Does anyone know the father of William (Rass) Guin? According to census records, Rass was born in AL. His dates: April 7, 1856 August 27, 1912. He married Mary Ann Ramey and settled in Itawamba County, MS. He is buried at Kirkville Cemetery in Itawamba County, MS (very very close to the Prentiss Co., MS line). According to his census records, his father was born in Ireland, and mother was born in AL, so I am assuming Rass's father came over to America as a child and married in AL. I am at a total brick wall on this. Can anyone help? He named his sons: Urlich (Earl) Guin and Dink Guin if that helps at all. I thought the Urlich might be a clue to someone? Karen

Hi Cindy-- I am certainly interested in hearing the results of your research and am willing to keep an open mind as new evidence arises. However, based on the circumstances of Robert Gwin's settlement on the Calfpasture River, I think it is much more probable that Robert was one of many settlers that Colonel James Patton imported from Northern Ireland in order to gain title to a large tract of land on the Calfpasture River.  With authorization from the Council of Virginia, Patton, John Lewis, and William Beverley had entered into a joint venture to obtain title to 30,000 acres on the Calfpasture by settling at least one person upon each 1,000 acres of land.  While I do not say that I have proven this theory, the weight of the evidence that I have uncovered to date certainly supports it and is generally consistent with our family tradition. I will make a commitment to write down what I have found so far and share it with everyone on the list--hopefully no later than the end of this month. Concerning connections to the line of Colonel Hugh Gwyn of Gloucester County, while I would not preclude that some relationship existed, I do not find it likely. Contrary to what many people believe, I do not think that all Gwins, Gwyns, etc. in this country share a common ancestry. No more than all people with the surname White share a common ancestry. By the way, some researchers have tried to link Colonel Hugh Gwyn with the famous Wynn family of Gwydir Mansion. Here is an interesting website that points out that there is no documentation to support this---http://www.geocities.com/ttg13/mylespage.html Concerning Patrick Gwin (by tradition a brother of Robert) I have not done much research on his line. From the research of several others, it has been my understanding that Patrick's descendents moved from Augusta County, Virginia into Eastern Tennessee--which is very typical of migration patterns into the New River valley settlements by the Ulster Scots (again an area opened up by Colonel James Patton before his murder at Draper's Meadows.) Concerning Patrick Gwin's descendents, I can't comment on whether or not they had any melungeon blood. A description of the early Gwins that I have read generally describes them as fair, blue-eyed, short but , athletic and wiry, with a tendency to early baldness in life. A. R. Gwinn's written remembrance of the verbal testimony of Isabella Hogshead Gwin describes James Gwin as being entirely bald at an early age. Millers' History of Summers County, WV has pictures of Samuel Gwinn, Sr.'s grandchildren, Harrison and Marion (sons of Ephraim J. Gwinn) and Andrew "Long Andy" Gwinn. All three men appear to be light skinned---especially Marion (a WV State Senator). So all things considered, I would have to say it is unlikely that the Samuel and James Gwin line had much, if any, melungeon blood. Best wishes! Ron Gwinn

In a message dated 6/27/01 3:17:21 PM, [email protected] writes: << For Terry Coats: I saw your note on your file on Mordecia. Do you have anything on his parents or where he really came from??? Thanks Harris Husted >> No I do not have his parents. I suspect that there is a link to Hugh and Owain Gwyn which needs to be proven. Terry

I think we will eventually find that we are all descended from Hugh and Owain Gwynne, who did come from Wales. It will just take a lot more digging. Cindy, I descend from Mordeaci though I cannot prove the link from Mordeaci to Hugh I am confident this is a viable link. We need to find the children of Hugh somehow. Terry Coats

I just added to my Gwin website the following file: Index to all land sales by Gwinn/Guinns in Greenbrier co (was VA, now WV) through 1871 Transcribed from the grantor index by me - but I don't really know anything about these Gwinns, so don't ask me for more info on them. I was looking for somebody who didn't show up... Enjoy! --Holly Gwins of Augusta/Bath/Highland co VA: http://www.hollyhockpress.com/~wanless/gwin

