At 07:15 AM 8/23/2005, you wrote: >Holly, have you or anyone else did any research on land records or tax >records before the 1790 census? I am desperately searching for parents of >my Maurice/Morris Gwin, Guin, Guinn, Gwyn, Gwynn, etc. who was in SC as >early as 1757. Not on Gwins and not in SC. Have you tried land records to see who he traded land back & forth with? Or wills? --Holly

Holly, have you or anyone else did any research on land records or tax records before the 1790 census? I am desperately searching for parents of my Maurice/Morris Gwin, Guin, Guinn, Gwyn, Gwynn, etc. who was in SC as early as 1757. Thanks, Davine -----Original Message----- From: Holly Cochran <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 21:53:52 -0700 Subject: Guinn/Gwinn censuses (VA) available In my sporadic efforts to untangle the Virginia/West VA Guinn/Gwinn families, I have uploaded a bunch of census data for these families. Feel free to use it. My Gwin site is at http://www.riverduck.com/genealogy/gwin and the new census data is for Guin(n)/Gwin(n) families of: 1820 Virginia (Augusta) 1840 Virginia (Augusta, Bath, Culpeper, Fayette, Kanawha, Monroe, Pendleton) 1850 Virginia (Augusta, Bath, Culpeper, Greenbrier (part), Fayette, Highland, Monroe, Wood) 1860 Virginia (Fayette, Greenbrier, Monroe, Nicholas, Wood) 1870 Virginia (Wood) --Holly ------------------- Holly Cochran - Hollyhock Press (publisher of Bath/Highland VA books) http://www.hollyhockpress.com/ Please check out our 1/2 price sale on selected books. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

In my sporadic efforts to untangle the Virginia/West VA Guinn/Gwinn families, I have uploaded a bunch of census data for these families. Feel free to use it. My Gwin site is at http://www.riverduck.com/genealogy/gwin and the new census data is for Guin(n)/Gwin(n) families of: 1820 Virginia (Augusta) 1840 Virginia (Augusta, Bath, Culpeper, Fayette, Kanawha, Monroe, Pendleton) 1850 Virginia (Augusta, Bath, Culpeper, Greenbrier (part), Fayette, Highland, Monroe, Wood) 1860 Virginia (Fayette, Greenbrier, Monroe, Nicholas, Wood) 1870 Virginia (Wood) --Holly ------------------- Holly Cochran - Hollyhock Press (publisher of Bath/Highland VA books) http://www.hollyhockpress.com/ Please check out our 1/2 price sale on selected books.

Does anybody know who this family is? 31 July 1850, Fayette co, VA, district 14 page 341 John Guinn, 43, farmer, all birthplaces blank Mary, 37 Eliza, 15 Nicias [or Niaias? maybe Niclas/Nicholas] A., 11 (male) Eveline, 7 [female] James, 4 Lucretia, 9 mos. This John was born about 1807. I cannot locate the family in 1860 with the possible exception of a Lucretia J. Guinn, age 11, living with Wm (40) and Mary E. (31) Taylor in Fayette co. In 1860, Summersville, Nicholas co, there is a Mary Ann Guinn, 48, born Monroe co, in the house of John (41) and Ida (52) Young - Ida also b. Monroe co, and a Lucretia Wood, 72, midwife, b. Monroe. Mary Ann *could* be the mother from the 1850 family, but if so, did the other youngsters die? She was not in Nicholas co in 1850. Then I start to think maybe Mary Ann and Ida are sisters and Lucretia Wood is their mother - note Mary in 1850 named a daughter Lucretia. So then I found a marriage that fits the place, time, and names - JOHN GUINN & MARY WOOD 27 April 1832 Fayette co. But who is he? John b. 1807 is too young to be the John who married Sally George (he was b. 1790). Fayette is so near Summers/Nicholas/Greenbrier that I would assume he is a descendant of Samuel of that area, but from whom? Thanks, Holly

Hello Nancy What is your line from John and Mary Gwin..Thanks Looking forward to your answer, maybe ours connect somehow ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 6:50 PM Subject: Re: Ann Givens post Ann, I'm confused when you say you may be chasing the wrong John and Mary Gwin. Which one of these children you mention is your ancestor? Starting with yourself and going back, do you have a clear path back to John and Mary? And how did you hone in on them? Lots of us are researching John Gwin/Guinn/Gwinn(etc). Peggy Guinn Bowen ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

