the earliest Gwin I have is Mordecai, who died in 1785 in Hillsboro, NC. His brother, name unk, is my ancestor ----- Original Message ---- From: Jeanette Whytrock <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:49:47 PM Subject: Re: [GWIN] My Suprising Y-Chromosome DNA Results - Descendent of Robert Gwinn... I haven't gone back that far yet. I have John Gwin Born about 1755 no place or other information. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 12:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GWIN] My Suprising Y-Chromosome DNA Results - Descendent of Robert Gwinn... Actually, it has been so long since I heard anything from anybody on this  group that I had forgotten I was a member.  I am glad to see the references to DNA. I have a Morris/Maurice Gwin in the Old District 96 area in SC, for whom I  have found no parents.  I believe he was born about 1740, because he was a  messenger in 1757 in this area and has several references written about him in  the Indian Affairs books of SC.  He lived along the Saluda River area next to Halfway Swamp.  Several years ago his estate records surfaced  when Edgefield Co., SC, found some very old records in a forgotten  closet.  Morris married Ruth about 1763, and died bef Mar 1794,  according to his estate records. It is believed that he had a  number sons and John, Morris, and David were named in his  estate settlement and it is stated that these are some of his children who were previously given personal property.  Also, it is believed  that the following could be either children or brothers to Morris:  Bryant,  William, Leonard, George and Charles. Is there anyone else out there research this line or has  information or leads to parents of this Morris Gwin line? Thanks, Davine Roberts Jacksonville, FL In a message dated 4/24/2008 1:47:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  [email protected] writes: This  list has not been active in a long time.? I hope that there are still a few  Gwinns (of whatever spelling) that are still on the list.? Are there  any Gwinns out there who have taken a Y-DNA test?? I am particulary interested  in the documented descendents of Robert Gwin of the Calfpasture (1715c-1780c)  through his sons, David, Joseph, and Robert Jr.? I am also interested in any  Gwinn descendents of Patrick Gwin and Jeannette McDonald--Patrick was  supposedly the brother of Robert Gwin. I am a descendent of Samuel  Gwinn, b.c 1751 in Augusta County, Virginia.? His father is believed to be the  Robert Gwin who purchased 544 acres on the Calfpasture from Patton, Lewis and  Beverly in 1745.? Robert may have come over from Ireland on the ship Walpole,  James Patton, commanding, in 1738.? Many of the Calfpasture families were on  that ship as Patton specifically brought them over for the purpose of settling  the area and gaining title to the land. Because the surname Gwinn  generally comes from the Welsh, gwyn, meaning fair or white, most of us  properly assumed that our family could ultimately be traced back to Wales.?  However, I recently took a 67-marker Y-DNA test from Family Tree DNA and  obtained a suprising result.? My Y-DNA markers appear to match the haplogroup,  R1b1c7---this group has recently been associated by Trinity College in Dublin  with the Ui Niells--the descendents and/or kin of the Irish warlord, Niall of  the Nine Hostages.? This group is distinctively Irish--it appears also in  lowland?Scotland, but?rarely in Wales. I knew of another distant Gwinn  relative, descended from a different son of Samuel Gwinn, b.c 1751, that had  taken the Y-DNA test.? I checked with his niece and our markers matched with a  difference of only 1 mutation.? This confirmed to me that there is probably  not a non-paternal event (adoption, infidelity, illegitimacy, etc.) for our  lines up to Samuel Gwinn.? Approximately 1 out of 12 Irishmen  belong to the subclade R1b1c7; it reaches 20 percent or more in County  Donegal; 3 million men worldwide; 1 out of 50 New Yorkers.? You can google  Niall and find all sorts of references, but here is the Family Tree? DNA page  on the topic:  http://www.familytreedna.com/matchnialltest.html **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos.      (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am descended from Baysden Gwin, of SC. I would be interested in having one of us tested. Louise (Lou) Roebuck Cook ----- Original Message ---- From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 10:06:54 AM Subject: Re: [GWIN] My Suprising Y-Chromosome DNA Results - Descendent of Robert Gwinn of the Calfpasture Most people with the Gwin, Gwinn, Gwyn, etc.?name?are of Welsh descent.? However, not all Gwins are related. My particular Gwinn line appears to be of Irish origin. This means that my line either has no Welsh connection (due to a surname mutation--for example a mutation from Quinn to Gwinn)?or it was a Welsh family that acquired an Irish paternal bloodline. There are several ways this could happen--including a non-paternal event.?Some Gwyns in Wales claimed descent from an Irish prince Brychan (founder of the Kingdom of Brychieniog) and there were Irish incursions into Wales during the Dark Ages. At this point, all I can say with confidence is that