This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/IBh.2ACIB/1223.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I do not have much information on Daniel Guthrie. This is what I have: he was born about 1692 in Scotland and died abt 1753. He married Mary Little about 1720. I have 3 sons listed for him, Charles Guthrie, Daniel Guthrie, jr and Solomon. Of these the only one I have documented is Daniel, Jr. His son Charles apparently ran off and left his wife and children and possibly was in trouble with the law. I'm not quite sure on that part. John WesleyGuthrie's father could not have landed in this area in the 1700's but his grandfather could have. I do not have parents for John Wesley Guthire so I have no way to check. Sorry it took so long to answer but we had a small problem called Charley over the weekend.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/IBh.2ACIB/1223.1.1.1.1.2.2 Message Board Post: I have a Henry Guthrie born 10 Dec 1754 in Hanover Co. VA. His father was William Guthrie and his mother was Eleaner Abbott. Henry was the oldest of 11 children. I have his wife as Nancy Shackleford but I have no documenation. Apparently the family came to North Carolina from VA and then moved to Kentucky. I hope this will help.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/IBh.2ACIB/743.1.1.2.1.2 Message Board Post: Ellen, In the 1850 (page 210) census Stephen Guthrie is listed as living with Rebecca both age 54 also in the household are Elizabeth age 40. Banister age 22, Mary age 21 and John age 18. Stephen and Betsey Sullivan had one child named Elizabeth, I believe that the Stephen that married Betsey Sulivan was the same one that married Rebecca Wade. In the marriage bonds book by Ethel Elliott on page 55 a Stephen Guthrie, Sr. is listed as marriyng Cassey Sillivan in 1826. I believe that this is a completely different Stephen with a son named after him, thus the Sr. In the 1790 Census Stephen Guthrie is listed as having 3 females, 1 male under age 16 and one male over 16. He is living next door to Samuel Guthrie who is living next door to Levi Guthrie. That is the only Stephen Guthrie listed in the 1790 census. He apparently had 2 daughters and only 1 son in 1790.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/IBh.2ACIB/743.1.1.2.1.1 Message Board Post: We know that Samuel had a son named Stephen and we know the Stephen that married Betsey Sulliven and Cassandra is not the son of Samuel. If the other Stephen that married Rebecca Wade is not the son of Samuel I don't know who he is, unless like you suggested he is the same Stephen that married Betsey and Cassandra. If that is the case he would have been about 50 when he married Rebecca Wade. I am going to have to do some more research. I am also trying to find a connection between Marmaduke Royal and his heir Edmond Guthrie and find the parents of Edmond. It was in the will of Marmaduke Royal. I am going to have to go to the court house asap.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/IBh.2ACIB/743.1.1.2.1 Message Board Post: As I said in my last posting. The Stephen Guthrie that you say was b. 1796 and married Rebecca Wade can NOT be the son of Samuel since we have proof that Samuel's son Stephen was b ca 1764 and was already married and living in his own home 7 years before the other Stephen was born. Stephen b. 1796 who married Rebecca may have been Samuel Guthrie's grandson. Or do you think he is the same as the Stephen that married Betsy Sullivan and Cassy Sullivan and was married three times? Betsy Sullivan in 1807, Rebecca in 1814 and Cassey in 1826?? The birth date is right. If not, who was he? The Stephen that was b. 1796?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Guthrie Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/IBh.2ACIB/743.