In a message dated 4/18/05 7:56:51 PM, [email protected] writes: > Hi: > > JAMES GWIN (1765-1841) who lived in Tennessee had a son WILLIAM born I would > say c. 1793. His father JAMES was a Methodist minister of sorts...so that > would tie in..... > > Harris > Austin, Tx. > Harris, The William McKendree above was born 1805 and died 1885. Dr./Senator William Gwin was the first senator from the state of Califorinia. ( "Between Two Empires; the life story of California's first senator, William McKendree Gwin", by Thomas, Lately,1969) To call Rev. James Gwin a "Methodist minister of sorts" is certainly an understatement! Rev. Gwin was a friend of Andrew Jackson and a host of the founding fathers of Methodism in America including Bishop William McKendree for whom James' son was named. I saw one note that said it was Rev. James Gwin who gave General Andrew Jackson the land on which the Hermitage would be built. Terry L. Coats 226 Swift Drive Goodlettsville, TN. 615-859-3830 [email protected]

Hi: JAMES GWIN (1765-1841) who lived in Tennessee had a son WILLIAM born I would say c. 1793. His father JAMES was a Methodist minister of sorts...so that would tie in..... Harris Austin, Tx. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Wiley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 6:37 PM Subject: Re: Gwins of NC and Tenn >I am not sure where he fits into the family. I can't place him with even > one other Gwin, Gwinn, Guin, or Guinn family. He seemed to follow the > same > geographic pattern as the Reverend William Guinn of Grundy County, TN. > His > marriage license was in Washington Co, TN in 1786/1787, then he was in > Carter County, then Warren County, then Franklin County and died in > Jackson > County, AL circa 1830. He seems to have always had young children in his > household. The only known child was a "three year old son, Charles, "a > mulatto child", who was indentured in 1791. His wife's name was > Dorcas/Darkus Williams. She may have been Indian. That is about all the > information ANYONE can find on him. Very elusive. > Thanks for looking. Maybe someone will run across him. > Sharon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 8:56 PM > Subject: Re: Gwins of NC and Tenn > > >> >> In a message dated 4/16/05 6:35:30 PM, [email protected] writes: >> >> >> > Can someone look in the book and tell me if there is a Champ Gwin >> > mentioned? >> > He was born circa 1765, either VA or NC and died circa 1830 in Jackson >> > County, AL. >> > Thanks. >> > Sharon Guynn Wiley >> > >> >> Sharon where do you think he fits into the family. He is not in the index > of >> Cathy's book and the Hornback book is not indexed. >> >> >> >> Terry L. Coats >> 226 Swift Drive >> Goodlettsville, TN. >> 615-859-3830 >> [email protected] >> >> >> ============================== >> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> -- >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/2005 >> >> > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/2005 > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > >

Audrey, Bit of bad luck I'm afraid. I cannot find this individual in Jesse Blaine Gwin's book. I did find some Samuel's, variouis spellings, but they were either too late, i.e. born after your Samuel's death, or from a different area of the country (Virginia, Tennessee, etc.). I can find no information on this family. I checked all spellings (Guinn, Gwin, Gwinn, Gwyn, Gwynn, etc.) and could not find this family. I tried using the names of his children and could not find them either. Sure wish I could have helped more, but there just isn't anything on this family in the book. I wish I could have helped more, I know how hard it is when you hit a brick wall, trying to get through it. If you come up with anything else, I will look again. Paul -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 10:37 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: The Book of the Gwinns/Gwynns Hi Paul, BY any chance does your book have anything in it about Samuel Guinn/Gwin(n) who died in Surry Co, NC before 1785 (will abstract below). I am hoping to find out who his parents were, where they came from, and hopefully, which one of his daughters married Joseph England. I know that his daughter Margaret married Daniel England, but know really nothing about any of his other children. Surry Co, NC will abstract book : 2:60a Will of Samuel Guinn, 7 JUL 1784. Wife Deborah. Son: John Guin, 5 sh sterl and no more. Sons Samuel, Nathaniel, Foster and William get land after their mother's death. 9 children: Samuel, Nathaniel, Andrew, William, Rebekah, Suannah, Jean, Margaret, and Isabella--will divide the moveable estate. Exrs: wife and Valentine Reece who is to bind sone William to some good trade. Wit:Daniel Bills, Samuel Guinn, Jr , Jabez Jarvis. Prvd by Jabez Jarvis and rec. Feb Ct. 1785. {NOTE: Surry Count Minutes of Cour of P & Q's show the Valentine Reese qualified 16 FEB 1785, inventory returned 14 NOV 1787. On the 1782 tax list, Samuel Guinn is shown with 200 A on Forbish Creek. The 1785 tax list of Capt. Wright shows Deborah Guinn with 200 A, no polls. The 1786 tax lists shows her with same listing and Samuel Gwin (sic) with 1 wp. The 1786 State census, Capt. Krouse's distric, show Deborah Gqin (sic) with 1 wm 21-60, 1 wm-21-60+, 2 wf. 2:96a Inv. of Saml. Gwin decd incl 200A, Bible given to son Samuel and one to son Nathaniel. Wit: Valentine (X) Reese. Rec. May ct. 1787. Thanks so much for any help. Audrey In a message dated 4/15/2005 5:01:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:03:30 -0500 From: "Paul Gwynn" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: RE: The Book of the Gwinns/Gwynns ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429

In a message dated 4/17/05 6:38:13 PM, [email protected] writes: > Can someone look in the book and tell me if there is a Champ Gwin > > > mentioned? > > > He was born circa 1765, either VA or NC and died circa 1830 in Jackson > > > County, AL. > > > Thanks. > > > Sharon Guynn Wiley > Sharon, Champ Ferguson is one of my heros. Sorry to hear your Champ was fighting against my Champ. I was unable to find your ancestor in either of my books. Maybe someone else on this list can help you. Terry L. Coats [email protected]

I am not sure where he fits into the family. I can't place him with even one other Gwin, Gwinn, Guin, or Guinn family. He seemed to follow the same geographic pattern as the Reverend William Guinn of Grundy County, TN. His marriage license was in Washington Co, TN in 1786/1787, then he was in Carter County, then Warren County, then Franklin County and died in Jackson County, AL circa 1830. He seems to have always had young children in his household. The only known child was a "three year old son, Charles, "a mulatto child", who was indentured in 1791. His wife's name was Dorcas/Darkus Williams. She may have been Indian. That is about all the information ANYONE can find on him. Very elusive. Thanks for looking. Maybe someone will run across him. Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 8:56 PM Subject: Re: Gwins of NC and Tenn > > In a message dated 4/16/05 6:35:30 PM, [email protected] writes: > > > > Can someone look in the book and tell me if there is a Champ Gwin > > mentioned? > > He was born circa 1765, either VA or NC and died circa 1830 in Jackson > > County, AL. > > Thanks. > > Sharon Guynn Wiley > > > > Sharon where do you think he fits into the family. He is not in the index of > Cathy's book and the Hornback book is not indexed. > > > > Terry L. Coats > 226 Swift Drive > Goodlettsville, TN. > 615-859-3830 > [email protected] > > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/2005 > > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/2005

