Hello everyone, I've just added Pam to the list. Below is a note from her. ~Barbara In a message dated 8/21/2002 11:31:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LuJ@socket.net writes: > Subj:mailing list > Date:8/21/2002 11:31:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time > From:<A HREF="mailto:LuJ@socket.net">LuJ@socket.net</A> > To:<A HREF="mailto:HADLEY-L-request@rootsweb.com">HADLEY-L-request@rootsweb.com</A> > Sent from the Internet > > > > Please add me to the mailing list. I am the granddaughter of Elvin Verne > Hadley. My mother is his first born- Ruth Elaine Hadley. I live in > Washington, Mo. and supply the info on my mother's 2 brothers. Pam Allison > >

I've had no luck in finding any info other than what my mom can remember. Any help on my Hadleys from Smethwick, England would be of great help. Below is my line to my children. thanks Dave ------------- Generation No. 1 1. WILLIAM1 HADLEY He married ANN LAW. Child of WILLIAM HADLEY and ANN LAW is: 2. i. AUTHUR2 HADLEY, b. May 01, 1871, Smethwick, England; d. February 1916. Generation No. 2 2. AUTHUR2 HADLEY (WILLIAM1) was born May 01, 1871 in Smethwick, England, and died February 1916. He married ELLEN MACE June 09, 1892 in Birmingham, England. Child of AUTHUR HADLEY and ELLEN MACE is: 3. i. CHARLES HENRY3 HADLEY, d. 1962. Generation No. 3 3. CHARLES HENRY3 HADLEY (AUTHUR2, WILLIAM1) died 1962. He married MARY WINIFRED CURRIER, daughter of WALTER CURRIER and MARY PIKE. She was born 1909, and died 1988. Child of CHARLES HADLEY and MARY CURRIER is: 4. i. CAROL ELLEN4 HADLEY, b. 1933. Generation No. 4 4. CAROL ELLEN4 HADLEY (CHARLES HENRY3, AUTHUR2, WILLIAM1) was born 1933. She married DAVID PRESCOTT FRIZZELL, son of WILLIAM FRIZZELL and MABEL ALLEN. He was born August 31, 1929, and died March 11, 1993 in Daytona Beach, Florida. More About DAVID PRESCOTT FRIZZELL: Burial: At Sea Children of CAROL HADLEY and DAVID FRIZZELL are: i. CHERYL LYNN5 FRIZZELL, b. January 21, 1956. ii. CYNTHIA FRIZZELL, b. 1959; m. JAMES PATRICK SULLIVAN, Daytona Beach, Florida. 5. iii. DAVID PRESCOTT FRIZZELL II, b. July 03, 1965, Goldsboro, North Carolina. Generation No. 5 5. DAVID PRESCOTT5 FRIZZELL II (CAROL ELLEN4 HADLEY, CHARLES HENRY3, AUTHUR2, WILLIAM1) was born July 03, 1965 in Goldsboro, North Carolina. He married JENNIFER LYNN STONE December 19, 1986 in Daytona Beach, Florida, daughter of ROBERT FRANCIS STONE. She was born 1961 in Daytona Beach, Florida. Children of DAVID FRIZZELL and JENNIFER STONE are: i. DAVID PRESCOTT6 FRIZZELL III, b. July 06, 1988, Daytona Beach, Florida. ii. KAITLYN ELIZABETH FRIZZELL, b. January 27, 1990, Daytona Beach, Florida. iii. STEPHANIE LOREN FRIZZELL, b. November 04, 1992, Daytona Beach, Florida.