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: You are right. The deed does show that they were the sons of Abner and that was what I meant to say. I should have put the P> after Abner when I said that. "The following deed shows that both Abner and wife Esther were deceased by 1860 and proves names of Abner P.'s brothers." The will that you referred to as Book 2, pg 254 & 255, is a deed and is recorded in Book L, pg 254-255. Perhaps you didn't notice the date on this deed. It is dated Nov. 6, 1789, so this Stephen can't be the one you say was born in 1796. This was seven years before that Stephen was born and in this deed Samuel refers to the land where Stephen now resides. Since Stephen is already married and living in his own home it is assumed that he would be at least 25 years of age, which should make his birth date about 1764. So you can see that we are talking about two different Stephens. This is an example of how important it is to note the dates and time periods.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/IBh.2ACIB/743.1.1.2 Message Board Post: Ellen, I have the Stephen Guthrie that married Rebecca Wade as the son of Samuel Guthrie. I do not have the parents for the Stephen that Married Betsey Sullivan and Cassandra Sullivan.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/IBh.2ACIB/743.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Ellen,I have the sirth date for Stephen Guthrie son of Samuel as 1796. There were two Stephen Guthrie's in that time frame. In the will dated Feb 22, 1880: Abner P. Guthrie, Joseph R. Guthrie, William H. Guthrie to James Johnston, all our right and title in land on North Side of Straits, E. side of Davis Creek, which fell to us by the death of our mother Esther Guthrie. Abner, Joseph and William were children of Abner and Esther Royal Guthrie NOT brothers of Abner. The deed I was referring to is in Deed Book 2 pages 254 & 255 state; for the love and affection I have for my son Stephen, also after the death of his mother Sarah he is to have the house and remaing 25 acres. I have been very carefull to make certain the information I have is correct as that is my direct line. How can you document Stephen as Abner's brother? Many people that I have talked to, contacted etc have said that Abner's father was Stephen but according to the dates I have on both Stephen's of that time frame neither could possible be the father of Abner. I really would like to find out the truth. Esther Royal Guthre (sometimes called Easter) was born abt 1798, married Abner Guthrie 12 May 1818 and was dead before 1860. I think some people just guess at their information.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: GUTHRIE Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/IBh.2ACIB/743.1.1 Message Board Post: Caroline you are absolutely correct in saying that, Stephen Guthrie that married Betsy Sullivan in 1807 and Cassandra Sullivan in 1826 is NOT the father of Abner Guthrie b. abt 1790. He was in fact Abner’s brother. And he died in 1859. Cart. Co. Court Records: Sarah Yeomans an orphan girl bound to Stephen Guthrie Deed Bk. - BB - pg 375 16th Feb. 1857 "A WILL" Recorded 28th April 1859 STEPHEN GUTHRIE for love I have for my loving wife CASSA GUTHRIE and children. First I give to my wife CASSA one bed stead and furniture, one boefat, and all my crockery and kitchen furniture that belongs to the house, also one big wheel and cards. I give to my son ELZA GUTHRIE my canoe and one half of a big marsh net. I give to my youngest daughter EASTER GUTHRIE my dwelling house and crib where I now live. I also give to my daughter EASTER GUTHRIE, after the death of my wife CASSA one bed stead and furniture. I give to my grand daughter MARY GUTHRIE, one bed and pillow. Their father was Stephen Guthrie b. about 1764. son of Samuel Guthrie. 