In a message dated 9/2/98 8:22:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, GREEN-D- request@rootsweb.com writes: Emily wrote: << A. Shadrack GREEN (b. 1790-1792) m. Elizabeth (b. 1880) i. ???female (b.bef.1810) (poss. prior family for Eliz.) ii. Simon (b. 1812? - d. bef 1850?) m. Dorothy (b. 1815) iii. Joseph L GREEN (b. 1814) m. Polly BLACK iii. James GREEN (b. 1816) m. Sarah (b.1818) (widow POOR) iv. John GREEN (b. 1821) m. Mary A. (b. 1824) v. Shadrack GREEN (b. 1822) m. Elizabeth DICKEY (b. 1822) vi. Thomas GREEN (b. 1823) m. Catherine vii. Marvel GREEN (b.1827) m. Mary (b. 1831) >> Could this be my Thomas J. Green who was b. 10-7-1823 supposedly in White Co., TN.? He married Catherine Sorel-Sorrell 2-15-1844 at Sparta, White Co., TN. Have not been able to find his parents or siblings. Please help me find Thomas' family so he wont be an orphan anymore. Thank you. Renee Briggs llamb87452@aol.com

Virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political announcements, commercial ads, "PERSONAL CHAT" messages, profanity or OFF TOPIC MESSAGES (like this one) are usually not acceptable on most list forums. Most of us are on several mailing lists and prefer not to be bombarded with useless e-mails. I just want to find my ancestors, their descendants and would like to see just NAMES,NAMES, NAMES and where they came from and where they went. Diane

Betty, Ditto! I may not have made a connection yet, but after years of experience, someday- something will pop right out at you. Boy is that thrilling. Glad at wbrand@gj.net PS I am new to this list, but subscribe to several others that are a lot more chatty. Betty Briggs wrote: > Dear Bill, > > Hush! Some day maybe I'll recognize one of those as MY ancestors too! :) > Seriously, how do you know you don't connect unless you read them? I've > found some great connections, so I don't want to discourage any > discussions. > > Betty

