Hi Cheryl, I knew about this Morris Gwin. At one point I was hoping that I might have a lead to my Morris, but then I realized that he couldn't be in two places at once. My Morris was in District 96, Edgefield, SC. However, I believe there is still room for my Morris and your Morris to be related. Have you run across the will of Robert Hamilton of Kerrs Creek in Rockbridge Co., VA, who mentions Morris Gwyne in his will? The reference is LOST LINKS by Frances Elizabeth Wheeler and Ethel Sivley Moore, page 498. In the will is, "To Morris Gwyne I bequeath Ten pounds to be paid out of my Real Estate." I just thought you would be interested in this, if you didn't already know about it. Davine Roberets Jacksonville, FL

I also live in Jax., Fl. and my ggggr mom was a Gwinn and I have lots on the Gwynne families. My email is <[email protected]> or 269--9663 "I SHARE'" Virginia Little Wager

New to the Gwin List. Looking for Morris Gwin/Gwin from eastern PA, probably Chester County, Philadelphia area. I know for a fact his sister Mary married Lewis Garrett, a Quaker, who was disowned for marrying out of discipline. Morris Gwyn/Gwin along with his sister Mary Gwin Garrett, Lewis and eight children left PA to VA, where Lewis Garrett drowned on the Clinch River. Mary and children moved on to Garrard/Mercer Co., KY by 1789. Morris Gwyn/Gwin remained in Rockbridge, VA until about 1799, after which he moved on to Fayette Co., KY. Morris Gwyn/Gwin died about 1801 in Fayette Co., KY. Would appreciate hearing from anyone else researching this family. Thanks Cheryl

Hi Davine. Glad to make contact again. I run everything through periodically, this time on RootsWeb. I'll let you know if I hear anything. Joseph At 03:25 PM 8/23/2001, you wrote: >Hi Joseph, > >I am glad to hear you are still in pursuit of our Morris Gwyn's/Gwin's >parents. I guess you remember that we shared information a couple of years >ago. I don't have any more information on his parents, although I checked on >several leads to no avail. I am still working on the Gwyn/Gwin book. I will >certainly let you know, if I find anything new on this family. Keep in touch. > >Davine Roberts >Jacksonville, FL > > >============================== >Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history >learning and how-to articles on the Internet. >http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library

Hi Joseph, I am glad to hear you are still in pursuit of our Morris Gwyn's/Gwin's parents. I guess you remember that we shared information a couple of years ago. I don't have any more information on his parents, although I checked on several leads to no avail. I am still working on the Gwyn/Gwin book. I will certainly let you know, if I find anything new on this family. Keep in touch. Davine Roberts Jacksonville, FL

Have you checked the Philadelphia area? There was a Morris Gwin there in the early 1700s. I'm trying to check that area to see if Mordecai Gwin of NC originated there. Richard Heyduck "Joseph B. Lambert" wrote: > I am new to the list. I am looking for information on MORRIS GWYN and his > son John. Morris was b. ca. 1740, probably in Charleston, SC. He d. ca. > 1795 in Edgefield District, SC. His wife was named Ruth. His son John was > b. ca. 1760 and died in 1817 in Edgefield District, SC. His wife was named > Frances. Was Morris Gwyn an emigrant? Who were his parents? What were > the surnames for Ruth and Frances? > > Joseph Lambert > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

I am new to the list. I am looking for information on MORRIS GWYN and his son John. Morris was b. ca. 1740, probably in Charleston, SC. He d. ca. 1795 in Edgefield District, SC. His wife was named Ruth. His son John was b. ca. 1760 and died in 1817 in Edgefield District, SC. His wife was named Frances. Was Morris Gwyn an emigrant? Who were his parents? What were the surnames for Ruth and Frances? Joseph Lambert