Hi, Ron, This is one thing I really want to work on trying to prove. I do believe that these Gwin/Guinns are related, and not that far back. I know what family tradition says, but I believe Robert, Patrick, etc. actually came from NC. I believe they were a group of people called Melungeons - people of mixed race, looking to hide their heritage. I have been studying Melungeons almost exclusively for more than a year. They moved further west into VA and WV, then into the mountains of TN. The Guinn/Gwin migrations fit the migration patterns of Melungeons, and I do know that my Guinns (descendents of Patrick, brother of Robert) were Melungeon. It certainly would point to the mixed heritage of other Guinns, also. I have discovered that I am of Melungeon descent on all sides of my family. It has been an interesting study. It's controversial, but interesting. I think we will eventually find that we are all descended from Hugh and Owain Gwynne, who did come from Wales. It will just take a lot more digging. Cindy > > Harris-- > > You asked whether my Gwinn line (descendents of Robert Gwin of the > Calfpasture River, Augusta County, Virginia) are connected to Mordecai Gwin > of North Carolina. I have not seen documented connection between these two > Gwin families. Mordecai was a contemporary of Robert Gwin and they both > lived in Orange Counties---except one Orange County was in Virginia and the > other was in North Carolina. > > Jesse B. Gwin in The History of the Gwin Family states that Robert Gwin came > from Wales to North Carolina sometime before 1745 before moving to Augusta > County. However, he provided no documentation for this conclusion. > > George W. Cleek in Early Western Augusta Pioneers says that Robert Gwin was > born in Orange County, Wales before moving to Virginia before 1744. The > problem here is that there is no Orange County in Wales (and never has been). > > Our family tradition has been that our Gwin ancestor came directly from > Ireland to Virginia. I believe that this is closer to the truth. He would > have probably settled first in Orange County, Virginia (Augusta County was > later formed from this county). Jesse B. Gwin may have gotten his Orange > Counties confused in stating that Robert Gwin came from North > Carolina--especially since he knew that there was a Gwin family in North > Carolina at that time. > > Until someone can show otherwise, I have to conclude that the two Gwin lines > were not directly related---unless it were many generations back. > > Best wishes! Ron Gwinn >

I am very interested in your Gwinn family. I have Guinn family. My ggggrandfather was John Byron Guinn. He was born in North Carolina in 1785. His wife, Sarah Varnell, was born in Virginia. They married in 1807 in Sevier Co., TN. I am looking for the parents of John B. Guinn. I believe his father to have been Charles Guinn who was in the Sevier Co., TN area in 1807. My gggrandfather was Charles Tellis Guinn born in Sevier co., TN on July 4, 1821. there are several more children: Mary Ann, Sarah, Covington, Jesse Pierce and Matilda. Hopefully, you may have some knowledge of this family. I do not have any siblings of John B. Guinn or any hints as to where to go now. Any help would be greatfully appreciated. Thank you, Mary Jo Moore The Woodlands, TX [email protected] ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/