I am Ann Folsom Givens, My husband is George D Givens, George was born in Cleveland, Pawnee County Okla 2-22=1941, son of Thurman and Irene Henson Givens..Thurman was born in Cleveland , Pawnee county Jan 16-1917 to George Washington and Lily Belle Gwin Givens....Lily Belle Gwin Givens was born in Joplin Missouri in 1877 to Alexander and Harriett Givens Gwin...Alexander Gwin was born in MaCoupin County Illinois on Dec 29-1849 to John and Mary Gwin......I did not mean that Alexanders Parents weren't John and Mary Gwin, John just doesn't appear to be the same John who married Mary Boswell, and I just would love to know what Alexanders Mother's maiden name was if it wasn't Boswell.....Your married name is Bowen? could your husband be kin to Alexanders Grandchild whose last name was Bowden and was with them on Census in 1920-30 and listed as one of their heirs in Probate....Thank you so much for your interest.....Sincerely Ann Givens ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 6:50 PM Subject: Re: Ann Givens post Ann, I'm confused when you say you may be chasing the wrong John and Mary Gwin. Which one of these children you mention is your ancestor? Starting with yourself and going back, do you have a clear path back to John and Mary? And how did you hone in on them? Lots of us are researching John Gwin/Guinn/Gwinn(etc). Peggy Guinn Bowen ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Ann, I'm confused when you say you may be chasing the wrong John and Mary Gwin. Which one of these children you mention is your ancestor? Starting with yourself and going back, do you have a clear path back to John and Mary? And how did you hone in on them? Lots of us are researching John Gwin/Guinn/Gwinn(etc). Peggy Guinn Bowen

So many people have tried to help me with my John Gwin...I believed he was the one who married Mary Boswell in Dec 1841 in Union Co Ill. and was in the 1850 census of Macoupin co ill with Mary and 3 children, Huldah, William and Alexander. Then a reader found them for me, spelling the last name Gwinn, in Bourbon Co Ks in 1860 with the above three and 3 more children, Arenna, Octava and Orril, all but Arenna born Ill, she was born Mo. Then they disappeared. I have looked under the differnt spellings of Gwin but to no Avail..Their Son Alexander is married and in the Missouri and sister Octava is living in the household with him and his young family....I read in Family Search that John Gwin, born Tn 1815 married Mary Boswell 1841 Union Co Ill, died there in 1845..If this is so, I am chasing the wrong John and Mary....Appreciate any advice or help Thanks Ann Givens Have a great day!