Cindy, Thanks for the information. I'll try it next time I get to a place that has Hinshaw. Didn't know they had minutes for children. Norma

Hello Howard, I am interested in what you have to say about the family being Welsh. It is interesting to me because I have done a lot of research on our English roots, and found a Hadley family in Shropshire who used the distinctive name Simon (Symon). The location of Quatt in Salop was very near the Welsh border. Simon Hadley died in 1590. His only son John died in 1635. I have both wills. John had 2 sons, of course named John and Simon. John got all of the estates and Simon disappeared from the records. It is my theory that he may have moved to Ireland, or had a son named Simon who did. and that this Hadley family is in fact our Hadley family. I have not been able to prove it. But I have not found any other Hadley family in England that used the name Simon, so I think it's our best lead to date. BTW, in the earlier tax roll records from 1525-1560 in Salop ( now Shropshire) I found a neighboring family of minor nobility named the Simones. My guess is that is where the name Simon Hadley came from, perhaps a marriage between the two families. I have extensive writings on all of this research and will forward if you would like to see it and draw your own conclusions. Thank you John Hadley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Hadley" <hhadley@in-touch.net> To: <HADLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [HADLEY-L] Fwd: welsh irish > > Tim I have gotten things from HADLEY-L@rootsweb.com for some time!I have > not > seen anything I was interested in. I have tried to get unsribed! > > Our ancester Simon came to Arimeria from Ireland about 1710. > > People who have resercesed cannot find connecton with Hadleys in England. > Look at > Hadley Society on net. > Howard Glad to hear from you > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <HADLEYTC@aol.com> > To: <HADLEY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 1:17 PM > Subject: Re: [HADLEY-L] Fwd: welsh irish > > > > Did you try to find him on thehadleysociety web site? > > A couple other resources are hadley.com and hadley.org > > good luck. let me know if you find them listed. > > > > Tim Hadley > > Farmersville OH > > > > > > ==== HADLEY Mailing List ==== > > HADLEY Message Board: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=surnames.hadley > > HADLEY List Archives: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/HADLEY/ > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== HADLEY Mailing List ==== > HADLEY Message Board: > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=surnames.hadley > HADLEY List Archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/HADLEY/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Yes, I will send you one tomorrow. Tim Hadley Farmersville Ohio

I'll see what I can find for you. Tim Hadley Farmersville OH

HOWARD: I received your pictures. Thank you very much they mean a lot to me. I will send you a link to thehadleysociety web site tomorrow from work. I don't know how to do it from here. Tim

Did you try the Hadley Data Base at the hadley society web site. Tim

Tim, I followed John Hadleys suggestion of Brad Barr's web site and found loads of information! Then Mr. Gile contacted me for my Martha Gile, wife of Joseph Hadley, connection and I was off on that tangent...running up to Sutro to check out his book. The books about History of Hampstead, History of Goffstown and History of Amesbury are too old to remove from Sutro so I have to glean info while there. I have saved all the website suggestions and will get to them. I sure appreciate all the tips from helpful people like you. Can you suggest where to send the descendant information from my Elizabeth Hadley so to help others? Margie in foggy Half Moon Bay,CA ----- Original Message ----- From: <HADLEYTC@aol.com> To: <HADLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [HADLEY-L] HADLEY, Jacob of NH/VT > Did you try the Hadley Data Base at the hadley society web site. > > Tim > > > ==== HADLEY Mailing List ==== > HADLEY Message Board: > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=surnames.hadley > HADLEY List Archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/HADLEY/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello Everyone I find this conversation very interesting, but want to point out that for many of the seemingly undocumented, unsourced online genealogies and gedcoms, including the Hadley Society's database, there are people behind the scenes responsible for that information who do have the documentation and sources, and upon query to the individual responsible for the database, you can be put in touch with those who can provide you that documentation and source infomation. I take myself as an example. I do not have a World Connect website myself, but the information at the Hadley Society Database on the descendants of Thomas Marshall and Elizabeth Fortner of Greene Co TN is largely the result of research