Samuel Gwinn, b.c. 1751 in Augusta, had a haplotype R1b1c7 which?indicates an origin in Northwest?Ireland.?I know this because?my haplotype (through Samuel's son John) matches another?male?Gwinn?who is?descended from Samuel's son, Samuel Jr.?? Y-DNA tests of male descendants of Robert Gwin's other sons (Captain David, Robert Jr., Joseph and James) could confirm?that Robert Gwin was R1b1c7.?It should turn out that way if?the various genealogical records and?recollections are correct.?But?we will never know unless it is tested. ? -----Original Message----- From: Jeanette Whytrock <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:36 pm Subject: Re: [GWIN] My Suprising Y-Chromosome DNA Results - Descendent of Robert Gwinn of the Calfpasture So what you are saying is that our Gwin roots are Irish? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 10:46 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [GWIN] My Suprising Y-Chromosome DNA Results - Descendent of Robert Gwinn of the Calfpasture This list has not been active in a long time.? I hope that there are still a few Gwinns (of whatever spelling) that are still on the list.? Are there any Gwinns out there who have taken a Y-DNA test?? I am particulary interested in the documented descendents of Robert Gwin of the Calfpasture (1715c-1780c) through his sons, David, Joseph, and Robert Jr.? I am also interested in any Gwinn descendents of Patrick Gwin and Jeannette McDonald--Patrick was supposedly the brother of Robert Gwin. I am a descendent of Samuel Gwinn, b.c 1751 in Augusta County, Virginia.? His father is believed to be the Robert Gwin who purchased 544 acres on the Calfpasture from Patton, Lewis and Beverly in 1745.? Robert may have come over from Ireland on the ship Walpole, James Patton, commanding, in 1738.? Many of the Calfpasture families were on that ship as Patton specifically brought them over for the purpose of settling the area and gaining title to the land. Because the surname Gwinn generally comes from the Welsh, gwyn, meaning fair or white, most of us properly assumed that our family could ultimately be traced back to Wales.? However, I recently took a 67-marker Y-DNA test from Family Tree DNA and obtained a suprising result.? My Y-DNA markers appear to match the haplogroup, R1b1c7---this group has recently been associated by Trinity College in Dublin with the Ui Niells--the descendents and/or kin of the Irish warlord, Niall of the Nine Hostages.? This group is distinctively Irish--it appears also in lowland?Scotland, but?rarely in Wales. I knew of another distant Gwinn relative, descended from a different son of Samuel Gwinn, b.c 1751, that had taken the Y-DNA test.? I checked with his niece and our markers matched with a difference of only 1 mutation.? This confirmed to me that there is probably not a non-paternal event (adoption, infidelity, illegitimacy, etc.) for our lines up to Samuel Gwinn.? Approximately 1 out of 12 Irishmen belong to the subclade R1b1c7; it reaches 20 percent or more in County Donegal; 3 million men worldwide; 1 out of 50 New Yorkers.? You can google Niall and find all sorts of references, but here is the Family Tree? DNA page on the topic: http://www.familytreedna.com/matchnialltest.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The most likely derivation for anyone named Gwinn,is the Welsh word gwyn meaning white or fair. The Gaelic equivalent is fionn. Both gwyn and fionn have their roots in the proto-Celtic word?vindos. Gunn comes from a completely different word. However,this does not exclude mutations from other words. Such as a Quin becoming?a Gwinn. Or a Gunn becoming a Gwinn. The latter is not very likely, but it is possible. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:54 am Subject: [GWIN] DNA - names Guinn is a root name among all the Celtic people. Ex. root name for clan Gunn Louise Guinn ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Guinn is a root name among all the Celtic people. Ex. root name for clan Gunn Louise Guinn

Most people with the Gwin, Gwinn, Gwyn, etc.?name?are of Welsh descent.? However, not all Gwins are related. My particular Gwinn line appears to be of Irish origin. This means that my line either has no Welsh connection (due to a surname mutation--for example a mutation from Quinn to Gwinn)?or it was a Welsh family that acquired an Irish paternal bloodline. There are several ways this could happen--including a non-paternal event.?Some Gwyns in Wales claimed descent from an Irish prince Brychan (founder of the Kingdom of Brychieniog) and there were Irish incursions into Wales during the Dark Ages. At this point, all I can say with confidence is that Samuel Gwinn, b.c. 1751 in Augusta, had a haplotype R1b1c7 which?indicates an origin in Northwest?Ireland.?I know this because?my haplotype (through Samuel's son John) matches another?male?Gwinn?who is?descended from Samuel's son, Samuel Jr.?? Y-DNA tests of male descendants of Robert Gwin's other sons (Captain David, Robert Jr., Joseph and James) could confirm?that Robert Gwin was R1b1c7.?It should turn out that way if?the various genealogical records and?recollections are correct.?But?we will never know unless it is tested. ? -----Original Message----- From: Jeanette Whytrock <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:36 pm Subject: Re: [GWIN] My Suprising Y-Chromosome DNA Results - Descendent of Robert Gwinn of the Calfpasture So what you are saying is that our Gwin roots are Irish? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 10:46 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [GWIN] My Suprising Y-Chromosome DNA Results - Descendent of Robert Gwinn of the Calfpasture This list has not been active in a long time.? I hope that there are still a few Gwinns (of whatever spelling) that are still on the list.? Are there any Gwinns out there who have taken a Y-DNA test?? I am particulary interested in the documented descendents of Robert Gwin of the Calfpasture (1715c-1780c) through his sons, David, Joseph, and Robert Jr.? I am also interested in any Gwinn descendents of Patrick Gwin and Jeannette McDonald--Patrick was supposedly the brother of Robert Gwin. I am a descendent of Samuel Gwinn, b.c 1751 in Augusta County, Virginia.? His father is believed to be the Robert Gwin who purchased 544 acres on the Calfpasture from Patton, Lewis and Beverly in 1745.? Robert may have come over from Ireland on the ship Walpole, James Patton, commanding, in 1738.? Many of the Calfpasture families were on that ship as Patton specifically brought them over for the purpose of settling the area and gaining title to the land. Because the surname Gwinn generally comes from the Welsh, gwyn, meaning fair or white, most of us properly assumed that our family could ultimately be traced back to Wales.? However, I recently took a 67-marker Y-DNA test from Family Tree DNA and obtained a suprising result.? My Y-DNA markers appear to match the haplogroup, R1b1c7---this group has recently been associated by Trinity College in Dublin with the Ui Niells--the descendents and/or kin of the Irish warlord, Niall of the Nine Hostages.? This group is distinctively Irish--it appears also in lowland?Scotland, but?rarely in Wales. I knew of another distant Gwinn relative, descended from a different son of Samuel Gwinn, b.c 1751, that had taken the Y-DNA test.? I checked with his niece and our markers matched with a difference of only 1 mutation.? This confirmed to me that there is probably not a non-paternal event (adoption, infidelity, illegitimacy, etc.) for our lines up to Samuel Gwinn.? Approximately 1 out of 12 Irishmen belong to the subclade R1b1c7; it reaches 20 percent or more in County Donegal; 3 million men worldwide; 1 out of 50 New Yorkers.? You can google Niall and find all sorts of references, but here is the Family Tree? DNA page on the topic: http://www.familytreedna.com/matchnialltest.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I haven't gone back that far yet. I have John Gwin Born about 1755 no place or other information. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 12:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GWIN] My Suprising Y-Chromosome DNA Results - Descendent of Robert Gwinn... Actually, it has been so long since I heard anything from anybody on this group that I had forgotten I was a member. I am glad to see the references to DNA. I have a Morris/Maurice Gwin in the Old District 96 area in SC, for whom I have found no parents. I believe he was born about 1740, because he was a messenger in 1757 in this area and has several references written about him in the Indian Affairs books of SC. He lived along the Saluda River area next to Halfway Swamp. Several years ago his estate records surfaced when Edgefield Co., SC, found some very old records in a forgotten closet. Morris married Ruth about 1763, and died bef Mar 1794, according to his estate records. It is believed that he had a number sons and John, Morris, and David were named in his estate settlement and it is stated that these are some of his children who were previously given personal property. Also, it is believed that the following could be either children or brothers to Morris: Bryant, William, Leonard, George and Charles. Is there anyone else out there research this line or has information or leads to parents of this Morris Gwin line? Thanks, Davine Roberts Jacksonville, FL In a message dated 4/24/2008 1:47:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: This list has not been active in a long time.? I hope that there are still a few Gwinns (of whatever spelling) that are still on the list.? Are there any Gwinns out there who have taken a Y-DNA test?? I am particulary interested in the documented descendents of Robert Gwin of the Calfpasture (1715c-1780c) through his sons, David, Joseph, and Robert Jr.? I am also interested in any Gwinn descendents of Patrick Gwin and Jeannette McDonald--Patrick was supposedly the brother of Robert Gwin. I am a descendent of Samuel Gwinn, b.c 1751 in Augusta County, Virginia.? His father is believed to be the Robert Gwin who purchased 544 acres on the Calfpasture from Patton, Lewis and Beverly in 1745.? Robert may have come over from Ireland on the ship Walpole, James Patton, commanding, in 1738.? Many of the Calfpasture families were on that ship as Patton specifically brought them over for the purpose of settling the area and gaining title to the land. Because the surname Gwinn generally comes from the