Does anyone have any info on William and Milia GWIN who came to Union County, IL. circa 1818 from TN. Their children were Melissa, Elizabeth, Martha and John. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 2:10 PM Subject: Re:Capt David Gwin > Katrina, > > Somehow I got lost on this. I have and extensive line of Mordecai Gwin but > do not find Capt David in my database. Would you please expound a bit on how > David is connected to Mordecai? > > Thanks, > Terry Coats > > ____________________________________________________________ > In a message dated 6/27/01 1:57:57 PM, [email protected] writes: > > << Yes same gwinns > > > Katrina Gwinn-Hardy, MD > > NINDS > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Harris Husted [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 11:56 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: Capt David Gwin > > > Hi: > > > Are these Gwins connected to Mordecia Gwin of North Carolina?? > > > Thanks > > Harris Husted > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:13 PM > > Subject: Re: Capt David Gwin > > > > > Liz-- > > > > > > By tradition, Captain David Gwin was born about 1742 in Orange County > > (later > > > Augusta County) Virginia to Robert Gwin of the Calfpasture River and Jean > > > Kinkead. However, I have not seen any primary documentary sources to > > prove > > > this. > > > > > > David was commissioned a lieutenant, and later a captain, of Augusta > > County > > > militia and fought at the Battle of Guilford Court House. This is based on > > > pension applications of soldiers who served under his command. Also, based > > on > > > several pension applications of other Revolutionary War veterans, I > > conclude > > > that Captain Gwin's company was also involved in the Yorktown > > campaign--but > > > this has never been mentioned in reference books as far as I can tell. > > > > > > Early Western Augusta Pioneers by George W. Cleek, and the History of the > > > Gwin Family by Jesse Blaine Gwin, both have the text of David Gwin's last > > > will and testament, as well as other information on Captain Gwin. > > However, I > > > would urge caution as both books have errors and do not fully document > > source > > > information. Of the two, the first is more reliable. > > > > > > The History of the Graham Family by David Graham is a very reliable source > > on > > > Samuel and James Gwin who moved to the Greenbrier River about 1778-1780. > > > David Graham personally knew Samuel, James and their descendents. Samuel > > and > > > James are by tradition said to be brothers of Captain David Gwin. > > > > > > The History of the Gwin Family by Jesse Blaine Gwin also includes an > > article > > > entitled Sketch of the Gwinn Generation which is based on A. R. Gwinn's > > > interview of Isabella Gwin Hogshead when she was 80 years old. She was > > > Captain David Gwin's daughter. This "sketch" matches up well with the > > > History of the Graham Family with one exception---it states that Samuel > > and > > > James were sons of Captain David Gwin. I believe this error might be due > > to > > > either Ms. Hogshead's failing memory--or more likely a misunderstanding on > > A. > > > R. Gwinn's part. > > > > > > The earliest record that I have found (so far) of a David Gwin in Augusta > > > County is in Hening's Statutes at Large (Laws of Virginia), Volume VII, p. > > > 171, et. seq. This is a statute dated September 14, 1758 and is entitled > > "An > > > Act for the defence of the Frontiers of this Colony, and for other > > purposes > > > therein mentioned." Skipping ahead to p. 179, there is a schedule "To the > > > Militia of the County of Augusta, and for Provisions furnished by sundry > > > inhabitants of the said County." > > > There follows a list of payments to the county militia for services > > rendered > > > including: > > > > > > On page 189, to Robert Gwin, for a horse "lost on the Shawnese (sic) > > > expedition, appraised to" 7 pounds. > > > On page 227, to David Gwinn, for corn for soldiers, 8 shillings > > > > > > I assume that this is the same David Gwinn as the man who would later be > > > Captain David Gwin. If so, and assuming that the traditional birthdate of > > > 1742 is correct, he would have been 16 in 1758. Would he have been old > > > enough to have provided and received payment for corn provided to the > > > soldiers? Or could this be another David Gwinn--possibly a grandfather or > > > uncle of Captain David? > > > > > > Finally, you asked for an opinion on web gedcoms that take him back to 850 > > > Wales. These genealogies are pure flights of fiction and have no > > > documentation to back them up. When you compare these genealogies to > > known > > > historical facts they fall completely apart. > > > > > > Best wishes! Ron Gwinn (5xgreat-grandson of Samuel Gwinn, Sr., > > 1751c-1839) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

For Ron Gwin Thanks so much for your info...I think you are right on in your research. These Gwins just don't want to be found.... Harris ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 5:05 PM Subject: Re: Capt David Gwin > Harris-- > > You asked whether my Gwinn line (descendents of Robert Gwin of the > Calfpasture River, Augusta County, Virginia) are connected to Mordecai Gwin > of North Carolina. I have not seen documented connection between these two > Gwin families. Mordecai was a contemporary of Robert Gwin and they both > lived in Orange Counties---except one Orange County was in Virginia and the > other was in North Carolina. > > Jesse B. Gwin in The History of the Gwin Family states that Robert Gwin came > from Wales to North Carolina sometime before 1745 before moving to Augusta > County. However, he provided no documentation for this conclusion. > > George W. Cleek in Early Western Augusta Pioneers says that Robert Gwin was > born in Orange County, Wales before moving to Virginia before 1744. The > problem here is that there is no Orange County in Wales (and never has been). > > Our family tradition has been that our Gwin ancestor came directly from > Ireland to Virginia. I believe that this is closer to the truth. He would > have probably settled first in Orange County, Virginia (Augusta County was > later formed from this county). Jesse B. Gwin may have gotten his Orange > Counties confused in stating that Robert Gwin came from North > Carolina--especially since he knew that there was a Gwin family in North > Carolina at that time. > > Until someone can show otherwise, I have to conclude that the two Gwin lines > were not directly related---unless it were many generations back. > > Best wishes! Ron Gwinn > > > > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > >

Harris-- You asked whether my Gwinn line (descendents of Robert Gwin of the Calfpasture River, Augusta County, Virginia) are connected to Mordecai Gwin of North Carolina. I have not seen documented connection between these two Gwin families. Mordecai was a contemporary of Robert Gwin and they both lived in Orange Counties---except one Orange County was in Virginia and the other was in North Carolina. Jesse B. Gwin in The History of the Gwin Family states that Robert Gwin came from Wales to North Carolina sometime before 1745 before moving to Augusta County. However, he provided no documentation for this conclusion. George W. Cleek in Early Western Augusta Pioneers says that Robert Gwin was born in Orange County, Wales before moving to Virginia before 1744. The problem here is that there is no Orange County in Wales (and never has been). Our family tradition has been that our Gwin ancestor came directly from Ireland to Virginia. I believe that this is closer to the truth. He would have probably settled first in Orange County, Virginia (Augusta County was later formed from this county). Jesse B. Gwin may have gotten his Orange Counties confused in stating that Robert Gwin came from North Carolina--especially since he knew that there was a Gwin family in North Carolina at that time. Until someone can show otherwise, I have to conclude that the two Gwin lines were not directly related---unless it were many generations back. Best wishes! Ron Gwinn

Katrina, Somehow I got lost on this. I have and extensive line of Mordecai Gwin but do not find Capt David in my database. Would you please expound a bit on how David is connected to Mordecai? Thanks, Terry Coats ____________________________________________________________ In a message dated 6/27/01 1:57:57 PM, [email protected] writes: << Yes same gwinns Katrina Gwinn-Hardy, MD NINDS -----Original Message----- From: Harris Husted [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 11:56 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Capt David Gwin Hi: Are these Gwins connected to Mordecia Gwin of North Carolina?? Thanks Harris Husted ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:13 PM Subject: Re: Capt David Gwin > Liz-- > > By tradition, Captain David Gwin was born about 1742 in Orange County (later > Augusta County) Virginia to Robert Gwin of the Calfpasture River and Jean > Kinkead. However, I have not seen any primary documentary sources to prove > this. > > David was commissioned a lieutenant, and later a captain, of Augusta County > militia and fought at the Battle of Guilford Court House. This is based on > pension applications of soldiers who served under his command. Also, based on > several pension applications of other Revolutionary War veterans, I conclude > that Captain Gwin's company was also involved in the Yorktown campaign--but > this has never been mentioned in reference books as far as I can tell. > > Early Western Augusta Pioneers by George W. Cleek, and the History of the > Gwin Family by Jesse Blaine Gwin, both have the text of David Gwin's last > will and testament, as well as other information on Captain Gwin. However, I > would urge caution as both books have errors and do not fully document source > information. Of the two, the first is more reliable. > > The History of the Graham Family by David Graham is a very reliable source on > Samuel and James Gwin who moved to the Greenbrier River about 1778-1780. > David Graham personally knew Samuel, James and their descendents. Samuel and > James are by tradition said to be brothers of Captain David Gwin. > > The History of the Gwin Family by Jesse Blaine Gwin also includes an article > entitled Sketch of the Gwinn Generation which is based on A. R. Gwinn's > interview of Isabella Gwin Hogshead when she was 80 years old. She was > Captain David Gwin's daughter. This "sketch" matches up well with the > History of the Graham Family with one exception---it states that Samuel and > James were sons of Captain David Gwin. I believe this error might be due to > either Ms. Hogshead's failing memory--or more likely a misunderstanding on A. > R. Gwinn's part. > > The earliest record that I have found (so far) of a David Gwin in Augusta > County is in Hening's Statutes at Large (Laws of Virginia), Volume VII, p. > 171, et. seq. This is a statute dated September 14, 1758 and is entitled "An > Act for the defence of the Frontiers of this Colony, and for other purposes > therein mentioned." Skipping ahead to p. 179, there is a schedule "To the > Militia of the County of Augusta, and for Provisions furnished by sundry > inhabitants of the said County." > There follows a list of payments to the county militia for services rendered > including: > > On page 189, to Robert Gwin, for a horse "lost on the Shawnese (sic) > expedition, appraised to" 7 pounds. > On page 227, to David Gwinn, for corn for soldiers, 8 shillings > > I assume that this is the same David Gwinn as the man who would later be > Captain David Gwin. If so, and assuming that the traditional birthdate of > 1742 is correct, he would have been 16 in 1758. Would he have been old > enough to have provided and received payment for corn provided to the > soldiers? Or could this be another David Gwinn--possibly a grandfather or > uncle of Captain David? > > Finally, you asked for an opinion on web gedcoms that take him back to 850 > Wales. These genealogies are pure flights of fiction and have no > documentation to back them up. When you compare these genealogies to known > historical facts they fall completely apart. > > Best wishes! Ron Gwinn (5xgreat-grandson of Samuel Gwinn, Sr., 1751c-1839) > > > >

