At last! after 25+ years of searching-I found gg grandma!... GG Grandpa Frederic Gross married Elizabetha Neu, 1856 in St Paul's on 6th Street Cincinnati! Well ahead of G Grandpa's July1858 birth... They lived for many rears at 533 John Street. Rear. And I have found that the 'Esteller' [Germany] birthplace- may actually be a corruption (of the German for) Alcase Lorraine! Joanna (Fross) Jones