If you have time to look, I would appreciate you looking for an Abraham (Abe/Abram) Gwyn/Guin/Guinn who married Nancy before 1838. He is in the 1850 Watauga county, NC census but I can not prove anything before this time. I would like to prove he is the same Abe Gwin who is in Johnson County, Tn in the 1830's and 40's. In 1850 he is listed as 49 yrs old and Nancy is 44. Their children are William age 12 ,Lawson age 9, Mahala age 6, and David age 3. Mahala is my gggrandmother on my mother's side. My stories of them sound familiar to some I have read on your postings. Nancy was also rumored to be part or maybe full blooded Indian. Being from NC she was probably Cherokee but could have been Creek. Her last name could have been Bird/Byrd or Chandler. I have heard both. Abe supposedly "bought" her for a quarter??? There is an Abe Gwin from Tennessee who was a soldier during the removal of the Cherokee 1836-39. There was also a William Guinn from Tennessee. This info. came from the book Volunteer Soldiers of the Cherokee wars 1836-1839. All of these dates coincide with the removal. Coincidence??? Their first child(William) was born about 1838, he later fought for the Union and died in the Civil War. I have no idea what happened to Lawson, but I was recently told that David is buried in Roan Mt., Tennessee.? Mahala married Elijah Smith from Carter County, Tennessee and they lived in what is now Avery county until they died. Lige died in 1921 and Mahala died in 1923. Does any of this hook up with any info. in your book? Any help is greatly appreciated and any help I can give you is yours for the asking. I have Gwyn records for Carter and Johnson counties in Tennessee and Watauga, Mitchell, and Avery counties in NC. You may not realize but these counties in NC were divided several times and what started out as Watauga for my family was then divded to make Mitchell which was then divided again in 1911 to make it Avery, so even though they never moved they lived in 3 different counties in their lifetime. My grandfather's family which lived 2 miles away only lived in 2 different counties as his part stayed in Watauga when Mitchell was divided. It makes for a lot of confusion as census takers didn't always keep things straight and 1 year they were listed in 2 different county censuses. Also, early on the upper part of east Tennessee was part of NC before the state lines were changed and it is still hard today to know where Tenn. stops and NC begins as it is still very mountainous and the roads are sometimes hard to follow. Many areas are still very isolated from the rest of the state. Sorry this is so long. Thanks for any help. Becky [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Gwynn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 10:27 AM Subject: RE: The Book of the Gwinns/Gwynns > Audrey, > > Bit of bad luck I'm afraid. I cannot find this individual in Jesse Blaine > Gwin's book. I did find some Samuel's, variouis spellings, but they were > either too late, i.e. born after your Samuel's death, or from a different > area of the country (Virginia, Tennessee, etc.). I can find no > information > on this family. I checked all spellings (Guinn, Gwin, Gwinn, Gwyn, Gwynn, > etc.) and could not find this family. I tried using the names of his > children and could not find them either. Sure wish I could have helped > more, but there just isn't anything on this family in the book. > > I wish I could have helped more, I know how hard it is when you hit a > brick > wall, trying to get through it. If you come up with anything else, I will > look again. > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 10:37 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: The Book of the Gwinns/Gwynns > > > Hi Paul, > > BY any chance does your book have anything in it about Samuel > Guinn/Gwin(n) > who died in Surry Co, NC before 1785 (will abstract below). > I am hoping to find out who his parents were, where they came from, and > hopefully, which one of his daughters married Joseph England. I know that > his > daughter Margaret married Daniel England, but know really nothing about > any > of his > other children. > > Surry Co, NC will abstract book : > > 2:60a Will of Samuel Guinn, 7 JUL 1784. Wife Deborah. Son: John Guin, 5 > sh > sterl and no more. Sons Samuel, Nathaniel, Foster and William get land > after > their mother's death. 9 children: Samuel, Nathaniel, Andrew, William, > Rebekah, Suannah, Jean, Margaret, and Isabella--will divide the moveable > estate. > Exrs: wife and Valentine Reece who is to bind sone William to some good > trade. > Wit:Daniel Bills, Samuel Guinn, Jr , Jabez Jarvis. Prvd by Jabez Jarvis > and > rec. Feb Ct. 1785. {NOTE: Surry Count Minutes of Cour of P & Q's show the > Valentine Reese qualified 16 FEB 1785, inventory returned 14 NOV 1787. > > On the 1782 tax list, Samuel Guinn is shown with 200 A on Forbish Creek. > The > 1785 tax list of Capt. Wright shows Deborah Guinn with 200 A, no polls. > The > 1786 tax lists shows her with same listing and Samuel Gwin (sic) with 1 > wp. > The 1786 State census, Capt. Krouse's distric, show Deborah Gqin (sic) > with > 1 wm > 21-60, 1 wm-21-60+, 2 wf. > > 2:96a Inv. of Saml. Gwin decd incl 200A, Bible given to son Samuel and one > to > son Nathaniel. Wit: Valentine (X) Reese. Rec. May ct. 1787. > > Thanks so much for any help. > > Audrey > > > In a message dated 4/15/2005 5:01:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:03:30 -0500 > From: "Paul Gwynn" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: The Book of the Gwinns/Gwynns > > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta > rgetid=5429 > > > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

