the earliest Gwin I have is Mordecai, who died in 1785 in Hillsboro, NC. His brother, name unk, is my ancestor ----- Original Message ---- From: Jeanette Whytrock <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:49:47 PM Subject: Re: [GWIN] My Suprising Y-Chromosome DNA Results - Descendent of Robert Gwinn... I haven't gone back that far yet. I have John Gwin Born about 1755 no place or other information. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 12:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GWIN] My Suprising Y-Chromosome DNA Results - Descendent of Robert Gwinn... Actually, it has been so long since I heard anything from anybody on this  group that I had forgotten I was a member.  I am glad to see the references to DNA. I have a Morris/Maurice Gwin in the Old District 96 area in SC, for whom I  have found no parents.  I believe he was born about 1740, because he was a  messenger in 1757 in this area and has several references written about him in  the Indian Affairs books of SC.  He lived along the Saluda River area next to Halfway Swamp.  Several years ago his estate records surfaced  when Edgefield Co., SC, found some very old records in a forgotten  closet.  Morris married Ruth about 1763, and died bef Mar 1794,  according to his estate records. It is believed that he had a  number sons and John, Morris, and David were named in his  estate settlement and it is stated that these are some of his children who were previously given personal property.  Also, it is believed  that the following could be either children or brothers to Morris:  Bryant,  William, Leonard, George and Charles. Is there anyone else out there research this line or has  information or leads to parents of this Morris Gwin line? Thanks, Davine Roberts Jacksonville, FL In a message dated 4/24/2008 1:47:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  [email protected] writes: This  list has not been active in a long time.? I hope that there are still a few  Gwinns (of whatever spelling) that are still on the list.? Are there  any Gwinns out there who have taken a Y-DNA test?? I am particulary interested  in the documented descendents of Robert Gwin of the Calfpasture (1715c-1780c)  through his sons, David, Joseph, and Robert Jr.? I am also interested in any  Gwinn descendents of Patrick Gwin and Jeannette McDonald--Patrick was  supposedly the brother of Robert Gwin. I am a descendent of Samuel  Gwinn, b.c 1751 in Augusta County, Virginia.? His father is believed to be the  Robert Gwin who purchased 544 acres on the Calfpasture from Patton, Lewis and  Beverly in 1745.? Robert may have come over from Ireland on the ship Walpole,  James Patton, commanding, in 1738.? Many of the Calfpasture families were on  that ship as Patton specifically brought them over for the purpose of settling  the area and gaining title to the land. Because the surname Gwinn  generally comes from the Welsh, gwyn, meaning fair or white, most of us  properly assumed that our family could ultimately be traced back to Wales.?  However, I recently took a 67-marker Y-DNA test from Family Tree DNA and  obtained a suprising result.? My Y-DNA markers appear to match the haplogroup,  R1b1c7---this group has recently been associated by Trinity College in Dublin  with the Ui Niells--the descendents and/or kin of the Irish warlord, Niall of  the Nine Hostages.? This group is distinctively Irish--it appears also in  lowland?Scotland, but?rarely in Wales. I knew of another distant Gwinn  relative, descended from a different son of Samuel Gwinn, b.c 1751, that had  taken the Y-DNA test.? I checked with his niece and our markers matched with a  difference of only 1 mutation.? This confirmed to me that there is probably  not a non-paternal event (adoption, infidelity, illegitimacy, etc.) for our  lines up to Samuel Gwinn.? Approximately 1 out of 12 Irishmen  belong to the subclade R1b1c7; it reaches 20 percent or more in County  Donegal; 3 million men worldwide; 1 out of 50 New Yorkers.? You can google  Niall and find all sorts of references, but here is the Family Tree? DNA page  on the topic:  http://www.familytreedna.com/matchnialltest.html **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos.      (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message