searching for info on Subiah Hall born in 1717. She was married to Ebenezer Wight,3 sept 1740. Any help would be great. Thanks Toni Boise

In my family I have cases of census errors I use to teach classes. My Great Grandmother George Ann is put in as George a male at age 2 , as G.Ann at age 12. several of her 'offical' records have her as male when she was George Ann . The information 'guessed at by the recorder reading a usual boys name. My Grandfather was named Mildred (originally a man's name long ago, it meant a number like in Million and dred like in terrible or 'dredful") He ends up as a female on some census records, gave up as an adult and called himself "Drew". Lots of interesting stories. I am new to the list, my Hall's were handed to me just like magic! I'm hoping the members of this list to extend the line back ...:) John Hall b. 26 Dec.1785 NC wed 28 Oct.1811 to Elizabeth Anderson he died 31 May 1870 in Green county Ala. I descend from their Dau. Elizabeth Hall who wed Claiborne Patterson. His parents were John Hall and Susannah White they were wed 18 May 1773 in Burke Co.NC I do not have John Hall's parentage but his wife was the dau. of Joseph White and Martha Lusk. I have more on her line. Susan in Texas

Rodney, If you have found this same family in 3 censuses in the same county/state, they are probably the same family. I have found age differences as wide as 15 years in 2 consecutive censuses. Samuel was often recorded as Saml which might look like Emil. Keep in mind these factors: 1) Many times the family being recorded was illiterate and depended on the recorder to spell the name according to how he heard it. He may have been guessing himself on how to spell it. 2) These censuses, unless you are looking at original copies, have been transcribed by someone who must decipher a variety of handwritings, many of them horrible, or be working with an almost illegible document. 3) If mom and dad were out in the fields, it might have been another member of the family, even a child, giving the info to the recorder. This might be one reason for the difference in ages. Cheers, Nel

How common are errors in the census? I have a family with the father Daniel having 3 different ages up to 5 years apart. Wife's name is the same but her ages vary even more most of the children are the same except one child was named Emil and one census has a Samuel whose age is 2 years different. I don't know wether to consider them as the same family or not. Rodney Hall Subknave@msn.com

>From what I have been taught in Genealogy Classes and seminars, the enumerators had to account for all persons in every household. If the head of household was anything, other than white, he would have been shown as a Mulatto. If the wife of the head of household was an indian she was normally shown as white. Many indian women passed for white because they worked out in the fields alongside the men and the census was taken in the spring and summer months. The only separate 1850 and 1860 census was the Slave Schedule. There wasn't one for indians because by 1850 most of the southern indians, Cherokees in particular, had been moved to Indian Territory. Since the "Indian problem" had been moved to Indian Territory the government held that there were no Indians, offically, anywhere else in the sourthen part of the US. The Free Blacks and Melungeons where designated as a "Free man of Color" or FC on census. Hope this helps. Charlotte in Eastern Oklahoma

I have vital statistics for Surname HALL for Ky. from January 1916-Dec.1920. If anyone needs a lookup let me know.

List Administrator: HATCHER email list Site Administrator: HALL, HATCHER, SHEPHERD, TIMBERMAN GenConnect Boards Webmaster: HATCHER Families Resource Center at http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~nhatcher Researching COOK, HALL, HATCHER, HOLTRY, MILLER, SHEPHERD, TIMBERMAN, ZIMMERMAN Hi Halls! I was very interested in Maryann's msg on census taking. It would raise a question in my mind as to how the census taker would list a white man with an Indian wife. Does he record only the father and children? Would he not count the children because they were half Indian? It may be possible that Maryann's historian MAY have been correct regarding a state such as OK where you had large Indian reservations. Census takers may have been keeping separate lists of Native Americans in some states. But I have found many censuses in the eastern and southern states, before the CW, where anyone not "white" was listed as black or mulatto. This included Indians, blacks, and anyone of mixed ethnicity. A child of a white father and Indian mother would be listed as mulatto. Until this was explained to me, I would have easily bypassed a potential clue simply because "Jane Doe" was listed on the census as "black" or "mulatto", not white or Indian. Too often, and I have been guilty, we tend to think in our own modern day definitions. Doesn't always work :-) Cheers, Nel

