Some of you may be interested to know that presently, the <ancestry.com> databases can be accessed for a month free, if you sign up this week. Happy New Year Edie

Hi, Hallmans, After New Year's, I'll send out a new idea for you-all to latch on to and WAKE UP our list again. I'll let you have the holidays off! I copied the below on Obits, etc. to help you determine what can be reprinted on recent obits. If the obit, etc. is from years ago--ie.early 1900s, 1800s, I don't believe there is any concern about copyrights. See you all in 1999! Don't forget, you U.S. folks, that stamps go up to 33 cents on Jan. 10. Aren't we glad we're on e-mail? Faith Hutchings Your List Owner faith@verdenet.com What is the RootsWeb/GenConnect policy on posts like this [obits]? Isn't this material subject to the newspaper's copyright? I haven't looked at the obits in question, but to answer your specific question, here's what I found when I checked with my local newspaper ..... >>I've been in contact with both Bill Weathers, editor of the Cincinnati Post (1-513-352-2780 - fax:1-513-621-3962) and his managing editor, Bob Craft, who confirmed what Bill told me..... I asked them about obituaries and copyrights, and here is what they said ..... "Death Notices" written by a family member, or "Story Death Notices" (biographical in nature) carrying a byline ARE copyrighted, and cannot be reproduced in whole without permission of the copyright holder .... in both cases it's usually the newspaper who holds the copyright. "Abstracts" of these two types of Death notices require no permission, and are not copyright infringements. Copyrighted pieces generally either carry a byline, or includes a picture. (these two items are clearly "red flags".) "Boilerplate" obits ..... of the form LUCILLE BENTON, 92 Lucille Benton of Walton, beloved mother of ___, died Dec. 24, 1997. She had been a lifelong member of .. Survivors include [blah blah blha] Chambers and Grubbs Funeral home was in charge of arrangements.Burial was in Richmond Cemetery. ..... are NOT copyrighted, and may be reproduced in whole without permission. These types appear in groupings, and carry neither a byline nor a picture.>> So basically, if there's no byline or picture with the original obit, it's not likely to be a copyright infringement. I should note that there's no distinction based on what you call them ..... obituary, death notice, etc. What matters is whether it's "boilerplate" or not. Hope this helps.

Hi, all Hallmans, I copied and pasted this from another List. Hope it expresses your feelings as a genealogist, and it seems appropriate for the Holiday Season. Faith Hutchings "I saw behind me those who had gone, and before me those who are to come. I looked back and saw my father and his father and all our fathers, and in front to see my son and his son, and the sons upon sons beyond. And their eyes were my eyes. As I felt so they had felt, and were to feel, as then, so now, as tomorrow and forever. Then I was not afraid, for I was in a long line that had no beginning and no end. And the hand of his father grasped my father's hand and his hand was in mine, and my unborn son took my right hand and all, up and down the line that stretched from Time That Was to Time That Is and Is Not Yet, raised their hands to show the link. And we found that we were one, born of Woman, Son of Man, made in the Image, fashioned in the womb by the Will of God, the Eternal Father." -- from "How Green Was My Valley" by Richard Llewellyn Happiest of Holiday Wishes - Christmas 1998