Hi List, Found these on a library I subscribe to. No more info is given about these people but it may give you people searching in VA an idea of when and where some of ancestors came from. JO Early Virginia Immigrants 1623-66 Description: Compiled from land records stored in Richmond, this collection of immigrants is a must for anyone looking for relatives in early Virginia. Each entry also gives the person who sponsored the immigrant to America. Bibliography: Greer, George Cabel. Early Virginia Immigrants 1623-1666. Richmond, VA: W. C. Hill Printing Co., 1912. Early Virginia Immigrants; 1623–1666 Green, Tho., 1653, by Margarett Upton, Lancaster Co. Green, Pres., 1651, by Edward Deggs, Yorke Co. Green, Marjary, 1653, by Peter Knight, Northumberland Co. Green, Richard, 1652, by Tho. Lewis, Gent., Lancaster Co. Green, Ann, 1650, by Capt. Richard Bond, Charles City Co. Green, John, 1653, by Joseph Hogkinson, Lower Norfolk Co. Green, Dorcas, 1654, by Alex. Madocks, and James Jones, Northampton Co. Green, Richd., 1653, by Richd. Haines, —— Co. Green, James, 1653, by Tho. Kidd, Lancaster Co. Green, Mary, 1653, by Leonard Chamberlaine, Gloucester Co. Green, Millisent, 1652, by Mr. John Brown, Northampton Co. Green, John, 1647, by Tho. Gibson, York Co. Green, Peeter, 1649, by Mr. Wm. Hoccaday, —— Co. Green, John, 1650, by Silvester Thatcher and Tho. Whitlocke, —— Co. Green, Tho., 1650, by Richard Jacob, Northampton Co. Green, Ann, 1655, by Tho. Jones, James City Co. Green, Edmond, 1647, by Elizabeth Barcroft, Isle of Wight Co. Green, Tho., 1653, by Ferdinando Austin, Charles City Co. Green, Tho., 1654, by Robert Hubard, Westmoreland Co. Green, Armogall, 1656, by Francis Hutchins, Nansemond Co. Green, Tho., 1654, by Nich. Merywether, Westmoreland Co. Green, John, 1654, by James Yates, —— Co. Green, Ann, 1655, by John Palmer, Northumberland Co. Green, Mary, 1655, by John Palmer, Northumberland Co. Green, Tho., 1654, by Valentine Patten, Westmoreland Co. Green, Sarah, 1656, by John Billiott, Northampton Co. Green, Tho., 1654, by Richard Hawkins, Westmoreland Co. Green, John, 1654, by John Wyre, John Gillet, Andrew Gilson and John Phillipps, —— Co. Green, Kath., 1655, by John Green, —— Co. Green, Mary, 1643, by Joseph Croshawe, —— Co. Green, Richard, 1655, by John Green, —— Co. Green, Alexander, and Joane his wife, 1650, by Mordecay Cooke, —— Co. Greene, Edward, 1650, by Mordecay Cooke, —— Co. Greene, John, 1635, by Thomas Harwood, —— Co. Greene, Robert, 1637, by Patrick Kennedye, New Norfolk Co. Greene, Elin, 1636, by Cheney Boyse, Charles City Co. Greene, Eliz., 1637, by Cheney Boyes, Charles City Co. Greene, Wm., Arthur Bayly's servant, 1637, by Arthur Bayly and Tho. Crosby, Henrico Co. Green, Judith, 1635, by Wm. Swan, James Co. Greene, Charles, 1637, by Henry Perry, Charles River Co. Greene, Judith, 1638, by Thomas Swan, James Citie, Co. Greene, John, 1643, by Capt. John Upton, Isle of Wight Co. Greene, Henry, 1653, by Wm. Cox, —— Co. page 136 Greene, Cha., 1653, by Capt. Francis Patt, Northampton Co. Greene, Margarett, 1652, by Nicho Searborne, Lower Norfolk Co. Greene, Tho., 1652, by Mr. John Browne, Northampton Co. Greene, Tho., 1648, by Geo. Hardey, Tho. Wombwell and Peter Hall, Isle of Wight Co. Greene, David, 1648, by Geo. Hardey, Tho. Wombley, and Peter Hall, Isle of Wight Co. Greene, John, 1648, by Wm. Barret, —— Co. Greene, Judith, 1648, by Thomas Hart, James City Co. Greene, Mary, 1650, by Wm. Hodgson, Yorke Co. Greene, Charles, 1637, by Henry Perry, Charles River Co. Greene, Peter, 1642, by William Lawson, Isle of Wight Co.

Dear Bill, Hush! Some day maybe I'll recognize one of those as MY ancestors too! :) Seriously, how do you know you don't connect unless you read them? I've found some great connections, so I don't want to discourage any discussions. Betty

With complete respect for your opinion I would say "careful Bill, you might be speaking only for yourself" :) I wouldn't change a single way that this list and people communicate and function! Hope everyone has a nice Holiday Weekend With warmest regards from San Diego, "Ed" MI > Jefferson Co., IL > San Diego, CA Ed & Betty Greene 3538 Elsinore Place San Diego, CA 92117-4509 Phone & Fax 619-274-3720 edgreene@san.rr.com =========================================================================== Paternal Surnames: Anderson (SC>IL), Burdette (MD), Getty (IRE), Green (MD>IL), Lively (SC>IL), Parker (SC), Porter (SC), Teter (VA>IL), Maternal Surnames: Beer (PA>OH), Crow (PA>OH), Deffenbaugh (PA>OH), Derr (PA), Maley (PA), Shank (PA>OH>MI>MN), =========================================================================== FTM Homepage: http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/g/r/e/D-E-Greene/index.html Member & FTM group leader:Computer Gen Soc.of San Diego: www.cgssd.org ===================================================================== -----Original Message----- From: William T. Green <greenwt@hevanet.com> To: GREEN-L@rootsweb.com <GREEN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, September 04, 1998 8:09 PM Subject: [GREEN-L] Common Courtesy >Since most of us subscribers want to see pertinent information related to >our forebears on this service, why don't those of you who want to answer >someone's specific question go to their specific email address and stop >"spamming" the rest of us with your chat-room messages? > >Thanks, > >Bill > >