Hi all, Thank you Terry for the address for Joyce Hornback. As to the name of Champ Gwin, I have seen that name before but have to do some digging to find out where. My Guinn's lived in Fentress Co. TN which was previously part of N.C. as most of you know. They lived there from about 1800 until sometime around 1830s when that part of Tenn was resurveyed, and I'm told then it became part of Clinton Co. KY. They never moved, just the state line moved. If you look at maps of that area, you can see where the line changed around that time. I have a program that shows the changes. Anyway, Not all the Guinn's ended up in KY. There was a David "Tinker" Beaty who was a cousin of the Guinn's who, during the Civil war, had a guerilla unit in Fentress County, and one of my Guinn ancestors fought with him. Tinker Dave had an arch enemy named Champion "Champ" Ferguson, and they were on opposite sides of the war, so they continued their feud under the guise of patriotism! My point is, that the name Champ or Champion might have had a significance for some people, enough for them to name their children that. And one of my offshoot cousins told me we had a Champ somewhere in our line who may have moved to Texas about 1880-1890. Those Guinn's may have gone to Wise Co., TX. The name may have originated around the 1830s so a look into history could give us a clue of where it came from. I'll look in my files and if I find anything I'll post it. I must tell you, I have been very unorganized for a long time!! Peggy Guinn Bowen

In a message dated 4/16/05 6:03:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Address on the inside of book is Joyce Gwin Hornback 431 Apple Valley Rd, Pearl Miss. 39208 (1982, but I talked with her within last few years ) I talked to her several years ago, and she had moved to Houston, Texas. Her phone number at that time was 281-580-7758. She was living at 6522 Greenvale Lane, Houston, TX 77066-3823. Davine

In a message dated 4/16/05 6:35:30 PM, [email protected] writes: > Can someone look in the book and tell me if there is a Champ Gwin > mentioned? > He was born circa 1765, either VA or NC and died circa 1830 in Jackson > County, AL. > Thanks. > Sharon Guynn Wiley > Sharon where do you think he fits into the family. He is not in the index of Cathy's book and the Hornback book is not indexed. Terry L. Coats 226 Swift Drive Goodlettsville, TN. 615-859-3830 [email protected]

Can someone look in the book and tell me if there is a Champ Gwin mentioned? He was born circa 1765, either VA or NC and died circa 1830 in Jackson County, AL. Thanks. Sharon Guynn Wiley ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 6:03 PM Subject: Re: Gwins of NC and Tenn > > In a message dated 4/16/05 3:20:08 PM, [email protected] writes: > > > > Terry, > > Can you tell me how I can get a copy of Hornback's book, Gwins of N.C. and > > Tenn? > > Peggy Guinn Bowen > > > > > > Address on the inside of book is Joyce Gwin Hornback 431 Apple Valley Rd, > Pearl Miss. 39208 (1982, but I talked with her within last few years ) > > > > Terry L. Coats > 226 Swift Drive > Goodlettsville, TN. > 615-859-3830 > [email protected] > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/2005 > > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/2005

In a message dated 4/16/05 3:20:08 PM, [email protected] writes: > Terry, > Can you tell me how I can get a copy of Hornback's book, Gwins of N.C. and > Tenn? > Peggy Guinn Bowen > > Address on the inside of book is Joyce Gwin Hornback 431 Apple Valley Rd, Pearl Miss. 39208 (1982, but I talked with her within last few years ) Terry L. Coats 226 Swift Drive Goodlettsville, TN. 615-859-3830 [email protected]

Terry, Can you tell me how I can get a copy of Hornback's book, Gwins of N.C. and Tenn? Peggy Guinn Bowen

Hi, My name is Rochell Gwinn Clark and my line runs in Woodruff and Spartanburg S.C. I would love to trade info with you, maybe we can figure out more with two heads lol. looking forward to hearing from you, Rochell

In a message dated 4/14/05 9:04:42 AM, [email protected] writes: > Hi: > > Would you look up MORDECAI GWIN c. 1720 - 1784...Died in N. C. > > Thanks, > > Harris > Austin, Tx. > I have two books, The Gwin's of NC and Tenn and related Families by Joyce Gwin Hornback and THE GWINS from Early Welsh Kings to Present tby Cathy Folkey that deal with this family. Both these books are on Mordicai's family. This is my line. Terry L. Coats 226 Swift Drive Goodlettsville, TN. 615-859-3830 [email protected]

Hi Paul, BY any chance does your book have anything in it about Samuel Guinn/Gwin(n) who died in Surry Co, NC before 1785 (will abstract below). I am hoping to find out who his parents were, where they came from, and hopefully, which one of his daughters married Joseph England. I know that his daughter Margaret married Daniel England, but know really nothing about any of his other children. Surry Co, NC will abstract book : 2:60a Will of Samuel Guinn, 7 JUL 1784. Wife Deborah. Son: John Guin, 5 sh sterl and no more. Sons Samuel, Nathaniel, Foster and William get land after their mother's death. 9 children: Samuel, Nathaniel, Andrew, William, Rebekah, Suannah, Jean, Margaret, and Isabella--will divide the moveable estate. Exrs: wife and Valentine Reece who is to bind sone William to some good trade. Wit:Daniel Bills, Samuel Guinn, Jr , Jabez Jarvis. Prvd by Jabez Jarvis and rec. Feb Ct. 1785. {NOTE: Surry Count Minutes of Cour of P & Q's show the Valentine Reese qualified 16 FEB 1785, inventory returned 14 NOV 1787. On the 1782 tax list, Samuel Guinn is shown with 200 A on Forbish Creek. The 1785 tax list of Capt. Wright shows Deborah Guinn with 200 A, no polls. The 1786 tax lists shows her with same listing and Samuel Gwin (sic) with 1 wp. The 1786 State census, Capt. Krouse's distric, show Deborah Gqin (sic) with 1 wm 21-60, 1 wm-21-60+, 2 wf. 2:96a Inv. of Saml. Gwin decd incl 200A, Bible given to son Samuel and one to son Nathaniel. Wit: Valentine (X) Reese. Rec. May ct. 1787. Thanks so much for any help. Audrey In a message dated 4/15/2005 5:01:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:03:30 -0500 From: "Paul Gwynn" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: RE: The Book of the Gwinns/Gwynns

Hi: Thanks so much. I wonder if any of these Gwins were connected??? Harris Husted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Gwynn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:03 AM Subject: RE: The Book of the Gwinns/Gwynns > Harris, > > You are in luck, I think. This may be the individual you are looking for > but it gives very little. It is under the title of North Carolina in > Jesse > Blaine Gwin's book. Here is the relevant portion of this entry from page > 17 > of his book: > > "...... > > There were early Gwyn settlers in Caswell County, North Carolina. Among > the > first recorded in the Land Deed Books is Daniel Gwyn, b. 1751, d. 1809. > Amoung his descendants are Zeri Gwyn and Rice Gwyn. Descendants of these > are now found in Danville, Virginia. > > L.A. Gwinn was a member of the House of Commons from Caswell County in > 1777. > He was a delegate to amend the Constitution in 1835. > > John Gwin married Sarah Harper, February 26, 1782, in Rowan County, North > Carolina. > > In Orange County, North Carolina, the Will of Mordecai Gwinn, probated in > 1785, lists his children as Edward, John, Mordecai, Mary, Sarah, and > Elizabeth. > > In Orange County the Will of Daniel Gwinn gives his children as William > and > Polly. > > Peter Gwin married Sarah Taylor, November 21, 1769, in Rowan County, North > Carolina." > > That's it. It is the only place in the entire book where the name > Mordecai > is mentioned. From the date frame and area you gave, this must be the > Mordecai you are looking for. Wish there was more information, but this > is > all there was. Sure hope it helps. > > If I can help futher, please let me know. > > Paul > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Harris Husted [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 12:10 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: The Book of the Gwinns/Gwynns > > > Hi: > > Would you look up MORDECAI GWIN c. 1720 - 1784...Died in N. C. > > Thanks, > > Harris > Austin, Tx. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Gwynn" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 11:37 AM > Subject: The Book of the Gwinns/Gwynns > > >> Me Again, >> >> Just for your information, probably the best book I have found on the >> Gwynn/Gwinn/Gwin line is the one by Jesse Blaine Gwin. I am not sure >> when >> it was written, but the title is "The History of the >> Gwin/Gwinn/Gwinne/Gwynn/Gwyn/Gwynne Family" by Jesse Blaine Gwin. It >> covers >> many different lines of the earliest families that came to America from >> Europe. I found my ancestors there and it might be of value to some of >> you. >> If you would like, I would be most happy to look up information on an >> individual for you that you may be having difficulty with. But give me >> some >> time, especially if I get a lot of requests. I am going out of town this >> weekend, so I will not be back before next Tuesday, but if you want, go >> ahead and send your requests and I will do what I can. What I will need, >> if >> at all possible is a time frame, date of birth or death would be great, >> spouse if known, names of parents or siblings or children if known, and >> the >> area or state where they were supposed to have lived. I will do my best >> to >> find them if they are in the book. However, just saying can you find >> James >> Gwin from 1840 will not work. There must be 40 James Gwins in the book. >> I >> need a bit more information that just the name. >> >> It is easy to see by reading the book that Gwynns/Gwinns changed the >> spelling of their name like most of us change socks. I found out that my >> great great great grandfather's real name was Joseph Gwynne, however, >> that >> was also the name of his grandfather, his uncle, and his cousin. So to >> make >> things easier, they gave him the nickname Josephus. Well, I looked for >> years for his ancestors until I ran across two wills on the now defunct >> (I >> think) U.S. Gen Web site that had the will of his grandfather and his >> grandmother, both prominently listing Josephus. Long story stort, by >> luck, >> also found him in the court records in Greene County, Pennsylvania and >> what >> he had done was left home at the age of 18 and headed west, to Indiana, >> where he kept his nickname, dropped the e from his name and thus Josephus >> Gwynn, my ggg grandfather, who was actually borne Joseph Gwynne in Greene >> County, Pennsylvania. >> >> I have even found ancestors in my line that spelled the name Gwinn, Gwin, >> and one Gwyne. Often, it was not them that did the spelling, as with >> census >> takers. The one writing it down did not necessarily know hnow to spell >> it, >> neither did the person giving them the information, and often, it was >> spelled the way it sounded. Thus, just because it is spelled >> differently, >> don't be too quick to rule that person out as a possible ancestor. The >> best >> thing they ever came up with is the Soundex system. That way, even >> though >> you get some unrelated names, you do get all the ones of the various >> Gwynn/Gwinn spellings and can more easily wade through that information >> rather than just concentrating on spelling, which may or may not be the >> one >> your ancestors used. Lastly, often they spelled it differently in Europe >> than here. I know may Gwynne/Gwinne familes that dropped the e on coming >> to >> America. Someone told me that although the name is indeed of Welsh >> lineage >> and ancestry, the e on the end was the "Old English" spelling of the >> name, >> just like in England today, color is spelled "colour". >> >> Paul >> >> >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. 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Harris, You are in luck, I think. This may be the individual you are looking for but it gives very little. It is under the title of North Carolina in Jesse Blaine Gwin's book. Here is the relevant portion of this entry from page 17 of his book: "...... There were early Gwyn settlers in Caswell County, North Carolina. Among the first recorded in the Land Deed Books is Daniel Gwyn, b. 1751, d. 1809. Amoung his descendants are Zeri Gwyn and Rice Gwyn. Descendants of these are now found in Danville, Virginia. L.A. Gwinn was a member of the House of Commons from Caswell County in 1777. He was a delegate to amend the Constitution in 1835. John Gwin married Sarah Harper, February 26, 1782, in Rowan County, North Carolina. In Orange County, North Carolina, the Will of Mordecai Gwinn, probated in 1785, lists his children as Edward, John, Mordecai, Mary, Sarah, and Elizabeth. In Orange County the Will of Daniel Gwinn gives his children as William and Polly. Peter Gwin married Sarah Taylor, November 21, 1769, in Rowan County, North Carolina." That's it. It is the only place in the entire book where the name Mordecai is mentioned. From the date frame and area you gave, this must be the Mordecai you are looking for. Wish there was more information, but this is all there was. Sure hope it helps. If I can help futher, please let me know. Paul -----Original Message----- From: Harris Husted [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 12:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: The Book of the Gwinns/Gwynns Hi: Would you look up MORDECAI GWIN c. 1720 - 1784...Died in N. C. Thanks, Harris Austin, Tx. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Gwynn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 11:37 AM Subject: The Book of the Gwinns/Gwynns > Me Again, > > Just for your information, probably the best book I have found on the > Gwynn/Gwinn/Gwin line is the one by Jesse Blaine Gwin. I am not sure when > it was written, but the title is "The History of the > Gwin/Gwinn/Gwinne/Gwynn/Gwyn/Gwynne Family" by Jesse Blaine Gwin. It > covers > many different lines of the earliest families that came to America from > Europe. I found my ancestors there and it might be of value to some of > you. > If you would like, I would be most happy to look up information on an > individual for you that you may be having difficulty with. But give me > some > time, especially if I get a lot of requests. I am going out of town this > weekend, so I will not be back before next Tuesday, but if you want, go > ahead and send your requests and I will do what I can. What I will need, > if > at all possible is a time frame, date of birth or death would be great, > spouse if known, names of parents or siblings or children if known, and > the > area or state where they were supposed to have lived. I will do my best > to > find them if they are in the book. However, just saying can you find > James > Gwin from 1840 will not work. There must be 40 James Gwins in the book. > I > need a bit more information that just the name. > > It is easy to see by reading the book that Gwynns/Gwinns changed the > spelling of their name like most of us change socks. I found out that my > great great great grandfather's real name was Joseph Gwynne, however, that > was also the name of his grandfather, his uncle, and his cousin. So to > make > things easier, they gave him the nickname Josephus. Well, I looked for > years for his ancestors until I ran across two wills on the now defunct (I > think) U.S. Gen Web site that had the will of his grandfather and his > grandmother, both prominently listing Josephus. Long story stort, by > luck, > also found him in the court records in Greene County, Pennsylvania and > what > he had done was left home at the age of 18 and headed west, to Indiana, > where he kept his nickname, dropped the e from his name and thus Josephus > Gwynn, my ggg grandfather, who was actually borne Joseph Gwynne in Greene > County, Pennsylvania. > > I have even found ancestors in my line that spelled the name Gwinn, Gwin, > and one Gwyne. Often, it was not them that did the spelling, as with > census > takers. The one writing it down did not necessarily know hnow to spell > it, > neither did the person giving them the information, and often, it was > spelled the way it sounded. Thus, just because it is spelled differently, > don't be too quick to rule that person out as a possible ancestor. The > best > thing they ever came up with is the Soundex system. That way, even though > you get some unrelated names, you do get all the ones of the various > Gwynn/Gwinn spellings and can more easily wade through that information > rather than just concentrating on spelling, which may or may not be the > one > your ancestors used. Lastly, often they spelled it differently in Europe > than here. I know may Gwynne/Gwinne familes that dropped the e on coming > to > America. Someone told me that although the name is indeed of Welsh > lineage > and ancestry, the e on the end was the "Old English" spelling of the name, > just like in England today, color is spelled "colour". > > Paul > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. 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Thank you, Franki. Actually, Champ was first found in North Carolina, near the Champion family. Seemed to be near some Champion's in TN also, but there never really seemed to be a connection other than location. Thanks for your help, though. Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Cramer" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 10:29 AM Subject: Champion > Sharon, > The Champion name in my family goes back to VA 1600's to Edward Champion and his daughter Phillis who married Elias Fort. Their gt gt granddaughter Sarah Isabella Fort married Jeptha Decatur Gwin/Guinn. I do not find Champion used as a first name in any family records, however I do not have middle names for many of the ancestors. As far as I know none of my Guinn/Gwin ancestors migrated to TN. That doesn't mean it didn't happen. Also, Champion family branches moved from VA to NC in 1700's. Could be you have a connection with one of the Champion families by way of another Gwin family. Seemed to be several unrelated Gwinn's in that area at that time. Will keep my eye open for Champ Gwin. > Franki > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.8.6 - Release Date: 3/30/2005 > > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.8.6 - Release Date: 3/30/2005

