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    1. Re: [GREEN-L] Book on GREEN Cherokee ancestors and some descendants
    2. Sue Pawley
    3. I too would be interested in this,, does anyone have any other info on this topic? It could benefit many on this list. Sue Pawley trottr@icanect.net ---------- > From: PHWALLS <PHWALLS@prodigy.net> > To: GREEN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [GREEN-L] Book on GREEN Cherokee ancestors and some descendants > Date: Monday, October 19, 1998 11:40 AM > > Dear GREEN list: > Here's a book that may interest some of you!!!!! > > "Green Family Cherokee Ancestors/Some of Their Descendants 1700's to > 1900's" HB $45.00 , publisher is Gregath Publishing, Co., Box 505 > Wyandotte, OK 74370 and they have a website: www.gregathcompany.com. > > If anyone has this book, or will order it for their own library, please > email me. I would appreciate a lookup on Matthew GREEN. Thanks! > > FOR YOUR information: The native American Cherokees covered much of > Georgia, Tennessee, parts of Virginia, the Carolinas, and were forced > out of that area over the "Trail of Tears" to their final destination in > "Indian Territory" in present day Oklahoma, where the Cherokee Nation > and other Native American nations still live to the present day. Some > Cherokees also migrated and settled out further West, in places such as > New Mexico. I am not an expert and this is only what I understand and I > stand ready to be corrected. > -- > Tim > mailto:phwalls@prodigy.net > > Researching MCCLINTOCK, ARMSTRONG, GREEN, all of Irish descent, > especially County Tyrone (MCCLINTOCK, ARMSTRONG) and Co. Meath (Green) >

    10/19/1998 06:35:35
    1. [GREEN-L] Samuel Green
    2. Still looking for Samuel Green's parents. He was born 1786 VA and died 15 Sep 1869 Marion Co. AL. He married Susannah Campbell 4 Aug 1808 Warren Co. TN. This really is a test, because I have not received any e-mail from the Green list. Ina P.S. The test didn't work so I subscribed again.

    10/19/1998 02:44:30
    1. Re: [GREEN-L] Book on GREEN Cherokee ancestors and some descendants
    2. Jo Orvik
    3. Hi Tim, I subscribe to the Ancestry.com library and they have this Dawes Index online. 2 volumes. The first is the 1896 index and the second covers 1898-1914. Here are the descriptions. There are several Green's listed but no Matthew. If anyone wants a look-up, let me know. Jo Dawes Commission 1896 Index Description: This is an index to over 14,000 records of individuals in the Five Civilized Tribes that applied for citizenship under the Act of 1896. The Five Civilized Tribes include the Cherokee, Choctaw, Chicasaw, Creek and the Seminole. Each record includes the individual's name tribe, and case number. This compilation, in effect an Indian census, was also used as the basis for the allotment of tribal lands to individual Indians. Bibliography: United States. National Archives and Records Administration. Applications From the Bureau of Indian Affairs, Muskogee Area Office, Relating to Enrollment in the Five Civilized Tribes Under the Act of 1896, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington: 1992. Description: Commonly called the Commission to the Five Civilized Tribes, the Dawes Commission was appointed by President Grover Cleveland in 1893. In return for abolishing their tribal governments and recognizing state and federal laws, tribe members of the Five Civilized Tribes - the Cherokee, Creek, Choctaw, Chickasaw and Seminole - were given a share of common property. This database indexes the original applications for tribal enrollments under the act of June 28, 1898. It also indexes documents such as birth and death affidavits, marriage licenses, and decisions and orders of the Commission. Bibliography: United States. National Archives and Records Administration. Applications for Enrollment in the Five Civilized Tribes, 1898-1914, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington: 1992. > FOR YOUR information: The native American Cherokees covered much of Georgia, Tennessee, parts of Virginia, the Carolinas, and were forced out of that area over the "Trail of Tears" to their final destination in "Indian Territory" in present day Oklahoma, where the Cherokee Nation and other Native American nations still live to the present day.

    10/19/1998 02:17:58
    1. [GREEN-L] Going off-line
    2. Richard H. Greene
    3. A beautiful day (for a change) here in Northern California - So we're going to just jump in the car and go somewhere for a couple of days - will be back on-line by the weekend? Or sometime? :-) To our friends and cousins in south Texas - please know our thoughts and best wishes are with you! Regards, Carolyn Carter Johnson and Richard Hunter Greene