Since most of us subscribers want to see pertinent information related to our forebears on this service, why don't those of you who want to answer someone's specific question go to their specific email address and stop "spamming" the rest of us with your chat-room messages? Thanks, Bill

Hello Bill, I guess you must have taken a poll of "most subscribers" that I forgot to vote in. So, here's my vote. I think this list is one of the most informative and active on the Internet. I, for one, enjoy each and every post and, have discovered numerous links to my own family tree. I think, in most cases, the subscribers do E-mail the person directly and then send a copy to the list, in case anyone else is interested. If you yourself have a specific question, ask it, and some of us will try to help if we can. However, I would hope that the answerer would send a copy of their reply to the list in general, just in case someone else might be interested in the same line as you. If that's "Spam" then so be it. I for one, wouldn't have it any other way. Ron Greene RGreene431@aol.com

I'm at a loss....anyone else? Helen, we'll need the date of the document. Also: was it with any other documents that help us identify this Harrison ,Richard, + John. Type you later, Cindy ---------- > From: Helenwal@aol.com > To: csprou35@cybertrails.com > Subject: Green's in Jasper Co., TX > Date: Friday, September 04, 1998 5:55 PM > > Cynthia, > > Sorry to get off subject but I was looking through the Jasper co. probate > index today and I see where there is a Harrison Green who is adm. for a > Richard Green(a minor) and a John Green who is deceased. > Can you shead any light on who this might be? > > thanks, > Helen

Darrell, Here's a bunch of web sites for Greens. Relax and check them out. Betty http://al7fl.abts.net/chenoweth/chenowet.htm W.Va http://al7fl.abts.net/green-page/green.htm http://al7fl.abts.net/putman/putman.htm This is the Jackson Co, WV web site. They have some really great lookup people - very helpful! http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvjackso/JACK.HTM Another helpful central WV site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~hcpd Fran's: http://members.aol.com/sandyinbc Sally's http://members.aol.com/HorseSpot/index.html from Louise - boy, she has a lot!: Genealogy Home Page http://www.genhomepage.com/ Roots L library On line classroom http://emcee.com/directory.html [Genealogy on Line] http://genealogy.org/~palam/ [Palatinate or German research} or E-mail Pal-am@juno.com to register name http://www.ellisisland.org/ [Ellis Island Foundation can register your immigrant anc.] http://www.rootsweb.com http://www.al7fl.abts.net/green-page/htm [another Green site I have been unable to locate] KyGenWeb http://www.usgenweb.com/help/ [USGENWEB] http://www.usgenweb.com/nc (for NC research Diane Miller for NC Home page Questions etc E-Mail on site [You can get almost any other state by putting its intitials where nc is.] http:www.goldenbranches.com/nc-state/ Tom Winslow is going to put North Carolina Cemetery records on iredell County NCGenWebHome Page. http://www.iredell.com his E-Mail address is winslow@vnet.net NC-SC-ROOTS-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU<NC-SC-ROOTS-L@LISTSSERV.IN DIANA.EDU> Alice Tatum<Frendlysky@AOL.COM> Jeremiah Green Sr family listed on al7fl.abts.net/green-page/misty2.txt home.earthlink.net/~middleton/topten.html al7fl.abts.net/green-page/green.htm (That is AL7FL not a number one from Betty) [Site for GREEN names I have never been able to reach it.] www.familytreemaker.com/ifftop.html www.familytreemaker.com [You can search by surname and it will tell you what disc to look on] http://www.ancestry.com [They put out an on-line newletter with lots of URL’s to search] http://www.ancestry.com/ancestry/search.asp http://www.ancestry.com/ancestry/recent.asp http://www.ionet/~cousins/index.html http://www.gentree.com/ http://www.geocities.com/heartland/7576 freespace.virgin.net/alan.tupman/sites passenger lists Genealogy Forum [You can submit surname queries] United Daughters of the Confederacy Living Civil War Sites keyword Civil War Hot List Civil War Information Center Mason-Dixon Line Chat rooms Civil War archives Civil War Web Sites Search Engine: Bob’s your Uncle, eh! FGS http:www.fgs.org/ www.Yahoo.com USGS/Gnis the site for maps may be all caps or all single Mapquest Intereactive Map Geocities KyVital Records are on line & can be searched 1911-1986 & 1987-1992 Marriages/Divorce records 1973-1993 Kansas Pioneers List Searchable database Kansas Interactive Genealogy Roots L Resource On-line Immigrant Ancestor Register Index Family Finder Index Searchable Genealogy Links Links to tons of searchable sites not abbreviated 1813 List of Rev. War Pensioners Genealogy Roots Corner grt list of Surnames Genealogy’s Most Wanted site free to leave a query concerning hard to find ancestors. Lori’s Genealogy Query Page. Ships Photo’s Ships Captains and Passenger lists lists ships, passengers, & destinations Janyce’s Roots Digging Dept. great site for family living Southwest Virginia History & Genealogy has family histories & publications. Has lots of things I should be able to use. Kansas Heritage Interactive Genealogy changed to http://raven.cc.ukans.educ/heritage/research/inter-gen/ http://www.i-america.net/homepages/sngunn/ Indian site Broken Threads http://members.iquest.net/~mgriffin/genweb/base.htm. (Betty C sent) Griffin/Green {This is the One that I was referring to.} E-Mail mgriffin@iquest.net Marc Griffin of Griffin site Updates material about every 3 or 4 weeks. http://localsonly.wilmington.net/~ggreen/genealogy.html Green Forum put in favorite places You can submit Queries. http://familytreemaker.com/users/g/r/eD-E-Greene/ 1840 census index and 1830 at comp.uark.edu/~sbarger/howard/index.html or through usgenweb and MO/Howard http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgwqury/qury/qindex.html (for Query sites all over US) http://www.roots.web.com/~valunenb (Query Lunenburg Co., VA) http://www.joshuanet.com/~pargenso (Paradise Genealogy Site) http://www.cestro.com/pargenso (Paradise Genealogy Site same one) (They have easy access to Search Engines on p.4 of Genealogy Resources on the Web.) http://www.phoenix.net/~mart.kw/geneal.html (Indian Site with info on genealogy as well as other things related to Indians different tribes) http://www.nara.gov/genealogy/ [National Archives & Records Administration] http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgwqury/kybios/index.cgi (Kentucky Bios reached once other times couldn’t get it) New Site being posted on April 6, 1998 for Scottish Research http://www.anywhere.co.uk/new.html Searchable index marriages, births & deaths. http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgwqury/qindex.html [Queries] http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgwqury/Ky/Tips/index.cgi (another KY site reached and then had trouble getting it) http://members.tripod.com/~GorinS/index.html (Gorin Gen Pub: & gene. sites) http://www.nh.ultranet.com/utbrass/AMST/Amst.html (Accidently got it to searching while other files were open and it jamed , try again sometime). These are very slow because of pictures. Haven’t really used it but looks interesting, don’t try when you are short on time. http://www.xs4all.nl/~mailme/jolanda/enspl.html [For ship passenger lists] http://members.aol.com/vickir999/POAclub.html [computer club for POA] http://www.mnsi.net/~robin [Rob McLean robin@mnsi.nt WebMaster@RARE.on.ca} http://www.anywhere.co.uklnews.html [Scotland records as of Apr 6, 1998 on line] http://www.genealogy.org/census/census/contents.html [Census Records on line] http://www.genealogy.org/census/1790.html http://www.erols.com/fmoran/markland.html [Moran site has Markland, Padgett info] fmoran@erols.com [Faye Moran] http://www.potifos.com/tpg/index.html [Dead Politicians, where they are buried also famous people, like movie stars, baseball players etc.on site by same person] http://www.rootsweb.com For Surnames choose “maillists” Can submit data and receive information from persons of same Surname. http://www.-nmd.gov/www/gnisform.html [Been looking for a good map site haven’t tried it yet] http://www.mapping.usgs.gov/www/MapMultiPoint [Haven’t tried yet] http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgwqury/Ky/Tips/index.cgi [KY queries] http://www.mcpl.lib.mo.us/ge [Mid-Continent Source suppose to be able to order books from library] http://www.image.vts.com/collection/ http://www.leo.vsla.edu/lva.html http://www.readersdigest.com [And for a joke a day when you are tired of working so hard] http://www.genealogical.com/ genealogical Pulishers http://www.genealogy.org/census/contents.html http://www.home.earthlink.net/~middleton/ suppose to have maps http://members.home.net/feagin/index.html http://feagin.hypermart.net http://www.ancestry.com/ssdi/advanced.htm Social Security Reg. http://www.census-online.com/links/index.html Census on-line http://lcweb2.gov/catalog/ Library of Congress Search Engine ~~~~ some basic functions. Here is that Great URL: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/2355/hudd.html Please keep in mind, it is not the page itself exactly, but the amount of info! ~~~ Just HOW does one access the venereable archives? I would love to read them. Thank you, CGreen/Sproul The URL for the RootsWeb Mailing List Archives is: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl ~~~~~ Sally has been collecting Greenes from around the country for some years and has published a book on them. She is a wonderful resource to all of us searching for our Green/Greene ancestry. Her email address is horsespot@aol.com - and her web site is: http://members.aol.com/HorseSpot/index.html ~~~~~ The following is a commercial web site where old wills of several states can be ordered at a fairly small charge: http://www.wasatch.com/~dsam/sampubco/search.htm So far he has indexed wills of the following states: Alabama | Idaho | Illinois | Iowa | Kansas | New York | Ohio | Oregon | Pennsylvania ~~~~~ I agree with Victoria as well. She already has the Green marriages site up. In case any of you haven't been there... http://members.aol.com/quill101/collections.htm http://members.aol.com/quill101/collections.htm U.S. Green Marriages ~~~~~ http://al7fl.abts.net/chenoweth/chenowet.htm W.Va http://al7fl.abts.net/green-page/green.htm http://al7fl.abts.net/putman/putman.htm ~~~~~~~ http://www.state.tn.us/sos/statelib/pubsvs/death.htm#index Some may find the information on this site vey helpful. http://www.state.tn.us/sos/statelib/pubsvs/death.htm#index To let everyone know, the database of the day at ancestry.com is DAR Lineage Books-105 volumes and is full of Green (2222 listings) and Greene (1087 listings) much like the stuff David sent. You actually have 10 days to search this source. After that, you can't access it unless you join. You can subscribe to their daily newsletter at their site. The database is at: http://www.ancestry.com/ancestry/search/3174.htm

Looking for someone that might know of or have heard of Adelia Green, born in Bergen Co, NJ., abt 1548 or 1549 she was married to Charles Vincent Helms of Monroe, NY. They were married in Monroe, NY on April 14, 1864. No mention of her Parents was made, and she died in Carbondale, PA.. We have the Death certifacate but it only listed the Birthplace as Bergen Co.. I have searched many a place even records at the LDS, but she seems to stay out of my reach, I often wonder if my family was hatched, or maybe came up out of the ground.. On that note I will add that Charles was finally located, and thanks to the Helms-L list we have his side all the way back to England.. The key being a scrape of Envelope written to Charles with the dates of his parents deaths... So I'll never throw anything away... Thanks, for any ideas.. Wanda Clowater

>Since most of us subscribers want to see pertinent information related to >our forebears on this service, why don't those of you who want to answer >someone's specific question go to their specific email address and stop >"spamming" the rest of us with your chat-room messages? Well, Bill, as one Green who can't find diddly-squat on pertinent information related to my Greens forebears, I personally enjoy "listening in" on specific conversations between members of this group. I actually learn things. Moral: One Man's (or woman's ) SPAM is another's learning experience. Laurie Greene James

Thank you, not only do I have GREEN on my father's side (Bedford Co., TN) but I have HARRIS on my mom's side... and in this Co. So this was very valuable to me. Much appreciated, Lisa Grimes

Hi Fellow Greene/Green researchers! Is anyone researching in the Greene County area of NY?? My search of my now infamous Charles FM Greene, yep, the one who crawled out from under a rock - came from a time warp - another planet - etc, has led me perhaps to Coxsackie and I would guess I should search surrounding area as no record of him exsists in Athens except for the 1875 census and a record in 1874. Is anyone else reseaching in the Coxsackie and maybe Cairo area? Sue Pawley trottr@icanect.net Wont bore you with Charles FM Greene but am also researching surnames Church, Throm, Kogl and variant spellings.

