I have a Willis GREEN who was my gggrandfather who had a brother named Lewis GREEN. I do not have much information on my Willis. Do you have more on this or can you send me the website where I can read the remainder? Thanks, donna :o)

Kentucky Circuit Court Records-7th Circuit, Book V, Page 316,317 (1821-1824)Suit, John Green Heirs vs James Fisher Hrs & Samuel Boone [Sr] HrsPart II, Subpoena recordUpon which bill the following subpoena in Chancery was issued to wit (LS)The United States of America to the Marshall of the District of Kentucky.Greetings. You are hereby again commanded to Summon William Logan and PollyLogan his wife, James Logan and Hester his wife, William H. Rainey andMargaret Rainey his wife and Robert Rainey and Nancy Rainey his wife heirsand representatives of James Fisher deceased, Edward C. Payne and DanielMcCarty, Payne and Asbury, Mary Bradley, wife of Leonard K. Bradley, RogerJones and Rebecca his wife, Elizabeth White, Polly Brooks, James Proffitand Leviceshia his wife David Montgomery and Salley his wife and ThomasBoone, Samuel Boone, Squire Boone, Ira Boone, Darland Boone, Polly Boone,Nancy Boone, Isaac Boone, Hickerson Boone, Levi Boone, J Cockerill andSusan Cockerill his wife, John Curley and Lucy his wife and N. Grubbs andCynthiana his wife children and heirs of Squire Boone one of the heirs ofSamuel Boone the elder and Edward Boone, Susannah Boone, Caroline Boone,and Robert Franks and Hannah Franks his wife the children and heirs of[left blank] Boone Son of said Samuel dec'd all of whom are citizens of theState of Kentucky, Morgan Thompson, Priscilla Thompson, Nancy BooneThompson, Thomas Thompson, and Nelly Thompson also citizens of the State ofKentucky to appear before the Judges of our seventh Circuit Court of theUnited States in an for the Kentucky District at the Capitol in Frankforton the first Monday in November next to answer a supplemental bill ofrevisor exhibited against them by Patsey Green, William Green, John Smith,John Smith and Eleanor Smith his wife and Duff Green, John Green, JamesBarbour and Letitia Barbour his wife, Benjamin F. Edwards and Eliza Edwardshis wife Ann W. Green and Martha E. Green, Lewis Green, Sarah L. Green,infants under the age of twenty one by John Green their next friend heirsand representatives of John Green deceased- and this they shall in no wiseomit under the penalty of four hundred dollars and have then there thiswrit- In Testimony whereof John Marshall esqr Chief Justice of the SupremeCourt of the United States hath caused the seal of our said Court to behereunto affixed this 11th day of May 1821 and of our independence theforty fifth- Attest, John H. Hanna CCCKDMarshall Returns vizt: Executed on William Logan 9th July James Logan 3rdJuly on his wife 5th July on William H. Rainey 3rd July on his wife 5thJuly on Daniel McCarty Payne and Henry Asberry 3rd July on Mary Bradley andon Roger Jones & wife 4th July on Thomas Boone 7th September on DiadamaBoone 4th August and John Gurley and wife Same day and on Susanna andCaroline Boone 17th June 1821 & Robert Rainey and wife, James Proffit &wife, David Montgomery & wife, Edward Boone, and Robert Franks & wife arenot inhabitants of the District of Kentucky, Elizabeth White and PollyBrooks not found-James Coleman Jr D for John T. Mason M.K.CExecuted on Edward Payne 14th July 1821Chapmen Coleman D for John T. Mason,MExecuted on Squire Boone, Ira Boone, Samuel Boone, Polly Boone, NancyBoone, Isaiah Boone, Hickerson Boone, Levi Boone, J. Cockerill and wife andN., Grubbs and wife the 3rd 4th and 5th days of October 1821. MorganThompson not found, neither is he an inhabitant of this State. Nancy BooneThompson has departed this life.Benj R. Pollard Dm for John T. Mason MKDExecuted on Priscilla Thompson and Nelly Thompson now Nellie English,Thomas Thompson not found.A.P. Cox Dm for John T. Mason M.K.D.And afterwards to wit at the November term of the court aforesaid and yearone thousand eight hundred and twenty three until which time this cause wascontinued came the Summoning complainants by their counsel and Suggestedthe death of Willis Green one of their sd complainants an infant under theage of 21 years and on his motion it is orderd that this cause standrevised in the names of the Surviving Complainants.And afterward to wit at the May term of the court aforesaid and year1824....[rest not copied] ------------------------- This I found in the archives, does anyone connect with?