The best guess I've seen so far for the wife of John Howell (abt. 1753-1808) is Sarah Gwin, daughter of Mordecai. Mordecai's will mentions a daughter Sarah, but I have no hard proof yet. I do know that the descendants of John Howell certainly were intertwined with the descendants of Rev. James Gwin, another probable child of Mordecai. Here's what I see: Networked family relationships: A. Nelsons, Howells & Gwins all lived in the same area in NC (and later in Rutherford Co. TN area). B. Sarah Gwin is, so far, the best guess for John Howell's wife. C. John Howell & Sarah Gwin begat Nancy Howell who married Thomas Nelson about 1790. D. Thomas & Nancy had a son John b. in 1793. John had two daughters who were wives of Andrew J. Donelson (Sarah & Catherine). John had another daughter, Louisa, who married Nathaniel Perry and livedin Yazoo Co. MS. Their daughter Sarah, married Flavillus Goode in Houma, LA. Their daughter, Loulie Lea Goode, married Claiborne Alexander DuVal, who was the grandson of Alexander DuVal and Margaret Gwin (dau. of Rev. James). E. Thomas & Nancy had a daughter Sarah who married James Crichlow in Rutherford Co. TN in 1817. Their daughter Sarah married Alexander M. Gwin (son of Rev. James) in 1853 in Rutherford Co. TN. Their son Samuel Pleasant Crichlow married Annie Louise Donelson, dau. of A.J. Donelson & Catherine Nelson. Their daughter Nancy Elizabeth married John Johnston Lawing and had a son Sam Nelson Lawing who married Lizzie Donelson, dau. of A.J. Donelson & Sarah Nelson. F. There was a continuing connection between these families in TN, MS and later LA. They returned to TN for marriage or burial on occasion. G. At least one of the plantations owned & operated by John Nelson & son in law A.J. Donelson was previously owned by the New Orleans bank consortium led by (later Senator) William M. Gwin. The Nelsons tracked with the Gwins quite well: NC>TN>MS>LA. H. The Andrew Jackson connection: AJ was William M. Gwin's political sponsor, friend of father Rev. James Gwin, and uncle to John Nelson's son in law A.J. Donelson (this A.J. Donelson is not the famous one who was active in politics). Again, none of this is proof, but the families were certiainly connected in a wide number of ways. Richard Heyduck

The following was posted on the Kincaid list by Connie Hurley. Take a look at the rebels listed for County Cork.   Reward Offered 10 December 1694 Proclamation of a reward for the apprehension, dead or alive, of the following rebels, who have fled to the mountains and other places where they "stand upon their keeping" Dermot Leary, late of Iveleary in County Cork John Murphy, alias Roe, late of Tomes in County Cork John Hurly, late of Grillagh in County Cork John Leary, alias Baroole Dermot Leary, alias Baroole, late of Ivy Leary in County Cork Dermod Sullivan, alias Skeelagh, late of Bantry in County Cork Dermod Mullain, alias Thunder Donagh Deeneen, alias Bariky, late of the Parish of Clandroghid lately in County Cork Tiege MacShane Sulivan Garret Downry Murtogh MacHugh Cornelius Sulivan, alias Duff Teige Seaghbogh Teige Croneene John Croneene Tiege Crowly, alias Mague Dennis Crone Dermod Maghry Maurice Splane Tiege MacGeighy Dermot MacMaurice Hurly John Na Churig Gnogher Reagh Fumine McDonogh Sullivan Tiege Barrull John Canty Daniel Mullane Donogh Na Geehy Daniel MacPhillip Dire Murrogh MacErevan Sweeny Gnocher Doroh Donogh Doroh Murtagh MacHugh Crone John MacDermot MacCnoher Patrick Real John Real Dermot an Taskig Donogh Shehane Cornelius Murrihy Donogh MacMorto John Dina Cnoher Duff Morris Gew John na Gwinn Daniel na Ganny Tiege Oge na Ganny Tiege Sweeny Tiege mac Shane mac Aulif Fanine mac Shane Morto mac Hugh mac Morto Donoh Oge begge na Buoly Tiege Heagarty Tiege Oge Nahaly Guly mac Shane mac Guly lately in County Tipperary Edmond Knock Ryan Cornelius Ryan Mathew Higgins Thady Lonergan Richard Longan Daniel Doran Dennis Toghy Phillip Roe Ryan Richard mac Daniel Longardan Phillip Shanahan Daniel Lowre Daniel Bawn Ryan Daniel Meagher Derby Bryan William Banon James Laghard James Brenan County Kilkenny Daniel Conway, late of Kells Simon Brenan, late of Corbetstown Thomas Henessy, late of Ballyhemyn Martin Cott, late of Clongagh Derby Swedding, late of Killaloe Richard Head, late of Tofeghny Patrick Lawler, late of Knocktopher Edmond Phelan, late of Claragh Hugh Brenan, late of Bodolinore John Gorman, late of Bodolinore Queen's County Patrick Malleaghill, late of Ballinorkill of County Donegal Murragh mac Sweeny Turlagh Keith McFadin Patrick McCullin of County Cavan Bryan mac Hugh William Flanigan Hugh Groome mac Gwire Gormuck mac Hugh Phelimy Dolan John mac Gwire Patrick mac Haran Turlagh mac Gageran Patrick Murritny Edmond mac Cormick late of County Fermanagh Connor mac Gwire Edmund Cormuck Felin Dolan Keadagh mac Sharry Patrick mac Manus Philip mac Cormuck Patrick mac Gwire Owen mac Corry Patrick mac Corry James mac Gowan Cormuck mac Murray William Moraghan late of County Roscommon Keadagh mac Manus John Hanly Cahil Daffie Dermot Roe Cormuck Lavin Bryan mac Gilmartine Cahil O'Birne Daniel Kelly Laghlin Dun mac Dermot Tiege Mungan Bryan mac Casker, alias mac Elexter Farril Noran Bryan mac Gill Redmond Magrath Manus Backagho Byrne late of County Leitrim Cormuck Morey late of County Mayo Henry Waldron Jordan Grady Kedagh Phillips Manus O'Bryne John McDonnel Roger McDonnel Patrick Rory Duff Doharty Don. Shiel David McDonnogh Charles McDonnel Bryan Killehane William Kelly Thomas Grourke Roger Dogherty John Dogherty Dennis Shane Bryan Rumic late of County Louth Owen-gar mac Kevet James Roony Daniel Oge mac Inallie Patrick Murphy Hardy, William John, ed., Calender of State Papers, Domestic Series, of the Reign of William and Mary, 1694-1695, Preserved in the Public Record Office, Volume 5, (Vaduz: Kraus Reprint Ltd., 1969) First Published London: HMSO, 1906. pp. 353-354. http://www.genealogy-quest.com/collections/wandub.html More information about Irish history can be found in the book: The Great Shame: And the Triumph of the Irish in the English-Speaking World and:Modern Ireland, 1600-1972            Connie ~ * In Beautiful Western Kentucky * ~ Connie's Links Page to All Family Pages and Other's as well. http://www.angelfire.com/ky2/connie/Links.html Anyone who has got a book collection and a garden wants for nothing.    ~ ~ Marcus Tullius Cicero ~ ~