I did with three cousins. We have extensive documentation. For only one part of it from a person now deceased on one of their daughters (Martha md. Harrison DeFord), do I not have a substantial amount of documentation (census records, cemetery records, etc.). In sum, I strongly urge you when finding an online gedcom or any similar report of personal interest to contact the persons who posted it. You may be exceedingly pleasantly surprised that for alot of that type of information there is alot of documentation. In my case, I have HARD copies of the great majority of the census records through 1920, cemetery listings, many probate records, for the siblings of many branches of that family, and many of the allied lines beginning in 1850, except some who took off for Colorado, Utah, Oregon, etc. I have not, however, typed them all up.. I can however provide support when asked. I would imagine that is the situation with alot of folks who have info online. So if you see something that looks like it's yours, go ahead and contact the person at the website...regardless of whether it is a gedcom with 30,000 people or 300 people. The smaller ones are sure to want to "talk". The larger databases if focussing on surnames also can almost always provide contacts. Some of the large databases at places like world connect, however, have been cobbled together by other people's gedcoms there...and you may not have much luck. I also point out that you can do searches at World Connect with the restriction that you only want those gedcoms wtih notes and/or sources. You also can search without a name...For example, all marriages in Chatham Co NC between 1760 and 1800. All gedcoms with persons who migrated from Rowan Co NC to Greene Co TN. Here you are at the mercy of folks who enter such information, but it is a great tool! http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi World Connect gedcoms and Ancestry.com gedcoms are IDENTICAL, a combined database. For what it is worth, those are my thoughts. Janet Hunter (Simon Hadley & Ruth >Joshua Hadley & Mary Rowland > Ruth Hadley and John Marshall > Abram Marshall & Martha Doane > Thomas Marshall & Elizabeth Fortner, my 2 g grandparents. So before you

Bruce, I agree with you statements below, lot of folks have copied and posted my information on Rootsweb without giving their source and while making errors in entering the data to boot. But modern computer technology as been a great advantage for Genealogists even though it has been sometimes misused. A tool is only as good as its users ability and skill. You can make errors and propagate them faster with a computer, but you also have the advantage of low cost and effective ways to update and send information from place to place almost instantly. Below is an example of one family that I have been working on for years, note my sources are credited and listed and we have back up documentation on hard copy and often on our computer. Rebekah Parker b. 1803 in NC D. aft 1880 M. 8/6/1822, dt. William Parker and Elizabeth Lydia Bryant in Surry Co. NC Jesse Adams b. 1801 D. C1878 son John Adams and Elizabeth Fleming in Surry Co. NC Sarah Adams b. 1823 D. bef 1857 M. 2/8/1848 Winston Brown Mary Adams b. 1825 Elizabeth Adams b. 1828 D. Unk M. 3/6/1845 John Henry Dinkins, moved to Ohio after 1850 then to Ind by 1880 Elizabeth was on the 1880 and 1900 Henry Co. Ind Census Reports George M. Adams b. 1829 D. Unk M. 4/11/1852 Mary Melissa Hutchens He donated the land for the Union Grove Baptist Church, Boonville, NC Rebecca Adams b. 1832 D. aft 1900 M. a Canday was on the 1900 Henry Co. Ind Census with Elizabeth Dinkins Abigail Adams b. 1833 D. M. 2/20/1850 Jackson Caudle, son William Caudle and Nancy Brown Lousiana Adams b. 1835 D. M. 6/11/1861 Jonathan Brown went to New Castle Indiana Jesse Adams Jr. b. 1838 D. M. 3/17/1858 Sarah J. Adams Stephen H. Adams b. 1840 D. 4/23/1917 Henry Co Ind M. 1/22/1869 Lydia Dickerson b. 5/25/1852 D. 5/25/1925 Franklin Adams b. 1842 in Surry Co. NC D. unk M. unk Elam Jesse Adams b. 2/14/1844 in Grayson Co. Va D. 3/17/1921 M. 1st 3/3/1867 Sabra Reece, 2nd 11/10/1875 Lucy Reece both dts of Wiley Reece and Amenda Hinshaw Reece He died in Rogers, Arkansas in 1921. Was a Baptist Minister. Sarah Adams b. 1848, in Surry Co. NC D. unk. M. Unk. Sources: Harrell G. Miller "Harrell G. Miller" Harrell.Jan.Miller@Worldnet.att.net Elem Jesse Adams descendant, Alvin Caudle b. 1921 G-Grandson of Rebekah Parker and Jesse Adams descendant through Abigail Adams and Jackson Caudle. Various Census Reports & Marriage Bonds, Adams Family History. Note: Rebekah Parker was named after her aunt Rebekah Bryant the daughter of John Bryant and Lydia Allen Bryant. Jesse and Rebekah Parker Adams went to New Castle, Ind. In the early 1870's, in September of 1874 George Parker sent them money to pay for their train tickets back to Greensboro, NC. This is based on a letter written by Jesse and Rebekah Parker Adams to Elam Jesse Adams kept by Noah Parker and son Sebon Parker. They returned to NC in October of 