Group, One of the main reasons I'm pushing for the y-dna test is the ease with which a line or a sub-branch can die out. One of the important branches of my Guthrie line has only one male descendant left that can be identified. That line had been "proven" using a paper trail. Recently the last male descendant had a y-dna test done. Guess what? He is not a descendant of our supposed common ancestor! That means either the paper work is wrong, or there was a false paternity or unannounced adoption somewhere along the line. Unfortunetly there is no other male of that line to be tested, so we'll probably never know which it is. If the y-dna test would have come along 10 years ago, there would have been several possible donors. It's never going to be easier to find a suitable donor, and may become impossible over time. Again without being too overbearing, I strongly urge each of you to find a living Guthrie male and get them to agree to donate y-dna for the test. Even if you have to pay yourself. For archival purposes the 12 marker test will do. About $100.00. Larry Larry Guthrie yrralguthrie@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com