Has anyone on this list spent much time documenting Robert Gwinn Jr son of Robert Sr? Here is information I received from a descendant of Robert Guyn in Woodford/Jessamine county Kentucky. Do the dates below on Robert Guyn go against him being Robert Gwinn Jr? Is there any possibility that this Robert Gwinn is son of Patrick instead of Robert Sr? Beckie ---------------------------------------------------- Hi Beckie. The "Gwinns" in my family tree are spelled Guyn, but you know how that is! The two Robert Guyns I have in my family tree are the following: Robert Guyn b. 1734 d. January 30 1818 m. Jane Raburn b. 1744 August 10, 1822. I also have that they Settled near Green's Mill, Black's Station, near Troy KY**see more below*** (I also believe his father was named Robert Guyn). They are buried at the farm of William Rankin Guyn at Troy KY. Their Son: Robert Guyn b. October 26, 1774 in VA d. October 15, 1844 m. on January 28, 1796 Jane Black b. February 21, 1774 d. June 11, 1857 Their Son: Hugh Spears Guyn is my ancestor. I believe they (Rbt. & Jane Black) had 11 boys, 3 girls but i do not have their names in my database. I also have this note my mom wrote on the Robt. #1 page - given to her by Keith Young from a Guyn Family Study - "The Guyn family of Troy, Ky and Clover Bottom, Ky (Woodford Co. is of pioneer Stock. Robert and his wife, Jane Raburn, came from Virginia and settled near Green's Mill and assisted in the building of Black's Station or Fort near Troy. They had several children, most of whom were girls, of whom we know little, but three sons (Samuel, Moses, and Robert) came to KY with them." Mom has also noted that some of the girls names were Isabelle, Sally, Betsy, Jane, Polly, Susannah, Rosenne, Margaret, and Patsy. Hope this helps! Ila

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I have a copy of the U. S. House of Representatives, their offices and staff as of The Spring Edition, 1999. KENTUCKY, 1st District, Representative Ed Whitfield 236 Cannon House Office Building Washington, D. C. 20515-1701 (202)225-3115 District Offices: Henderson - Room 307, Municipal Building, Henderson, Ky. 42420 (502)826-4180 Hopkinsville -First Floor, 317 West Ninth Street, Hopkinsville, Ky 42240 (502) 885-8079 Paducah - Room 104, 100 Fountain Ave., Paducah, Ky 42001 (502) 442-6901 Thompkinsville - Monroe County Courthouse, Tompkinsville, Ky 42167 (502) 487-9509 If this isn't the correct Congressional District, someone in one of these office should be able to refer you to the proper office. They should also take notice that there is a threat of public records being destroyed and investigate this, or turn it over to the proper sources to do so. Hope this helps! Sonya Neal Murphree [email protected]