"Twas the night before Christmas when all through the house Not a creature was stirring, not even my spouse. The dining room table with clutter was spread With pedigree charts and with letters which said... "Too bad about the data for which you wrote Sank in a storm on an ill fated boat." Stacks of old copies of wills and the such Were proof that my work had become much to much. Our children were nestled all snug in their beds, While visions of sugarplums danced in their heads. And I at my table was ready to drop From work on my album with photos to crop. Christmas was here, and of such was my lot That presents and goodies and toys I forgot. Had I not been so busy with grandparent's wills, I'd not have forgotten to shop for such thrills. While others had bought gifts that would bring Christmas cheer; I'd spent time researching those birthdates and years. While I was thus musing about my sad plight, A strange noise on the lawn gave me such a great fright. Away to the window I flew in a flash, Tore open the drapes and I yanked up the sash. When what to my wondering eyes should appear? But an overstuffed sleigh and eight small reindeer. Up to the housetop the reindeer they flew, With a sleigh full of toys, and old Santa Claus too. And then in a twinkle, I heard on the roof The prancing and pawing of thirty-two hoofs. The TV antenna was no match for their horns, And look at our roof with hoof-prints adorned. As I drew in my head, and bumped it on the sash, Down the cold chimney fell Santa - KER-RASH! "Dear" Santa had come from the roof in a wreck, And tracked soot on the carpet, (I could wring his short neck!) Spotting my face, good old Santa could see I had no Christmas spirit you'd have to agree. He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work And filled all the stockings, (I felt like a jerk). Here was Santa, who'd brought us such gladness and joy; When I'd been too busy for even one toy. He spied my research on the table all spread "A genealogist!" He cried! (My face was all red!) "Tonight I've met many like you", Santa grinned. As he pulled from his sack a large book he had penned. I gazed with amazement - the cover it read "Genealogy Lines for Which You Have Plead." "I know what it's like as a genealogy bug," He said as he gave me a a great Santa Hug. "While the elves make the sleighful of toys I now carry, I do some research in the North Pole Library! A special treat I am thus able to bring, To genealogy folks who can't find a thing. Now off you go to your bed for a rest, I'll clean up the house from this genealogy mess." As I climbed up the stairs full of gladness and glee, I looked back at Santa who'd brought much to me. While settling in bed, I heard Santa's clear whistle, To his team which then rose like the down of a thistle And I heard him exclaim as he flew out of sight, "Family History is Fun! Merry Christmas! Goodnight!"

Hello, Hallmans, Our list has been closed now to all non-subscribers. This will not affect you, as you're all subscribers, but it will keep others from sending messages to our list without subscribing. Rootsweb management had to do this as the volume of spam that was being sent through had reached a phenomenal level, and our Rootsweb spam protector was spending most of his time just stopping spam from reaching you--the subscribers--rather than improving the system. If you have a problem with this, please send a message to my e-mail address below. Thanks for your understanding. Faith Hutchings Your List owner faith@verdenet.com

Hi, all Hallmans, I'm hoping someone on our list can help Ed Hagerty (see his message on 12/09) identify his Billy Hallman, husband of Ed's Great-aunt Myra, the actress. It would be nice to find out that his Billy Hallman is the same Billy Hallman, who was a former pro baseball star and vaudville actor. Welcome to our list, Ed! It's too bad you can't give us some information on Billy's parents, grandparents, etc., to help us identify him. Faith Hutchings List owner faith@verdenet.com

I was amazed when I saw there was a listing in Pennsylvania for the name Hallman in the weekly Rootsweb mailing. The Hallman's are a missing link to finding out about my Grand-aunt Myra L. Donnelly Hallman, who died in 1929 at the age of 45. She was the black sheep of the Donnelly family up in Connecticut because she was an actress from the time of her mother's death in 1909 to the time of her death. It has always been believed that she acted in silent films and may have traveled out to the west coast for a while, we know she was a friend of several of the top comedic actors of the silent film era. It does appear that the lived in Philly for a most of her last 10 years, even ran a boarding house on Vine Street. The Hallman connection is mentioned on her death certificate, stating that her husband was a Billy Hallman. I know there was a Billy Hallman, a former pro baseball star involved in vaudville and burlesque and I wonder is he the Billy Hallman is question. Do anything I've said sound familiar to any of you? Ed Hagerty

> Hi All, > My name is Doris Weigner--and I'm not related to the Hallman > family, my husband is. His grandmother was a Hallman, and > both of her grandfathers were Hallmans (Anthony who married > Jane Conard and John R. who married Ann Miller.) Anthony > goes back to Henry and his first wife. John (1815-1886) we > haven't been able to trace any further back. > We live in Montgomery County, PA--very close to where all > the Hallman's lived, so we've seen the plaque with Anthony's > name on it over the doorway of the old Augustus Lutheran > Church in Trappe and have been to the cemetery where Anthony > and Maria are buried. > I've been working on genealogy for years. For some reason > I've been more successful with Harry's family than with > mine. I guess they must have kept better records. The fact > that the Weigner's were Schwenkfelders helped since that > family published a book in 1920 on the families that arrived > in Philadelphia in 1734. I've tried, with some success, to > get his dad's family to help me get them "current." It is a > struggle, since not everyone is as enthused as I am. > My most exciting genealogical event happened several years > ago. I was in a local cemetery looking for graves of > relatives who I knew were buried there. I was going up and > down the rows and found the graves of my maternal > great-great grandparents. I had no idea that they were > buried there, so I was really excited to find their stones. > I think we'd be interested in attending the Hallman Family > Reunion in August. My father-in-law remembers his mother > going. > Other lines that I am researching are: Baleski, Bodnar, > Crump, Dunlap, Godwin, Holmes, Kay, Leader, Lilley, Severy > and Walker.