All records received from 1st Evangelical Lutheran Church, Carlisle, Cumberland, PA- I need a researcher! 0 David Green Sr b: 29 FEB 1796 d: 6 MAY 1867 son Jonathan Green b.1776? + Mary b: 1 OCT 1791 d: 5 JUL 1872 John Wesley Green b. 1814 1David Green Jr. b. 1816 1Elizabeth Green b. 1818 1Mary Green b. 1820 1Sammuel Green b. 1822 1 Daniel Green b. 1825 1William Green b. 1827 1Ann Geen b. 1830 1Martha Green b. 1834 2 David Green Jr b: 18 SEP 1816 d: 6 MAY 1867 + Rachael E. Peffer b: 3 JUL 1816 d: MAR 1901 3 unkChild Green 3 John A. Green b: 1841 3 William Franklin Green b: 11 SEP 1842 d: 16 JUN 1902 + Nancy Lee Doner b: 6 NOV 1841 d: 7 APR 1914 4 Emergy George Green b: 14 SEP 1868 4 Ida May Green b: 10 FEB 1871 4 David Irvin Green b: 29 SEP 1872 4 Alice Josephine Green b: 17 NOV 1877 4 Charles Wesley Green b: 15 NOV 1882 4 Lee William Green b: APR 1887 3 Daniel W. Green b: 1845 d: 1919 + Rebecca Hoover 3 Mary B. Green b: 18 DEC 1847 d: 5 FEB 1856 3 Martha Green b: 1849 3 Samuel Green b: 1850 + Elizabeth 3 Andrew Green b: 1852 + Marietta Howard 3 Sarah Green b: 14 JAN 1854 d: SEP 1925 + George Anderson 3 May E. Green b: 26 JAN 1855 d: 5 NOV 1880 3 Amanda Green b: 1858 3 Henry Green b: 9 SEP 1858 d: 16 MAY 1939 + Mary Weber b: 6 MAR 1864 d: 1949 4 Jesse Earl Green b: 12 JUN 1884 + Kate Zimmer 5 Edna Green 5 Harlan Green 4 Frank Green b: 4 APR 1886 d: 7 JUN 1957 + Lillie Albertine Jane Manske b: 1 JUL 1883 d: 3 SEP 1979 5 Howard Frank Green b: 17 MAY 1904 d: 15 OCT 1997 + Edna Bonderud b: 30 JAN 1908 6 Milton Green b: 22 MAY 1927 d: 18 SEP 1928 6 Donald Keith Green b: 28 MAR 1930 + Barbera Buckley 7 Richard Keith Green b: 12 SEP 1951 + Kitty Weber 8 Meghan Marie Green b: 20 JUN 1983 + Guilda Early 8 Richard Keith Green Jr. b: 13 SEP 1970 + Patricia Castile b: 21 JUN 1942 7 Colleen Ellen Green b: 23 OCT 1960 + Lester W. Everest b: JUL 1956 8 Tammy Lynne Everest b: 19 MAY 1978 8 Daimion Strat Mason b: 21 MAR 1983 d: 30 MAR 1983 + Nelson Anthony Lopez b: 4 MAY 1959 8 Sarah M. Lopez b: 16 JUL 1992 8 Rachel E. Lopez b: 16 JAN 1994 7 Jeffrey Allen Green b: 1961 d: 1962 7 Andrea Marie Green b: 20 APR 1964 + Jeff Politte 8 Zachary Politte 8 Elliote Politte + Joyce Dorthy Rau b: 18 APR 1942 d: AUG 1999 7 James John Green b: 26 JUL 1968 5 Marlin "Babe" Green b: 24 OCT 1907 d: 21 FEB 1975 + Laura Mae Wohl b: 12 AUG 1912 d: 18 MAR 1978 6 Gilbert Green b: 4 JUN 1931 + Janice Landers + Shirley Spice 6 Darlene Green b: 26 FEB 1933 + Robert Leslie Carr b: 11 NOV 1933 d: 26 MAR 1997 6 Elaine Kay Green b: 10 AUG 1935 + Rick Antele + Louis McCulloch 6 Judy Ann Green b: 1 JUL 1939 + Clayton Eugene Raffleson b: 9 MAY 1937 d: 13 MAR 1999 4 Raymond Green b: JUL 1887 4 Nellie Green b: FEB 1889 + Richard Miller 4 Ralph Green b: JUL 1890 + Leora Warner 4 Mabel Green b: NOV 1891 + Trahan 4 Elmer Green b: JAN 1900 2 Elizabeth GREEN b: 14 OCT 1818 2 Mary GREEN b: 8 SEP 1820 d: 13 AUG 1884 2 Samuel GREEN b: 10 DEC 1822 2 Daniel GREEN b: 14 APR 1825 2 William GREEN b: 21 SEP 1827 2 Ann Green b: 21 JUN 1830 2 Martha GREEN b: 10 JUN 1834 d: 8 OCT 1903 + John Snavely b: 19 AUG 1833 d: 1914 3 Micheal David Snavely b: 1854 3 William Henry Snavely b: 1855 3 Ira Archabald Snavely b: 1858 3 John Lincoln Snavely b: 1861 3 Moses Mark Snavely b: 14 APR 1863 --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online at Yahoo! Greetings.