My William McNichols Gwin was born 1810 in Tenn. Don't know what county. I have been told his father was a brother of Rev.James Gwin. Wm.McN.Gwin married Sarah (Susan) Sutton in Lawrence Co. Mississippi but don't know exactly when he arrived there. It doesn't seem he would be part of your Gwin family but I really don't know. Lorraine > > From: "Tom Ashley" <[email protected]> > Date: 2005/04/24 Sun AM 10:52:23 EDT > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Rev. James and Sen. William McKendree Gwin > > There are many William Gwin/Gwyns in Tennessee. They are both black and > white. My Gwyns ended up in NC but I don't know where they came from before > 1850. Would yours be from east Tennessee? My Abe Gwin had a son William > born about 1838. I would need a litlle more info. to try to look in any > records. [email protected] Becky > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 12:36 PM > Subject: Re: Rev. James and Sen. William McKendree Gwin > > > > Do you know anything about the antecedents of William McNichols Gwin > > born 1810 Tenn. (where?) and died in Lawrence Co. Miss. This William > > was a delegate to the secession convention from Lawrence Co. when > > Miss. seceded from the Union. > > He is said to be a first cousin of William McKendree Gwin. I think my > > William's > > Father was also William but having a hard time tracking records on him. > > > > > > Lorraine > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> From: [email protected] > >> Date: 2005/04/18 Mon PM 11:41:10 EDT > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Rev. James and Sen. William McKendree Gwin > >> > >> > >> In a message dated 4/18/05 7:56:51 PM, [email protected] writes: > >> > >> > >> > Hi: > >> > > >> > JAMES GWIN (1765-1841) who lived in Tennessee had a son WILLIAM born I > >> > would > >> > say c. 1793. His father JAMES was a Methodist minister of sorts...so > >> > that > >> > would tie in..... > >> > > >> > Harris > >> > Austin, Tx. > >> > > >> > >> Harris, > >> > >> The William McKendree above was born 1805 and died 1885. Dr./Senator > >> William > >> Gwin was the first senator from the state of Califorinia. ( "Between Two > >> Empires; the life story of California's first senator, William McKendree > >> Gwin", by > >> Thomas, Lately,1969) > >> > >> To call Rev. James Gwin a "Methodist minister of sorts" is certainly an > >> understatement! Rev. Gwin was a friend of Andrew Jackson and a host of > >> the founding > >> fathers of Methodism in America including Bishop William McKendree for > >> whom > >> James' son was named. I saw one note that said it was Rev. James Gwin who > >> gave > >> General Andrew Jackson the land on which the Hermitage would be built. > >> > >> > >> > >> Terry L. Coats > >> 226 Swift Drive > >> Goodlettsville, TN. > >> 615-859-3830 > >> [email protected] > >> > >> > >> ============================== > >> View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > >> marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >> > >> > > > > > > ============================== > > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

There are many William Gwin/Gwyns in Tennessee. They are both black and white. My Gwyns ended up in NC but I don't know where they came from before 1850. Would yours be from east Tennessee? My Abe Gwin had a son William born about 1838. I would need a litlle more info. to try to look in any records. [email protected] Becky ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 12:36 PM Subject: Re: Rev. James and Sen. William McKendree Gwin > Do you know anything about the antecedents of William McNichols Gwin > born 1810 Tenn. (where?) and died in Lawrence Co. Miss. This William > was a delegate to the secession convention from Lawrence Co. when > Miss. seceded from the Union. > He is said to be a first cousin of William McKendree Gwin. I think my > William's > Father was also William but having a hard time tracking records on him. > > > Lorraine > > > > > > >> >> From: [email protected] >> Date: 2005/04/18 Mon PM 11:41:10 EDT >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Rev. James and Sen. William McKendree Gwin >> >> >> In a message dated 4/18/05 7:56:51 PM, [email protected] writes: >> >> >> > Hi: >> > >> > JAMES GWIN (1765-1841) who lived in Tennessee had a son WILLIAM born I >> > would >> > say c. 1793. His father JAMES was a Methodist minister of sorts...so >> > that >> > would tie in..... >> > >> > Harris >> > Austin, Tx. >> > >> >> Harris, >> >> The William McKendree above was born 1805 and died 1885. Dr./Senator >> William >> Gwin was the first senator from the state of Califorinia. ( "Between Two >> Empires; the life story of California's first senator, William McKendree >> Gwin", by >> Thomas, Lately,1969) >> >> To call Rev. James Gwin a "Methodist minister of sorts" is certainly an >> understatement! Rev. Gwin was a friend of Andrew Jackson and a host of >> the founding >> fathers of Methodism in America including Bishop William McKendree for >> whom >> James' son was named. I saw one note that said it was Rev. James Gwin who >> gave >> General Andrew Jackson the land on which the Hermitage would be built. >> >> >> >> Terry L. Coats >> 226 Swift Drive >> Goodlettsville, TN. >> 615-859-3830 >> [email protected] >> >> >> ============================== >> View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >> marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >> >> > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

