Funny, I have been so busy lately I haven't been reading many of the posts. Yet I'm a direct line Hall too (my maiden name). I sure have Hall stories to tell about those men. Yet through my gen research I have learned what made them tick, (somewhat). Mine were all southern Baptists, raised hard and stern. They then all thought, "Oh, you gotta do that". And it made them the way I just read in Jesse's message. Since they had to "give all" to their fathers they would then expect the same. My dad rebelled early escaping in World War 2 then moving to California yet it never changed his nature or "guilt". I lost him early (I was 22) and through my gen quest learned to forgive him and see the good, (not glossing over the bad, merely understanding it a whole lot better). It also allowed me to forge a relationship with my brother that I never thought I could, (hey, he's a Hall male!!!). Anyway, never give up and try to break through the barriers. Crack by crack. Michelle Hall