Help I am trying to find my "Green" roots. It is said they were Penn Dutch which is German of course. However, wouldn't the name be Gruhn then? I am willing to pay a reasonable fee for a researcher to see if they can find anything further on the ancenstry of my Green's prior to David Green Sr b. 1796. all of my early Green records came from the 1st Evangelical Lutheran Church, Carlisle, Cumberland, Penn. in the 1850's they went by covered wagon out to Iowa. I need the earlier connections, help please! Colleen Lopez [email protected] 0 Jonathan Green b. aprx 1776 where? 1 David Green Sr b: 29 FEB 1796 d: 6 MAY 1867 + Mary b: 1 OCT 1791 d: 5 JUL 1872 2 John Wesley GREEN b: 6 SEP 1814 d: 25 JUL 1895 2 David Green Jr b: 18 SEP 1816 d: 6 MAY 1867 + Rachael E. Peffer b: 3 JUL 1816 d: MAR 1901 3 unkChild Green 3 John A. Green b: 1841 3 William Franklin Green b: 11 SEP 1842 d: 16 JUN 1902 + Nancy Lee Doner b: 6 NOV 1841 d: 7 APR 1914 4 Emergy George Green b: 14 SEP 1868 4 Ida May Green b: 10 FEB 1871 4 David Irvin Green b: 29 SEP 1872 4 Alice Josephine Green b: 17 NOV 1877 4 Charles Wesley Green b: 15 NOV 1882 4 Lee William Green b: APR 1887 3 Daniel W. Green b: 1845 d: 1919 + Rebecca Hoover 3 Mary B. Green b: 18 DEC 1847 d: 5 FEB 1856 3 Martha Green b: 1849 3 Samuel Green b: 1850 + Elizabeth 3 Andrew Green b: 1852 + Marietta Howard 3 Sarah Green b: 14 JAN 1854 d: SEP 1925 + George Anderson 3 May E. Green b: 26 JAN 1855 d: 5 NOV 1880 3 Amanda Green b: 1858 3 Henry Green b: 9 SEP 1858 d: 16 MAY 1939 + Mary Weber b: 6 MAR 1864 d: 1949 4 Jesse Earl Green b: 12 JUN 1884 + Kate Zimmer 5 Edna Green 5 Harlan Green 4 Frank Green b: 4 APR 1886 d: 7 JUN 1957 + Lillie Albertine Jane Manske b: 1 JUL 1883 d: 3 SEP 1979 5 Howard Frank Green b: 17 MAY 1904 d: 15 OCT 1997 + Edna Bonderud b: 30 JAN 1908 6 Milton Green b: 22 MAY 1927 d: 18 SEP 1928 6 Donald Keith Green b: 28 MAR 1930 + Barbera Buckley 7 Richard Keith Green b: 12 SEP 1951 + Kitty Weber 8 Meghan Marie Green b: 20 JUN 1983 + Guilda Early 8 Richard Keith Green Jr. b: 13 SEP 1970 + Patricia Castile b: 21 JUN 1942 7 Colleen Ellen Green b: 23 OCT 1960 + Lester W. Everest b: JUL 1956 8 Tammy Lynne Everest b: 19 MAY 1978 8 Daimion Strat Mason b: 21 MAR 1983 d: 30 MAR 1983 + Nelson Anthony Lopez b: 4 MAY 1959 8 Sarah M. Lopez b: 16 JUL 1992 8 Rachel E. Lopez b: 16 JAN 1994 7 Jeffrey Allen Green b: 1961 d: 1962 7 Andrea Marie Green b: 20 APR 1964 + Jeff Politte 8 Zachary Politte 8 Elliote Politte + Joyce Dorthy Rau b: 18 APR 1942 d: AUG 1999 7 James John Green b: 26 JUL 1968 5 Marlin "Babe" Green b: 24 OCT 1907 d: 21 FEB 1975 + Laura Mae Wohl b: 12 AUG 1912 d: 18 MAR 1978 6 Gilbert Green b: 4 JUN 1931 + Janice Landers + Shirley Spice 6 Darlene Green b: 26 FEB 1933 + Robert Leslie Carr b: 11 NOV 1933 d: 26 MAR 1997 6 Elaine Kay Green b: 10 AUG 1935 + Rick Antele + Louis McCulloch 6 Judy Ann Green b: 1 JUL 1939 + Clayton Eugene Raffleson b: 9 MAY 1937 d: 13 MAR 1999 4 Raymond Green b: JUL 1887 4 Nellie Green b: FEB 1889 + Richard Miller 4 Ralph Green b: JUL 1890 + Leora Warner 4 Mabel Green b: NOV 1891 + Trahan 4 Elmer Green b: JAN 1900 2 Elizabeth GREEN b: 14 OCT 1818 2 Mary GREEN b: 8 SEP 1820 d: 13 AUG 1884 2 Samuel GREEN b: 10 DEC 1822 2 Daniel GREEN b: 14 APR 1825 2 William GREEN b: 21 SEP 1827 2 Ann Green b: 21 JUN 1830 2 Martha GREEN b: 10 JUN 1834 d: 8 OCT 1903 + John Snavely b: 19 AUG 1833 d: 1914 3 Micheal David Snavely b: 1854 3 William Henry Snavely b: 1855 3 Ira Archabald Snavely b: 1858 3 John Lincoln Snavely b: 1861 3 Moses Mark Snavely b: 14 APR 1863 --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online at Yahoo! Greetings.