1798 Stephen was listed as a juryman at Cart. Co. Court. Deed Bk T- pg 91 - Carteret County 13th July 1822 proves William to be son of Stephen Guthrie. and Stephen Guthrie the son of Samuel. WILLIAM GUTHRIE to Cromwell Handcock, Jr., for sixteen dollars and twelve and a half cents, ten and three quarters acres on the West side of the road opposite Jarrett's Bay. Being part of the 97 acres to SAMUEL GUTHRIE by COLONEL JOSEPH FULFORD IN 1774 which was deeded as a gift from SAMUEL GUTHRIE to his son STEPHEN GUTHRIE, father of aforesaid WILLIAM GUTHRIE. I also agree with you about Abner being dead by 1850 and his wife Esther was deceased by 1860. The following deed shows that both Abner and wife Esther were deceased by 1860 and proves names of Abner’s brothers. Carteret County Deed BK DD pg 605, dated Feb 22, 1860 ABNER P. GUTHRIE, JOSEPH R. GUTHRIE, WILLIAM H. GUTHRIE to James Johnston, all our right and title in land on North Side of Straits, E. side of Davis Creek, which fell to us by the death of our mother ESTHER GUTHRIE. It can be very confusing since the same names were used in almost every generation. The dates and time periods are very important if determining the generations. You referred to a will for Samuel Guthrie. I have not found a will for Samuel Guthrie, where is it located.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/IBh.2ACIB/1247 Message Board Post: I'm looking for any information about Frankin Co Va Guthries. I have info on the the John Henry Guthrie line. His father is Bluford Guthrie born 1806 and died in 1873 and married to Francis Snider. After this its a dead end so far. Thanks for the help. Tom

Does anyone know if Frederick Guthrie, ca 1763-1849, of the Spartenburg Co., SC. area belongs to any of the family units that you have been talking about? He seems to have come there from Edgecomb Co., NC. My lineage is a Joseph Guthrie that was a nephew of Frederick's.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: GUTHRIE Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/IBh.2ACIB/1223.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Fred, I was just passing along some information I recalled seeing on the SC Guthries when I was trying to trace Guthries who had migrated from Halifax Co., VA. and Person Co., NC to SC. I remember finding the Guthries in and about Abbeville who were not related to the migratory Guthries I mentioned. There was some information available about this line having gone to the upstate from a Charleston portage. These folks would appear to be your line. I have no link to these people nor do I have any information that I can send to you. It is certainly a strong and logical progression for your line to have gone from Abbeville to Elbert Co., GA. Strange as it may seem, I actually worked in Abbeville, SC in the early 1970s and had employees under my supervision that lived in Elbert Co., GA. and commuted to work in Abbeville. It is very close geographically. I think you need to establish the Abbeville to Charleston tie and you will have your Guthrie history in this country. Happy hunting!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/IBh.2ACIB/1223.1.1.1.1.2.1.1 Message Board Post: Notice you mention Charleston in your message. The following is what I know about my great-great-great-great-grandfather Robert Guttery (Guthrie). He is supposed to have been born in Charlston, South Carolina in 1752. Any chance he is connected to your Guthrie's? Thank you Fred Norton ============================================ (Fred’s Ancestor) NAME…………………………ROBERT GUTTERY BORN…………………………ABOUT 1752 BIRTHPLACE………………..CHARLESTON, SOUTH CAROLINA DIED………………………….1799 PLACE OF DEATH…………ELBERT COUNTY, GEORGIA FATHER………………………UNKNOWN MOTHER (MAIDEN NAME)…UNKNOWN WIFE…………………………ELIZABETH “BETSY” JOHNSTON MARRIAGE DATE………….ABOUT 1777 PLACE OF MARRIAGE……SOUTH CAROLINA CHILDREN………………* WILLIAM GUTTERY, b. JANUARY, 1778, SOUTH CAROLINA ……………………………….JOHN GUTTERY, b. 1791 ……………………………….THOMAS GUTTERY, b. 1780 ……………………………….LEROY “LEE” GUTTERY, b. 1785 ……………………………….MARY “MOLLEY” GUTTERY , b. 1787, SOUTH CAROLINA ……………………………….BETSY GUTTERY , b. 1789, SOUTH CAROLINA ……………………………….NELLEY GUTTERY Information known as of March 16, 2004 REMARKS: From Floyd Guthrie of Alabama 1. Robert GUTTERY. Born About 1752 in S. C. Died 1799 in Elbert Co., Ga. Occupation Farmer. Robert moved to Elbert Co., Ga about 1785 1st paper work on him is on 11 Aug 1792 where he bought land from Austin Webb. Robert's will was wrote 20 Apr 1797 and was recorded in Ordianry's Record 1791-1803 section B page 72, Elbert Co., Ga. on 12 Sep 1799. His inventory was recorded on 17 Apr 1799 and was settled 7 Feb 1801 Research: "Guthrie and Allied Familes" by Mrs McQueen Guthrie Elbert Co., Ga Wllls 1791-1803 Book B page 72 He married Elizabeth "Betsy" JOHNSTON, daughter of William JOHNSTON & Sarah (JOHNSTON), Circa 1777 in SC. Born About 1756 in SC. Died 1825 in Hall Co., Ga. Occupation Home Maker. Religion Pri. Baptist. She was a charter member of the Holly Springs Pri. Baptist Church in Elbert Co., Ga. founded 6 Feb 1796. It was formed on 3 Jan 1795 as a arm of the Dove Creek Church. On 23 Feb 1801 she sold some land to William Mauge and on 16 Feb 1801 sold land to Charles Henry. In 1821 she won land lottery in Monroe Co., Ga. Her will was filed 7 Mar 1825 in Hall Co., Ga and settled 4 Jun 1834 in Hall Co., Ga They had the following children: 2 i. William GUTTERY 3 ii. John GUTTERY 4 iii. Thomas GUTTERY 5 iv. LeRoy "Lee" GUTTERY 6 v. Mary "Molley" GUTTERY 7 vi. Betsy GUTTERY 8 vii. Nelly GUTTERY He appears to be enumerated in the 1790 South Carolina census, Abbeville County, Image 18. Hi Fred- Was reading some of your Ancestry.com messages and source data provided. It showed (possibly from notes of Floyd Guthrie) that first papers in Elbert Co. GA for Robert was Aug 1792. Here's some additional info from a Colquitt cousin: Troy Colquitt owns a farm in Elbert Co. GA and was researching it's history. He found a July 1810 deed from a Nathaniel Booth to Robert Booth (land up Broad River northwest of Hwy 72 between Elbert Co. and Madison Co. GA). Part of the deed reads "Contains 150 acres with the mill and plantation included and being part of the same tract or parcel of land granted to ROBERT GUTHREY by his excellency , Samuel Elbert then governor of the state, the 4th day of February, one thousand seven hundred and eighty five." This supports that Robert moved to Elbert Co. GA by 1785. Per Troy- This property is about 10 miles from the land that Beverly GUTHREY owned in Oglethorpe Co. GA . My big interest is Beverly Guthrey whom I believe might have some relation to the Robert Guthrie.Beverly was born 1755-1774 probably VA and m. Sarah Colquitt in Cumberland Co. VA 17 Dec 1793 (I have marriage record). It appears Beverly moved to Cumberland Co. GA by 1797 based on some deeds. (I actually have 2 Guthrie lines but only believe this one may link to Robert because of timing/geographic proximity.) Any info on possible connection of Robert and Beverly Guthrie appreciated. Pat Guthrie Gilbert Burial: Unknown Holly Springs Church Cemetery - GA Will: 12 Sep 1799 Will Was Proven On This Date. Land Purchase: 11 Aug 1792 Bought 100 Acres From Austin Webb Individual: Robert may have been from an old Charleston, S.C. Family. (Source: Dombhart's History of Walker County) Robert moved to Elbert Co., GA about 1785. Robert's will was written on April 20, 1797 and was recorded in Ordinary's Record 1791-1803 Section B, Page 72, Elbert Co., GA. on September 12, 1799. His inventory was recorded on April 17, 1799 and was settled on February 7, 1801. The Church Cemetery is situated in the extreme Northwestern portion of Elbert County, about two and one half miles north from Bowman, and only a few hundred yards from the line separating Elbert from Hart County. Part of the Cemetery lies in Hart County. (Source: Historical Collections of Georgia D.A.R. (Vol. III p. 157) * Robert Guthrie and wife Betsy, folio 103 deed bood A. Elbert County, GA., to Austin Webb 100 acres on Broad River, agreeable to a grant signed 1785 (August 11, 1792) (p. 184) * Elizabeth Saylors, folio 99, to Robert Guttery 33 acres on Broad River originally a grant to said Elizabeth Saylors in 1785. (p.192) * Robert Guttery and wife Betsy, folio 116 Elbert County, GA., to Charles Boddingfield of Wilkes County 233 acres on Broad River, originally a grant to said Guttery in 1785. (May 22, 1794) (p. 199) * Austin Webb, folio 44, to William Whaley, part of the original grant in 1785 to Robert Guttery on Broad River, October 23, 1795. Absolom Stenchomb and Robert McDowell test. (p. 145) September 12, 1799, Betty Guttery and James Ryley executors, of Robert Guttery, deceased. (p. 222) Robert Guthrie old warrant 400 acres, Headrights and bounty warrants. Were issued during the Revolutionary War, by executive council, and grants were signed by the Govenor laid off into Military sections and ruled over by a Justice of the Peace. Robert Guthrie or Guttery had received more grants than one. The usual amount of land given to a soldier was 287 1/2 acres and that was for an officer. Will of Robert Guthree Elbert County, GA April 12, 1797 In the Name of God Amen: "I, Robert Guthree, of the state of Georgia and county of Elbert, bein sorely afflicted, but of perfect mind and memory, thanks be given unto God. Calling to mind the mortality of my body and knowing that it is appointed for all men once to die, do make and ordain in this my last will and testament. That is to say principally and first of all, i give and reccomend my soul into the hands of Almighty God that gave it and my body I reccomend to the Earth to be buried in decent Christian burial at the discretion of executors, nothing doubting but I shall receive the same again at the general Resurrection by the Mighty Power of God. And as touching such worldly estate where with it hath pleased God to bless me with. I give devise and dispose of the same in the following manner and form: First I give and bequeath to my dearly beloved wife, Betty, all my estate lands, mill, Negro man Mark, stock of every kind and household furniture, as long as she shall live and to be at her disposal at her death. Whom I constitute my executrix and James Ryley executor of this my last will and testament. Also I give and leave to every one of my children one dollar each to William, Thomas, Leroy, Molly, Betsy and John and Nelly Reives to be raised out of my estate at my death and paid to each of them, rattifying and confirming this and no other to be my last will and testament." In witness whereof, I have unto set my hand and seal this twelfth day of April one thousand seven hundred and ninety seven. Robe

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/IBh.2ACIB/743.1 Message Board Post: The Stephen Guthrie that married Betsey Sulliven in 1807 and Cassandra Sulliven in 1826 is NOT the father of Abner Guthrie who was born abt 1790 and married Esther Royal in 1818. Setphen could not have been old enough to be anyone's father in 1790. Abner does not appear in any census as head of household until 1820. He passed away before 1850 as his son William Henry Guthrie had his mother Esther age 60 living with him in the 1850 Federal Census of Carteret County, NC Samuel Guthrie and Sarah Williston did have a son Stephen born abt 1796 whis was verified by Samuel's will. This Stephen married Rebecca Wade. To the best of my knowledge Sarah Williston was born at Core Sound are of Carteret County, NC and Samuel Guthrie was born on Shackleford Banks, NC Abner was my ggggrandfathe and I got the information from veryreliable sources.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: GUTHRIE Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/IBh.2ACIB/1223.1.1.2 Message Board Post: I have to agree with James Guthrie on this subject. You must realize that the articles in the Carteret County Heritage Books are not the results of research of the Historical Society. They are articles written by individual people and a many times just stories passed down by family members, the individual's personal conclusions or family lure. Unless the information refers to documented proof, the articles should only be used as a guideline for research and not as proof. The story of brothers getting off the ships in different locations on the NC coast has been told of almost every surname in the area. They were either "shipwrecked and came ashore in different places or got off the ship at different places." This seems to be the best way to connect the families without further research. Always check the dates and use common sense when tracing your ancestors.

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