Welsh, gwyn, meaning fair or white, most of us properly assumed that our family could ultimately be traced back to Wales.? However, I recently took a 67-marker Y-DNA test from Family Tree DNA and obtained a suprising result.? My Y-DNA markers appear to match the haplogroup, R1b1c7---this group has recently been associated by Trinity College in Dublin with the Ui Niells--the descendents and/or kin of the Irish warlord, Niall of the Nine Hostages.? This group is distinctively Irish--it appears also in lowland?Scotland, but?rarely in Wales. I knew of another distant Gwinn relative, descended from a different son of Samuel Gwinn, b.c 1751, that had taken the Y-DNA test.? I checked with his niece and our markers matched with a difference of only 1 mutation.? This confirmed to me that there is probably not a non-paternal event (adoption, infidelity, illegitimacy, etc.) for our lines up to Samuel Gwinn.? Approximately 1 out of 12 Irishmen belong to the subclade R1b1c7; it reaches 20 percent or more in County Donegal; 3 million men worldwide; 1 out of 50 New Yorkers.? You can google Niall and find all sorts of references, but here is the Family Tree? DNA page on the topic: http://www.familytreedna.com/matchnialltest.html **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

So what you are saying is that our Gwin roots are Irish? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 10:46 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [GWIN] My Suprising Y-Chromosome DNA Results - Descendent of Robert Gwinn of the Calfpasture This list has not been active in a long time.? I hope that there are still a few Gwinns (of whatever spelling) that are still on the list.? Are there any Gwinns out there who have taken a Y-DNA test?? I am particulary interested in the documented descendents of Robert Gwin of the Calfpasture (1715c-1780c) through his sons, David, Joseph, and Robert Jr.? I am also interested in any Gwinn descendents of Patrick Gwin and Jeannette McDonald--Patrick was supposedly the brother of Robert Gwin. I am a descendent of Samuel Gwinn, b.c 1751 in Augusta County, Virginia.? His father is believed to be the Robert Gwin who purchased 544 acres on the Calfpasture from Patton, Lewis and Beverly in 1745.? Robert may have come over from Ireland on the ship Walpole, James Patton, commanding, in 1738.? Many of the Calfpasture families were on that ship as Patton specifically brought them over for the purpose of settling the area and gaining title to the land. Because the surname Gwinn generally comes from the Welsh, gwyn, meaning fair or white, most of us properly assumed that our family could ultimately be traced back to Wales.? However, I recently took a 67-marker Y-DNA test from Family Tree DNA and obtained a suprising result.? My Y-DNA markers appear to match the haplogroup, R1b1c7---this group has recently been associated by Trinity College in Dublin with the Ui Niells--the descendents and/or kin of the Irish warlord, Niall of the Nine Hostages.? This group is distinctively Irish--it appears also in lowland?Scotland, but?rarely in Wales. I knew of another distant Gwinn relative, descended from a different son of Samuel Gwinn, b.c 1751, that had taken the Y-DNA test.? I checked with his niece and our markers matched with a difference of only 1 mutation.? This confirmed to me that there is probably not a non-paternal event (adoption, infidelity, illegitimacy, etc.) for our lines up to Samuel Gwinn.? Approximately 1 out of 12 Irishmen belong to the subclade R1b1c7; it reaches 20 percent or more in County Donegal; 3 million men worldwide; 1 out of 50 New Yorkers.? You can google Niall and find all sorts of references, but here is the Family Tree? DNA page on the topic: http://www.familytreedna.com/matchnialltest.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I do not have any information on the South Carolina Gwins. If there are any living male descendents of this line, a DNA test would confirm whether this is a related or unrelated family to the Gwins of Augusta County, Virginia. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 2:46 pm Subject: Re: [GWIN] My Suprising Y-Chromosome DNA Results - Descendent of Robert Gwinn... Actually, it has been so long since I heard anything from anybody on this group that I had forgotten I was a member. I am glad to see the references to DNA. I have a Morris/Maurice Gwin in the Old District 96 area in SC, for whom I have found no parents. I believe he was born about 1740, because he was a messenger in 1757 in this area and has several references written about him in the Indian Affairs books of SC. He lived along the Saluda River area next to Halfway Swamp. Several years ago his estate records surfaced when Edgefield Co., SC, found some very old records in a forgotten closet. Morris married Ruth about 1763, and died bef Mar 1794, according to his estate records. It is believed that he had a number sons and John, Morris, and David were named in his estate settlement and it is stated that these are some of his children who were previously given personal property. Also, it is believed that the following could be either children or brothers to Morris: Bryant, William, Leonard, George and Charles. Is there anyone else out there