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YmZ.2ACEB/1231.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Dora I have very little information on the Hicks that was why when I seen your posting that you might be able to fill me in.My Gr Gr Grandfather William George Ross McClard married in Cape Co. MO in March of 1859 Martha Elizabeth Whitworth. Martha's gr mother Martha Ann Hicks Whitworth was born in 1785 and her mother was Mary Ann Hicks born in 1765. I have Mary Ann's will which is in Wilson Co Tn in 1803. But I have no husband for her or where she came from. I have seen where some Hicks were in VA about the time of Mary Ann's birth. I'm not sure if this is her married name or not. I could assume that it was but I'd like to know for sure. You know what happens when ya assume things at times. Not always the best to do. I do know that there were some Greens in TN, Al cause a friend of mine is researching the Greens. So I have looked from time to time for him. I have no clue if Mary Ann had any sisters or brothers or where she came from. I'm at a loss here. Any information would be! helpful. Does any of these names that I mentioned look fimilar to you? I'm sorry I can't be of much help on the Greens but if ya like email me at [email protected] and I will get you in touch with my friend who is doing research on the Green's. Thanks again Karen ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Hicks Cawvey Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YmZ.2ACEB/1231.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Do you know who is Nancy HICKS that is listed on 1850 census page 411 of Oregon Co. MO with fam. 231. with the Jacob and Rebecca (Hicks) Cawvey family? It shows her as age 21 and b. in KY. Who are her parents? Is she related to Rebecca (Hicks) Cawvey who was b. ca 1824 in Bond Co. IL to Marvel and Marthena (Henson) Hicks/Hix? Where was she prior to 1850 census? What happened to her after 1850 Census? I've asked Who. What and Where, and told you When. So better finish this and give you a chance to tell me Why. Thanks for any info. Dora ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YmZ.2ACEB/1231.1.2.1 Message Board Post: Thank you! ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YmZ.2ACEB/1231.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I will check my information and see if this might help. I am in MO so if I can help let me know. I appreciate the quick response. Merry Christmas and may all your hopes and dreams come true in 2002. Karen ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Hicks Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YmZ.2ACEB/1231.1.2 Message Board Post: Forgot to answer your question about Bond Co. It is in Central part of IL. Dora ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Hicks, Greene Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YmZ.2ACEB/1231.1.1 Message Board Post: Sarah Hicks Greene was in TN when her 13th child was born in 1811. She was in IL when the 14th child was b. in 1813. All of the family I know about is Sarah and Marvel, who both came to IL and died there. Others have said that their father was either Thomas or Robert. Marvel is my gr gr gr grandfather, I haven't went back to TN in research on him, yet. Not thru in IL yet. After his death, his family