Hello Hallmans: Sorry I didn't post this last week, but we were in California visiting our two daughters. I am Dick Hallman and my wife Ruth and I have been retired and living in Las Vegas, Nv. in Sun City for almost five years. The weather's great and although there are a few warm moments in the summer, it's quite bearable. It's a low cost place to live and no state income taxes. My connection to the Hallmans comes from Anthony, Henry, Benjamin, Benjamin II, Joseph, Benjamin C., Addison Eby, and Watson Eby, my father. My grandfather, Addison emigrated from the New Dundee, Ont area just before 1900 to Aurora, Illinois where I grew up. I graduated from Beloit College in Beloit, WI. in 1951 and worked for the Schlitz Brewing Co. and Coors Brewing Co. before retiring. We lived in a number of places in Illinois, Milwaukee, WI., and in the San Fernando Valley in California. We also lived in Salt Lake City, UT., and then in Mission Viejo, CA. My genealogy experience hasn't been a long one, but with the internet availability, I keep getting more involved. So far, my greatest experience has been receiving a copy of the update of the "Hallman Family History in Canada" which was done by Joan Hallman in the early 1990's and this was made possible by Faith Hutchings. Through the update, I was able to obtain much information on my grandfather's brothers and sisters and their families. Hopefully, through the Hallman listing, I'll be able to verify more names and dates and learn more from all of you. Wishing you a happy Holiday and New Years. Dick Hallman

Hi, All Hallmans, My Server was down for at least a day. Did anyone send me an e-mail that was returned to you. I heard from one person who said his mail to me was returned to him. If you did get mail returned, please send it again. Thanks. I'm glad you are continuing to send your Get Acquainted Messages. This has been so interesting to me to learn who you all are, and in what part of the world you live! I had no idea Dr. Rauch, for instance, was German born and lives in Japan. If you don't mind, Dr. Rauch, I will forward your HALLMAN message to the ROSENBERGER list as I know they will find it interesting, too. Until later, Faith Hutchings Your List owner faith@verdenet.com

>Hi: > >My name is Jim Throne from Stewartstown, Pa which is located in south >central Pa. My ancestor "Thron" came from Germany to this county (York) in >1732. I got interested in my >family history when a friend was telling me about the SAR ( sons of the >American Revolution ) this gave me challenge to determine if any had served >in the American Revolution. To this date I have confirmed 5 ancestors having >served. I was hoping that one of the HALLMAN family in my line may have >served in the American Revolution; however, to date I have not been able to >confirm. > >My wife and I are empty nesters since our 5 children are grown and all live >on their own. We have our own business Throne & Company which provides >private investment banking services. > >I am glad to be a part of this group and look forward to further >communicating. > >Best Regards, >Jim Throne >

-----Original Message----- From: James P. Throne <throneco@netrax.net> To: Faith Hutchings <faith@verdenet.com> Date: Sunday, November 29, 1998 8:54 AM Subject: Re: Get Acquainted Week! >Hi: > >My name is Jim Throne from Stewartstown, Pa which is located in south >central Pa. My ancestor "Thron" came from Germany to this county (York) in >1732. I got interested in my >family history when a friend was telling me about the SAR ( sons of the >American Revolution ) this gave me challenge to determine if any had served >in the American Revolution. To this date I have confirmed 5 ancestors having >served. I was hoping that one of the HALLMAN family in my line may have >served in the American Revolution; however, to date I have not been able to >confirm. > >My wife and I are empty nesters since our 5 children are grown and all live >on their own. We have our own business Throne & Company which provides >private investment banking services. > >I am glad to be a part of this group and look forward to further >communicating. > >Best Regards, >Jim Throne >