Ron and Listers, It could be that the original Robert Guyn and Robert Gwinn Jr are one in the same. All other possibilites must be ruled out though. From the book you quoted one also lists Robert Guyn as being from Ireland (Joel W Guyn) the others just state Virginia (for those who don't know these histories can be found online). There must be a connection to the Black's more than Robert Guyn Jr's marriage. I put a url up with the interview's page one on. The second page doesn't have much, it just ends the story. http://home.att.net/~nodwar/doc100.html It takes a while to load. I am out of extra paper copies of this at the moment. The others I had made are already in the mail. It will be a couple dollars each for me to get paper copies of these. I copy them onto a 11 x 17 paper so the words are as large as possible. Putting this directly onto disk from the film are possible as well but that machine's program was acting up when I found this. Beckie

Beckie-- I would like a copy of the interview please. The History of Woodford County, Kentucky by William E. Railey (I don't have the original date of publication but I believe it was from the early 1900s) mentions a Guyn family of Troy and Clover Bottom, Kentucky. This book says that the founder of this family was a Robert Guyn who came from Virginia and settled near Green's Mill. This Robert assisted in the building of Black's Fort near Troy, Kentucky. This Robert's father was also a Robert Guyn of Virginia, but that the maiden name of his (that is, Robert Jr.'s) mother and wife are "not known by the present generation." The History says that Robert Guyn, Jr. had mostly girls but also had 3 sons--Robert (the third) born in Virginia in 1774; Samuel and Moses. Robert Guyn, III, married Jane Black and died in Woodford County in 1844. Robert Guyn, III, had the following children: Robert (IV), James, John, Hugh, Andrew, Moses, William, Thomas, Harvey, Rankin, Samuel R., Jane, and Hannah. All of this information is taken from pages 80-81 of the History of Woodford County. It also says that the family name was spelled GWINN in the 1810 census. Do you think that this might be the same family? Concerning the William Preston receipt book, this was a notebook that William Preston would have carried with him to record his business transactions. Therefore, when Robert Gwin, Jr. performed the 8 days work at Fort Amherst, William Preston paid Robert Gwin, Sr. 8 shillings in full for the labor performed and recorded it in his receipt book. Robert signed the receipt "by mark" indicating that payment was made. I assume Robert, Sr. was paid because Robert, Jr. was still a minor. Note that Robert signs his name "by mark". In this case, his mark was a large, somewhat spidery "R." If anyone wants to see what this looks like, I have it on my website at http://members.aol.com/rcgwinn/home.htm The real mystery here is--where was Fort Amherst? Does anyone know? The only Fort Amherst that I know of was in Canada (named after Lord Jeffrey Amherst). Surely, this could not be it. My guess is that it is one of the local Augusta forts that was under construction to guard the frontier. If it is one of these forts, it was probably given another name after completion of the construction. Best wishes! Ron Gwinn

Hi, Beckie, I would love to see this interview, because two of Patrick Gwin's son's also went to KY. Thanks, Cindy Hartman > Subject: Robert Gwynn of Augusta county VA to KY > Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:18:47 -0600 > From: Beckie <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > I found an original copy of this from the Draper Manuscript collection > on Robert Gwynn of Jassamine county Kentucky. One now deceased > researcher had claimed this piece of information would prove that Robert > Gwinn Jr son of Robert Sr of Augusta county VA was the one who was in > Kentucky very early on. > In an interview with Robert Gwynn of Jassamine (KY) it states he came > to Kentucky from Augusta county Virginia. His father came as well, along > with a David Kincaid (he left Ky when the game became scarse and went > along with Boone (Daniel) to Missouri (among other places). To me all it > proves is that this Robert Gwynn came from Augusta Virginia to Ky in > 1784 and his father returned back to "Calf Pasture" at some point in > time. Not where he fits into the family tree. > This Robert Gwynn was interviewed about 1848 so he can't be Robert Jr > if he died in 1818. It is possible this is the son of Robert Jr? Any > Kentucky Gwinn descendancts needing a copy of this interview just email > me. > Any thoughts on Robert Jr would be appreciated. I did also find a page > among the Preston papers that "Received of Wm Preston eight shillings in > full for ? days work at Fort amherst of my son Robert Jun. full of all > amounts before this 22nd Nov 1759." Don't understand what it is at the > moment. > > Beckie >

