You asked: PS: If we ban DNA discussions from the list, would this message not be allowed? I'd like a chance to have one say, then I'll butt out. Having stuck with this list and deleted most of the messages for a very long time, I've made the following observation. It is mainly the males of this list who are involved with DNA. Remember.females are excluded! So, when I notice all the upheaval over DNA, it's usually male/female split. Yes, a few females favor DNA stuff, but it is boring to those of us who have no living male relatives who are willing to be tested. Is it that hard to figure out? Guys can DNA all day long, but most females are stuck with the conventional genealogical tools. WHY our DNA should be so different, I have NO clue! But, it DOES make the female Hall feel more than discriminated against. Thanks for letting me say this. Mary Hall Marshall (just as much a Hall as the rest of you)