There is an Andrew Gwin in the Johnson county, Tennessee 1840 census and I have deed records(these are in the Cater county Tn. courthouse.) where he bought land from Abe Gwin in the 1840's. I know little else about him but I would like to link him with the Abe Gwin who I am trying to find info. on to see if he is the same Abe Gwyn who is in Watauga county, NC in 1850. Does any of this sound familiar? Any help appreciated. Becky [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 8:05 PM Subject: Re: The Book of the Gwinns/Gwynns > Hello! > > My third-great-grandfather was Andrew Gwinn,Sr. who was born July 15, 1794 > in > Shenandoah Valley in VA and died May 31, 1879 in Cabell Co., WV. He > married > Rachael Harshbarger on February 19, 1827 in Cabell Co., (W)VA by David > Harbour, Minister. Rachael was the daughter of David Harshbarger and > Elizabeth > Beaheer. She was born in 1806 in Botetourt Co., VA and died February 16, > 1870 in > Cabell Co., WV. > > I have tried to trace this family back but all I have is that: (1) The > father of Andrew Gwinn, Sr. came to Cabell County in 1810, where he > followed the > occupation of farming, dying in 1830. After the War of 1812, Andrew > Gwinn, Sr. > remained with his father until he married Rachel Harshbarger. (Source: > "History of The Great Kanawha Valley", page 56) and (2) There is some > information > in Cabell County, VA (now WV) records that show a John Guin listed in > "Cabell > County Tax List 1810" compiled by Sigus Olafson. The tax list was in > "Cabell > County (W) Virginia Abstracts of Deed Book II, 1814-1819" by Carrie > Eldridge--John Guin 1 free white male 21 and over; 0 slaves; 0 horses. > Also, in > "Cabell County (W) Virginia Abstracts of Deed Book II, 1814-1819" by > Carrie > Eldridge, page 238, 26 Nov 1816 indenture John Martin and wife Elizabeth > to Andrew > Quinn, 25 a. on Mud River, HEIR to John Quinn, dec'd. Clk. Js. > > What I'm wondering is if this John Guin is the father of my Andrew Gwinn, > Sr. > Does anyone have any information about a John Guin/Gwinn/Gwynn going to VA > with a 16 year old son named Andrew about 1810? I have a lot of genealogy > data > about the descendants of this family but would like to be able to trace > back > and find the right line they descend from. Thanks for any help!!!! > > Gloria > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hello! My third-great-grandfather was Andrew Gwinn,Sr. who was born July 15, 1794 in Shenandoah Valley in VA and died May 31, 1879 in Cabell Co., WV. He married Rachael Harshbarger on February 19, 1827 in Cabell Co., (W)VA by David Harbour, Minister. Rachael was the daughter of David Harshbarger and Elizabeth Beaheer. She was born in 1806 in Botetourt Co., VA and died February 16, 1870 in Cabell Co., WV. I have tried to trace this family back but all I have is that: (1) The father of Andrew Gwinn, Sr. came to Cabell County in 1810, where he followed the occupation of farming, dying in 1830. After the War of 1812, Andrew Gwinn, Sr. remained with his father until he married Rachel Harshbarger. (Source: "History of The Great Kanawha Valley", page 56) and (2) There is some information in Cabell County, VA (now WV) records that show a John Guin listed in "Cabell County Tax List 1810" compiled by Sigus Olafson. The tax list was in "Cabell County (W) Virginia Abstracts of Deed Book II, 1814-1819" by Carrie Eldridge--John Guin 1 free white male 21 and over; 0 slaves; 0 horses. Also, in "Cabell County (W) Virginia Abstracts of Deed Book II, 1814-1819" by Carrie Eldridge, page 238, 26 Nov 1816 indenture John Martin and wife Elizabeth to Andrew Quinn, 25 a. on Mud River, HEIR to John Quinn, dec'd. Clk. Js. What I'm wondering is if this John Guin is the father of my Andrew Gwinn, Sr. Does anyone have any information about a John Guin/Gwinn/Gwynn going to VA with a 16 year old son named Andrew about 1810? I have a lot of genealogy data about the descendants of this family but would like to be able to trace back and find the right line they descend from. Thanks for any help!!!! Gloria