In a message dated 10/14/99 2:24:48 PM Central Daylight Time, HALL-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > This family always said they were Cherokee, but how the Cherokee got to > Iowa during this time frame leaves me to wonder. Also, I cannot find > them on census reports. And also, if you were a bootlegger would you be > on the run so much that you wouldn't ever make it on a census? This is > something I am beginning to wonder about. I do have a Porter picture > and it appears that they had themselves a nice little business going. > > Does anyone else have Halls in Iowa or native American Halls or a Hall > that was a little bit of a blacksheep? <VBG> This one is tough! > Well, I wouldn't call them black sheep, but my gr. grandmother, M.J. (Mattie) Hall was supposed to be Cherokee Indian also. Born in Franklin Co., TN in 1853. Married June 13, 1876 to my grandfather, James Owen Wakefield McElroy b. 1856. They had three children before they ended up in Montegue Co., TX. Their marriage was also performed by a T. Hall that I have not been able to get a trace on. I have not been able to prove her parentage either. They ended up in Washita Co., OK by the end of the Century. If they could make all these moves, I am sure they could have ended up in IA or NE. And another thing, I have been told that the reason I can't find Mattie on the Census could be because she WAS indian. The enumerators were instructed not to count Native Americans. Not trying to start a war, just repeating what an historian has told me. Maryann Dixon Moseby Proud Rootsweb Sponsor M c E l r o y & W a k e f i e l d Listkeeper mdmgen@aol.com for Surname lists W a s h i n g t o n Co., OH Listkeeper B a s t r o p Co., TX Listkeeper mdmcounty@aol for County Lists dixlan2@aol.com for General e-mail AOL Instant Messenger: Dixlan2 ICQ: 1631995

Hello. Here are some website that list information on the term "black dutch" and "irish dutch" for those interested in them. Black Dutch: www.tngenweb.usit.com/cherokee_by_blood/dutch.hml Black Dutch or Irish Dutch: www.rosecity.net/chreokee/blackdutch.html Both websites offer information on the subject. good luck. sincerely, Anita

Please, tell me about Black Dutch. I've not heard the phrase before.

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B458165307D8D34422E09D84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------B458165307D8D34422E09D84 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <ERWIN-L-request@rootsweb.com> Delivered-To: kmonticue@mail-dnvr.uswest.net Received: (qmail 98647 invoked by uid 0); 15 Oct 1999 01:47:53 -0000 Received: from mail8.uswest.net (204.147.80.26) by dnvrpop4.dnvr.uswest.net with SMTP; 15 Oct 1999 01:47:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 20237 invoked by alias); 15 Oct 1999 02:42:17 -0000 Delivered-To: kmonticue@uswest.net Received: (qmail 20210 invoked from network); 15 Oct 1999 02:42:16 -0000 Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (204.212.38.30) by mail8.uswest.net with SMTP; 15 Oct 1999 02:42:15 -0000 Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09752; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:47:11 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:47:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Suttafran@aol.com Message-ID: <0.24b8696e.2537ef80@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:46:24 EDT Subject: Check out RootsWeb's WorldConnect Project Old-To: DUTCHER-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 Resent-Message-ID: <XJ7LzB.A.oXC.tWpB4@bl-14.rootsweb.com> To: ERWIN-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: ERWIN-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <ERWIN-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/199 X-Loop: ERWIN-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ERWIN-L-request@rootsweb.com X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Hi Folks, I received this on another family list and thought you would like to know about it, especially if you don't already have a web page: ~~~~~~~~ You can upload your family file to RootsWeb for free! And, boy, is it great! I just uploaded and it only took a few minutes. You have the option to include "more about" notes or not, you can include your sources or not, you can "clean" the info on your living folks---many options available. First, you need to set up an account, so you can upload your file, and later, to edit it (which I just did, also). Then, send it up! So easy and so fast. It took HOURS to send it to the Family Tree Maker site. Just minutes at RootsWeb, and it's much more complete. Also, you can add "post-ems" to anyone's data, and you can be notified when someone adds a post-em to yours, so that you can connect. This is brand new, just got started yesterday, I think. There may be a few bugs yet, but there's a message board where the fellow taking care of the GEDs is posting responses to the suggestions. And he is fast. Here's the URL: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ ~~~~~~~~~ Even if you don't upload your info, it is a nice search site. As more gedcoms are submitted, there will be more data to search. TTYL, Fran Daniels Suttafran@aol.com http://members.aol.com/sandyinbc/sandra.htm So many ancestors...so little time! --------------B458165307D8D34422E09D84--

I am trying to track down my Hall's in Maryland. I think they came from Worcester county based on some of the families that they lived near and married into. If anyone has Halls there and a portion of the family moved out between 1812 and 1834 I would like to hear from you. I am at a total block and don't know where to go next. Sincerely Rodney Hall Subknave@msn.com

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I had received information about the Illinois Statewide Mailing list from numerous mailing lists. I assumed everyone had seen it. I know assumptions are dangerous but did not heed my conscience. Sorry. Here it is - Illinois Statewide Marriage Index <http://www2.sos.state.il.us/cgi-bin/marriage> My humble apologies Arlene of Illinois