For Terry Coats: I saw your note on your file on Mordecia. Do you have anything on his parents or where he really came from??? Thanks Harris Husted ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 2:10 PM Subject: Re:Capt David Gwin > Katrina, > > Somehow I got lost on this. I have and extensive line of Mordecai Gwin but > do not find Capt David in my database. Would you please expound a bit on how > David is connected to Mordecai? > > Thanks, > Terry Coats > > ____________________________________________________________ > In a message dated 6/27/01 1:57:57 PM, [email protected] writes: > > << Yes same gwinns > > > Katrina Gwinn-Hardy, MD > > NINDS > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Harris Husted [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 11:56 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: Capt David Gwin > > > Hi: > > > Are these Gwins connected to Mordecia Gwin of North Carolina?? > > > Thanks > > Harris Husted > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:13 PM > > Subject: Re: Capt David Gwin > > > > > Liz-- > > > > > > By tradition, Captain David Gwin was born about 1742 in Orange County > > (later > > > Augusta County) Virginia to Robert Gwin of the Calfpasture River and Jean > > > Kinkead. However, I have not seen any primary documentary sources to > > prove > > > this. > > > > > > David was commissioned a lieutenant, and later a captain, of Augusta > > County > > > militia and fought at the Battle of Guilford Court House. This is based on > > > pension applications of soldiers who served under his command. Also, based > > on > > > several pension applications of other Revolutionary War veterans, I > > conclude > > > that Captain Gwin's company was also involved in the Yorktown > > campaign--but > > > this has never been mentioned in reference books as far as I can tell. > > > > > > Early Western Augusta Pioneers by George W. Cleek, and the History of the > > > Gwin Family by Jesse Blaine Gwin, both have the text of David Gwin's last > > > will and testament, as well as other information on Captain Gwin. > > However, I > > > would urge caution as both books have errors and do not fully document > > source > > > information. Of the two, the first is more reliable. > > > > > > The History of the Graham Family by David Graham is a very reliable source > > on > > > Samuel and James Gwin who moved to the Greenbrier River about 1778-1780. > > > David Graham personally knew Samuel, James and their descendents. Samuel > > and > > > James are by tradition said to be brothers of Captain David Gwin. > > > > > > The History of the Gwin Family by Jesse Blaine Gwin also includes an > > article > > > entitled Sketch of the Gwinn Generation which is based on A. R. Gwinn's > > > interview of Isabella Gwin Hogshead when she was 80 years old. She was > > > Captain David Gwin's daughter. This "sketch" matches up well with the > > > History of the Graham Family with one exception---it states that Samuel > > and > > > James were sons of Captain David Gwin. I believe this error might be due > > to > > > either Ms. Hogshead's failing memory--or more likely a misunderstanding on > > A. > > > R. Gwinn's part. > > > > > > The earliest record that I have found (so far) of a David Gwin in Augusta > > > County is in Hening's Statutes at Large (Laws of Virginia), Volume VII, p. > > > 171, et. seq. This is a statute dated September 14, 1758 and is entitled > > "An > > > Act for the defence of the Frontiers of this Colony, and for other > > purposes > > > therein mentioned." Skipping ahead to p. 179, there is a schedule "To the > > > Militia of the County of Augusta, and for Provisions furnished by sundry > > > inhabitants of the said County." > > > There follows a list of payments to the county militia for services > > rendered > > > including: > > > > > > On page 189, to Robert Gwin, for a horse "lost on the Shawnese (sic) > > > expedition, appraised to" 7 pounds. > > > On page 227, to David Gwinn, for corn for soldiers, 8 shillings > > > > > > I assume that this is the same David Gwinn as the man who would later be > > > Captain David Gwin. If so, and assuming that the traditional birthdate of > > > 1742 is correct, he would have been 16 in 1758. Would he have been old > > > enough to have provided and received payment for corn provided to the > > > soldiers? Or could this be another David Gwinn--possibly a grandfather or > > > uncle of Captain David? > > > > > > Finally, you asked for an opinion on web gedcoms that take him back to 850 > > > Wales. These genealogies are pure flights of fiction and have no > > > documentation to back them up. When you compare these genealogies to > > known > > > historical facts they fall completely apart. > > > > > > Best wishes! Ron Gwinn (5xgreat-grandson of Samuel Gwinn, Sr., > > 1751c-1839) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >

Yes same gwinns Katrina Gwinn-Hardy, MD NINDS -----Original Message----- From: Harris Husted [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 11:56 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Capt David Gwin Hi: Are these Gwins connected to Mordecia Gwin of North Carolina?? Thanks Harris Husted ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:13 PM Subject: Re: Capt David Gwin > Liz-- > > By tradition, Captain David Gwin was born about 1742 in Orange County (later > Augusta County) Virginia to Robert Gwin of the Calfpasture River and Jean > Kinkead. However, I have not seen any primary documentary sources to prove > this. > > David was commissioned a lieutenant, and later a captain, of Augusta County > militia and fought at the Battle of Guilford Court House. This is based on > pension applications of soldiers who served under his command. Also, based on > several pension applications of other Revolutionary War veterans, I conclude > that Captain Gwin's company was also involved in the Yorktown campaign--but > this has never been mentioned in reference books as far as I can tell. > > Early Western Augusta Pioneers by George W. Cleek, and the History of the > Gwin Family by Jesse Blaine Gwin, both have the text of David Gwin's last > will and testament, as well as other information on Captain Gwin. However, I > would urge caution as both books have errors and do not fully document source > information. Of the two, the first is more reliable. > > The History of the Graham Family by David Graham is a very reliable source on > Samuel and James Gwin who moved to the Greenbrier River about 1778-1780. > David Graham personally knew Samuel, James and their descendents. Samuel and > James are by tradition said to be brothers of Captain David Gwin. > > The History of the Gwin Family by Jesse Blaine Gwin also includes an article > entitled Sketch of the Gwinn Generation which is based on A. R. Gwinn's > interview of Isabella Gwin Hogshead when she was 80 years old. She was > Captain David Gwin's daughter. This "sketch" matches up well with the > History of the Graham Family with one exception---it states that Samuel and > James were sons of Captain David Gwin. I believe this error might be due to > either Ms. Hogshead's failing memory--or more likely a misunderstanding on A. > R. Gwinn's part. > > The earliest record that I have found (so far) of a David Gwin in Augusta > County is in Hening's Statutes at Large (Laws of Virginia), Volume VII, p. > 171, et. seq. This is a statute dated September 14, 1758 and is entitled "An > Act for the defence of the Frontiers of this Colony, and for other purposes > therein mentioned." Skipping ahead to p. 179, there is a schedule "To the > Militia of the County of Augusta, and for Provisions furnished by sundry > inhabitants of the said County." > There follows a list of payments to the county militia for services rendered > including: > > On page 189, to Robert Gwin, for a horse "lost on the Shawnese (sic) > expedition, appraised to" 7 pounds. > On page 227, to David Gwinn, for corn for soldiers, 8 shillings > > I assume that this is the same David Gwinn as the man who would later be > Captain David Gwin. If so, and assuming that the traditional birthdate of > 1742 is correct, he would have been 16 in 1758. Would he have been old > enough to have provided and received payment for corn provided to the > soldiers? Or could this be another David Gwinn--possibly a grandfather or > uncle of Captain David? > > Finally, you asked for an opinion on web gedcoms that take him back to 850 > Wales. These genealogies are pure flights of fiction and have no > documentation to back them up. When you compare these genealogies to known > historical facts they fall completely apart. > > Best wishes! Ron Gwinn (5xgreat-grandson of Samuel Gwinn, Sr., 1751c-1839) > > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

