Debbie can I direct you to the Black sheep List at roots web,I am sure there were some discussions on greens there recently and shadrack was mentioned. just replace green with Blacksheep for the list. Mellie IBSSG Diagonally parked in a parallel universe --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.286 / Virus Database: 152 - Release Date: 09/10/01