I have a Fred Grob b. in Germany abt. 1848. He married Lizzie ( Elizabeth) Schaudel, also from germany and b. abt. 1849. they had ch. Eva b. abt. 1869; Gussie b. abt. 1871; Mary b. abt. 1873; Charles (?) b. abt. 1877 and Henry b. abt. 1880. All the ch. were b. in New York. Fred had a brother named Charles who married a Maggie Schaudel (probably lizzies sister) they had 2 children that I know of, george b. abt. 1867 and a daughter (name unknown at this time) but she was murdered in New York City. I am still looking for my grandmothers newspaper article on that. The grob familys lived on cannon st and sheriff st. in new York. I think these may have been on the lower east side. I also think that fred and charles may have had 2 other brothers named thomas and henry. I think they are related but I havent figured out how yet. IF anyone has info on this family please contact me. thanks. Kim [email protected]