Hi: Are these Gwins connected to Mordecia Gwin of North Carolina?? Thanks Harris Husted ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 10:13 PM Subject: Re: Capt David Gwin > Liz-- > > By tradition, Captain David Gwin was born about 1742 in Orange County (later > Augusta County) Virginia to Robert Gwin of the Calfpasture River and Jean > Kinkead. However, I have not seen any primary documentary sources to prove > this. > > David was commissioned a lieutenant, and later a captain, of Augusta County > militia and fought at the Battle of Guilford Court House. This is based on > pension applications of soldiers who served under his command. Also, based on > several pension applications of other Revolutionary War veterans, I conclude > that Captain Gwin's company was also involved in the Yorktown campaign--but > this has never been mentioned in reference books as far as I can tell. > > Early Western Augusta Pioneers by George W. Cleek, and the History of the > Gwin Family by Jesse Blaine Gwin, both have the text of David Gwin's last > will and testament, as well as other information on Captain Gwin. However, I > would urge caution as both books have errors and do not fully document source > information. Of the two, the first is more reliable. > > The History of the Graham Family by David Graham is a very reliable source on > Samuel and James Gwin who moved to the Greenbrier River about 1778-1780. > David Graham personally knew Samuel, James and their descendents. Samuel and > James are by tradition said to be brothers of Captain David Gwin. > > The History of the Gwin Family by Jesse Blaine Gwin also includes an article > entitled Sketch of the Gwinn Generation which is based on A. R. Gwinn's > interview of Isabella Gwin Hogshead when she was 80 years old. She was > Captain David Gwin's daughter. This "sketch" matches up well with the > History of the Graham Family with one exception---it states that Samuel and > James were sons of Captain David Gwin. I believe this error might be due to > either Ms. Hogshead's failing memory--or more likely a misunderstanding on A. > R. Gwinn's part. > > The earliest record that I have found (so far) of a David Gwin in Augusta > County is in Hening's Statutes at Large (Laws of Virginia), Volume VII, p. > 171, et. seq. This is a statute dated September 14, 1758 and is entitled "An > Act for the defence of the Frontiers of this Colony, and for other purposes > therein mentioned." Skipping ahead to p. 179, there is a schedule "To the > Militia of the County of Augusta, and for Provisions furnished by sundry > inhabitants of the said County." > There follows a list of payments to the county militia for services rendered > including: > > On page 189, to Robert Gwin, for a horse "lost on the Shawnese (sic) > expedition, appraised to" 7 pounds. > On page 227, to David Gwinn, for corn for soldiers, 8 shillings > > I assume that this is the same David Gwinn as the man who would later be > Captain David Gwin. If so, and assuming that the traditional birthdate of > 1742 is correct, he would have been 16 in 1758. Would he have been old > enough to have provided and received payment for corn provided to the > soldiers? Or could this be another David Gwinn--possibly a grandfather or > uncle of Captain David? > > Finally, you asked for an opinion on web gedcoms that take him back to 850 > Wales. These genealogies are pure flights of fiction and have no > documentation to back them up. When you compare these genealogies to known > historical facts they fall completely apart. > > Best wishes! Ron Gwinn (5xgreat-grandson of Samuel Gwinn, Sr., 1751c-1839) > > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

Liz-- By tradition, Captain David Gwin was born about 1742 in Orange County (later Augusta County) Virginia to Robert Gwin of the Calfpasture River and Jean Kinkead. However, I have not seen any primary documentary sources to prove this. David was commissioned a lieutenant, and later a captain, of Augusta County militia and fought at the Battle of Guilford Court House. This is based on pension applications of soldiers who served under his command. Also, based on several pension applications of other Revolutionary War veterans, I conclude that Captain Gwin's company was also involved in the Yorktown campaign--but this has never been mentioned in reference books as far as I can tell. Early Western Augusta Pioneers by George W. Cleek, and the History of the Gwin Family by Jesse Blaine Gwin, both have the text of David Gwin's last will and testament, as well as other information on Captain Gwin. However, I would urge caution as both books have errors and do not fully document source information. Of the two, the first is more reliable. The History of the Graham Family by David Graham is a very reliable source on Samuel and James Gwin who moved to the Greenbrier River about 1778-1780. David Graham personally knew Samuel, James and their descendents. Samuel and James are by tradition said to be brothers of Captain David Gwin. The History of the Gwin Family by Jesse Blaine Gwin also includes an article entitled Sketch of the Gwinn Generation which is based on A. R. Gwinn's interview of Isabella Gwin Hogshead when she was 80 years old. She was Captain David Gwin's daughter. This "sketch" matches up well with the History of the Graham Family with one exception---it states that Samuel and James were sons of Captain David Gwin. I believe this error might be due to either Ms. Hogshead's failing memory--or more likely a misunderstanding on A. R. Gwinn's part. The earliest record that I have found (so far) of a David Gwin in Augusta County is in Hening's Statutes at Large (Laws of Virginia), Volume VII, p. 171, et. seq. This is a statute dated September 14, 1758 and is entitled "An Act for the defence of the Frontiers of this Colony, and for other purposes therein mentioned." Skipping ahead to p. 179, there is a schedule "To the Militia of the County of Augusta, and for Provisions furnished by sundry inhabitants of the said County." There follows a list of payments to the county militia for services rendered including: On page 189, to Robert Gwin, for a horse "lost on the Shawnese (sic) expedition, appraised to" 7 pounds. On page 227, to David Gwinn, for corn for soldiers, 8 shillings I assume that this is the same David Gwinn as the man who would later be Captain David Gwin. If so, and assuming that the traditional birthdate of 1742 is correct, he would have been 16 in 1758. Would he have been old enough to have provided and received payment for corn provided to the soldiers? Or could this be another David Gwinn--possibly a grandfather or uncle of Captain David? Finally, you asked for an opinion on web gedcoms that take him back to 850 Wales. These genealogies are pure flights of fiction and have no documentation to back them up. When you compare these genealogies to known historical facts they fall completely apart. Best wishes! Ron Gwinn (5xgreat-grandson of Samuel Gwinn, Sr., 1751c-1839)