You asked about pictures of unsmiling faces. I don't think the idea of "smile for the camera" was in, then. Remember, when picture taking first started, the cameraman held a stick up with the flash at the top, above his head. When the flash went off it was really startling. I think people had to brace themselves psychologically for the flash and weren't thinking about smiling. And the whole process of picture taking may have been an ordeal. Peggy Guinn Bowen

Do you know anything about the antecedents of William McNichols Gwin born 1810 Tenn. (where?) and died in Lawrence Co. Miss. This William was a delegate to the secession convention from Lawrence Co. when Miss. seceded from the Union. He is said to be a first cousin of William McKendree Gwin. I think my William's Father was also William but having a hard time tracking records on him. Lorraine > > From: [email protected] > Date: 2005/04/18 Mon PM 11:41:10 EDT > To: [email protected] > Subject: Rev. James and Sen. William McKendree Gwin > > > In a message dated 4/18/05 7:56:51 PM, [email protected] writes: > > > > Hi: > > > > JAMES GWIN (1765-1841) who lived in Tennessee had a son WILLIAM born I would > > say c. 1793. His father JAMES was a Methodist minister of sorts...so that > > would tie in..... > > > > Harris > > Austin, Tx. > > > > Harris, > > The William McKendree above was born 1805 and died 1885. Dr./Senator William > Gwin was the first senator from the state of Califorinia. ( "Between Two > Empires; the life story of California's first senator, William McKendree Gwin", by > Thomas, Lately,1969) > > To call Rev. James Gwin a "Methodist minister of sorts" is certainly an > understatement! Rev. Gwin was a friend of Andrew Jackson and a host of the founding > fathers of Methodism in America including Bishop William McKendree for whom > James' son was named. I saw one note that said it was Rev. James Gwin who gave > General Andrew Jackson the land on which the Hermitage would be built. > > > > Terry L. Coats > 226 Swift Drive > Goodlettsville, TN. > 615-859-3830 > [email protected] > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

Paul, Thank you for the extra mile in that look up. I appreciate it. Maybe one day................... Audrey In a message dated 4/19/2005 4:34:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: X-Message: #1 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:27:23 -0500 From: "Paul Gwynn" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: RE: The Book of the Gwinns/Gwynns Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Audrey, Bit of bad luck I'm afraid. I cannot find this individual in Jesse Blaine Gwin's book. I did find some Samuel's, variouis spellings, but they were either too late, i.e. born after your Samuel's death, or from a different area of the country (Virginia, Tennessee, etc.). I can find no information on this family. I checked all spellings (Guinn, Gwin, Gwinn, Gwyn, Gwynn, etc.) and could not find this family. I tried using the names of his children and could not find them either. Sure wish I could have helped more, but there just isn't anything on this family in the book. I wish I could have helped more, I know how hard it is when you hit a brick wall, trying to get through it. If you come up with anything else, I will look again. Paul -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 10:37 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: The Book of the Gwinns/Gwynns Hi Paul, BY any chance does your book have anything in it about Samuel Guinn/Gwin(n) who died in Surry Co, NC before 1785 (will abstract below). I am hoping to find out who his parents were, where they came from, and hopefully, which one of his daughters married Joseph England. I know that his daughter Margaret married Daniel England, but know really nothing about any of his other children. Surry Co, NC will abstract book : 2:60a Will of Samuel Guinn, 7 JUL 1784. Wife Deborah. Son: John Guin, 5 sh sterl and no more. Sons Samuel, Nathaniel, Foster and William get land after their mother's death. 9 children: Samuel, Nathaniel, Andrew, William, Rebekah, Suannah, Jean, Margaret, and Isabella--will divide the moveable estate. Exrs: wife and Valentine Reece who is to bind sone William to some good trade. Wit:Daniel Bills, Samuel Guinn, Jr , Jabez Jarvis. Prvd by Jabez Jarvis and rec. Feb Ct. 1785. {NOTE: Surry Count Minutes of Cour of P & Q's show the Valentine Reese qualified 16 FEB 1785, inventory returned 14 NOV 1787. On the 1782 tax list, Samuel Guinn is shown with 200 A on Forbish Creek. The 1785 tax list of Capt. Wright shows Deborah Guinn with 200 A, no polls. The 1786 tax lists shows her with same listing and Samuel Gwin (sic) with 1 wp. The 1786 State census, Capt. Krouse's distric, show Deborah Gqin (sic) with 1 wm 21-60, 1 wm-21-60+, 2 wf. 2:96a Inv. of Saml. Gwin decd incl 200A, Bible given to son Samuel and one to son Nathaniel. Wit: Valentine (X) Reese. Rec. May ct. 1787. Thanks so much for any help. Audrey In a message dated 4/15/2005 5:01:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 09:03:30 -0500 From: "Paul Gwynn" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: RE: The Book of the Gwinns/Gwynns