research this line or has information or leads to parents of this Morris Gwin line? Thanks, Davine Roberts Jacksonville, FL In a message dated 4/24/2008 1:47:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: This list has not been active in a long time.? I hope that there are still a few Gwinns (of whatever spelling) that are still on the list.? Are there any Gwinns out there who have taken a Y-DNA test?? I am particulary interested in the documented descendents of Robert Gwin of the Calfpasture (1715c-1780c) through his sons, David, Joseph, and Robert Jr.? I am also interested in any Gwinn descendents of Patrick Gwin and Jeannette McDonald--Patrick was supposedly the brother of Robert Gwin. I am a descendent of Samuel Gwinn, b.c 1751 in Augusta County, Virginia.? His father is believed to be the Robert Gwin who purchased 544 acres on the Calfpasture from Patton, Lewis and Beverly in 1745.? Robert may have come over from Ireland on the ship Walpole, James Patton, commanding, in 1738.? Many of the Calfpasture families were on that ship as Patton specifically brought them over for the purpose of settling the area and gaining title to the land. Because the surname Gwinn generally comes from the Welsh, gwyn, meaning fair or white, most of us properly assumed that our family could ultimately be traced back to Wales.? However, I recently took a 67-marker Y-DNA test from Family Tree DNA and obtained a suprising result.? My Y-DNA markers appear to match the haplogroup, R1b1c7---this group has recently been associated by Trinity College in Dublin with the Ui Niells--the descendents and/or kin of the Irish warlord, Niall of the Nine Hostages.? This group is distinctively Irish--it appears also in lowland?Scotland, but?rarely in Wales. I knew of another distant Gwinn relative, descended from a different son of Samuel Gwinn, b.c 1751, that had taken the Y-DNA test.? I checked with his niece and our markers matched with a difference of only 1 mutation.? This confirmed to me that there is probably not a non-paternal event (adoption, infidelity, illegitimacy, etc.) for our lines up to Samuel Gwinn.? Approximately 1 out of 12 Irishmen belong to the subclade R1b1c7; it reaches 20 percent or more in County Donegal; 3 million men worldwide; 1 out of 50 New Yorkers.? You can google Niall and find all sorts of references, but here is the Family Tree? DNA page on the topic: http://www.familytreedna.com/matchnialltest.html **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Actually, it has been so long since I heard anything from anybody on this group that I had forgotten I was a member. I am glad to see the references to DNA. I have a Morris/Maurice Gwin in the Old District 96 area in SC, for whom I have found no parents. I believe he was born about 1740, because he was a messenger in 1757 in this area and has several references written about him in the Indian Affairs books of SC. He lived along the Saluda River area next to Halfway Swamp. Several years ago his estate records surfaced when Edgefield Co., SC, found some very old records in a forgotten closet. Morris married Ruth about 1763, and died bef Mar 1794, according to his estate records. It is believed that he had a number sons and John, Morris, and David were named in his estate settlement and it is stated that these are some of his children who were previously given personal property. Also, it is believed that the following could be either children or brothers to Morris: Bryant, William, Leonard, George and Charles. Is there anyone else out there research this line or has information or leads to parents of this Morris Gwin line? Thanks, Davine Roberts Jacksonville, FL In a message dated 4/24/2008 1:47:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: This list has not been active in a long time.? I hope that there are still a few Gwinns (of whatever spelling) that are still on the list.? Are there any Gwinns out there who have taken a Y-DNA test?? I am particulary interested in the documented descendents of Robert Gwin of the Calfpasture (1715c-1780c) through his sons, David, Joseph, and Robert Jr.? I am also interested in any Gwinn descendents of Patrick Gwin and Jeannette McDonald--Patrick was supposedly the brother of Robert Gwin. I am a descendent of Samuel Gwinn, b.c 1751 in Augusta County, Virginia.? His father is believed to be the Robert Gwin who purchased 544 acres on the Calfpasture from Patton, Lewis and Beverly in 1745.? Robert may have come over from Ireland on the ship Walpole, James Patton, commanding, in 1738.? Many of the Calfpasture families were on that ship as Patton specifically brought them over for the purpose of settling the area and gaining title to the land. Because the surname Gwinn generally comes from the Welsh, gwyn, meaning fair or white, most of us properly assumed that our family could ultimately be traced back to Wales.? However, I recently took a 67-marker Y-DNA test from Family Tree DNA and obtained a suprising result.? My Y-DNA markers appear to match the haplogroup, R1b1c7---this group has recently been associated by Trinity College in Dublin with the Ui Niells--the descendents and/or kin of the Irish warlord, Niall of the Nine Hostages.? This group is distinctively Irish--it appears also