Jim, We have talked in the past and I believe we have determined that we have no connection but I have to tell you..Your Hall's are in the same location as mine are. I have located a land deed dated 8-15-1838 which I thought was my John Hall Jr. but am not satisfied yet if it is or not. Any way this John Hall Jr.'s land on the Jefferson Co. 1876 Plat map shows Jos. Hall, S.E. Hall and D.H. Hall living next door to each other with a Squire Phillips and H. Phillips next to them. The thing is this land was not in Shelby Co., Kentucky but Shelby Co., Indiana. My family line also in Jefferson Co., lived in Madison and Hanover. When you mentioned that your Hall's lived on land below current Madison, Indiana it to peeked my interest. My mother in laws family owned the land which we have always called the bottoms. I don't know if it is the same land you are speaking of. If you have ever been down to Hanover College and you are looking out from what they call lookout point you will see the land our Walkers owned. I have a photo which shows the lands our family owned taken from the Colleges lookout point if you would like a copy. The family always referred to the land as Walker's Landing and my mother in laws grandfather was in charge of keeping the lantern lit for the steam boats to come in and dock. This was right on the Ohio and a main on off site. The land there had been owned buy the Walker's and Shannon's for what seems for ever. At one time our Shannon ancestors owned over 10,000 acres which included lands on both sides of the Ohio river in Indiana and Kentucky. Our Hall's on the 1876 plat map as a point of reference lived in Township 3 N. Range 8 E. sections 11 & 12. My Hall line also came out of Pennsylvania...Allegheny Co., Elizabeth Township. This probably doesn't help you much with the questions you are asking but I can't help but think there has to be a connection with our lines. Family # 6 tester # 33334. Our Hall's came down the Ohio river and settled in Jefferson Co., between 1838 and 1842. These are the dates representing when the last child was born in Pa. and the first child was born in Hanover. Roberta Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 11:53 AM Subject: [HALL] HALL William 1758 MD/VA/PA to KY>IN > My grandfather, Stephen Hall (b. 1871), always contended that our family > was > Scots-Irish, but we have no hard evidence to confirm the family > tradition. > We are deeply grateful to a descendant of William Hall, who submitted DNA > (FTDNA #83216) for analysis, and has been shown to belong to the "I1a" > haplogroup, which could be consistent with a heritage in the British > Isles, since many > migrants to Britain came from northern and northwestern Europe -- some of > them with Viking history. "Scotch-Irish" has been casually used by many > people > over many years so that, despite any true definition of the term, its > meaning has been muddied by mis-use. We don't know exactly what Grandpa > meant. > > Our William Hall is not well-documented during his pre-marriage years. > We > have surmised that he was born around 1755-1758, in the region of > MD/PA/VA, > but we have no concrete evidence of his birthplace. William is listed in > "Roster Soldiers and Patriots of the American Revolution Buried in > Indiana", > Compiled and Edited by Mrs. Roscoe C. O'Byrne; Published by IN DAR 1938: > "Hall, > William b. 1754; d. 4/15/1844; bur. Demaree's graveyard, Government > marked > erected in Manville Cemetery; m. 1781, Sarah ____, d. 1851" > > Although we cannot document exactly where he lived when he was recruited > for > the Pennsylvania Line, he was mustered out of his last service at Fort > Pitt. > William Hall enlisted in a company commanded by Capt. Swearingin in the > 18th Regiment of the Pennsylvania line for 18 months. He had been at the > battles > of Bunker Hill, White Plains, Fort Washington, Fort Lee, Trenton, and > Brandywine and Paoli, under a former enlistment. He served with Captain > Long, in > the 5th Pennsylvania. Regiment Continental Army. It's good to remember > that > this entire PA/VA/MD thing near the borders is really sticky until after > the > Revolution. When a PA recruiter came to get men for the military, they > would > tell him that they were from VA, or MD, and vice-versa. sometimes they > didn't > even know, themselves. In addition, Swearingen was known to have > recruited > troops from some considerable distance from the organization-point in > southwestern Pennsylvania. William's pension file indicates that certain > information > was taken from a family bible, which seems