went to MO and Ark. Not thru there yet either. Dora ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Mcclard/Craft/Dunn/Whitworth? Hicks Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YmZ.2ACEB/1231.1 Message Board Post: Hi Dora I seen your posting and I don't have the information you are looking for but was wondering if Sarah Hicks could have had a relative that was named Mary Ann Hicks. I have Mary Ann's will that list her daughters but no husband. Mary Ann was in Wilson County Tn when her will was posted in 1803.This is a grandmother of mine that I'd like to learn more about. I didn't realize that there were Hicks in IL. I will look in some of my information to see if I have anything on the Greenes. I know that I have seen some in TN and AL. Have you tried there? Where exactly is Bond CO IL? Have a Merry Christmas Karen ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi James, Your logic makes sense, and I sure wish we could find proof of this family. I have never seen mention that Seagull's father went to Holland on the ship Speedwell, but this could certainly be correct, as the Seperatist, or Pilgrims as we call them, purchased that ship for their travels. Maybe the two older girls were the children of his first wife. All I have seen about these two sisters is the last name of the men they married. Interesting no one has traced their lines, or maybe someone has! As most of us have seen, there was a Thomas Green, age 24 on a ship list of the Speedwell in 1639? from London to Virginia, but no wife or children are shown, and of course the story is that he came from Holland, not London. Wonder if the ship stopped in England on its way and the ship list omitted that the voyage began in Holland? I realize you are busy, but you seem to have obtained information I have not seen, and I am most interested in your opinions and ideas. Hope you have a great Holiday Season! Tom Green ----- Original Message ----- From: james e. wall To: Tom Green Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 4:14 PM Subject: Re: William&MaryQuarterly Article on Seagull Green Family. My best GUESS is that the Seagull's father Thomas may have married his second wife in Holland. I read somewhere that the Thomas GREEN who rode the Speedwell to Holland was not listed as being accompanied by a wife. That researcher seemed to feel it disproved the entire line, whereas I see it fitting in rather well if the 2nd marriage occurs in Holland. I have seen no evidence that they were married in England prior to departure. BUT I also think the Seagull had 2 sisters who were older and three children so quickly seems suspect to me. So I continue to dig. The Myth around the Seagull has the effect of sometimes of obscuring reality I think. The WI historical Society has the Tyler info, the Va history & Biography & the CLAY/GREEN genealogies so I will be able to review all this citied material myself soon. gotta go to work will be in touch happy Holidays! james wall At 09:01 AM 12/21/2001 -0600, you wrote: Hi James, Thanks for the information about the first wife of the father of Thomas "Seagull" Green. I do not recall seeing this info before. Did you find this in a William & Mary Quarterly article? If so, which volume and page did you see this info? Do you think Thomas Green married his second wife, Martha MALONE in England before they left for Holland? I located a 1654 land grant in Lower Norfolk County, Virginia