in lowland?Scotland, but?rarely in Wales. I knew of another distant Gwinn relative, descended from a different son of Samuel Gwinn, b.c 1751, that had taken the Y-DNA test.? I checked with his niece and our markers matched with a difference of only 1 mutation.? This confirmed to me that there is probably not a non-paternal event (adoption, infidelity, illegitimacy, etc.) for our lines up to Samuel Gwinn.? Approximately 1 out of 12 Irishmen belong to the subclade R1b1c7; it reaches 20 percent or more in County Donegal; 3 million men worldwide; 1 out of 50 New Yorkers.? You can google Niall and find all sorts of references, but here is the Family Tree? DNA page on the topic: http://www.familytreedna.com/matchnialltest.html **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851)

Hi Mike---I will respond to your private e-mail.? If others are interested let me know.? I just don't want it to look like I am shilling for a particular company on this list. Thanks! Ron -----Original Message----- From: Michael Gwinn <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 1:47 pm Subject: Re: [GWIN] My Suprising Y-Chromosome DNA Results - Descendent of Robert Gwinn of the Calfpasture Hey Ray, It's been a long time! Hope all is well. I have to admit, I have not had a chance to do much genealogy in some time and I have never heard of, nor thought about a DNA comparison. Do you have any info, estimated costs etc? Thanks! Mike Gwinn Robert->Samuel->John->Laban->etc ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hey Ray, It's been a long time! Hope all is well. I have to admit, I have not had a chance to do much genealogy in some time and I have never heard of, nor thought about a DNA comparison. Do you have any info, estimated costs etc? Thanks! Mike Gwinn Robert->Samuel->John->Laban->etc

Please forgive all the question marks in my earlier message.? I do not know what caused it. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:46 pm Subject: [GWIN] My Suprising Y-Chromosome DNA Results - Descendent of Robert Gwinn of the Calfpasture This list has not been active in a long time.? I hope that there are still a few Gwinns (of whatever spelling) that are still on the list.? Are there any Gwinns out there who have taken a Y-DNA test?? I am particulary interested in the documented descendents of Robert Gwin of the Calfpasture (1715c-1780c) through his sons, David, Joseph, and Robert Jr.? I am also interested in any Gwinn descendents of Patrick Gwin and Jeannette McDonald--Patrick was supposedly the brother of Robert Gwin. I am a descendent of Samuel Gwinn, b.c 1751 in Augusta County, Virginia.? His father is believed to be the Robert Gwin who purchased 544 acres on the Calfpasture from Patton, Lewis and Beverly in 1745.? Robert may have come over from Ireland on the ship Walpole, James Patton, commanding, in 1738.? Many of the Calfpasture families were on that ship as Patton specifically brought them over for the purpose of settling the area and gaining title to the land. Because the surname Gwinn generally comes from the Welsh, gwyn, meaning fair or white, most of us properly assumed that our family could ultimately be traced back to Wales.? However, I recently took a 67-marker Y-DNA test from Family Tree DNA and obtained a suprising result.? My Y-DNA markers appear to match the haplogroup, R1b1c7---this group has recently been associated by Trinity College in Dublin with the Ui Niells--the descendents and/or kin of the Irish warlord, Niall of the Nine Hostages.? This group is distinctively Irish--it appears also in lowland?Scotland, but?rarely in Wales. I knew of another distant Gwinn relative, descended from a different son of Samuel Gwinn, b.c 1751, that had taken the Y-DNA test.? I checked with his niece and our markers matched with a difference of only 1 mutation.? This confirmed to me that there is probably not a non-paternal event (adoption, infidelity, illegitimacy, etc.) for our lines up to Samuel Gwinn.? Approximately 1 out of 12 Irishmen belong to the subclade R1b1c7; it reaches 20 percent or more in County Donegal; 3 million men worldwide; 1 out of 50 New Yorkers.? You can google Niall and find all sorts of references, but here is the Family Tree? DNA page on the topic: http://www.familytreedna.com/matchnialltest.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This list has not been active in a long time.? I hope that there are still a few Gwinns (of whatever spelling) that are still on the list.? Are there any Gwinns out there who have taken a Y-DNA test?? I am particulary interested in the documented descendents of Robert Gwin of the Calfpasture (1715c-1780c) through his sons, David, Joseph, and Robert Jr.? I am also interested in any Gwinn descendents of Patrick Gwin and Jeannette McDonald--Patrick was supposedly the brother of Robert Gwin. I am a descendent of Samuel Gwinn, b.c 1751 in Augusta County, Virginia.? His father is believed to be the Robert Gwin who purchased 544 acres on the Calfpasture from Patton, Lewis and Beverly in 1745.? Robert may have come over from Ireland on the ship Walpole, James Patton, commanding, in 1738.? Many of the Calfpasture families were on that ship as Patton specifically brought them over for the purpose of settling the