Dear Emily, Try Http://www.libertynrt.org/ gencap/pacounties.html. Pennsylvania has extensive records: for instance my Dad subcribes to a PNN-Bedford list. So there should be an Allegany list. Since these ancestors were married relatively late, there should be no problem finding their records. It would help to know if they were Quakers, Palantine or PNN Dutch or Lutheran as each of these sets of folks keep records extesively. There is also Ancestory.com- Ancestory Irish Quakers. And There's Brenda's Pnn Sites--- Http://www.geocities.com/ heartland/plains/8021/palinks. htm. Another Green searcher, CindyGreen/Sproul

Fellow GREEN listers: Can anyone help this person? Subject: GREEN/MATTHEWS MARRIAGE Date: Sun, Aug 30, 1998 3:42 PM From: RMonroe237@aol.com James GREEN married Mary MATTHEWS in Allegheny County, PA sometime prior to 1878. James was born 1856, Mary 1860. I have yet to find a marriage record, can anyone help?????

In a message dated 98-09-04 09:20:50 EDT, you write: << Hello Tom, I am not familiar with this Thomas and Lucy (Davis) Green family. Who is the father of this Thomas? Who is William you refer to? Bill >> Hi Bill, In 1761 Thomas Green purchased land in Prince Edward County, Virginia from his father-in-law Peter Davis. For years I have thought this Thomas Green was possibly the father of my William Green born there February 6, 1762, but the documentation I have found seem to indicate I am incorrect. There is a mention in the William and Mary Qarterly that a William Green may have been the father of this Thomas Green. Most of the early Green marriages in Prince Edward County are children of this Thomas Green who first married Ann Barryman and they had one son named Barryman Green. After Ann Barryman Green died, Thomas then married Lucy Davis, the daughter of Peter Davis, and they had a number of children. Let me know if I can provide additional info on this family. Tom Green My William Green named his first son Thomas S. Green, so the naming patern seems correct, doesn't prove anything.

Seeking information on Lewis Green and wife Martha Elizabeth Taylor, m 1835 Ware Co., Georiga. Martha Elizabeth Taylor daughter of Hezekiah Taylor, of Ware County. Any information will be appreciated. Darrel Bell

On 09/03/98 21:50:04 you wrote: > >Hi David, > >My last two messages to you have been returned. Don't know what is going >on???? > >Thank you for all your work! I have been looking back at my records of Prince >Edward County, Amelia County, and several others that I have researched, and >agree that the John Green who purchased land from Nathaniel Harris on >Vaughan's Creek December 3, 1754 in Prince Edward County, Virginia, could be >our man. I have not yet located Vaughan's Creek where this land was located. >Have you located this creek? > >>From the deed book (1) records it appears that this same John Green and Edward >Gresham who witnessed a land sell of Robert Gresham on Harriss' Creek, and >Miller's Spring Branch January 28, 1757. If these two pieces of property are >near each other, I would think this is the same John Green. > >The only other Greens mentioned in Deed Book (1) of Prince Edward County, Va. >are the Thomas Green who married Lucy Davis, and the William Green that >witnessed his April 25, 1761 land purchases from Thomas' father-in-law, Peter >Davis. > >As you said, it appears one of these men was the father of our ancestors. I >don't see anything in Deed Book (2) of Prince Edward County, Va. that appears >to contirdict this theory. These two seem to be the only Greens in the >county. The deed on page 142b. of Deed Book (2) is the one that gives >Christiana as the name of John Green's wife, and it is dated February 21, >1763, so that would prove they were in the county when my William Green was >born on February 6, 1762. The only thing that bothers me about this theory is >William and Kezziah Green didn't name a daughter Christiana Green. > >The early marriage records don't help much, as only the family of the Thomas >Green who married Lucy Davis appear to be recorded. There is a Betsy Green >who married James Baven May 4, 1792 that is not identified as being a daughter >of Thomas and Lucy David Green, but other than her, the others all belong to >Thomas and Lucy. > >Where do we go from here??? > >Tom Green > > > Hi Tom and All, Can't speak for others, but I really like it when you folks post messages such as this on the Green list. Makes for interesting reading. Thanks, Brenda Jo