Hi All, I was somewhat doubting if I should introduce myself, as I see that most of this group are from one of North American countries USA and Canada, a subcontinent where I have never been and even have no plans to visit for the time being. So I feel somewhat lonely on these lists, which look to me like rather closed American family circles. I am Michael Rauck from Munich, Germany. My mother was a Heilmann, of the Heilmann & Littmann firm (now under the name "Heilit & Woerner AG" part of the Walter group), but our family are not connected to that firm any more. One of the Heilmann ancestors had a Rosenberger wife. Both Heilmann and Rosenberger families are from Geiselbach in the Kahlgrund area of Lower Franconia, which was under the Selgenstadt Abbey in former centuries. All were, at least nominally, Roman Catholics. And our Heilmann family is, unlike my ggrandfather claimed, not related to the famous Alsatian Heilmanns (Josua etc.). Unlike me, my great-grandfather Heilmann, his wife, my grandfather Heilmann (even before WW I) and my father (in 1964) and sister had visited at least the USA on several occasions. Now as to me: I am near 42, married with Weiling seven years ago. She is a native from Guangzhou, PRC. I used to be a teacher at a vocational school for business/administrative jobs. Later, I took my doctorate in Economics and went to Tokyo Metropolitan University almost 10 years ago. At the moment, I am an Associate Professor for European Economics at Okayama University, one of the larger national Universities in the West of Honshu. After my wife arrived at Japan from Germany, she was doing her Master's degree in Economics (accounting), and then worked for a while for a trading company in Okayama (quite unthinkable working conditions for a university graduate from the German view, especially as to vacation). We like to travel a lot, I have been to most East Asian and South East Asian countries. What we do not like in Japan is that we have to take a plane so often, so sometimes we take a ferry, though we have to leave car and motorcycle behind in Japan, anyway. By the way, recently, inspired by Faith, I have started a little Forum on the Rauck family under http://www.egroups.com/list/rauck. Best regards Michael Rauck Rosenberger and Heilmann are not so rare names, the German phone directory lists 3532 Rosenberger and 4684 Heilmann and 2263 Hallmann in various areas.

Hi, All, Since this week was Thanksgiving week and I know you were all busy getting ready for the holiday, shopping, etc., I thought it would be a good idea to extend the Get Acquainted Week through this next week, yet. That will give all you "hangers-on" a chance to send your messages through. We sure are enjoying reading everyone's! Again--all you need to do is introduce yourself--give your name, the state or province where you live, a little bit about yourself, and what you consider your most important genealogical discovery (this last doesn't have to be HALLMAN connected). Ok, go to it! Thanks, Faith Hutchings Your List owner

Hi, All, Since this week was Thanksgiving week and I know you were all busy getting ready for the holiday, shopping, etc., I thought it would be a good idea to extend the Get Acquainted Week through this next week, yet. That will give all you "hangers-on" a chance to send your messages through. We sure are enjoying reading everyone's! Again--all you need to do is introduce yourself--give your name, the state or province where you live, a little bit about yourself, and what you consider your most important genealogical discovery (this last doesn't have to be HALLMAN connected). Ok, go to it! Thanks, Faith Hutchings Your List owner

>Hi,My name is Michael Cook, I have been doing this for 2 years. My family >had no >information at all about who or were we came from.I have always wanted to >find >out but never took the time. My friend who does this encouraged me to start. > My Maternal side is from Hungary and they are German,these people kept >their >culture like the Amish did here in the U.S.. My Paternal side is another >story. My >Grandfather was killed in 1922 by a truck and took the family history with >him,he >left a widow and 8 children. I founf my Grandmothers maiden name on a >document >and was told by my last surviving sibling of my father that he thinks his >mother lived >on a farm not far from me in another township,this was all I had to go on.I >live in >Mongomery Co. Pa and went to the historical society here to try and find my >Grandmother. Well after 4 hours on the census rolls I found her and her >parents and >her grandmother,who was living with her.That was the start and I found out >that my >ancestors lived and died in the same county that I lived my whole life. > I now have taken some of my line back to Charlemange and other Royals such >as him. My wife's family I have also traced back and have found we are >cousins >back in 1066 by a couple of Monarchs. > I continue to search for some of my line here in Montgomery Co. I have an >elusive >ancestor name Benjamin Mills who seems to have vanished into thin air in >1846. > I connect to Anthony Hallman's daughter Dorothy,she m.Johannes Heizer,their >son >Andrew m.Sarah Zieber. > Well I am glad to be a part of this group and look foward to further >communicating >to you. > Regards, >Mike Cook >

