Hello Tom, I have finily received the the Book "The man from Winton" by Nathan Green Jr. I found this on page 30-32. I thought you might find it interesting. "Nat Grafton's family was not one of the F. F. V.'s, so called. His father was an honorable, thrifty, industrious man, and his mother an energetic, kind woman. Both parents were worthy members of the Primitive Baptist Church, and thier family piety and Christian walk were unexeceptionable. Nat's father was a man of substance. He had a large farm and much cattle, and a good many servants, who, in that day, were slaves. He was a very upright man, and, though not highly educated, he had strong common sense, and was well informed. He had a great contempt for the pretensions of some of his neighbors, who set themselves up for aristocrats, and had their families represented on canvas in the shape of a tree with all the branches, and this framed and hung up in their parlors. He ridiculed their grand notions, and taught his sons that, so far as birth is concerned, they were as good as anybody. He was particular always to tell them, whenever such matters came up in the family talks, that he himself fought under Washington in the great struggle for liberty;; but that his own grandfather was a tallow-chandler in England---all f whas was doubtless true. He might have said that while his ancestor was making candles to light up the world, he was engaged in a far better business." I think this only adds to the puzzle. What do you think? Bill ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com