    10/19/1998 11:56:38
    1. [GREEN-L] My Greens
    2. John & Dawn Lepre
    3. Hello everyone I am just starting my journey with this and am not quite sure where to go with all of this I have alot of dates and names but not sure who goes with who so don't want to post them all yet. But here are some if anyone has any info or can fill in any blanks I would appreciate it. When I get more info will post it. Thank you all. Dawn Lepre My Greens are from Warwick NY 1. John H. GREEN. Born July 8, 1845- Died Oct 6, 1923 Married 3x's Josephine TOMER. Born Aug 3, 1848-Died Jan. 10,1890 May ROBERTSON. Born May 1, 1861- Died Dec. 24,1903 Emma ? ( this is all I have on the 3rd wife)All buried in Warwick Cemetery 2. Edward GREEN( son of John and Josephine) Born Dec. 27,1874 - Died June 6, 1915 Married Maggie HOVENCAMP Born, May 25,1876-Died, July 26,1923 Married on Feb 3, 1894 3. Children of Edward and Maggie 1. Clarence E. GREEN Born Warwick NY Feb8, 1896 Died June 27,1957 Married Elizabeth J. LOTT. Born Vernon NJ April 8, 1901- April 13, 1978 2. Ernest W.GREEN Born Jan 23,1898 Died Jan 6, 1974 Married Bessie SYLVERMAN 3. Alfred A. GREEN Born Jan 8, 1900 Died March 1960 Married Leona EVERMAN 4. Randolph W. GREEN Born Feb11, 1902 Died Dec 24,1984 Married Emma LOTT 5. Allen K.GREEN Born March 26, 1909- (Still Living) Married Della CONKLIN Born Oct 6, 1910 Died Dec. 16,1995 6. Evelyn E. GREEN Born May 31, 1913 Died ? Married Henry RATTALINO

    10/19/1998 11:38:18
    1. Re: [GREEN-L] Re: Green
    2. Tom Green
    3. Helen Ferguson wrote: > Helen Ferguson wrote: > > > > Tom,Are you related to a David Green Born 1785 in nc? He was married to > > a Temperance Dowdy Green They then came to Marshall Co. Tn They had 8 > > children. one was my g grandfather Benjamine Washington Green He was > > married to a Nancy Shaw. They had 10 Children one was my grandmother > > Nannie Green Neely. She married a George Taylor Neely. > > Thanks helen@usit.net *****Hi Helen: I don't know. I am again trying to find my gggreat grand parents Green. I am stuck. My ggreat grand father was William H.? Green, born July 1852, where?? He is buried in Cedar Hill Cemetary outside of Washington, DC. I need to search the Censuses of 1900 thru 1920 to pin point his birthplace. All following generations to the present are in the Washington, DC area. Regards, Tom Green

    10/19/1998 11:04:40
    1. [GREEN-L] Book on GREEN Cherokee ancestors and some descendants
    2. PHWALLS
    3. Dear GREEN list: Here's a book that may interest some of you!!!!! "Green Family Cherokee Ancestors/Some of Their Descendants 1700's to 1900's" HB $45.00 , publisher is Gregath Publishing, Co., Box 505 Wyandotte, OK 74370 and they have a website: www.gregathcompany.com. If anyone has this book, or will order it for their own library, please email me. I would appreciate a lookup on Matthew GREEN. Thanks! FOR YOUR information: The native American Cherokees covered much of Georgia, Tennessee, parts of Virginia, the Carolinas, and were forced out of that area over the "Trail of Tears" to their final destination in "Indian Territory" in present day Oklahoma, where the Cherokee Nation and other Native American nations still live to the present day. Some Cherokees also migrated and settled out further West, in places such as New Mexico. I am not an expert and this is only what I understand and I stand ready to be corrected. -- Tim mailto:phwalls@prodigy.net Researching MCCLINTOCK, ARMSTRONG, GREEN, all of Irish descent, especially County Tyrone (MCCLINTOCK, ARMSTRONG) and Co. Meath (Green)

    10/19/1998 09:40:11
    1. [GREEN-L] Re: Green
    2. Helen Ferguson
    3. Helen Ferguson wrote: > > Tom,Are you related to a David Green Born 1785 in nc? He was married to > a Temperance Dowdy Green They then came to Marshall Co. Tn They had 8 > children. one was my g grandfather Benjamine Washington Green He was > married to a Nancy Shaw. They had 10 Children one was my grandmother > Nannie Green Neely. She married a George Taylor Neely. > Thanks helen@usit.net

    10/18/1998 11:22:03
    1. [GREEN-L] Re: Stroud / Green Connection.
    2. In a message dated 98-10-18 22:28:29 EDT, you write: << Hello Tom, I believe we have communicated before in my search for Ruth Green who was married to George Parsons prior to 1765. I would be happy to see if I can help you with the Stroud line. Could you give me some names to start with >> Hi Krys, Yes, I recall that we talked before, and I have a little info on a Ruth Green, but no connection with George Parsons. You probably know that Ruth Green, born August 18, 1751 in Groton, Ma. married Ephriam Lawrence on May 25, 1776. Ruth was the daughter of William Green and his wife Ruth Colburn. Ephriam Lawrence was the son of Peleg Lawrence and I have seen the name "Peleg" in some Green families. Hope this helps you in some way. My William Green mentioned Peter Stroud in his pension application, and a Peter Stroud married Rebecca Green, born September 2, 1791. I don't think this was the same Peter Stroud, but probably the same family. Rebecca Green Stroud was the daughter of Elijah Green born about 1752 probably in Ireland, and he was PROBABLY the brother of my William Green, born February 6, 1762 in Prince Edward County, VIrginia. Rebecca Green Stroud had a sister called Rosie Green who also married John Stroud, born 1785, and he was the brother of Peter Stroud. Peter and John Stroud were the son of Jesse and Naomi Stroud, and the father of Jesse was named Peter Stroud, born before 1737, who was probably the Peter Stroud mentioned in the pension application of my William Green. Hope this helps, Tom Green