1874. Jesse Adams died before 1880, on the 1880 Yadkin County Census, Rebekah Parker is living with her Grandson Samuel S. Adams off of Rockett Road in the Fall Creek Township, Yadkin Co. NC.. Updates on Ellizabeth Adams Dinkins, Rebecca Adams Canady and Stephen H. Adams in Henry Co. Ind from Jennifer Stephenandjenni@aol.com Ray Parker HADLEY-L-request@ro otsweb.com To: HADLEY-L@rootsweb.com cc: 08/15/2002 08:22 PM Subject: Re: [HADLEY-L] Abigal Hadley in Surry Co NC in response to Please respond to Norma, Herbertand John Hadley "Bruce Roberts" Just to add my two cents, I have noticed more and more people citing web sites like Rootsweb, FamilySearch, Ancestry.com, etc. as their sources for data. These are hardly "reliable" sources; anyone out there can submit information/family names to these sites which is then published, and often subsequently perpetuated as "gospel". I have found completely erroneous & bogus information on nearly every one of my family lines at the various genealogy sites on the web. (Of course, if the material on the web site is documented with sources, that's another story. There are some very well documented personal genealogical sites out there) There are obviously varying degrees of "trustworthiness" in the records we are able to find: from original civil & church records, to transcribed copies of same, censuses, directories, family histories, genealogical histories of specific locations, etc., etc. Even the "originals" often have errors & omissions. Sometimes we can't find anything close to a primary source, but that doesn't mean we should resort to using data which has NO documentation. Too many people seem more interested in how many names they can add to the family tree than whether the data is accurate. Genealogical research is like detective work; it involves much more than copying an undocumented series of names from an anonymous source. We should always strive to locate & record (as many) sources "as close to the original event" as possible. Information without a source, whether it's from the web or a family history book, shouldn't be used for anything more than as a clue or potential path for further research. OK, I'm off my soapbox... -Bruce Roberts ----- Original Message ----- From: <Ray.Parker@slkp.com> To: <HADLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [HADLEY-L] Abigal Hadley in Surry Co NC in response to Norma, Herbertand John Hadley > Norma, Herbert and John > > I agree with John Hadley that it is not unusual to find conflicting information, > especially posted on Rootsweb, but you will find it almost everywhere, this is > not to find fault with Rootsweb. I know of no infallible source of > information, Cousin William Wade Hinshaw's researchers made errors in recording > extracts from the Monthly Meeting Records, and there were many errors and gaps > in the meeting records themselves. Sometimes we have to just do as a > philosopher once said about religion, "one must just take a flying leap of > faith not knowing where one will land" not all things can be proven. > > A wise cousin with which I share four lines once said "Genealogy is never ever > completely complete and almost never ever completely correct." She and her > mother and grandmother and I and others have spent over 100 lapsed years on one > of our lines and there are still many gaps and errors in our work. > > Such is the way with genealogy, all it takes is something as simple as a missed > or incorrect key on the keyboard to create a discrepancy. I find that after > editing my work multiple times and having others review it for accuracy, we > later find errors left from several years back. > > Ray Parker ==== HADLEY Mailing List ==== HADLEY Message Board: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=surnames.hadley HADLEY List Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/HADLEY/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: HADLEY Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/RIh.2ACIB/444 Message Board Post: I photographed this tombstone in the Arlington Cemetery, Arlington, Tarrant County, Texas. Feel free to use the picture for your records. This is one of the 15,277 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com

Just to add my two cents, I have noticed more and more people citing web sites like Rootsweb, FamilySearch, Ancestry.com, etc. as their sources for data. These are hardly "reliable" sources; anyone out there can submit information/family names to these sites which is then published, and often subsequently perpetuated as "gospel". I have found completely erroneous & bogus information on nearly every one of my family lines at the various genealogy sites on the web. (Of course, if the material on the web site is documented with sources, that's another story. There are some very well documented personal genealogical sites out there) There are obviously varying degrees of "trustworthiness" in the records we are able to find: from original civil & church records, to transcribed copies of same, censuses, directories, family