to have disappeared. In an > affidavit, William Hall swore on 15 Apr. 1835 in support of Levi House’s > Revolutionary War pension application that he had known House since he > (William) was > 13 or 14 years old, which would have been around 1770, give or take a > year or > two. Levi House was the son of John Valentine House, companion of noted > trader Israel Friend. The elder House lived in and around Frederick Co > MD and > Frederick Co VA into the late 1760s. > > Our William Hall was married to Sarah, whose surname remains unknown. > Sarah > is enumerated in 1850, at age 95, in the household of her son-in-law, > Christian Bear, in Milton Twp, Jefferson Co IN, page 387/194. That entry > notes her > birthplace as Maryland. We can't be sure when they were married, because > no known document exists, beyond an unproven, perhaps coincidental > listing, > between a William Hall and Sarah, in "Central Pennsylvania Marriages > 1700-1896", > compiled by Charles A. Fisher (Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc) William > is noted as being from "(8th Pa.)" -- perhaps a misprint for "18th". > > Although there are several mentions of William Halls in Kentucky during > the > last two decades of the 1700s, it's difficult to document that it's > specifically our William Hall in Mercer, Franklin, or Shelby counties. > Certainly, the > 1850 census indicates that William and Sarah's eldest son, John, was born > in > 1781 in Kentucky, as do his children who survived until the 1880 census, > but > we've seen many instances of errors in such enumerations. For example, > several of Squire Hall's (b.1789) children report that he was born in > Indiana -- > not likely, since the earliest that these Halls might possibly have been > in > Indiana would have been 1803. Does anyone have any more solid information > concerning when William and Sarah came to Kentucky? Is there any document > other > than the census to indicate where John, Ellender, and Squire Hall were > born? > > William Hall b.1755-58 d. 1844 > +Sarah b: abt 1762 in MD d: Feb 1851 > John Hall b: 19 Dec, 1781 in KY + Elizabeth House b: 14 Aug, 1785 > Elender Hall b: 29 May, 1786 +Aquilla Standiford > Squire Hall b: 13 Feb, 1789 +Delila Underwood -- *2nd Wife of Squire > Hall: > +(Sally) > Catherine Hall b: 10 Apr, 1791 > Elizabeth Hall b: 09 Aug, 1793 > Polly Hall b: 08 Nov, 1795 + Zachariah Hall (said to be no relation) > Phebe Hall b: Oct 1797 +John Bulfin > Nancy Hall b: 09 Sep, 1799 in IN +Christian Bear b. abt 1795 > Henry Hall b. abt 1795 +Rebecca Hankins > Sarah Hall b. 10 Feb 1805 +Presley Phillips > > It's clear from other documents that William Hall and his family moved > from > Shelby Co KY northward into southeastern Indiana during the first decade > of > the 1800s, and that he and his sons were the first squatters on the > bottom > lands below current Madison Indiana. Much evidence of William Hall and > his > family have survived from the 1800s, but we are currently concerned about > discovering William's birthplace and marriage, as well as the surname of > his wife, > Sarah. I am grateful to other generous researchers who have pursued this > family and shared their information -- Ethel Hall Patrick (my late > mother), Mr. > Ben Hall, Ms. Corinne Hanna, and the astute scholar of southeastern > Indiana > genealogy, Mr. Bob Scott, among many others. > > Regards, > Jim Patrick > > > Researching 4 distinct lines: > > 1. Hall & House (MD>PA>KY>IN), Presley (MD?,PA? KY>IN), Banta > (NJ>KY>IN>IL?), Britton (Eng>OH>IN), Brighton (Jay, Grant Co IN), Wetzel > (Ger>OH>IN), > Danner (GER>PA>VA>OH>IN), Pherigo (KY>IN), Fallis, and Demarest > (FR>Eng>NJ>KY) > > 2. Patrick (PA>NC>IN), Abel/Abell/Able (MD?>KY>IN), Beatty (VA>OH>IN), > Shumway (NY>IN), Downs (OH>IN), Brown (MA>VT?>NY>OH>IN), Rockwell, > (NS>CT>NY), > Barney (MA>NY), Shidler, Holman, Jacobs (PA>NC>IN>OH), Dowden, Cheyney, > Gaither > > 3. Groutage (Eng>CO>IL), Fletcher (Eng>IL), Raybould (Eng), Salisbury, > Baker, Bucy, Freeman (NY>IL), Mendenhall, Clark, Plate, Gustine > (NY>OH>IL) > > 4. Brown (VA>TN>IN>IL), Spears (KY?>NC?>TN), Tackett (NC?>KY?>TN), > Casteel > (Native American? PA?>NC>TN), Sherrill (NC>TN>IL), Payne, Trobaugh > (PA>VA>TN>IN>IL), Hull (PA>VA>TN), Shields, Lingenfelter (PA>IL), Isom > > > > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's > hottest > products. > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Roberta, Maybe you can help. My Halls are also from this area but I've hit a brick wall. I find August(us) Hall in 1860 when he married Elizabeth Mason in Carroll Co, Ky. August was born in 1825 somewhere in Indiana. Does anybody have this Hall member in their line? Thanks, Amy Hall McLeod [email protected] Jhall <[email protected]> wrote: Jim, We have talked in the past and I believe we have determined that we have no connection but I have to tell you..Your Hall's are in the same location as mine are. I have located a land deed dated 8-15-1838 which I thought was my John Hall Jr. but am not satisfied yet if it is or not. Any way this John Hall Jr.'s land on the Jefferson Co. 1876 Plat map shows Jos. Hall, S.E. Hall and D.H. Hall living next door to each other with a Squire Phillips and H. Phillips next to them. The thing is this land was not in Shelby Co., Kentucky but Shelby Co., Indiana. My family line also in Jefferson Co., lived in Madison and Hanover. When you mentioned that your Hall's lived on land below current Madison, Indiana it to peeked my interest. My mother in laws family owned the land which we have always called the bottoms. I don't know if it is the same land you are speaking of. If you have ever been down to Hanover College and you are looking out from what they call lookout point you will see the land our Walkers owned. I have a photo which shows the lands our family owned taken from the Colleges lookout point if you would like a copy. The family always referred to the land as Walker's Landing and my mother in laws grandfather was in charge of keeping the lantern lit for the steam boats to come in and dock. This was right on the Ohio and a main on off site. The land there had been owned buy the Walker's and Shannon's for what seems for ever. At one time our Shannon ancestors owned over 10,000 acres which included lands on both sides of the Ohio river in Indiana and Kentucky. Our Hall's on the 1876 plat map as a point of reference lived in Township 3 N. Range 8 E. sections 11 & 12. My Hall line also came out of Pennsylvania...Allegheny Co., Elizabeth Township. This probably doesn't help you much with the questions you are asking but I can't help but think there has to be a connection with our lines. Family # 6 tester # 33334. Our Hall's came down the Ohio river and settled in Jefferson Co., between 1838 and 1842. These are the dates representing when the last child was born in Pa. and the first child was born in Hanover. Roberta Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 11:53 AM Subject: [HALL] HALL William 1758 MD/VA/PA to KY>IN > My grandfather, Stephen Hall (b. 1871), always contended that our family > was > Scots-Irish, but we have no hard evidence to confirm the family > tradition. > We are deeply grateful to a descendant of William Hall, who submitted DNA > (FTDNA #83216) for analysis, and has been shown to belong to the "I1a" > haplogroup, which could be consistent with a heritage in the British > Isles, since many > migrants to Britain came from northern and northwestern Europe -- some of > them with Viking history. "Scotch-Irish" has been casually used by many > people > over many years so that, despite any true definition of the term, its > meaning has been muddied by mis-use. We don't know exactly what Grandpa > meant. > > Our William Hall is not well-documented during his pre-marriage years. > We > have surmised that he was born around 1755-1758, in the region of > MD/PA/VA, > but we have no concrete evidence of his birthplace. William is listed in > "Roster Soldiers and Patriots of the American Revolution Buried in > Indiana", > Compiled and Edited by Mrs. Roscoe C. O'Byrne; Published by IN DAR 1938: > "Hall, > William b. 1754; d. 4/15/1844; bur. Demaree's graveyard, Government > marked > erected in Manville Cemetery; m. 1781, Sarah ____, d. 1851" > > Although we cannot document exactly where he lived when he was recruited > for > the Pennsylvania Line, he was mustered out of his last service at Fort > Pitt. > William Hall enlisted in a company commanded by Capt. Swearingin in the > 18th Regiment of the Pennsylvania line for 18 months. He had been at the > battles > of Bunker Hill, White Plains, Fort Washington, Fort Lee, Trenton, and > Brandywine and Paoli, under a former enlistment. He served with Captain > Long, in > the 5th Pennsylvania. Regiment Continental Army. It's good to remember > that > this entire PA/VA/MD thing near the borders is really sticky until after > the > Revolution. When a PA recruiter came to get men for the military, they > would > tell him that they were from VA, or MD, and vice-versa. sometimes they > didn't > even know, themselves. In addition, Swearingen was known to have > recruited > troops from some considerable distance