    10/18/1998 05:03:46
    1. [GREEN-L] ERROR 404
    2. Noel Chenoweth
    3. When you get an ERROR 404 from the GREENSKEEPERS database it probably means you bookmarked someone on GENDEX, the file got updated, and your bookmark moved and is no longer valid. Bookmarking on gendex will work until the next file update and then it may fail 404. Regards, N.E. Chenoweth 73 De AL7FL MAIL al7fl@abts.net HOME MENU HTTP://al7fl.abts.net/ DOWNLOAD FTP://al7fl.abts.net/

    10/18/1998 01:13:45
    1. [GREEN-L] LESTER West Virginia
    2. I've recently uploaded my LESTER information to my homepage. The LESTER information is for my cousin's husband's ancestry and was provided by a third party. Since this is not my ancestry, I'm not actively researching the name but want to share this information with those who might be able to use it. The information starts with William Calvin LESTER (1770-?). Related lines include the BELCHERs and GREENs. My homepage is at: http://members.aol.com/wbdillon/wa3scw.htm Regards Bill Dillon (my DILLONs are from California)

    10/18/1998 01:33:26
    1. [GREEN-L] GREEN West Virginia
    2. I've recently uploaded my GREEN information to my homepage. The GREEN family is my cousin's husband's ancestry and starts with Jahu GREEN (1859-1930). Since this is not my ancestry I'm not actively researching this name but want to share the information with those who might be able to use it. Related families include the BELCHERs and LESTERs. My homepage is located at: http://members.aol.com/wbdillon/wa3scw.htm Regards Bill Dillon (my DILLONs are from California)

    10/18/1998 01:29:20
    1. [GREEN-L] RE: Solame Green
    2. J L RIDLEY
    3. Hi everybody, I'm still looking to identify and get some dates for the family of Angelina Ziegenfuss Green. The latest information is that her father was Solame [sic] Green of Bethleham, Pa. Don't have a clue when he was born, but he must have died sometime between 1825-30, probably around Northampton Co, PA. Someone in our family thought they'd heard that he might have been Jewish. Still don't know his wife's first name, but her surname was Ziegenfuss, she too is believed to have died near Northampton Co., PA. ANY information would be appreciated, including suggestions on how to proceed from here! I've even gotten desparate enough to use the search engines to locate every Ziegenfuss I could get my hands on to query them. So far, no claimers. Thanks, Jan ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

    10/16/1998 05:00:06
    1. [GREEN-L] passenger list
    2. This appeared on another list and since there are several Greens on it, I thought I pass it on. Pat --------------------------------------- Passengers of the "Ark" and the "Dove" The following list is taken from Series II, "Register of Maryland's Heraldic Families," by Alice Norris Parran, 1938, [the passenger list through the research of Mrs. G. W. Hodges]. This book has been advertised lately, possibly a reprinting, but hopefully indexed! p. 73-74: "Ark" and "Dove" Nov. 22nd, 1633 Record Mar. 25th 1634 ...The twenty Gentlemen with Gov. Leonard CALVERT, and his brother, George CALVERT, Commissioners -- Sir Thomas CORNWALLEYS, Jerome HAWLEY Esq. Richard GERRARD - Knight Baronet, s/o Sir Thomas GERRARD, Lord Baron of Byrne. Lady WINTOUR'S two sons: Edward and Frederick WINTOUR Sir Thomas WISEMAN'S son, Henry WISEMAN, Esq. Nicholas FAIRFAX (d. enroute) Thomas BECKWITH, Esq. Dr. John BRISCOE- Surgeon, and Henry BRISCOE Father Andrew WHITE, a priest whose Journal of the Vayage and Colonization is very remarkable. Mrs. Ann COX-(wid. evid sister of Richard GERRARD, K. B. She later m. Thomas GREEN. Had issue). Mr. John SAUNDERS, partner of Sir Thomas CORNWALLEYS, who was to supervise his 12 servants. But he died enroute (his wife and ch. are found in MD, 1644. Mr. Henry GREEN, Gent. Priest-ANTHAM or ALTON Mr. John BAXTER, Gent. Mr. Wm. ANDREWS-wife, Anne. Mr. Richard COLE Mr. Richard DUKE Many of the passengers were sons of relations who were indentured for their passage. They are found in lists following. Matthew BURROWES Edward CRANFIELD Wm. ASHMORE Thos. ALLEN John ASHMORE Wm. ANDREWS Jas.BAREFOOT(d.enroute) Wm. EDWIN John BOWLTER Richard BRADLEY John BRYANT Ralph BEAN Henry BISHOP Henry BRISCOE Wm. BROWNE Thomas BECKWITH Anem BENDIN Christopher CARNOT Mrs.Ann COX(nee Gerard) Thomas CHARINGTON Thomas COOPER John CURKE John CARLE Edward CRANFIELD Richard COLE Richard DUKE Thomas DARNALL Peter DRAPER Henry GREEN Thomas GRINSTON(GRIGSON) Thomas HEATH John HALFHEAD Nicholas HARVEY Thomas HODGES John HOLLIS/HOLLOWES Benjamine HODGES James HOCKLEY Richard HILLS John HILLIERD Thomas HARRINGTON John HILL William WHITEHEAD Richard EDWARDS John ELKIN Robert EDWARDS Cuthbert FENWICK Lewis FREEMAN William FITTER Thos. GERVAIS, priest Father ALTHAM Stephen GORE John GAINES Richard GILBERT John HOLDEN Mary JENNINGS Josias JENNINGS Henry JAMES Richard KENTON Samuel LAWSON Rich. LOWE(master of Ark) Richard LUSTHEAD Roger MORGAN John MARLBOROUGH Thomas MINUS Charles MIDDLETON John MEDCALF Fra MALCHET John NELVILL Joan PORTER Richard NEVILL Richard ORCHARD John PRICE Michael PERRILL Henry DARREL John SAUNDERS Thomas PRICE Nicholas PERRIE Robert PIKE Lodwick PRICE John PRICE Mr. ROGERS(?) Francis ROGERS Francis RABNETT John ROBINSON John WARD Evans WATKINS Roger WALTER James THORBTON Richard THOMPSON Mathias TOUSA Father Andrew WHITE Capt. Robert WINTOUR Robert SMITHSON John THOMSON John SAUNDERS Wm. SMITH A. SMITH Thomas SMITH (had wife, Jane, daus: Jane & Gertrude) Wm. SAIRE Mathias SOUSA Samuel SOUSA Robert SIMPSON Thomas STRATHAM Robert SHIRLEY Stephen SAMNAN Mr. Robert SMITHSON John THOMPSON James THORNTON Rich. THOMPSON Matthais TOUSA (mulatto) Capt. Robt. WINTOR, Master of Ark (with Capt. Rich. LOWE) Henry WISEMAN,of Thos. Roger WALTER Evans WATKINS John WARD(wife Dameris) Matthais ZAUSE