In a message dated 4/19/2005 3:53:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I hope you all don't mind me asking this question, it is a little off the subject. I have been looking at some old photos of my ancestors, and it seems that back in the day no one smiled in pictures. Does anyone know, or have an opinion as to why now one smiled back then. It seems like these pictures were taken before WWII. Has anyone else noticed this? Thanks, April Bethel Because you had to maintain a pose for so long. Any movement would ruin the picture.

That makes sense, I didn't give that a thought. Thanks for the info. April -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 4:34 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Old Photos In a message dated 4/19/2005 3:53:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I hope you all don't mind me asking this question, it is a little off the subject. I have been looking at some old photos of my ancestors, and it seems that back in the day no one smiled in pictures. Does anyone know, or have an opinion as to why now one smiled back then. It seems like these pictures were taken before WWII. Has anyone else noticed this? Thanks, April Bethel Because you had to maintain a pose for so long. Any movement would ruin the picture. ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=1459 9&targetid=5429

Hello everyone, I hope you all don't mind me asking this question, it is a little off the subject. I have been looking at some old photos of my ancestors, and it seems that back in the day no one smiled in pictures. Does anyone know, or have an opinion as to why now one smiled back then. It seems like these pictures were taken before WWII. Has anyone else noticed this? Thanks, April Bethel

The Rev. Wm. Guinn of Grundy Co, TN was either the son of or nephew of this Rev. James Gwin. William's father or grandfather was Mordecai. I have some documentation of that from years back when I thought the Rev. William was my ggg grandfather. But still, NO link to Champ Gwin. I can't even link the 'older' Champ Gwin to the younger Champ Gwin in Franklin Co, TN circa 1825-1830! The man DID NOT want to leave a trail!! :-) Thanks for trying to help. All help is appreciated with this guy! Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harris Husted" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 8:47 PM Subject: Re: Gwins of NC and Tenn > Hi: > > JAMES GWIN (1765-1841) who lived in Tennessee had a son WILLIAM born I would > say c. 1793. His father JAMES was a Methodist minister of sorts...so that > would tie in..... > > Harris > Austin, Tx. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sharon Wiley" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 6:37 PM > Subject: Re: Gwins of NC and Tenn > > > >I am not sure where he fits into the family. I can't place him with even > > one other Gwin, Gwinn, Guin, or Guinn family. He seemed to follow the > > same > > geographic pattern as the Reverend William Guinn of Grundy County, TN. > > His > > marriage license was in Washington Co, TN in 1786/1787, then he was in > > Carter County, then Warren County, then Franklin County and died in > > Jackson > > County, AL circa 1830. He seems to have always had young children in his > > household. The only known child was a "three year old son, Charles, "a > > mulatto child", who was indentured in 1791. His wife's name was > > Dorcas/Darkus Williams. She may have been Indian. That is about all the > > information ANYONE can find on him. Very elusive. > > Thanks for looking. Maybe someone will run across him. > > Sharon > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 8:56 PM > > Subject: Re: Gwins of NC and Tenn > > > > > >> > >> In a message dated 4/16/05 6:35:30 PM, [email protected] writes: > >> > >> > >> > Can someone look in the book and tell me if there is a Champ Gwin > >> > mentioned? > >> > He was born circa 1765, either VA or NC and died circa 1830 in Jackson > >> > County, AL. > >> > Thanks. > >> > Sharon Guynn Wiley > >> > > >> > >> Sharon where do you think he fits into the family. He is not in the index > > of > >> Cathy's book and the Hornback book is not indexed. > >> > >> > >> > >> Terry L. Coats > >> 226 Swift Drive > >> Goodlettsville, TN. > >> 615-859-3830 > >> [email protected] > >> > >> > >> ============================== > >> Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > >> ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/2005 > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/2005 > > > > > > ============================== > > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/2005 > > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/2005