area and gaining title to the land. Because the surname Gwinn generally comes from the Welsh, gwyn, meaning fair or white, most of us properly assumed that our family could ultimately be traced back to Wales.? However, I recently took a 67-marker Y-DNA test from Family Tree DNA and obtained a suprising result.? My Y-DNA markers appear to match the haplogroup, R1b1c7---this group has recently been associated by Trinity College in Dublin with the Ui Niells--the descendents and/or kin of the Irish warlord, Niall of the Nine Hostages.? This group is distinctively Irish--it appears also in lowland?Scotland, but?rarely in Wales. I knew of another distant Gwinn relative, descended from a different son of Samuel Gwinn, b.c 1751, that had taken the Y-DNA test.? I checked with his niece and our markers matched with a difference of only 1 mutation.? This confirmed to me that there is probably not a non-paternal event (adoption, infidelity, illegitimacy, etc.) for our lines up to Samuel Gwinn.? Approximately 1 out of 12 Irishmen belong to the subclade R1b1c7; it reaches 20 percent or more in County Donegal; 3 million men worldwide; 1 out of 50 New Yorkers.? You can google Niall and find all sorts of references, but here is the Family Tree? DNA page on the topic: http://www.familytreedna.com/matchnialltest.html

I am a descendant of BAYSDEN GWIN and SARAH MADDOX, married in Va. 1792. Their son JOHN GWIN 1794-1852 was my ggg grandfather. Baysden Gwin was a ship master that traded in the West Indies from the South Carolina coastal areas. Any information on this family appreciated. {I was on here about 10 years ago, and still searching.} Nancie in S.C.

Do you have any further information such as Children etc.? Jeanette -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of nancie o Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 3:00 PM To: Gwin's Subject: [GWIN] Gwin's from Va. > S.C. I am a descendant of BAYSDEN GWIN and SARAH MADDOX, married in Va. 1792. Their son JOHN GWIN 1794-1852 was my ggg grandfather. Baysden Gwin was a ship master that traded in the West Indies from the South Carolina coastal areas. Any information on this family appreciated. {I was on here about 10 years ago, and still searching.} Nancie in S.C. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a long line of Sumner Co. Gwinn's but no Bryant marriages to any of them. This group went to west Tennessee, Mississippi and to California. > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: rachel <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [GWIN] Gwin in Sumner co TN > Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:25:50 -0600 > > Hello- I am new and wanting to see if there is anyone here who may be > related to the Sumner co., TN Gwin line > > More specifically I am trying to find out the relationship between A > William Gwin and the Bryant line > > I have a marriage document for Lucretia Bryant who was born abt 1795- > she married Ahasuerus Hezekiah Dyer December 22, 1810 in Sumner County, > Tennessee- William Gwin was the bondsman. > > Later, William Bryant heirs, vs.  Edward Gwin in 1820 > I am not able to find the name Lucretia Bryant in the estate settlement > of William Bryant so perhaps Lucretia was the daughter of another Bryant > line- > > Thanks for any help > rae > > Terry L. Coats-VP NC&St.L Preservation Society Goodlettsville, TN 37072 www.ncstl.com ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Sorry I have no TN Gwin's in my direct line, only VA, SC, GA, AL Edward Gwinn ----Original Message Follows---- From: rachel <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: [GWIN] Gwin in Sumner co TN Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:25:50 -0600 Hello- I am new and wanting to see if there is anyone here who may be related to the Sumner co., TN Gwin line More specifically I am trying to find out the relationship between A William Gwin and the Bryant line I have a marriage document for Lucretia Bryant who was born abt 1795- she married Ahasuerus Hezekiah Dyer December 22, 1810 in Sumner County, Tennessee- William Gwin was the bondsman. Later, William Bryant heirs, vs. Edward Gwin in 1820 I am not able to find the name Lucretia Bryant in the estate settlement of William Bryant so perhaps Lucretia was the daughter of another Bryant line- Thanks for any help rae ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com

Hello- I am new and wanting to see if there is anyone here who may be related to the Sumner co., TN Gwin line More specifically I am trying to find out the relationship between A William Gwin and the Bryant line I have a marriage document for Lucretia Bryant who was born abt 1795- she married Ahasuerus Hezekiah Dyer December 22, 1810 in Sumner County, Tennessee- William Gwin was the bondsman. Later, William Bryant heirs, vs. Edward Gwin in 1820 I am not able to find the name Lucretia Bryant in the estate settlement of William Bryant so perhaps Lucretia was the daughter of another Bryant line- Thanks for any help rae