    10/16/1998 03:41:56
    1. [GREEN-L] Joseph Green of Va., In., Ky.
    2. M Hughes
    3. Hi everyone, Joseph Green (son of James) b. 1767 Augusta, Va. m. Amelia Mathews 1794 d. 1814 in Ky. Children: Mary b. 1795, James, Solomon b. 1799, Sarah , John, Agnes b. 1802, Harvey b. 1804, William b. 1806, Mahala b. 1808, and Elizabeth b. 1811--all but one child born in Ky. ( Ten kids and Amelia lived to be 76. Says a lot about tough pioneer women ;) Does anyone have any of these Greens in their family? I'm trying to connect them to my William Green in Tn. Marna ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

    10/16/1998 03:36:12
    1. Re: [GREEN-L] Re: Lewis Green and the Bear.
    2. In a message dated 98-10-15 10:06:06 EDT, DavidTGreen@usa.net writes: << I have been quite busy lately - - but still manage to check my favorite board everyday. I saw the below listed post, and one other, and thought that I would throw my two bits worth in to the pot. Then nuncupative will of Lewis A. Green Sr. was recorded in Davidson County, Tennessee (Nashville) on 4 April 1785 by Lewis' daughter Sarah Green Payne. So the August 6, 1785 death date can not be accurate!!!! The Lewis Green associated with the Henry Green Family of what became Mecklenburg County, VA was placed for guardianship with none other than William Wills Green - - seemingly after Henry Green died. In my opinion, this Lewis Green has been "reported" as the son of William Wills Green, but is not in fact. This Lewis Green later moved to Granville County, North Carolina - - and then on over to Raleigh, Wake County, North Carolina where he became a wealthy man - - beginning with hotels and taverns and a great deal of land. Until Later; David T. Green >> Hi David, Good to hear from you! I know you have been busy with the swings in the stock market. Hope things are calming down for you. We need your help with something REALY important!! (Just Kidding) I knew you would be able to add to the information on this Lewis Green, as you have far more knowledge than I on this family. Have you been to connect him with the other Lewis Green family we have talked about? >From the info about this Lewis Green that fought the bear, he may have lived in Jersey Settlement, so could be related to the Jeremiah Green family. What do you think? Tom Green

    10/15/1998 05:22:44
    1. Re: [GREEN-L] Re: Lewis Green and the Bear.
    2. In a message dated 98-10-15 03:09:35 EDT, you write: << This message and the other one you sent in regard to Larry Herrin's message gives Lewis Green marrying Elizabeth Lauderdale. Do you have anything that would indicate when and where such a marriage took place? I checked a book on the Lauderdale family in the TN Archives and I purchased a genealogy of the Lauderdale family this summer. Neither book indicates any connection between the Green and Lauderdale families. I would appreciate any info you can supply. Lewis Green got a land grant south of the Dan River, and bordering the NC line. This grant is the eastern point of the city of Danville, VA today. He was probably living there when the bear attack took place. >> Hi Charles, I was hoping you would see my messages on Lewis Green, and I want to thank you for sending me the booklet you compiled on the bear attack. I love the old stories, and this one is great! I do not have any documentation regarding the Lewis Green who married Elizabeth Lauderdale, but here is what I have collected from what others have posted. I show Lewis A. Green was born about 1710 (some say 1724) in Prince George County, Virginia and served in the French Indian War with Capt. Robert McKenzie's company from Dinwiddle County, Virginia. He married Elizabeth "Sarah" Lauderdale the daughter of James Maitland Lauderdale before 1750 baised on the ages of their oldest daughter, Nancy Green, born about 1750, who married Peter Hutchinson. I show that Lewis Green died August 6, 1785 in Washington County, Virginia (Now Tennessee). Their son, Lewis Green, Jr. born May 5, 1751 married Ester Kilgore. They also had a son named Zachariah Green, born 1760 in Fincastle, Virginia who married Sarah McKain. Zachariah Green is mention in a footnote in your booklet as a son of Lewis Green who fought the bear. The only other info I have is the names of their other children. Hope this helps in some way. Do you think we have the correct Lewis Green? Tom Green