Help! I'm at a dead end when it comes to Sylvester Hall of Pickaway County, OH. Sylvester Hall (b. 1814, d. 1874) married Lydia E. Stump (b. 1938, d. 1915). I have also found a grave marker for a Sarah Hall, wife of Sylvester. Sylvester & Lydia had a son, George Nelson Hall (b. 7/23/1867; d. 6/11/1926) who married Syria May Ellis (b. 2/11/1871; d. 10/15/1937). Sylvester & Lydia are buried in Salem Methodist Church Cemetery. I can't seem to find out where Sylvester hails from. Other Hall information I have: Salem Methodist Church (I'm not sure if this is in Pickaway or Ross County, OH): Charles E. Hall (1920; 1999) & Janetta Flack (1919; 1965) Ralph Charles Hall (1896; 1969) & Opal Ralston (1900; 1990) Charles Hall (1859; 1917) & Charlotte Ashbrook (1862; 1946) Walter Hall (1900; 1977) & Ethel Hall Fortner (1888; 1981) Edward Hall (1881; 1944) George Hall (1854; 1903) Sarah (daughter) (1876; 1913) Rebecca Dump (1848; 1926) Comadore P. Hall (1896; 1921) Jane (1845; --) Leslie Hall (1904; 1972) & Ruth (1907; 1992) Nancy Hall Baker (1937; --) Carl Jacob Hall (1894; 1965) & Odie Snyder (1902; 1994) Sylvester Hall (1814; 1874) & Lydia Stump (1838; 1915) W. P. Hall (--; 1865) - War of 1812 William Hall (--; 1853) Hallsville Cemetery, Route 180 Howard Glen Hall (1/31/1926) & Marvine Eloise (1/25/1931) It appears my Sylvester is the oldest Hall in the cemetery; however, William with an unknown birthdate may be his father. I'm clueless, though. Thanks to anyone who can provide input. Sue

Hello - I would like to thank everyone for trying to help with Angeline Hall. I haven't found her yet, but many listers responded. This is a good, active list and it was so refreshing to get answers! I did find her name on Family Search and sent a letter to the lady that submitted the information. Maybe I will come up with something after all.....maybe. If I do, you will all be the first to hear about it. I did come to the conclusion that she is from the "scoundral" line, but bless her heart, that's okay. She's my scoundral g-grandma! She will be quite at home with all of my scoundral grandpas, aunts, uncles, and cousins. Thanks again for all the help, Connie

Continue quote. " data entry is partially complete for the following 42 counties: Alexander; Brown; Bureau: Champaign; Clay; Clinton; Coles; Cook; Crawford; Cumberland; DeKalb; Edwards; Ford; Fulton; Gallatin: Hamilton; Henry; Iroquois; Jasper; Jersey; JoDaviess; Johnson; Lawrence; McDonough; McHenry; McLean; Macoupin; Madison; Marion; Mason; Mercer; Montgomery; Peoria; Pike; Randolph; Schuyler; Stark; Tazewell; Union; Wabash; Will; Winnebago. No marriage records have been entered yet for the following 18 counties: Clark; Douglas; Grundy; Hardin; LaSalle; Lee; Livingston; Marshall; Monroe; Moultrie; Pulaski; Putnam; Stephenson; Vermilion; Washington; Wayne; Williamson; Woodford. End quote From ISGS Newsletter Vol. 20.5 September/October 1999 Following was the explanation of what is included in the database as documentation plus a request for additional volunteers for the project. I have sent this to various mailing lists to prevent anyone from making false assumptions, I.e. assuming your ancestors were NOT in Illinois because they were not on the list. When I checked the site, I could not find any of the Part # 1 or Part # 2 information. I think this is important for searchers to know. Arlene of Illinois

Quote "As of August 20, 1999, 1,033,854 marriages have been entered into the statewide database being created by the Illinois State Archives and ISGS. A total of 84 out of 102 counties are represented in the database. The goal of the project begun in 1985, is to enter all marriages prior to 1901 for all Illinois counties. Data is complete for the following 42 counties: Adams; Bond; Boone; Calhoun; Carroll; Cass; Christian; DeWitt; DuPage; Edgar; Effingham; Fayette; Franklin; Greene; Hancock; Henderson; Jackson; Jefferson; Kane; Kankakee; Kendall; Knox; Lake; Logan; Macon; Massac; Menard; Morgan; Ogle; Perry; Piatt; Pope; Richland; Rock Island; St. Clair; Saline; Sangamon; Scott; Shelby; Warren; White; Whiteside. Part # 2 to follow. Arlene of Illinois

Do you have any children of your Reverend James Hall and Mary Ann Polly Williams? I am looking for an Isaac Hall, b. ca. 1815. He was found in the 1850 Census for Rutherford Co., TN, married to a Margaret ???, with daughters Louansa, age 10, and Margaret, age 8. Could there be a connection? Sjw500@aol.com wrote: > I have a Reverend James Hall born in 1790s in Tenn. Franklin Co. I think. He > married Mary Ann Polly Williams born 1790-s also. they lived in Franklin co, > Tenn. and had a lot of children. They moved to Paint Rock, Ala. Jemima died > and James remarried a letha Moore. looking for his parents and Williams > parents. Mary is said to be black Dutch. I need help sjw500@aol.com

http://www2.sos.state.il.us/cgi-bin/marriage New section on the Illinois. Marriage records for the whole state. With a search. If You had people in Illinois check it out. Josephine Hall ajh43@msn.com or ajh43@hotmail.com