histories, genealogical histories of specific locations, etc., etc. Even the "originals" often have errors & omissions. Sometimes we can't find anything close to a primary source, but that doesn't mean we should resort to using data which has NO documentation. Too many people seem more interested in how many names they can add to the family tree than whether the data is accurate. Genealogical research is like detective work; it involves much more than copying an undocumented series of names from an anonymous source. We should always strive to locate & record (as many) sources "as close to the original event" as possible. Information without a source, whether it's from the web or a family history book, shouldn't be used for anything more than as a clue or potential path for further research. OK, I'm off my soapbox... -Bruce Roberts ----- Original Message ----- From: <Ray.Parker@slkp.com> To: <HADLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [HADLEY-L] Abigal Hadley in Surry Co NC in response to Norma, Herbertand John Hadley > Norma, Herbert and John > > I agree with John Hadley that it is not unusual to find conflicting information, > especially posted on Rootsweb, but you will find it almost everywhere, this is > not to find fault with Rootsweb. I know of no infallible source of > information, Cousin William Wade Hinshaw's researchers made errors in recording > extracts from the Monthly Meeting Records, and there were many errors and gaps > in the meeting records themselves. Sometimes we have to just do as a > philosopher once said about religion, "one must just take a flying leap of > faith not knowing where one will land" not all things can be proven. > > A wise cousin with which I share four lines once said "Genealogy is never ever > completely complete and almost never ever completely correct." She and her > mother and grandmother and I and others have spent over 100 lapsed years on one > of our lines and there are still many gaps and errors in our work. > > Such is the way with genealogy, all it takes is something as simple as a missed > or incorrect key on the keyboard to create a discrepancy. I find that after > editing my work multiple times and having others review it for accuracy, we > later find errors left from several years back. > > Ray Parker

Subj: {not a subscriber} Charlotte Hadley and Daniel Shanks Date: 8/15/2002 3:42:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: <A HREF="mailto:BJRule@prodigy.net">BJRule@prodigy.net</A> To: <A HREF="mailto:HADLEY-L@rootsweb.com">HADLEY-L@rootsweb.com</A> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg//RIh.2ACIB/443 Message Board Post: I am looking for the dates and place of death for my gggrandparents. Charlotte Hadley b 1838 and Daniel Shanks born 1829. They lived in Canada where their son Joseph was born in 1860, he later died in Michigan in 1926. Any info is welcome.

Ray, Thanks for your message. I liked the quotations, especially the one from your wise cousin. I'll remember that when I get frustrated by not finding information I need! Norma

You might try Quaker Minutes for children. I saw several listings for the Hadley's in the _Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy_ Vol 1 by William Wade Hinshaw. They were all listed under the Cane Creek Monthly Meeting minutes. Alas!!! Not my Hadley line (I am Joseph Hadley md Lydia Drake mostly of Halifax Co NC) Good luck CindyHMB At 05:17 PM 8/14/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Ray, > I wonder if I shall ever get a true listing of Simon and Mary Hadley's >family. I have so many different dates and placements for the children, I'm >running out of space! The one you found on Rootsweb also leaves a bit to be >desired. For instance, it has Margaret Hadley born about 1812, but in "Surry >County Marriages 1779-1868", her marriage bond is listed as 15 April 1807. I >have children listed that aren't on every list and other lists have children >that I don't have. Oh, my, I love genealogy! > On the other hand, the list for Jacob and Abigail's children's birth >dates is almost identical to mine. > I noticed someone on the web questioned where this information came from >- that would be interesting to know. I haven't found documentation for births >anywhere, just some of the marriages. > Hopefully some day someone will run across some information that will >solve this puzzle. > In the meantime, I shall accept that Abigail is the daughter of Simon > and >Mary, because of the naming of her children, if nothing else. > Happy Hunting to you in whatever you are searching for. >Norma > > >==== HADLEY Mailing List ==== >Anti-virus software is invaluable, provided you keep it updated and use it >regularly. Obtain anti-virus software in stores and shops or download it >online. >http://housecall.antivirus.com/pc_housecall/ >http://www.grisoft.com/ >http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/ >http://www.mcafee.com/anti-virus/ >http://www.europe.f-secure.com/v-descs/ >Information on Viruses, Trojans, and Worms: >http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/virus.html > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Norma, Herbert and John I agree with John Hadley that it is not unusual to find conflicting information, especially posted on Rootsweb, but you will find it almost everywhere, this is not to find fault with Rootsweb. I know of no infallible source of information, Cousin William Wade Hinshaw's researchers made errors in recording extracts from the Monthly Meeting Records, and there were many errors and gaps in the meeting records themselves. Sometimes we have to just do as a philosopher once said about religion, "one must just take a flying leap of faith not knowing where one will land" not all things can be proven. A wise cousin with which I share four lines once said "Genealogy is never ever completely complete and almost never ever completely correct." She and her mother and grandmother and I and others have spent over 100 lapsed years on one of our lines and there are still many gaps and errors in our work. Such is the way with genealogy, all it takes is something as simple as a missed or incorrect key on the keyboard to create a discrepancy. I find that after editing my work multiple times and having others review it for accuracy, we later find errors left from several years back. Ray Parker HADLEY-L-request@ro otsweb.com To: HADLEY-L@rootsweb.com cc: 08/15/2002 01:09 AM Subject: Re: [HADLEY-L] Abigal Hadley in Surry Co NC in response to Please respond to Norma earlier. HADLEY-L Hello, I have been reading your emails back and forth about this Hadley family. You have found some documentation that differs from what is in the HS data base. This is not unusual. We are constantly upgrading our information. I would ask you to please make a list of documents that support these differing dates, etc and send this list to me so we can add this information to the data base. That's how we get better, by working together. Our forbearers did the best they could but in some instances they apparently made some "best guesses" which have since been repeated so many times they are taken as fact. The current position of the HS is to add the new findings, and pointing out that there is conflicting information. So please submit your findings so that we can have these updates become a part of the knowledge base. Thank you John Hadley president, Hadley Society PS You can send these updates to Sherri Hadley Rice, or Terry McLean as well. I am just offering to do the typing and then add them to the proper place. We collect these updates and then occasionally upload them to the master files on the web. Jean Hadley is now doing the computer work. ----- Original Message ----- From: <NStan22287@aol.com> To: <HADLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [HADLEY-L] Abigal Hadley in Surry Co NC in response to Norma earlier. > Ray, > I wonder if I shall ever get a true listing of Simon and Mary Hadley's > family. I have so many different dates and placements for the children, I'm > running out of space! The one you found on Rootsweb also leaves a bit to be > desired. For instance, it has Margaret Hadley born about 1812, but in "Surry > County Marriages 1779-1868", her marriage bond is listed as 15 April 1807. I > have children listed that aren't on every list and other lists have children > that I don't have. Oh, my, I love genealogy! > On the other hand, the list for Jacob and Abigail's children's birth > dates is almost identical to mine. > I noticed someone on the web questioned where this information came from > - that would be interesting to know. I haven't found documentation for births > anywhere, just some of the marriages. > Hopefully some day someone will run across some information that will > solve this puzzle. > In the meantime, I shall accept that Abigail is the daughter of Simon and > Mary, because of the naming of her children, if nothing else. > Happy Hunting to you in whatever you are searching for. > Norma > > > ==== HADLEY Mailing List ==== > Anti-virus software is invaluable, provided you keep it updated and use it regularly. Obtain anti-virus software in stores and shops or download it online. > http://housecall.antivirus.com/pc_housecall/ > http://www.grisoft.com/ > http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/ > http://www.mcafee.com/anti-virus/ > http://www.europe.f-secure.com/v-descs/ > Information on Viruses, Trojans, and Worms: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/virus.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ==== HADLEY Mailing List ==== Anti-virus software is invaluable, provided you keep it updated and use it regularly. 