Rob- Dear Bob, Nathan, Joe, Ron, Charles, and J R - This is my current working descendant chart for "1847 Will" Shadrack -- you will notice that it is considerably smaller than the one generally circulated for "Shadrack Green (b.1760) m Mary Gage". Basically, I read the will with an intense focus on *what it said* rather than what it was generally *assumed* to say. This grouping fits very well with the census data at the 1800 and 1820 points (I don't have any actual data for the 1810 census year) and I think it's reasonably well-supported. However, I would absolutely love some fact-based criticism -- I can only improve my theory if its weaknesses are pointed out! Shadrack GREEN (b. 1760-1770) m Martha "Patsy" JONES (b.1770-1775, d. bef.1847) 1. Joseph GREEN (~ 1797) in (present) Cleveland Co, NC, and died June 23, 1883 in Warren Co, TN. He married Sarah MOONEY in 1816 in Warren Co, TN. a. Viney GREEN, d. Abt. 1845, Warren Co, TN; m. REEDER, Abt. 1838, Warren Co, TN. b. Unidentified Female child. c. Shadrack GREEN, b. 5/12/1820 Warren Co. TN; d. 11/08/1881 same d. James Mooney GREEN, b. 3/02/1822 Warren Co. TN; d. 11/23/1900, Warren Co, TN. 2. Anselom GREEN (~ 1800-1876) m. Elizabeth Philbeck (~1802) in 1822 a. Joseph GREEN (~1825, MC) m. Eliza L. [unknwn](1830) in MO ~1851 i. Alexander GREEN (~ 1852, MO) ii. Anselm GREEN (~1854, MO) iii. Mary Julia GREEN (~ 1856, MO) iv. Rhoda A. GREEN (~1861, MO) m. 2nd Mary E. [Unknown](~ 1836, MO) in MO in 1861-1863) v. John T. GREEN (Abt. 1864, MO, twin) vi. William T. GREEN (Abt. 1864, twin) b. Mary GREEN (~1831, NC) m. Nicholas ROGERS i. [unknown] ROGERS ii. [unknown] ROGERS c. Marvel GREEN (~1833,NC) m. Luisa M. [Street?] bef. 1856 i. William R. GREEN (~1856, IL) ii. George B. GREEN (~ 1858) d. Delilah GREEN (~1835, NC) e. Cornelius GREEN (~1836, Tenn.) f. George F. GREEN (~1837, Tenn.; d. bef. 1880) m. Tabitha MURPHY g. Falby GREEN (~1839, MO) h. William R. GREEN (~ 1841, MO) m. Henrietta [unknown] before 1875 i. Delia A. GREEN (Abt. 1869) ii. Laura E. GREEN (Abt 1870) iii. A. Ellis GREEN (Abt. 1876) iv. William A. GREEN (Abt. 1878) 3. Elizabeth GREEN (abt. 1802 - d. ~age 42) m John U. WILSON 20 December 1832 in Rutherford Co, NC a. William M. WILSON 4.. Sarah GREEN (~1805-aft 1877 in MO) m. James Burns ( b.abt. 1801) on 2/22/1823 in Rutherford Co, NC a. Cornelius Green Burns (3/24/1826, Rutherford Co., NC - 6/14/1897, Salem, Dent Co. MO b. William P. Burns (~1828 ) c. Elizabeth Burns (~1830)+John Black(~1825) - m: ~1847 in Warren Co. TN d. Martha Burns (~1833) e. Shadrack Burns (~1837 ) f. Sarah Burns (~1842)- 4. Lavinia "Viney" GREEN (1803?07?-1880) m. Elijah DYCUS in 1826 a. Abner Green Dycus-18441 (1827-1880) Rutherford Co,NC sp-Susannah Digh-18378 (1819-1865) North Carolina b. Uresley C. Dycus-18452 (1828-1885) sp-Jessy Doty-18453 (1818-1885) South Carolina c. Dorah N. Dycus-18505 (1830- ) d. Dicy Lou Dycus-14389 (1831-1919) sp-Name Bridges-18503 (1828- ) e. Lanedsey Louisa Dycus-9973 (1831-1919) NC sp-Isaac James Bridges-9972 (1836- ) f. Martha Jane Dycus-9941 (1833-1922) sp-James Bridges-9940 (1803- ) g. Biddy M. Dycus-14388 (1834- ) h. William K. Dycus-14387 (1837- ) i. Sarah Ann Dycus-1477 (1839- ) sp-Noah Green-18440 ( - ) j. Ausil S. Dycus-14393 (1841- ) k. Artimincy Dycus-14394 (1843- ) l. Joseph J. Dycus-14395 (1847- ) m. Sedford J. Dycus-18504 (1848- ) n. R.M. Dycus-18506 (1855- ) 5. Cornelius GREEN (b. March 24, 1807, d.Oct. 21, 1896) m. Martha Farmer HARILL (b.abt. 1815) on Jan. 25. 1838. and died Oct. 21, 1896. Both Cornelius and his wife are buried in the Beaver Dan, Baptist Church cemetery in Cleveland County. a. John GREEN (b.abt. 1839) b. William. GREEN (b. abt. 1842) b. James Whittcn. GREEN NOT IN 1850 CENSUS c. Martin Alexander. GREEN (b. abt. 1846) d. Joseph H. GREEN (b. abt. 1848) e. David Beam GREEN (b. abt. 1850) f. Mary GREEN NOT IN 1850 CENSUS 6. "Dicey" GREEN (Aft. 1810) m. William BANDY in 24 Oct. 1836 in Rutherford Co, NC a. Ladrum BANDY 7. Abner GREEN {Abt. 1811) m. Elizabeth WILSON in 1832 [in 1830 census Ruth.] a. Susannah GREEN (~ 1837, NC) b. Sarah "A.M.J." GREEN (~. 1844, TN) c. William S. GREEN (~ 1846,TN) d. Joseph J. GREEN (~1848,TN) e. Abner L. GREEN (~. 1851,TN) f. Elsie L. GREEN {~ 1849, TN) g. James W. GREEN (~ 1853, TN) h. Robert P. GREEN (~1856, MO) i. Mary E. GREEN (~. 1858, MO) [1860 Census St. Francois, MO] 8. Marvel GREEN (b. 29 JULY 1814, Rutherford County, NC; d. 14 March 1878) m.1st Elisabeth Dicus, 1 Aug. 1833, Rutherford County NC a. Malinda GREEN (24 July 1834, NC - 1863) m. Caswell KNUCKOLLS i. Emily KNUCKOLLS (1855, Tenn) ii. Laura Jane KNUCKOLLS (1858. MO) iii. Jno. W. KNUCKLES (1861, MO) iv. Benj. KNUCKLES (1863, MO) b. William B. GREEN, 9 May 1837 North Carolina m. 2nd Ann DYE c. John Wilson. GREEN, b. 8 JUly 1842, NC m. Malvina HIBBITS d. Susannah J. GREEN, b. 30 July 1844, NC e. Joseph Mart. GREEN, b. 1846 c. Andrew J. GREEN (1848, Tenn.) m. Ellen KESSINGER in 1868 i. William GREEN (Abt 1870) ii. Marvel GREEN (Abt. 1872) iii. Bersheba GREEN (Abt. 1877) iv. Oscar GREEN (Abt. 1880) m. 2nd Laura MONTGOMERY (widow GREEN) in 1884 d. Sarah L. GREEN, 17 Nov 1852, Indiana e. Martha L. GREEN, Feb 1854, Indiana f. James W. GREEN, 30 Dec 1859, Missouri d. 1933 m. 3rd Lucinda KESSINGER (widow FELKEL) on 10/16/1866 g. Benjamin Timothy GREEN (9 Nov 1870, Illinois died young) h. Esther GREEN (April 1871, Illinois) i. Mary A. GREEN (22 Nov 1872 Illinois) j. George Anselm GREEN (August 1876, Illinois) I am preparing my reasoning with respect to the non-inclusion of other people listed in The Will. :-) Emily