Hi everyone, Was wondering if anyone has heard of Joseph Guinn b. 1864 in Tenn or Arkansas. He was married to Mary Elizabeh Adams b. 1874 in Missouri. They had six girls and one boy. They are both buried in Okla. Josephs father was suppose to be John Guinn.He was also native american. Anything on this family would be appreciated.. Thank You Bill Blankenship Grandson of Gilbert Blankenship and Isabel House and a fourth great grandson of Isham Blankenship Sr. and Sarah Wilkerson. Searching the surnames of Adams, Blankenshp, Carpenter, Guinn/Guynn, House, Hughes, McClain, Wilkerson and Williams.

There is a "gwynn" castle, in wales, where Robert gwynn aka Gwinn comes from, to the US (Ashe County NC) via Ireland. I don't know more about David but someone does to be sure. k Katrina Gwinn-Hardy, MD NINDS -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 1:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Capt David Gwin Looking for detailed biographical information on Rev War soldier David Gwin and an opnion on the accuracy of web gedcoms that take him back to 850 Wales - I've seen two gedcoms that do so, and a web page on one of his siblings that indicates his father's parentage is somewhat of a conjecture. Considered opinions? Thanks for any input - I'm just starting my paternal lines and connect to him via my Hanna/Cleek family. Liz Montgomery <A HREF="http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/m/o/n/Liz-Montgomery/index.html"> The Saginaw Symons</A> (maternal line only) ============================== Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate your heritage! http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog

Looking for detailed biographical information on Rev War soldier David Gwin and an opnion on the accuracy of web gedcoms that take him back to 850 Wales - I've seen two gedcoms that do so, and a web page on one of his siblings that indicates his father's parentage is somewhat of a conjecture. Considered opinions? Thanks for any input - I'm just starting my paternal lines and connect to him via my Hanna/Cleek family. Liz Montgomery <A HREF="http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/m/o/n/Liz-Montgomery/index.html">The Saginaw Symons</A> (maternal line only)

Hi Beckie, Please do let me know that information. Glad there is something definitive. Diane [email protected]

Hurray! Augusta county VA researchers - I just got the wills of James Gwin d. 1835 and Joseph Guin d. 1848, and boy, what an eye-opener! Several mysteries were solved in one fell swoop! Here's a quick summary, and my Gwin tree has been updated accordingly and includes the wills, or you can see them on the Augusta wills board. 1. Mary Jane Gwin who married James Kincaid in 1829 Augusta co VA, who we discussed recently on the Gwin & Kincaid lists, WAS the granddaughter of Joseph Gwin & Mary Jane Kincaid, just as the Herbert Clarke Kincaid papers said she was. She was the daughter of their son James (d. 1835), but I don't know yet who his wife was - I still suspect Jane Hicklin because that marriage occurred at exactly the right time. 2. This James had the following children, not sure of the order: Joseph, Washington, John, Mary Jane (called Jane), and the youngest two were Martha and Julia - all born in roughly the 1794-1820 timeframe in Augusta co near Deerfield. 3. The Joseph Gwin who md. Elizabeth Kincaid in 1818 & d. 1823 is NOT the son of Joseph & Mary Jane (Kincaid) as I had previously theorized based on circumstantial evidence. He is the son of James above, making him a grandson of Joseph & Mary Jane. This is proved by a reference in James's will to "my grandson Logan Gwin", and Logan is indisputably this Joseph's child, per estate records. 3. Joseph & Mary Jane (Kincaid) Gwin's actual son Joseph died in 1848 in Augusta and he is the father of at least the following Gwin/Guinns who showed up in Tippecanoe co Indiana in the 1830s thru 1850s: Robert Guinn, Eleanor Tate Gwin (md. Cyrus McKamey), Jane Gwin (md. Alexander Hawkins), Martha (md. William F. Baker) and William (md. Ruth Jane Brinkley). Joseph's will does not give his daughters' married names, but the land he left them in Tippecanoe county can be proved that they later owned it under their married names - I'm 95% sure of this, but haven't done the actual land proving yet, but I'm looking at an 1871 or 1879 land atlas page that shows their names on the plots Joseph left them. I'm very excited about this little breakthrough! Check it out at the address below! --Holly Gwins of Augusta/Bath/Highland co VA: http://www.hollyhockpress.com/~wanless/gwin