    10/15/1998 04:48:02
    1. [GREEN-L] GREEN, SHAW, MCNEILL, STEWART
    2. Jeff Reimert
    3. I posted this before, but my McNeill information was incorrect. I think I have everything in order now. If anyone can fill in any dates on these GREEN, SHAW, STEWART, or MCNEILL surnames, it would be greatly appreciated. Also, if anyone finds incorrect data, please let me know. Ancestors of William Campbell Green FIRST GENERATION 1. William Campbell GREEN1,2 was born in 1834.2 He was a Physician in 1873 in Jasper, Walker County, AL.1 photostatic or Xerox copy of "License" dated January 22nd 1873 to "--transact business as a Physician at Jasper " in Walker County, Alabama. The license was issued to W.C. Green in posession of Clyde Elton Harwell He died in 1910.2 SECOND GENERATION 2. Thomas R. GREEN2 was born in 1803. He died in 1860. 3. Jennet SHAW2 was born between 1815 and 1818. Date is estimated to allow Jennet SHAW to be both the daughter of Jennet McNEILL and the mother of William Campbell GREEN.... I AM CURRENTLY SEARCHING FOR EXACT DATES She died after 1870. Thomas R. GREEN and Jennet SHAW had the following children: 1 i. William Campbell GREEN. THIRD GENERATION 4. John B. GREEN2. John B. GREEN had the following children: 2 i. Thomas R. GREEN. 6. Dushee SHAW2,3. 7. Jennet MCNEILL2 was born between 1800 and 1802. date is assumed. Carolina Scots shows Grisella and Neil as having a son, Archibald in 1805 and a daughter, Caroline in 1808. Jennet is not listed in this book. The information linking Jennet to Grisella and Neil came from a researcher on the Cape Fear Scots e-mail list (Rootsweb.com) that has been doing McNeill research for 30 years: JuraMcNeil@aol.com I have given her a birth date that would make her the first child, because if she was born after 1808, it would be impossible for her grandchild, William Campbell GREEN to be born in 1834 I AM CURRENTLY SEARCHING FOR THE EXACT DATE. Dushee SHAW and Jennet MCNEILL had the following children: 3 i. Jennet SHAW. FOURTH GENERATION 14. Neil MCNEILL4,5 was born in North Carolina. Clan MacNeil ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Motto: Vincere vel mori - "To conquer or die" (MacNeil of Barra). Badge: A rock. Tartan: There are two Clan Macneil tartans recognized by the Chief of the Clan, who by custom and in Scotland by law, determines what the clan tartans or clan tartans are. These are: 1. Macneil of Barra . The tartan of the Macneils of Barra is the familiar black, green, and blue tartan with narrow alternating white and yellow (encased in black) stripes. (Donald C. Stewart, the Setts of the Scottish Tartans, No. 166.) This has been that standard Macneil of Barra tartan for well over a century. 2. Macneil of Colonsay. The tartan of the Macneils of Colonsay, which has also been in use for a very long period is somewhat similar, but has two white stripes quite close together rather than alternating yellow and white equidistant stripes (Stewart No. 168) The Clan MacNeil claims descent from "Niall of the Nine Hostages", King of Ireland who settled in Barra about 1040 and founded the Scottish Clan Niall or MacNeil. However it was not until 1427 that Gilleonan MacNeil received from Alexander, Lord of the Isles a charter of the island of Barra and the lands of Boisdale in South Uist. After the downfall of the Lordship in 1493, they were confirmed by James IV in favour MacNeil of Barra (Modern) of Gilleonan MacNeil of Barra, but from then the MacNeils of Barra and those of Gigha acted quite independantly; the former becoming allies of the MacLeans of Duart and those of Gigha following the MacDonalds of Islay and Kintyre. The seat of the chiefs of Barra was at Kisimul Castle on a rock at the South of Barra where they lived in a great manner, trumpeting the end of their dinners from the tower. In 1688, Roderick MacNeil was "out" with Bonnie Dundee for King James VII and after the '45 Roderick 39th chief and "Dove of the West" was imprisoned for his Jacobite sympathies. General Roderick MacNeil of Barra was the last of the direct line having sold Barra in 1838. The history of the MacNeils of Colonsay is less stable. Torquil McNeil of Taynish and Gigha was keeper of Castle Sween in 1449, his grandson, Neil had two sons, Neil of Taynish and John Og ancestor of Colonsay. Donald McNeil descendant of John Og acquired Colonsay and Oronsay from the Duke of Argyll in 1700 in exchange for Crerar. This line then went onto buy the lands of Gigha in 1780 that had been repurchased by Hector of the Taynish line from Campbell of Cawdor in the late 16th century. In the early 19th century the islands prospered under a new form of crofting but were later sold to pay off debts. Kisimul Castle has been restored to a habitable condition and is the seat of the present chief of the Clan MacNeil of Barra, Professor Ian R. MacNeil, who lives in America. The representative of the Colonsay MacNeils is Alexander Carstairs McNeill, a resident of New Zealand. A lot of family names which originated here are not tied to one particular area as such. There are Cunninghams from Scalpay but also from Ayrshire. McDonalds are scattered in small groups throughout the Highlands and Islands. Morrisons are everywhere. Those of the Clan MacNeil, however, are tied intrinsically to the island of Barra and can trace their lineage back to the O'Neils of Ulster who came to Barra from Ireland around the turn of the last millennium. There are also McNeils (generally spelt "MacNeill" there) on the Inner Hebridean islands of Colonsay and Gigha who, while paying allegiance to the Barra chieftain, have their own crest and tartan. These two branches of MacNeils supported different sides in the feud that developed in the 1400s between the MacDonalds and MacLeans. Barra MacNeils sided with the MacLeans of Duart and the Gigha/Colonsay MacNeils with the MacDonalds of Islay. These differences of opinion are generally forgotten today, though centuries ago they would have happily killed one another (and did). When Niall (Neil) of the Nine Hostages became High King of Ireland in 379, he also became the first clan chief of the clan that would be known by his name. His son, Eoghan, was baptized by St. Patrick. The fourth chief, Muirceartach, gave the Stone of Destiny to his grand-uncle Fergus, King of Dalriada, Scotland. The High Kingship of Ireland passed largely from father to son from 379 until 1033, when the 20th chief, Aodh Aonrachan, resigned the kingship to his brother, Domhnall. The 21st chief, Neil of the Castle, had moved to Barra three years earlier, and began construction of Kisimul Castle in Castle Bay. Construction was continued by the 22nd chief, Aodh, and completed by the 23rd chief, Donald, and is one of the oldest of its type in Britain. It is the ancestral seat of the MacNeils and has been a keystone to both the family and island since construction began. The 25th chief, Neil MacNeil, was the first in a series of famous and infamous chieftains, and fought with King Alexander III to finally defeat the Norse at the Battle of Largs in 1263. His son, Neil Og MacNeil, the 26th chief, fought with Robert the Bruce against Edward II at the Battle of Bannockburn in 1314. The MacNeils have a long history of seamanship, both honest and dishonest. The 35th chief, Ruari (Roderick) MacNeil, became known as "Ruari the Turbulent" and was basically a pirate who, after raiding ships, retreated safely to Kisimul. In 1610 he was forcibly deposed by the Government, imprisoned in Edinburgh, succeeded by his son, Neil Og MacNeil, and eventually exonerated of piracy by King James VI. During the 1715 uprising, the 38th chief, Roderick Dhu, led the MacNeil clan into battle on the side of the Jacobites. After the second rebellion, Redcoats landed on Barra in their search for Charles Edward Stuart. The 39th chief, Roderick, Dove of the West, was arrested in 1746 and taken, via Inverness, to London. Not until May, 1747 was his discharge ordered, and he was free to return home. The 40th chief, Roderick the Gentle, fought in several battles of the American Revolution. In 1838, the 41st chief, Roderick the General, was forced to sell the island of Barra due to financial hardship, and 800 years of direct MacNeil rule finished. The clan chiefs had been a mixed bunch, and the clansmen of Barra had a similarly mixed time. However, the end of MacNeil rule coincided with the time when the Clearances began. The people of Barra, and countless MacNeils, were forced to emigrate. In 1937 most of Barra and Kisimul was purchased by Robert Lister MacNeil, a descendant of the 41st chief, and an American citizen. After nearly 100 years, Barra was back in the hands of the MacNeils, and Robert Lister MacNeil spent the rest of his life restoring Kisimul. Today his son is Clan Chief Ian Roderick MacNeil of Barra, 46th Chief of Clan Neil. The next chief in line lives in Hong Kong, and his first-born son is half Chinese. 15. Grisella STEWART6,7 was born in 1771 in North Carolina.8 Neil MCNEILL and Grisella STEWART had the following children: 7 i. Jennet MCNEILL. FIFTH GENERATION 28. Archibald MCNEILL9,10 immigrated in 1739 to North Carolina. Archibald accompanied his parents on the "Thistle" He died in 1801 in Cumberland Co., NC. He was born in Argyll, Scotland. Archibald McNeill who married Jenny Bahn Smith was from an estate called Scribbling, in Kintyre, Argyle just above Campbeltown He was married to Jennet "Jennie Bahn" SMITH about 1748 in North Carolina. 29. Jennet "Jennie Bahn" SMITH11 was born in 1728/29 in Scotland. She immigrated in 1739 to North Carolina. She was with her parents on the "Thistle" She died in 1791 in Cumberland Co., NC. Jennie Bahn means Jennie the Fair in Gaelic. Jennie Bahn is notes as being a remarkable woman. She helped to amass large portions of land, perhaps some 20,000 acres, and is said to have driven cattle to Philadelphia, where tradition has it that she met Benjamin Franklin. During the Revolutionary War, her entire family (except for one son) were all of Loyalist sympathies. She is said to have driven horses away into the swamps from the presence of Continental Army Officers in order to keep them from being confiscated. A descendent, Paul Green, wrote a play about her entitled "The Highland Call". Archibald MCNEILL and Jennet "Jennie Bahn" SMITH had the following children: 14 i. Neil MCNEILL. 30. Robert STEWART12. 31. Negalena MCNEILL13 was born in 1740 in North Carolina. Robert STEWART and Negalena MCNEILL had the following children: 15 i. Grisella STEWART. SIXTH GENERATION 56. Daniel "Taynish" MCNEILL14 immigrated in 1739 to North Carolina. He established himself near Brown Marsh Church in Bladen County, NC, where it is said that he managed his plantation, "Tweedside". He landed in the Port of Brunswick in September 1739 on the 'Thistle" with approximately 350 other Scottish Immigrants. They had sailed in July from Campbeltown, Argyll, Scotland following a recommendation of a committee of leading citizens. An advance trip, encouraged by Governor Gabriel Johnston, also a Scot, had occurred in 1736. Free land grants and exemption from taxation for a set time period were the incentives that were designed to counter the dismantling of the tacksmen system and a depression in cattle prices in Scotland. He died after 1774. Stewart: One of his descendants was "Whistler's Mother" painted by her son James McNeill Whistler. Stewart also states that Daniel survived until at least 1774. He was born in Argyll, Scotland. Daniel is said to have had many children by his two wives It is believed that Archibald is the son of Daniel and his first wife, whose name is not yet known. His second wife's name was Margaret McTavish. Another of Daniel's sons was Col Hector McNeill, who was the British officer in the Revolutionary War who captured Hillsboro, NC with David Fanning in Sep 1781. Daniel also held land on Gigha Island in Scotland (Ardminish Farm on its eastern shore facing Kintyre). Daniel "Taynish" MCNEILL had the following children: 28 i. Archibald MCNEILL. 58. John SMITH15 was born about 1700 in Knapdale, Argyll, Scotland. He immigrated in 1739 to North Carolina. He landed in the Port of Brunswick in September 1739 on the 'Thistle" with approximately 350 other Scottish Immigrants. They had sailed in July from Campbeltown, Argyll, Scotland following a recommendation of a committee of leading citizens. An advance trip, encouraged by Governor Gabriel Johnston, also a Scot, had occurred in 1736. Free land grants and exemption from taxation for a set time period were the incentives that were designed to counter the dismantling of the tacksmen system and a depression in cattle prices in Scotland. He died before 17 Mar 1749 in Cumberland Co., NC. He was married to Margaret GILCHRIST about 1717 in Scotland. 59. Margaret GILCHRIST16 was born between 1702 and 1704 in Scotland. She died about 1739 in North Carolina. She is said to have died on the way up river from Brunswick to upper Cape Fear after arriving on the "Thistle" with her family. John SMITH and Margaret GILCHRIST had the following children: 29 i. Jennet "Jennie Bahn" SMITH. 60. Dugal STEWART17 immigrated in 1739 to North Carolina. He landed in the Port of Brunswick in September 1739 on the 'Thistle" with approximately 350 other Scottish Immigrants. They had sailed in July from Campbeltown, Argyll, Scotland following a recommendation of a committee of leading citizens. An advance trip, encouraged by Governor Gabriel Johnston, also a Scot, had occurred in 1736. Free land grants and exemption from taxation for a set time period were the incentives that were designed to counter the dismanteling of the tacksmen system and a depression in cattle prices in Scotland. He was born in Argyll, Scotland. 61. Margaret THOMPSON18 was born in Argyll, Scotland. Dugal STEWART and Margaret THOMPSON had the following children: 30 i. Robert STEWART. 62. Neil Dubh MCNEILL19 was born about 1699 in Ardelay, Scotland. Alma McKethan McBride puts his date of birth as 1680, in Scotland...other sources say 1699 which makes since because his daughter, Negalena was born in 1740.....THE DATE HAS NOT BEEN PROVED He immigrated in 1739 to North Carolina. He landed in the Port of Brunswick in September 1739 on the 'Thistle" with approximately 350 other Scottish Immigrants. They had sailed in July from Campbeltown, Argyll, Scotland following a recommendation of a committee of leading citizens. An advance trip, encouraged by Governor Gabriel Johnston, also a Scot, had occurred in 1736. Free land grants and exemption from taxation for a set time period were the incentives that were designed to counter the dismanteling of the tacksmen system and a depression in cattle prices in Scotland. Neil was one of the committee members. He died about 1749 in North Carolina. Stewart, in "The North Carolina Settlement of 1739": Neil McNeill of Ardelay in Gigha['s]...wife was Grizel Campbell, a cousin of Kilduskland and of Hector's [McNeill of Losset] widow...sold Ardelay in 1738 to John McLachlan in Daill in Islay." Here it is stated that Neil was dead by 1749. He was a Tavern Keeper in Brunswick County, North Carolina. Dubh is Gaelic for black or swarthy. Neil was considered to be wealthy 63. Grisella CAMPBELL20 was born in Auchendarroch, Scotland. Grissella was considered to be a lady of wealth Neil Dubh MCNEILL and Grisella CAMPBELL had the following children: 31 i. Negalena MCNEILL. SEVENTH GENERATION 112. Neil MCNEILL21 was also known as Neil of Taynish. He was born in Argyll, Scotland. Neil was the last chief of the name to hold the old family property of Taynish (on the western coast of the Argyllshire mainland.) Neil had two wives. After his first wife, Elizabeth Campbell died, he married Margaret Campbell, eldest daughter of George Campbell of Airds, a sept of the House of Cawdor. 113. Elizabeth CAMPBELL22. Neil MCNEILL and Elizabeth CAMPBELL had the following children: 56 i. Daniel "Taynish" MCNEILL. 124. Hector MCNEILL23 was born in Ardelay, Scotland. Hector is said to have controlled the valuable lands of Ardelay in Gigha 125. Elizabeth MCTAVISH24 was born in Dunardry, Scotland. Hector MCNEILL and Elizabeth MCTAVISH had the following children: 62 i. Neil Dubh MCNEILL. 126. Captain Archibald CAMPBELL25 was born in Auchendarroch, Scotland. Captain Archibald CAMPBELL had the following children: 63 i. Grisella CAMPBELL. EIGHTH GENERATION 226. Alexander CAMPBELL26 was born in Auchenbrech, Scotland. He was also known as Commissar of the Isles. Alexander CAMPBELL had the following children: 113 i. Elizabeth CAMPBELL. 250. Donald MCTAVISH27 was born in Dunardry, Scotland. Donald MCTAVISH had the following children: 125 i. Elizabeth MCTAVISH. SOURCES 1. Clyde Elton HARWELL, Jr.. GEDCOM from Elton. Personal knowledge and research from Elton. Clyde Elton HARWELL, Jr., Dallas, TX, 1998. 2. Glena Green [glenagre@tvec.net]. E-mail correspondence regarding family papers and records in her posession. Glena Green [glenagre@tvec.net]. 3. http://www.ancestry.com. http://www.ancestry.com. 4. http://www.rootsweb.com. SHAW mailing list. 5. Douglas F. Kelly with Caroline Switzer Kelley. Carolina Scots - An historical and genealogical study of over 100 years of emigration. 1729 Publications Dillon, S.C. 800-204-2506. Page 149. 6. http://www.rootsweb.com. SHAW mailing list. 7. Douglas F. Kelly with Caroline Switzer Kelley. Carolina Scots - An historical and genealogical study of over 100 years of emigration. 1729 Publications Dillon, S.C. 800-204-2506. Page 149. 8. Ibid. Page 149. 9. Ibid. Page 149. 10. http://www.rootsweb.com. Cape Fear Scots Mailing Lists -- CAPE_FEAR_SCOTS-L@rootsweb.com. 11. Douglas F. Kelly with Caroline Switzer Kelley. Carolina Scots - An historical and genealogical study of over 100 years of emigration. 1729 Publications Dillon, S.C. 800-204-2506. Page 149, 161, 162. 12. Ibid. Page 148. 13. Ibid. Page 148. 14. Ibid. Page 161-163. 15. Ibid. Page 158. 16. Ibid. Page 158. 17. Ibid. Page 148. 18. Ibid. Page 148. 19. Ibid. Page 147, 148. 20. Ibid. Page 147, 148. 21. Ibid. Page 161-163. 22. Ibid. Page 161-163. 23. Ibid. Page 147. 24. Ibid. Page 147. 25. Ibid. Page 147. 26. Ibid. Page 161-163. 27. Ibid. Page 147. Jeff Reimert, MCSE - Landata Systems, Inc. Technical Services Technical Analyst - Desktop & Mobile Computing Infrastructure Ext. 8524

    10/15/1998 01:59:44
    1. [GREEN-L] Greens
    2. Helen Ferguson
    3. I have just now subscribed so I am a novice at this. My grandmother was a Green , Nannie . Here are the Greens that I have David, Lydia, Benjamine,Mathias, Elizabeth, Nancy, William,Lewis, Robert,John, Sarah, Richard, Mary, Andrew, Benjamine , Lyman , Thomas , Sidney, and Nannie Most of these came from Nashville then on to North West tn. If I can help let me know. helen@usit.net

    10/14/1998 09:39:06
    1. [GREEN-L] Re: Lewis Green and the Bear.
    2. In a message dated 98-10-14 19:10:03 EDT, you write: << Lewis' story can be found in the Draper manuscripts. He lived, moved on to Washington Co., VA and then traveled to the Cumberland Settlements. He died in 1784 in present-day Metcalfe Co. Ky at Wisdom at the Big Blue Springs. I've been there and there are several stones. mostly field stones and illegible. Lewis was born ca 1724 per mathematics from his F & I War info. He lived in the part of Lunenburg Co., VA that became Mecklenburg Co. He was associated with the Henry Green family there. Henry was from Christ Church Parish in Prince George Co. and Lewis was a common name there. I, however, do not yet know his father, but suspect that he was related to the Andersons since the A. middle initial that he had was the same as his grandson: Lewis Anderson Green. Larry Herrin >> Hi Larry, Thanks very much for the additional info on Lewis Green. I have a copy of the Draper info compiled by Charles A. Barker in 1995, and have enjoyed reading about the bear attacking Lewis Green, and his survival. I do have a little info on Lewis Green, born about 1710 in Prince George County, Virginia, died August 6, 1785 in Washington County, VA. (now Tennessee). Lewis Green married Elizabeth Lauderdale in about 1750, and she died in Davidson County, Tennessee. Their children were: Nancy, Lewis, Elizabeth, Janes, Thomas, Zachariah, Sarah, John, Jesse and Jeremia Green. I have not done any research on this family, but only collected the above info from the internet. Does this match with what you have on the family? Tom Green

    10/14/1998 06:03:54