Actually, it has been so long since I heard anything from anybody on this group that I had forgotten I was a member. I am glad to see the references to DNA. I have a Morris/Maurice Gwin in the Old District 96 area in SC, for whom I have found no parents. I believe he was born about 1740, because he was a messenger in 1757 in this area and has several references written about him in the Indian Affairs books of SC. He lived along the Saluda River area next to Halfway Swamp. Several years ago his estate records surfaced when Edgefield Co., SC, found some very old records in a forgotten closet. Morris married Ruth about 1763, and died bef Mar 1794, according to his estate records. It is believed that he had a number sons and John, Morris, and David were named in his estate settlement and it is stated that these are some of his children who were previously given personal property. Also, it is believed that the following could be either children or brothers to Morris: Bryant, William, Leonard, George and Charles. Is there anyone else out there research this line or has information or leads to parents of this Morris Gwin line? Thanks, Davine Roberts Jacksonville, FL In a message dated 4/24/2008 1:47:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: This list has not been active in a long time.? I hope that there are still a few Gwinns (of whatever spelling) that are still on the list.? Are there any Gwinns out there who have taken a Y-DNA test?? I am particulary interested in the documented descendents of Robert Gwin of the Calfpasture (1715c-1780c) through his sons, David, Joseph, and Robert Jr.? I am also interested in any Gwinn descendents of Patrick Gwin and Jeannette McDonald--Patrick was supposedly the brother of Robert Gwin. I am a descendent of Samuel Gwinn, b.c 1751 in Augusta County, Virginia.? His father is believed to be the Robert Gwin who purchased 544 acres on the Calfpasture from Patton, Lewis and Beverly in 1745.? Robert may have come over from Ireland on the ship Walpole, James Patton, commanding, in 1738.? Many of the Calfpasture families were on that ship as Patton specifically brought them over for the purpose of settling the area and gaining title to the land. Because the surname Gwinn generally comes from the Welsh, gwyn, meaning fair or white, most of us properly assumed that our family could ultimately be traced back to Wales.? However, I recently took a 67-marker Y-DNA test from Family Tree DNA and obtained a suprising result.? My Y-DNA markers appear to match the haplogroup, R1b1c7---this group has recently been associated by Trinity College in Dublin with the Ui Niells--the descendents and/or kin of the Irish warlord, Niall of the Nine Hostages.? This group is distinctively Irish--it appears also in lowland?Scotland, but?rarely in Wales. I knew of another distant Gwinn relative, descended from a different son of Samuel Gwinn, b.c 1751, that had taken the Y-DNA test.? I checked with his niece and our markers matched with a difference of only 1 mutation.? This confirmed to me that there is probably not a non-paternal event (adoption, infidelity, illegitimacy, etc.) for our lines up to Samuel Gwinn.? Approximately 1 out of 12 Irishmen belong to the subclade R1b1c7; it reaches 20 percent or more in County Donegal; 3 million men worldwide; 1 out of 50 New Yorkers.? You can google Niall and find all sorts of references, but here is the Family Tree? DNA page on the topic: http://www.familytreedna.com/matchnialltest.html **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851)

I do not have any information on the South Carolina Gwins. If there are any living male descendents of this line, a DNA test would confirm whether this is a related or unrelated family to the Gwins of Augusta County, Virginia. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 2:46 pm Subject: Re: [GWIN] My Suprising Y-Chromosome DNA Results - Descendent of Robert Gwinn... Actually, it has been so long since I heard anything from anybody on this group that I had forgotten I was a member. I am glad to see the references to DNA. I have a Morris/Maurice Gwin in the Old District 96 area in SC, for whom I have found no parents. I believe he was born about 1740, because he was a messenger in 1757 in this area and has several references written about him in the Indian Affairs books of SC. He lived along the Saluda River area next to Halfway Swamp. Several years ago his estate records surfaced when Edgefield Co., SC, found some very old records in a forgotten closet. Morris married Ruth about 1763, and died bef Mar 1794, according to his estate records. It is believed that he had a number sons and John, Morris, and David were named in his estate settlement and it is stated that these are some of his children who were previously given personal property. Also, it is believed that the following could be either children or brothers to Morris: Bryant, William, Leonard, George and Charles. Is there anyone else out there research this line or has information or leads to parents of this Morris Gwin line? Thanks, Davine Roberts Jacksonville, FL In a message dated 4/24/2008 1:47:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: This list has not been active in a long time.? I hope that there are still a few Gwinns (of whatever spelling) that are still on the list.? Are there any Gwinns out there who have taken a Y-DNA test?? I am particulary interested in the documented descendents of Robert Gwin of the Calfpasture (1715c-1780c) through his sons, David, Joseph, and Robert Jr.? I am also interested in any Gwinn descendents of Patrick Gwin and Jeannette McDonald--Patrick was supposedly the brother of Robert Gwin. I am a descendent of Samuel Gwinn, b.c 1751 in Augusta County, Virginia.? His father is believed to be the Robert Gwin who purchased 544 acres on the Calfpasture from Patton, Lewis and Beverly in 1745.? Robert may have come over from Ireland on the ship Walpole, James Patton, commanding, in 1738.? Many of the Calfpasture families were on that ship as Patton specifically brought them over for the purpose of settling the area and gaining title to the land. Because the surname Gwinn generally comes from the Welsh, gwyn, meaning fair or white, most of us properly assumed that our family could ultimately be traced back to Wales.? However, I recently took a 67-marker Y-DNA test from Family Tree DNA and obtained a suprising result.? My Y-DNA markers appear to match the haplogroup, R1b1c7---this group has recently been associated by Trinity College in Dublin with the Ui Niells--the descendents and/or kin of the Irish warlord, Niall of the Nine Hostages.? This group is distinctively Irish--it appears also in lowland?Scotland, but?rarely in Wales. I knew of another distant Gwinn relative, descended from a different son of Samuel Gwinn, b.c 1751, that had taken the Y-DNA test.? I checked with his niece and our markers matched with a difference of only 1 mutation.? This confirmed to me that there is probably not a non-paternal event (adoption, infidelity, illegitimacy, etc.) for our lines up to Samuel Gwinn.? Approximately 1 out of 12 Irishmen belong to the subclade R1b1c7; it reaches 20 percent or more in County Donegal; 3 million men worldwide; 1 out of 50 New Yorkers.? You can google Niall and find all sorts of references, but here is the Family Tree? DNA page on the topic: http://www.familytreedna.com/matchnialltest.html **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message