Sharon, The Champion name in my family goes back to VA 1600's to Edward Champion and his daughter Phillis who married Elias Fort. Their gt gt granddaughter Sarah Isabella Fort married Jeptha Decatur Gwin/Guinn. I do not find Champion used as a first name in any family records, however I do not have middle names for many of the ancestors. As far as I know none of my Guinn/Gwin ancestors migrated to TN. That doesn't mean it didn't happen. Also, Champion family branches moved from VA to NC in 1700's. Could be you have a connection with one of the Champion families by way of another Gwin family. Seemed to be several unrelated Gwinn's in that area at that time. Will keep my eye open for Champ Gwin. Franki

Margaret: I think you and I may have corresponded several years ago regarding these "contrary" Champ/Champion Gwin/Guin/Guinn's! I know a little more about all three of them. Please email me. Thanks. Sharon Guynn Wiley [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Guinn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 10:58 PM Subject: Re: Book on Guin > Dodee, > Could you look in your book for a Champion Guinn or Guin in Hardin County, > Tn around 1850 - 60? If you find him, could you send me the info on > ordering the book? > Thanks, > Margaret Guinn - Tn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 4:29 PM > Subject: Book on Guin > > > > Someone let me know about a book that had been written about my line of > > Guins. The book is "Remember Mee" by Bertha Cordes Schuchmann of NE Iowa. > > > > She writes of the move from Ohio to Iowa by Jacob Solomon Guin (Maria > > Wade) > > and tell the story of James Wilson Guin (Mary Catherine Speed). She > > touches on > > Jacob's father, Neal Guin who supposedly came from Ireland and also on my > > grandfather Edgar LeRoy Guin, son of James. > > > > It was really good to find some documentation of this line. > > > > If any one is interested in the book, I have info on ordering it. > > > > Dodee Guin Davis > > > > > > ============================== > > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.8.6 - Release Date: 3/30/2005 > > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.8.6 - Release Date: 3/30/2005

Franki: I notice in your list of surnames both the name Gwin and Champion. I have researched for years a Champ Gwin, born circa 1765, not to be confused with the two younger Champion Gwin's. Have you, or anyone else, found any information on this person? He appears in 1820 and 1830 census records in TN, but apparently died around 1830. I am mainly seeking the names of his children. In all census records from 1800 forward he always had young children in his household. Thank you for any info you can provide. Sharon Guynn Wiley Gwin, Guinn, Williams (Washington Co, TN, Carter Co, TN, Warren Co, TN, Franklin Co, TN, Jackson Co, AL) ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Cramer" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 2:04 PM Subject: Thomas > Hi Peggy and thanks for the reply. Thomas and Elizabeth named their sons: Richard, John, Littleton, Jesse, William, Jeptha, Thompson T., and Chesley. Their daughters were Mary, Milly, Sarah, Elizabeth and Nancy. I do not know the birth order of these children, however I know the names of most of the spouses of these people. I have been stuck for years with my VA research. Somewhere I remember seeing Thomas' father was born in 1743 or 46. Several of > Thomas' sons moved from SC to Alabama, John later moved to Texas, but I have no information about them after that. My ancestor, Jeptha Decatur stayed in SC and raised his family. Thanks for any help you can offer. > > Franki Gwin Cramer > Gwin/Guinn/Gwinn/Gwyn > Gwin/Littleton/Ross/White/Fort/Champion/Atkinson > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.8.6 - Release Date: 3/30/2005 > > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.8.6 - Release Date: 3/30/2005