb.com <HALLMAN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, August 28, 1999 6:11 PM Subject: Re: HALLMAN-D Digest V99 #116 >Faith, thanks for the posting of Clark's Hallman History. It is so >interesting. And thanks to Walt and others who answered my query about Henry >Hallman. I feel that the Henry who was born on 24 Mar 1745 is the one who >migrated to North Carolina, but evidently I am not able to nail it down. >Does anyone know of another Henry who was born in Pennsylvania around that >time? If I am connecting Henry to the wrong family, I want to find that >out. I did not have his birth date before I heard from Walt and Doris. >Thanks to both of you, and all who answered my posting. >The facts I know: A Henry Hallman appeared in North Carolina in the 1760's. >He bought property, and one of the deeds says he was from Philadelphia, >Pennsylvania. He sells the property to Anthony Hallman, also from >Pennsylvania. An Anthony Hallman was married in Rowan County NC in 1774. >Both these men had extensive land holdings and were prominent in court >proceedings of the day. >Who were they? Were they father and son, or some other relationship? If >Henry was born in 1745, and his son married in 1774, they both married very >young indeed. Possible, but not too probable. >By the way, is there still a Hallman Family Association? > >Nancy in Texas >

Did not receive it here. I'm part of the Hallman's from S.C. and from all the info i have the Holman's/Hallman's are the same. Howard Hallman

Howard, sounds like this lady in TX could probably use your help. Mark H.

It appears from my research that the Holmans who changed thir name to Hallman are related, as far as the Alabama Hallmans go, and are derived from the SC Hallmans. The ones who were in Tennessee were not related to us, again, as far as I can tell. The Holmans of Texas and Oklahoma that migrated early i e before or just after the War from Alabama tended to not change their name, or did so long after the rest, for example, Marion Ford and Henry Llewellyn Hallman called themselves Holman, yet their descendants changed to Hallman, and they were originally from West AL There was a group of Holmans who settled in East Alabama, Talledega County, that were from SC and some never did change. This old boy is related to us, I'll bet. If he can tell me where in AL his people settled and especially when, I guess we'll be able to help.