Oh yes I am very interested. Please send more. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Horinek Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GWIN] Oklahoma Gwins, John P. Jeanette, I have more infomation on some of John Paul Gwin's brother's. I also have lot's on information on Austin Burt Gwin and Florence A. Tripp as well as their parents. Let me know if you are interested. Sheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanette" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [GWIN] Oklahoma Gwins, John P. > Thank you so very much. I do have a Gwin cousin after all. I am so > excited about this information. > I thank you with all my heart. > Jeanette > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of David Horinek > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:12 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [GWIN] Oklahoma Gwins, John P. > > This last information finally clicked something in my brain. > My father told me stories of his "Aunt Ida" who showed him how to make > soap. My father was Thomas Burt Gwin. His parents were John Robert > Gwin and Jessie May Storms. His grandparents were Austin Burt Gwin and > Florence A. > Tripp. Austin and Florence are buried at the Terlton Cemetery in > Terlton, Pawnee County, OK. > According to my father Ida was a Creek Indian and had a sister named Ada. > I > do not know who Ada married or their maiden name. > You will find William on the 1880 census for Centroloplis, Franklin > County, Kansas, with his parents. > Hope this helps. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeanette" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 1:54 AM > Subject: Re: [GWIN] Oklahoma Gwins, John P. > > >> >> John Paul Gwin >> Born 1901 Creek County OK >> Died 1976 Cherokee County OK >> Father: William H. Gwin >> Born March 1876 Centropolis, Franklin Co, KS Married 1899 Sapulpa >> Oklahoma >> Father: Austin B. Gwin >> Mother: Florence A. ?? >> Mother: Ida M. ?? >> Born: 4-22-1882 Indian Territory Sapulpa, OK >> Died: 7-01-1975 Kellyville, Creek County, OK >> Sister: Myrtle Velma Gwin >> Born: 4-1899 Indian Territory >> Brother: George Bert Gwin >> Born: 1906 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of [email protected] >> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:44 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [GWIN] Oklahoma Gwins, John P. >> >> There were lots of Guin, Gwin, Guinn in Oklahoma. I've been >> researching some of them. Can you give me more information on him? >> You can email me privately if you want. >> Peggy Guinn Bowen >> >> >> >> ************************************** See what's free at >> http://www.aol.com. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> !DSPAM:4665088b13281151164831! >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jeanette, I have more infomation on some of John Paul Gwin's brother's. I also have lot's on information on Austin Burt Gwin and Florence A. Tripp as well as their parents. Let me know if you are interested. Sheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanette" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [GWIN] Oklahoma Gwins, John P. > Thank you so very much. I do have a Gwin cousin after all. I am so excited > about this information. > I thank you with all my heart. > Jeanette > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf > Of David Horinek > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:12 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [GWIN] Oklahoma Gwins, John P. > > This last information finally clicked something in my brain. > My father told me stories of his "Aunt Ida" who showed him how to make > soap. My father was Thomas Burt Gwin. His parents were John Robert Gwin > and > Jessie May Storms. His grandparents were Austin Burt Gwin and Florence A. > Tripp. Austin and Florence are buried at the Terlton Cemetery in Terlton, > Pawnee County, OK. > According to my father Ida was a Creek Indian and had a sister named Ada. > I > do not know who Ada married or their maiden name. > You will find William on the 1880 census for Centroloplis, Franklin > County, > Kansas, with his parents. > Hope this helps. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeanette" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 1:54 AM > Subject: Re: [GWIN] Oklahoma Gwins, John P. > > >> >> John Paul Gwin >> Born 1901 Creek County OK >> Died 1976 Cherokee County OK >> Father: William H. Gwin >> Born March 1876 Centropolis, Franklin Co, KS >> Married 1899 Sapulpa Oklahoma >> Father: Austin B. Gwin >> Mother: Florence A. ?? >> Mother: Ida M. ?? >> Born: 4-22-1882 Indian Territory Sapulpa, OK >> Died: 7-01-1975 Kellyville, Creek County, OK >> Sister: Myrtle Velma Gwin >> Born: 4-1899 Indian Territory >> Brother: George Bert Gwin >> Born: 1906 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf >> Of [email protected] >> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 10:44 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [GWIN] Oklahoma Gwins, John P. >> >> There were lots of Guin, Gwin, Guinn in Oklahoma. I've been researching >> some of them. Can you give me more information on him? You can email me >> privately if you want. >> Peggy Guinn Bowen >> >> >> >> ************************************** See what's free at >> http://www.aol.com. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> !DSPAM:4665088b13281151164831! >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >