I thought some of you might be interested in the following: The Fight at Finnesburg (Finn's Citadel) Better known as 'The Fragment', what follows is a translation of all that is left of an (apparently) 5th century anglo-saxon lay that describes a saxon hero, Hengest. This may very well be the same Hengest who led the first Germanic invasion of Britain, and if so probably did so shortly after the events described below. You may be interested to note that this particular translation was made by the infamous Oxford scholar, J.R.R. Tolkein. Hnæf spoke, the warlike young king: "Neither is this the dawn from the east, nor is a dragon flying here, nor are the gables of this hall aflame; nay, mortal enemies approach in ready armour. Birds are crying, wolf is yelping; spear clashes, shield answers shaft. Now that this moon shines, wandering behind the clouds, woeful deeds are beginning, that will bring to a bitter end this well-known enmity in the people. Awaken now, my warriors! Grasp your coats of mail, think of deeds of valour, bear yourselves proudly, be resolute!" When many a valiant retainer decked in gold rose and buckled on his sword, to the doorway went the noble warriors Sigeferth and Eaha, drawing their swords, and at the other doorway were Ordlaf and Guthlaf; and Hengest himself was at their heels. Still Guthere was exhorting Garulf that in his armour he should not risk so precious a life in the first attack on the hall-door, now that a hardy warrior was ready to take it away; but openly the valiant hero cried above the clamour, asking who was holding that door. "My name is Sigefirth," said he, "I am a prince of the Secgan, a well-known adventurer; many old woes and bitter battles have I experienced; and here there is appointed for you whatever fate you wish to seek from me." Return to Comyn's Book of Song Larry Guthrie admin

Those of you who are descendants of this Nathaniel might look at the following. William son of William From a book called The Wills of Amhurst County, Virginia 1761-1865. Reference to Amhurst Court Records Book 7, page 145, guardian bonds. This reference shows William Guthrie married to Elizabeth with children Lucy, Nathan, Susan, Sarah, Laurence, Oliver, and Elizabeth. From Marriage Records Amhurst Co. Virginia 1763-1800 and other sources, the following two marriages. Nathaniel Guthry(bachelor) and Nancy Johns(spinster), February 7, 1790. John H. Goodwin surety. Consent of her mother Mary Johns. William Guthry and Elizabeth Wingfield m. January 26, 1797, John Wingfield surety. From Court Records of Augusta County, Virginia Deed Book No. 27 page 45--delivered to Jno. Guthrey son of William, 1 Dec 1790. Teste: William Orr From a book F232 AM2 S974 the following two marriages. Stephen Robinson(bachelor) and Judith Guttery (spinster), m. July 11, 1789, Nathaniel Guttery, surety. Consent of her father William Guttry. William Wilborn(bachelor), and Eda Guttry(spinster) April 2, 1787. Benjamin Miln, surety. Consent of his father, William Wilborn. Consent of her father, Williamÿ Guttry. From the above and other sources I believe the following probable. A1 William Guthrie B1 Judith Guthrie m. Stephen Robinson on July 11, 1789 B2 Eda Guthrie m. B3 Nathaniel Guthrie m. Nancy Jane Johns on February 7, 1790 B4 John Guthrie B5 William Guthrie married Elizabeth Wingfield C1 Lucy C2 Nathan C3 Susan C4 Sarah C5 Laurence C6 Oliver C7 Elizabeth Furthermore I believe that William Guthrie (A1) is probably the son of William and Frances Welborn Guthrie of Middlesex Co., VA. Dissent welcome! Larry lguthrie@brightok.net

Group, Remember that NARA contains many records that may be of benefit to genealogists. http://arcweb.archives.gov/arc/basic_search.jsp For instance some of the Guthrie's in Arkansas may be found in the Records. Some criminal court records and some making application for recognition as a member of an Indian tribe. Two that I remember are Fountain Guthrie and William (Bud) Guthrie. Larry lguthrie@brightok.net

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/IBh.2ACIB/165.312 Message Board Post: do you have any information on dave kincannon my great grandfather was a dave kincannon married to flors ross first time had children named paul,lonnie,elsie,lorene and some i dont know would love to find out more dave born in tenn.died in 1950 maybe ark,mo janithkd@prodigy.net

Some time ago there was a note on this list concerning Charles Guthrie. I do not know whether it was referring to the Charles Guthrie of Cartaret Co., NC, or the Charles Guthrie of Halifax Co., VA. or the Charles Gutry of the 1790 Surry Co., NC census. This note hinted that Charles might have been a bit of a scoundrel but it did not go into details. I would love to hear more on this story and which Charles it referred to. If it is not appropriate for a list please send it to me privately. Thanks, Judy Guthrie Warren

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/IBh.2ACIB/729.734.735.736.1.2 Message Board Post: My Mother's maiden name is Mary Alice Vandervort. Any relationship??

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: GUTHRIE SMITH WHITE Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/IBh.2ACIB/1303 Message Board Post: ONE GENERATION: Thomas Howard GUTHRIE b.20 Nov 1917 Hornell,Steuben,NY d.21 Nov 1989 Hornell, Steuben,NY m.Bertha Lucile SMITH b. 23 Mar 1915 Wellsville, NY d. 5 Apr 2004 Hornell, Steuben, NY TWO GENERATION: Thomas Francis GUTHRIE b.1894 Coudersport, PA m. Margaret Waugh CLARK b. abt. 1896 Hornell, Steuben,NY THREE GENERATION: Thomas Frank(Francis)GUTHRIE b. 1964 USA m. Edith Lilly WHITE b. USA