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This is in response to the mailing of 08/14/2002 from Ray Parker which was initiated by my mailing of 08/12/2002 in reference to a query from Norma Standard to which Ray Parker had responded. The query pertained to the parents of Abigail Hadley who married Jacob Brown, Jr. 16 October 1814. I now have learned how to access the data listed by Ray Parker from Rootsweb.com : Call up Rootsweb.com ----- Type in : Abigail Hadley ----- Choose: World Command Data Base ----- Find the fifth page of the Abigail Hadley listings ----- Call up the listings for Abigail Hadley, daughter of Simon Hadley and Mary Spencer. I found the data which Ray Parker had listed from "Joan's Ancestors and Descendants", submitted by Joan Case. In calling up Joan's home page, I was not able to locate her source references.------ The other Abigail Hadley listings lacked references to original sources. ----- The listings of the children of Simon Hadley and Mary Spencer varied with entries submitted by different parties. ---- Some of the listings were based on the Hadley Society listing, taken for the most part from "A Hadley Genealogy", edited by Curtis E. Healton and published in 1974. After the original printing of that publication, the listing of Abigail Hadley, born in 1789, has been added to the listing of children of Simon Hadley and Mary Spencer. My concern is that the Hadley Society should be able to provide a satisfactory listing of the children of Simon Hadley and Mary Spencer, based as much as possible on primary sources. In order to do this, it appears that one or more dedicated persons should try to do some basic research. It would probably be best to do this research at Guilford College in North Carolina, where there is easier access to North Carolina Quaker records and to Surrey County civil records such as wills and land titles. There also may be files of particular Quaker families in the library at Guilford that cannot be found elsewhere. ----- If those concerned cannot get to Guilford, perhaps they could find most of the needed data in the Quaker Archives at Earlham College, Richond, Indiana or at the Friends Historical Library at Swarthmore College in Pennsylvania. In my attempts to expand and deepen my knowledge of this family, I have found a book in the Historical Library of Iowa which has been helpful. It is called "The Heritage of Yadkin County," and has been compiled by Frances Casstevens of the Yadkin County, NC area, with contributions by others. There are several articles concerning the Brown family, contributed by Ethel M. Taylor (Mrs. Robert Taylor), with many source references. There are also articles about the Reece family contributed by Thomas H. Hamm, archivist at the Quaker Archives at Earlham College. Margaret ("Peggy") Hadley, daughter of Simon and Mary (Spencer) Hadley, married Jesse Reece. The genealogy "Davis, a Quaker Family", compiled by Eleanor M. Davis, is also a good secondary source with many references. Three of the children of Simon and Mary (Spencer) Hadley married into the Davis family. In doing Hadley Family research in the North Carolina area, it is my understanding that most of the children of Joshua and Ruth (Brown) Hadley first settled within the limits of Cane Creek Monthly Meeting, the oldest Friends Monthly Meeting in the North Carolina Piedmont. Simon and Bridget (Foote) Hadley seemed to have moved into the Surrey County, N.C. area about 1779 from the older settlement in the vicinity of Spring Meeting, near Cane Creek. Deep Creek Meeting was first organized as a subordinant Meeting of Deep River Monthly Meeting, which probably was set off from New Garden MM about 1773. As I remember, Deep Creek Monthly Meeting was organized ca. 1793. The abstracted records of the North Carolina Monthly Meetings are to be found in the "Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy", Vol. II, compiled by William Wade Hinshaw. Forgive me for being so lengthy and verbose about this, but it has seemed to me that some of the data presented is probably incorrect and misleading, and it will take some searching to find out the true story. ______ For those of you interested, I believe that I am a descendant of Joseph Brown, youngest son of Thomas Brown and Ruth Large. Joseph Brown was a brother of Thomas Brown who married Margaret Moon. Thomas and Margaret were the grandparents of Jacob Brown, Jr. who married Abigail Hadley.---Joseph Brown married a young widow, Ann (Jones) Morgan. Ruth Brown, daughter of Joseph and Ann, married John Mendenhall, son of Richard Mendenhall, son of "Old Mordecai" Mendenhall who settled near Springfield Friends Meeting near High Point, NC. John Mendenhall, grandson of "Old Mordecai", was the great-grandfather of my grandfather, John Mendenhall, who married Mira Hadley. Through my grandmother, Samira ("Mira") Hadley Mendenhall, I am a descendant of both Joshua Hadley, Jr. and Jeremiah Hadley, sons of Joshua and Patience (Brown) Hadley. Joshua, Jr. and Jeremiah were brothers of Simon Hadley. This Simon Hadley and his wife Bridget Foote were the grandparents of Abigail Hadley who married Joshua Brown, Jr. --- The Patience Brown who married Joshua Hadley, Sr. was a member of the Brown family from Nottingham on the Pennsylvania/Maryland line. She was not related to the Thomas Brown who married Ruth Large at Buckingham Friends Meeting in Bucks County, PA in 1723. - Herbert Standing.

Hello, I have been reading your emails back and forth about this Hadley family. You have found some documentation that differs from what is in the HS data base. This is not unusual. We are constantly upgrading our information. I would ask you to please make a list of documents that support these differing dates, etc and send this list to me so we can add this information to the data base. That's how we get better, by working together. Our forbearers did the best they could but in some instances they apparently made some "best guesses" which have since been repeated so many times they are taken as fact. The current position of the HS is to add the new findings, and pointing out that there is conflicting information. So please submit your findings so that we can have these updates become a part of the knowledge base. Thank you John Hadley president, Hadley Society PS You can send these updates to Sherri Hadley Rice, or Terry McLean as well. I am just offering to do the typing and then add them to the proper place. We collect these updates and then occasionally upload them to the master files on the web. Jean Hadley is now doing the computer work. ----- Original Message ----- From: <NStan22287@aol.com> To: <HADLEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [HADLEY-L] Abigal Hadley in Surry Co NC in response to Norma earlier. > Ray, > I wonder if I shall ever get a true listing of Simon and Mary Hadley's > family. I have so many different dates and placements for the children, I'm > running out of space! The one you found on Rootsweb also leaves a bit to be > desired. For instance, it has Margaret Hadley born about 1812, but in "Surry > County Marriages 1779-1868", her marriage bond is listed as 15 April 1807. I > have children listed that aren't on every list and other lists have children > that I don't have. Oh, my, I love genealogy! > On the other hand, the list for Jacob and Abigail's children's birth > dates is almost identical to mine. > I noticed someone on the web questioned where this information came from > - that would be interesting to know. I haven't found documentation for births > anywhere, just some of the marriages. > Hopefully some day someone will run across some information that will > solve this puzzle. > In the meantime, I shall accept that Abigail is the daughter of Simon and > Mary, because of the naming of her children, if nothing else. > Happy Hunting to you in whatever you are searching for. > Norma > > > ==== HADLEY Mailing List ==== > Anti-virus software is invaluable, provided you keep it updated and use it regularly. Obtain anti-virus software in stores and shops or download it online. > http://housecall.antivirus.com/pc_housecall/ > http://www.grisoft.com/ > http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/ > http://www.mcafee.com/anti-virus/ > http://www.europe.f-secure.com/v-descs/ > Information on Viruses, Trojans, and Worms: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/virus.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Ray, I wonder if I shall ever get a true listing of Simon and Mary Hadley's family. I have so many different dates and placements for the children, I'm running out of space! The one you found on Rootsweb also leaves a bit to be desired. For instance, it has Margaret Hadley born about 1812, but in "Surry County Marriages 1779-1868", her marriage bond is listed as 15 April 1807. I have children listed that aren't on every list and other lists have children that I don't have. Oh, my, I love genealogy! On the other hand, the list for Jacob and Abigail's children's birth dates is almost identical to mine. I noticed someone on the web questioned where this information came from - that would be interesting to know. I haven't found documentation for births anywhere, just some of the marriages. Hopefully some day someone will run across some information that will solve this puzzle. In the meantime, I shall accept that Abigail is the daughter of Simon and Mary, because of the naming of her children, if nothing else. Happy Hunting to you in whatever you are searching for. Norma