This is in response to the mailing of 08/14/2002 from Ray Parker which was initiated by my mailing of 08/12/2002 in reference to a query from Norma Standard to which Ray Parker had responded. The query pertained to the parents of Abigail Hadley who married Jacob Brown, Jr. 16 October 1814. I now have learned how to access the data listed by Ray Parker from Rootsweb.com : Call up Rootsweb.com ----- Type in : Abigail Hadley ----- Choose: World Command Data Base ----- Find the fifth page of the Abigail Hadley listings ----- Call up the listings for Abigail Hadley, daughter of Simon Hadley and Mary Spencer. I found the data which Ray Parker had listed from "Joan's Ancestors and Descendants", submitted by Joan Case. In calling up Joan's home page, I was not able to locate her source references.------ The other Abigail Hadley listings lacked references to original sources. ----- The listings of the children of Simon Hadley and Mary Spencer varied with entries submitted by different parties. ---- Some of the listings were based on the Hadley Society listing, taken for the most part from "A Hadley Genealogy", edited by Curtis E. Healton and published in 1974. After the original printing of that publication, the listing of Abigail Hadley, born in 1789, has been added to the listing of children of Simon Hadley and Mary Spencer. My concern is that the Hadley Society should be able to provide a satisfactory listing of the children of Simon Hadley and Mary Spencer, based as much as possible on primary sources. In order to do this, it appears that one or more dedicated persons should try to do some basic research. It would probably be best to do this research at Guilford College in North Carolina, where there is easier access to North Carolina Quaker records and to Surrey County civil records such as wills and land titles. There also may be files of particular Quaker families in the library at Guilford that cannot be found elsewhere. ----- If those concerned cannot get to Guilford, perhaps they could find most of the needed data in the Quaker Archives at Earlham College, Richond, Indiana or at the Friends Historical Library at Swarthmore College in Pennsylvania. In my attempts to expand and deepen my knowledge of this family, I have found a book in the Historical Library of Iowa which has been helpful. It is called "The Heritage of Yadkin County," and has been compiled by Frances Casstevens of the Yadkin County, NC area, with contributions by others. There are several articles concerning the Brown family, contributed by Ethel M. Taylor (Mrs. Robert Taylor), with many source references. There are also articles about the Reece family contributed by Thomas H. Hamm, archivist at the Quaker Archives at Earlham College. Margaret ("Peggy") Hadley, daughter of Simon and Mary (Spencer) Hadley, married Jesse Reece. The genealogy "Davis, a Quaker Family", compiled by Eleanor M. Davis, is also a good secondary source with many references. Three of the children of Simon and Mary (Spencer) Hadley married into the Davis family. In doing Hadley Family research in the North Carolina area, it is my understanding that most of the children of Joshua and Ruth (Brown) Hadley first settled within the limits of Cane Creek Monthly Meeting, the oldest Friends Monthly Meeting in the North Carolina Piedmont. Simon and Bridget (Foote) Hadley seemed to have moved into the Surrey County, N.C. area about 1779 from the older settlement in the vicinity of Spring Meeting, near Cane Creek. Deep Creek Meeting was first organized as a subordinant Meeting of Deep River Monthly Meeting, which probably was set off from New Garden MM about 1773. As I remember, Deep Creek Monthly Meeting was organized ca. 1793. The abstracted records of the North Carolina Monthly Meetings are to be found in the "Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy", Vol. II, compiled by William Wade Hinshaw. Forgive me for being so lengthy and verbose about this, but it has seemed to me that some of the data presented is probably incorrect and misleading, and it will take some searching to find out the true story. ______ For those of you interested, I believe that I am a descendant of Joseph Brown, youngest son of Thomas Brown and Ruth Large. Joseph Brown was a brother of Thomas Brown who married Margaret Moon. Thomas and Margaret were the grandparents of Jacob Brown, Jr. who married Abigail Hadley.---Joseph Brown married a young widow, Ann (Jones) Morgan. Ruth Brown, daughter of Joseph and Ann, married John Mendenhall, son of Richard Mendenhall, son of "Old Mordecai" Mendenhall who settled near Springfield Friends Meeting near High Point, NC. John Mendenhall, grandson of "Old Mordecai", was the great-grandfather of my grandfather, John Mendenhall, who married Mira Hadley. Through my grandmother, Samira ("Mira") Hadley Mendenhall, I am a descendant of both Joshua Hadley, Jr. and Jeremiah Hadley, sons of Joshua and Patience (Brown) Hadley. Joshua, Jr. and Jeremiah were brothers of Simon Hadley. This Simon Hadley and his wife Bridget Foote were the grandparents of Abigail Hadley who married Joshua Brown, Jr. --- The Patience Brown who married Joshua Hadley, Sr. was a member of the Brown family from Nottingham on the Pennsylvania/Maryland line. She was not related to the Thomas Brown who married Ruth Large at Buckingham Friends Meeting in Bucks County, PA in 1723. - Herbert Standing.