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/IBh.2ACIB/576.606.617.623.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi, My mother's family is also from Nashvill, Georgia. I believe that my great-grandfather was the county commisioner at one time. I know there is a lot of Guthries there, and I have also been told of the Guthrie cemetery. I know one of my moms uncles was named Roy Guthrie, not really sure of any of the other names, because when my grandmother married my grandfather she was kinda ousted from the family due to the fact that my grandfather had been married before.I would be very interested in any information that you could give me about the Nashville, Georgia Guthries. Thank you, Karen Denise

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Guthrie Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/IBh.2ACIB/1302 Message Board Post: I have pictures from Connellsville area-John W born about1880, died May 23, 1900 and Elizabeth, born circa 1881, died July 22, 1906 . These two are buried with similar tombstones and are side-by-side, but not in our line that I can find. Pictures free to whoever they belong!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: GUTHRIE Classification: Cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/IBh.2ACIB/1301 Message Board Post: GUTHRIE_Bertha_May_1889-1928.JPG I photographed this gravestone in the Mount Olivet Cemetery - David Crockett Section, Fort Worth, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use the picture for your personal records. This is one of the 111,318 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/IBh.2ACIB/1161.1.1.2 Message Board Post: john married hahna muray. moved from ohio to clearwater, mn albion township. please inform me of any more news with my e mail address as i just stumbbled on this note. i am sorry. craig

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/IBh.2ACIB/1300 Message Board Post: LOOKING FOR INFO ON ARTHUR W. GUTHRIE BORN 1885 N.C. DIED IN S.C. PARENTS WERE THOMAS AND AMANDA GOWAN GUTHRIE. MARRIED FIRST TEXAS SAMS IN N.C. SECOND WIFE WAS ELEANOR. IF ANYONE CAN HELP PLEASE E-MAIL ME. THANK YOU DONNY GRIFFIN

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Guthrie/Corn Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/IBh.2ACIB/1299 Message Board Post: I am looking on any information on Annie Guthrie b. Abt. 1830 who married Jessie Corn. They had at least two daughters: Emma and Amanda. The Corns were from NC. If anyone has information about them please contact me. Thanks, Pam

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Guthrie Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/IBh.2ACIB/1298 Message Board Post: I have a picture oif a tombstone with the name of MAUD Guthrie born April 21, 1873 and died Sept. 27,1946. I have found no connection in my husbands family. Respond if interested in Maud

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/IBh.2ACIB/823.836.1.1 Message Board Post: Evidenty Guian S. Guthrie died in the Civil War: GUTHRIE, G.S., Surgeon; died at Huntsville, Ala. See http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohmeigs/civil_war/civ_war_dead.html

OBITUARY.......... Dalgo Burton Myers,82, of New Hartford, died Tuesday,Feb 22, 2005, at St. Josephs Hosp.in St.Charles. Funeral services were at 11 a.m. Friday at Kirks Funeral Chapel in Bowling Green.The Rev. Donald Amelung officiated. Burial, with military services, was at Siloam Cemetary in New Hartford with MIlitary seervice performed by VFW Post 5593. Mr. Myers was born July 4, 1922 in Farmer, to Ira and Georgia Rector Myers. He was married to Inez Green on April 21, 1951. She survives. Other survivors include four children: Jane Wiysel of Louisiana, Kenneth Myers of New Hartford, Catherine Flock of New Hartford, and Leslie Myers of Bowling Green. He was preceded in death by 11 brothers and sisters.....Otis Myers, Herman Myers, Fred Myers, Barnett Myers, Leslie Myers, Leroy Myers, Edwin Myers, Genevieve(Myers) Thomason, Mary (Myers) Weber, Billy Wayne Myers, and baby infant. He served three years in the Army in the infantry division "Big Red One". Mr. Myers served in North Africa, Omaha Beach, Germany, The Battle of the Bulge, and was wounded three times. Later he farmed until retirement and was a member of over 50 years at Curryville of the Masonic Lodge # 399 before transferring to Lodge # 491 in Vandalia. Pallbearers were Harry Cox, Jerry Cox, Grant Gardner, Ed McGeorge,Chuck Buchmeier, Johnny Benninegs Jr. Honorary pallbearers were Howard Oberman, Gary Oberman, Brandon Myers, Gary Gardner, Ron Oberman, Rick Myers, Neil Myers. _________________________________________________________________ This Myers line was also in Pike Co. Illinois, and was linked to GUTHRIE, ROWLEY, WORMAN.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/IBh.2ACIB/389.2 Message Board Post: Debbie, I still have information for you. Email me.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Guthrie Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/IBh.2ACIB/1297 Message Board Post: His Father Was Ephraim and mother was Flora Simmons. Any info would be helpful.

A few of you may get an unsubscribe notice in the next few days. There are some addresses causing bounces. I am attempting to rectify the situation. Being new at this I may get a few wrong. Don't get mad, if I unsubscribe you by mistake. Just resubscribe or send me an email and I'll do it for you. A note on DNA testing. Lem Guthrie and I have a 24 out of 25 match. This means we have a close common ancestor. Since we had already predicted who this would be with our respective paperwork we are 99.9 % sure where the common ancestor is. In addition another Guthrie is identified as belonging to the same line. I would like to again suggest that a y-dna test can be very helpful. I think some may be concerned that DNA information about a relation might become available to someone who might use it in some manner not authorized. FTDNA promises this will not happen. However the the DNA tests that are done by FTDNA contain no health predictions. There is nothing there that could be used by an insurance company for instance. It would have to be retested before there could be any possibility of harm. So a third party would have to know beforehand which DNA to test and then get the material and retest it. Pretty long shot. Larry admin

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/IBh.2ACIB/1296 Message Board Post: Please click on Links and Announcments for admin contact information and other helpful hints. Please pay close attention on how to use the Surname Box when posting a new message. The Surname Box is the most incorrectly used and most misunderstood feature of the message board features. My thanks to all.