HATCHER website: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/faq.htm HATCHER DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hatDNA.htm HALL DNA project: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher/hall/HDNAtest.htm "If you can't stand the skeletons, stay out of the closet" - Val D Greenwood To those waiting for the results for 97141 - John, bn c1611 MA, they're in......and a perfect strikeout if you were hoping for a match. John of MA is a E3b1 - This haplogroup is believed to have evolved in the Middle East. It expanded into the Mediterranean during the Pleistocene Neolithic expansion. It is currently distributed around the Mediterranean, southern Europe, and in north and east Africa. I think he must be one of those Phoenicians they keep telling us paddled their canoes across the ocean and carving strange symbols in New England rocks. His closest match to anyone is 2 mutations to a 25m tester and no 37m matches. He is a rare bird indeed. Cheers, Nel