This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: sageflat Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.griffin/6548.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Linda, >I may be able to give you a slither of help. Very much appreciated! >There was also a Coleman J GRIFFIN m; Joice UTLEY. That would be Henry's brother? Do you have an approximate date of birth (younger or older than Henry)? >She is named in her fathers estate, William UTLEY and wife Darcy. I have suspected >the girls were either sisters or cousins. Interesting. I had Edy Utley's parents as being William Utley, Jr. (perhaps Sr.) b.1750 and Dorcas Allen b.1751 m.1767. If that's true then perhaps cousins; or is Dorcas -> Darcy? Is it possible for me to see William Utley's will/probate document? >Coleman and Henry leave NC and in 1820 they are found in Todd Co KY, Didn't know about Coleman. Henry seemed to have vanished from NC after marrying Edy (m.5 Dec 1810 Cumberland, NC). This is a real find! 1820 KY census adds up: Henry: 1 son under 10, and presumably himself listed in 26-45 - he would be 30 in 1820, 1 daughter under 10 and presumably Edy listed in 26-45 - she would be 28 in 1820. I don't have any reference for Henry/Edy children older than b.1832 - Thomas b.1832, Lawrence b.1833, Celia J. b.1833 and L. (Louis?) J. b. 1838. So the 1 son and 1 daughter listed in 1820 aren't around in 1850 - looks like more work.. Thomas, Lawrence and Celia claim to have been born in Tennessee. Coleman: 1 son under 10, and presumably himself listed in 26-45, 3 daughters 16 and under, 1 female in 26-45 and 1 female over 45. Don't know exactly what to make of the female over 45 - who might that be - maybe Henry and Coleman's mother? >in 1830 Henry is gone, you may have answered where they moved on to ? As above it appears that Henry left Cumberland NC for Todd, KY (thanks to your research!!), then on to perhaps Tennessee and then he (and family) is found in Cass, Ill for the 1850 census. After that he and Edy vanish. >I didn't try to follow Henry & Edith, figured I had enough >needles in my haystack!! Truer words never spoken. It surely gets tough prior to 1850 and really tough anytime in the 1700's.. And these trees just keep getting bigger and bigger! >These Griffins are listed in one article as pioneers of KY. Would love to see the article if possible. >My line in Cumberland NC was Thomas GRIFFIN b; 1803 son of ??? So Thomas isn't another brother to Henry and Coleman? Henry b.1790, if his father was born in 1760 he would have only been 43 when Thomas was born. Thanks again Linda. I'm working possible parents for Henry. Analyzing 1800 and 1810 censuses for Griffin's and Utley's in NC. Let you know if I find anything that might help with Thomas b.1803. All the best, Dan Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.