Thank you Connie, Edie and Elise for helping claify Isett/Hallman. Since there are more connections than originally suspected , I am sending the List what I've deduced to this point. It appears Mary Hallman married her Uncle Frederick!, as one put it "she probably caught the eye of some young dandy at Thanksgiving dinner and he waited for her to grow up a bit" Generation No. 1 1. Frederick1 Isett was born Aft. 1716, and died Abt. 1802. He married Rebecca Markley, daughter of Jacob Merckle and Barbara Dotterer. Notes for Frederick Isett: Frederick and his brother Jacob, both under 16, came over on the ship Pennsylvania with a little colony from Rotterdam, including their Lutheran pastor. and arrived at Philadelphia 9-11-1732. It is said their father died on the voyage and their mother married here afterwards. (Name also appears as Isacc) She came over with a large sum of gold and bought farms for both of her sons. Jacob's farm is now included within the Philadelphia city limits with Girard College standing on part of the farm. Frederick's farm was near Trappe and is now known as "Warner Farm" (circa 1923) Children of Frederick Isett and Rebecca Markley are: 2 i. Barbara M2 Isett, born 1757; died June 19, 1835. 3 ii. Jacob M Isett, born 1763. He married Margaret B Hallman. Daughter of Henry Hallman and Anna Marie Bersons + 4 iii. Frederick M Isett, born May 23, 1767 in Upper Providence Twp., Montgomery Co., Penna; died January 29, 1838 in Trappe, Montgomery Co., Penna. 5 iv. Elizabeth M Isett, born August 15, 1769; died December 28, 1836. She married Issac B Hallman. Son of Henry Hallman and Anna Marie Bersons 6 v. Hannah M Isett, born Abt. 1771. Generation No. 2 4. Frederick M2 Isett (Frederick1) was born May 23, 1767 in Upper Providence Twp., Montgomery Co., Penna, and died January 29, 1838 in Trappe, Montgomery Co., Penna. He married Mary G Hallman, daughter of Benjamin Hallman and Fronica Gotwals. Notes for Frederick M Isett: A skilled mechanic, famous as a maker of edged tools. "He prospered, owned his own home and was a man of intelligent, broad mind, and of strictly upright life". Five sons Child of Frederick Isett and Mary Hallman is: 7 i. Frederick H3 Isett, born July 26, 1812; died November 11, 1899.

The founders of the Isett family were Frederick and Jacob, who, with their widowed mother, sailed from Rotterdam in 1732 with a little colony, including their Lutheran pastor. Frederick Isett married Rebecca Markley and had a farm near Trappe in Montgomery Co., Penna. Frederick (2) Isett became a skilled mechanic, famous as a maker of edged tools. He married MARY HALLMAN and they were the parents of five sons. The second son, Frederick was born July 26, 1812 and died November 11, 1899. Does anyone on the list know Mary Hallman's family? Thanks.......and Happy Thanksgiving to all.................Robert

I am the father of 3 teenage children and have been researching my (and my wife's) family history for about 8 years now. I have always had a passing interest in the subject but didn't really get started unitl my dad's aunt passed away. She was the last of her generation and it made me realize my information sources were fast disappearing. My parents always told me that all my ancestors were from Germany, except for my maternal grandmother who was adopted. When I met my wife I was surprised to learn that all her ancestors came from Germany also but in both families no one knew the name of even one German town that they came from! Thus, my first goal was to find out the names of all the towns. In 8 years I have achieved this goal but am working getting copies of the German records to confirm their residence. Other goals I am working on are: 1) Finding the birth parents of my grandmother who was adopted in 1909. I do have her adoption papers that list her birth parents but can find no record of the name in the 1900/1910 census or city directories. 2) Writing a history of the Fuhrman and Forster Company staretd by my great-grandfather. I have created a Webpage for this company at http://pages.prodigy.com/bxrv54a 3) Tracing my Hallman/Hallmann surname back as far as I can in Germany. My ancestors came from Kreis Lauenberg, Hinter-Pommern Germany about 1886 and settled in Chicago. I do have records from this area back to 1825. Family stories tell how the Hallmann's have some connection to Sweden that I would like to confirm. With my everyday work schedule and family activities on the weekends about the only time I have to do research is over my lunch hour. I am very fortunate that in my town I work only 10 minutes from an LDS Family History Library. I also am just as close to the Public Library which has an excellent local history/genealogy room and the ability to rent/loan just about any microfilm I need. ____ John H. Hallman; BXRV54A@Prodigy.com Researching: Hallmann, Krueger, Hoth, Fuhrman, Reschke, Lange, Forster, Rehbein, Klingel, Kuschel, Hubert, Hermann and The Fuhrman & Forster Co.