If he will not give them to you or the local library then put a letter in the newspaper and let him know that this is what you will do and to keep his name out of the paper he may just give them to you. Also contact the local and state offices. Virginia

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 1:42 AM To: [email protected] Subject: WHITLEY CO., KY COUNTY CLERK To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 4:25 PM Subject: [CRR] Whitley Clerk to destroy records I just visited the County Clerks office in Whitley County where he informed me that he is going to destroy 4 Bond Settlement Guardian Books from 1800's - 1920's. They are from the circuit court. He also informed me that he is not obligated to carry the marriage certificate books and he could destroy those if he wanted. I asked if they had been microfilmed and they have not. I don't know what to do. Does anybody have any suggestions? The Whitley County Genweb page was not far off in their comments regarding the County Clerk office. Karen ~~~~~ Karen, the only thing I know you could do is to contact the State Rep for that district requesting that the local genealogy society or interested persons receive the "books" that are to be thrown out. Why would they care who had them if they are only going to destroy them (probably meaning that they will throw them out with the garbage)? Although some people seem to delight in destroying rather than preserving. Do you live in the area? How about a petition? When is our government (local, state and national) going to realize that the people want our heritage preserved? We, as a nation, preserve relevant historical documents and sometimes not so relevant. State and local government needs to get with the program. If you need others to help with writing letters to anyone, let us know. I am sure that the people on this list would help with a writing campaign and probably a few other lists as well. A lot of our ancestors came from Whitley County and I don't feel like giving up that information. Linda ~~~~ Goodness! This is alarming news. It sounds like a taunt, but what sort of public employee would say such things? Are his bosses (the public and the county commissioners) aware of his threat to public records? Perhaps they should be made aware. If I had the telephone numbers of the commissioners, I would certainly give one or two of them a call and report on the Whitley County Clerk. Has he threatened such things in the past? Is it not his job to preserve public records and provide access to them? Can the list provide a history of the clerk's statements and activities which might be a basis for a public move to protect the records? Kathie ~~~~ [email protected] The Whitley County Clerk must be some kind of NUT. The world is full of people like him who want to deny the world history from the past. Surely the county can put them somewhere for safe keeping. Les ~~~~~~ Contact the LDS Church to make arrangements to have them microfilmed. They will then be preserved for all of us to use. Bruce ~~~~~ : [email protected] I found the email address for the local newspaper in Whitley county Kentucky. Maybe if we emailed them they could put a stop to them destroying the records and make everyone in their community aware of what is going on. Their e-mail address is [email protected] If anyone has the addresses or phone numbers of the local government I would appreciate it. I cannot find them yet. Thank you for all your suggestions. I have visited the Knox and Laurel County Clerks offices and they were wonderful people. I will not go into all of what he said, but it was quite disturbing. Again thank you all, and maybe we can get that County Clerk to think twice about destroying our families histories. Karen ~~~~~ [email protected] Karen, I have forward your original alert to the KY state librarian and also the one in charge of the records division. I found their names and email addresses by doing a search (via google.com) for Kentucky State Library. The more people they hear from the better. Can someone find the names and email addresses of the representative and senator for the area? You said the ones at the Knox and Laurel County Clerks offices were very helpful. Would they have any suggestions as to how to prevent the destruction? Off to write the newspaper. -Judy ~~~~~ [email protected] Leslie, You made a very important point! We should seek the transfer of the records rather than the prevention of destruction. -Judy (Kansas City, MO)

I found an original copy of this from the Draper Manuscript collection on Robert Gwynn of Jassamine county Kentucky. One now deceased researcher had claimed this piece of information would prove that Robert Gwinn Jr son of Robert Sr of Augusta county VA was the one who was in Kentucky very early on. In an interview with Robert Gwynn of Jassamine (KY) it states he came to Kentucky from Augusta county Virginia. His father came as well, along with a David Kincaid (he left Ky when the game became scarse and went along with Boone (Daniel) to Missouri (among other places). To me all it proves is that this Robert Gwynn came from Augusta Virginia to Ky in 1784 and his father returned back to "Calf Pasture" at some point in time. Not where he fits into the family tree. This Robert Gwynn was interviewed about 1848 so he can't be Robert Jr if he died in 1818. It is possible this is the son of Robert Jr? Any Kentucky Gwinn descendancts needing a copy of this interview just email me. Any thoughts on Robert Jr would be appreciated. I did also find a page among the Preston papers that "Received of Wm Preston eight shillings in full for ? days work at Fort amherst of my son Robert Jun. full of all amounts before this 22nd Nov 1759." Don't understand what it is at the moment. Beckie