from the organization-point in > southwestern Pennsylvania. William's pension file indicates that certain > information > was taken from a family bible, which seems to have disappeared. In an > affidavit, William Hall swore on 15 Apr. 1835 in support of Levi House’s > Revolutionary War pension application that he had known House since he > (William) was > 13 or 14 years old, which would have been around 1770, give or take a > year or > two. Levi House was the son of John Valentine House, companion of noted > trader Israel Friend. The elder House lived in and around Frederick Co > MD and > Frederick Co VA into the late 1760s. > > Our William Hall was married to Sarah, whose surname remains unknown. > Sarah > is enumerated in 1850, at age 95, in the household of her son-in-law, > Christian Bear, in Milton Twp, Jefferson Co IN, page 387/194. That entry > notes her > birthplace as Maryland. We can't be sure when they were married, because > no known document exists, beyond an unproven, perhaps coincidental > listing, > between a William Hall and Sarah, in "Central Pennsylvania Marriages > 1700-1896", > compiled by Charles A. Fisher (Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc) William > is noted as being from "(8th Pa.)" -- perhaps a misprint for "18th". > > Although there are several mentions of William Halls in Kentucky during > the > last two decades of the 1700s, it's difficult to document that it's > specifically our William Hall in Mercer, Franklin, or Shelby counties. > Certainly, the > 1850 census indicates that William and Sarah's eldest son, John, was born > in > 1781 in Kentucky, as do his children who survived until the 1880 census, > but > we've seen many instances of errors in such enumerations. For example, > several of Squire Hall's (b.1789) children report that he was born in > Indiana -- > not likely, since the earliest that these Halls might possibly have been > in > Indiana would have been 1803. Does anyone have any more solid information > concerning when William and Sarah came to Kentucky? Is there any document > other > than the census to indicate where John, Ellender, and Squire Hall were > born? > > William Hall b.1755-58 d. 1844 > +Sarah b: abt 1762 in MD d: Feb 1851 > John Hall b: 19 Dec, 1781 in KY + Elizabeth House b: 14 Aug, 1785 > Elender Hall b: 29 May, 1786 +Aquilla Standiford > Squire Hall b: 13 Feb, 1789 +Delila Underwood -- *2nd Wife of Squire > Hall: > +(Sally) > Catherine Hall b: 10 Apr, 1791 > Elizabeth Hall b: 09 Aug, 1793 > Polly Hall b: 08 Nov, 1795 + Zachariah Hall (said to be no relation) > Phebe Hall b: Oct 1797 +John Bulfin > Nancy Hall b: 09 Sep, 1799 in IN +Christian Bear b. abt 1795 > Henry Hall b. abt 1795 +Rebecca Hankins > Sarah Hall b. 10 Feb 1805 +Presley Phillips > > It's clear from other documents that William Hall and his family moved > from > Shelby Co KY northward into southeastern Indiana during the first decade > of > the 1800s, and that he and his sons were the first squatters on the > bottom > lands below current Madison Indiana. Much evidence of William Hall and > his > family have survived from the 1800s, but we are currently concerned about > discovering William's birthplace and marriage, as well as the surname of > his wife, > Sarah. I am grateful to other generous researchers who have pursued this > family and shared their information -- Ethel Hall Patrick (my late > mother), Mr. > Ben Hall, Ms. Corinne Hanna, and the astute scholar of southeastern > Indiana > genealogy, Mr. Bob Scott, among many others. > > Regards, > Jim Patrick > > > Researching 4 distinct lines: > > 1. Hall & House (MD>PA>KY>IN), Presley (MD?,PA? KY>IN), Banta > (NJ>KY>IN>IL?), Britton (Eng>OH>IN), Brighton (Jay, Grant Co IN), Wetzel > (Ger>OH>IN), > Danner (GER>PA>VA>OH>IN), Pherigo (KY>IN), Fallis, and Demarest > (FR>Eng>NJ>KY) > > 2. Patrick (PA>NC>IN), Abel/Abell/Able (MD?>KY>IN), Beatty (VA>OH>IN), > Shumway (NY>IN), Downs (OH>IN), Brown (MA>VT?>NY>OH>IN), Rockwell, > (NS>CT>NY), > Barney (MA>NY), Shidler, Holman, Jacobs (PA>NC>IN>OH), Dowden, Cheyney, > Gaither > > 3. Groutage (Eng>CO>IL), Fletcher (Eng>IL), Raybould (Eng), Salisbury, > Baker, Bucy, Freeman (NY>IL), Mendenhall, Clark, Plate, Gustine > (NY>OH>IL) > > 4. Brown (VA>TN>IN>IL), Spears (KY?>NC?>TN), Tackett (NC?>KY?>TN), > Casteel > (Native American? PA?>NC>TN), Sherrill (NC>TN>IL), Payne, Trobaugh > (PA>VA>TN>IN>IL), Hull (PA>VA>TN), Shields, Lingenfelter (PA>IL), Isom > > > > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's > hottest > products. > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage.