Most people with the Gwin, Gwinn, Gwyn, etc.?name?are of Welsh descent.? However, not all Gwins are related. My particular Gwinn line appears to be of Irish origin. This means that my line either has no Welsh connection (due to a surname mutation--for example a mutation from Quinn to Gwinn)?or it was a Welsh family that acquired an Irish paternal bloodline. There are several ways this could happen--including a non-paternal event.?Some Gwyns in Wales claimed descent from an Irish prince Brychan (founder of the Kingdom of Brychieniog) and there were Irish incursions into Wales during the Dark Ages. At this point, all I can say with confidence is that Samuel Gwinn, b.c. 1751 in Augusta, had a haplotype R1b1c7 which?indicates an origin in Northwest?Ireland.?I know this because?my haplotype (through Samuel's son John) matches another?male?Gwinn?who is?descended from Samuel's son, Samuel Jr.?? Y-DNA tests of male descendants of Robert Gwin's other sons (Captain David, Robert Jr., Joseph and James) could confirm?that Robert Gwin was R1b1c7.?It should turn out that way if?the various genealogical records and?recollections are correct.?But?we will never know unless it is tested. ? -----Original Message----- From: Jeanette Whytrock <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:36 pm Subject: Re: [GWIN] My Suprising Y-Chromosome DNA Results - Descendent of Robert Gwinn of the Calfpasture So what you are saying is that our Gwin roots are Irish? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 10:46 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [GWIN] My Suprising Y-Chromosome DNA Results - Descendent of Robert Gwinn of the Calfpasture This list has not been active in a long time.? I hope that there are still a few Gwinns (of whatever spelling) that are still on the list.? Are there any Gwinns out there who have taken a Y-DNA test?? I am particulary interested in the documented descendents of Robert Gwin of the Calfpasture (1715c-1780c) through his sons, David, Joseph, and Robert Jr.? I am also interested in any Gwinn descendents of Patrick Gwin and Jeannette McDonald--Patrick was supposedly the brother of Robert Gwin. I am a descendent of Samuel Gwinn, b.c 1751 in Augusta County, Virginia.? His father is believed to be the Robert Gwin who purchased 544 acres on the Calfpasture from Patton, Lewis and Beverly in 1745.? Robert may have come over from Ireland on the ship Walpole, James Patton, commanding, in 1738.? Many of the Calfpasture families were on that ship as Patton specifically brought them over for the purpose of settling the area and gaining title to the land. Because the surname Gwinn generally comes from the Welsh, gwyn, meaning fair or white, most of us properly assumed that our family could ultimately be traced back to Wales.? However, I recently took a 67-marker Y-DNA test from Family Tree DNA and obtained a suprising result.? My Y-DNA markers appear to match the haplogroup, R1b1c7---this group has recently been associated by Trinity College in Dublin with the Ui Niells--the descendents and/or kin of the Irish warlord, Niall of the Nine Hostages.? This group is distinctively Irish--it appears also in lowland?Scotland, but?rarely in Wales. I knew of another distant Gwinn relative, descended from a different son of Samuel Gwinn, b.c 1751, that had taken the Y-DNA test.? I checked with his niece and our markers matched with a difference of only 1 mutation.? This confirmed to me that there is probably not a non-paternal event (adoption, infidelity, illegitimacy, etc.) for our lines up to Samuel Gwinn.? Approximately 1 out of 12 Irishmen belong to the subclade R1b1c7; it reaches 20 percent or more in County Donegal; 3 million men worldwide; 1 out of 50 New Yorkers.? You can google Niall and find all sorts of references, but here is the Family Tree? DNA page on the topic: http://www.familytreedna.com/matchnialltest.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message