this fall while doing research in the Richmond library which mentions land granted to a Thomas Green on the western branch of the Elizabeth River. Catherine sent me a transcription of the land grant and I located it in the micro-film and we wonder if this could have been Thomas "Seagull" Green or his father's land. This location is not far from Mullberry Island where Martha Filmer's parents lived. We visited both Portsmouth and Ft. Eustace where these pioneers lived on our trip to Yorktown for the celebration on the 220th anniversary of the surrender of the British. The expert who toured us around thinks he knows where Major Henry Filmer is buried, and they are doing some exploration in the area. He thinks he may have found some graves in the area where Major Filmer is thought to have lived. Maybe we can get a DNA sample to check some day. Best Regards, Tom Green [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: james e. wall To: Tom Green Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 1:08 PM Subject: Re: William&MaryQuarterly Generation shift. Margaret WEBB is listed as the first wife of Thomas "the SEAGULL" GREEN's father Thomas, they were married in England (Bobbing Co. Kent, England and it appears she died prior to The SEAGULL's fathers departure from England for Holland. Indications are this was a Catholic family that departed England due to the religious turmoil of the times. james wall At 09:51 AM 12/18/2001 -0600, you wrote: Hi James, Yes, you are correct in that I was not aware of the first wife of the father of Thomas "Seagull" Green being Margaret WEBB. Where did you find this information? Have you seen her name on a ship's list? The WEBB name sounds very familiar, but I can't place it at this time. I have seen the maiden name of Seagull Green's mother as Martha MALONE, but I have not seen any documentation of this name. I have long thought that Seagull Green may also have had two wives and we only know about Martha FILMER, possibly his second wife. This might explain the later children born after 1700. What do you think? Would you mind if we placed our discussion on the GREEN LIST? I know that will cause a large number of messages, but there are several excellent researchers who might be able to help us solve some of these questions on the list. Best Regards, Tom Green ----- Original Message ----- From: james e. wall To: Tom Green Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 11:19 PM Subject: Re: William&MaryQuarterly Tom, This reads like you are not aware of the Seagull's parents. They were Thomas GREEN & 2nd wife Martha unknown (his first wife was Margaret WEBB. They were Catholics who began life in Bobbing, Co. Kent, England before they left with the Pilgrims on their now famous journey to Holland & then America. Perhaps the time inconsistencies occur due to a mix up of the Thomas GREENs? Henry FILMER came to America as a British military officer in 1635 aboard the "John & Ambrose" or John Ambrose. Graduated Cambridge 1631 w/ a MA degree and served in the Va. House of Burgess 1642 per the W&M article among other. He named the plantation "Laus Deo". He was the s/o Edward FILMER & Elizabeth ARGALL. I was aware of the Royalty tie in as the FILMERs are in WEIS' Magna Carta sureties book. Going to keep diggin on this one as I have been alerted that there are articles in the Virginia Magazine of History & Biography on the GREEN family (FILMERs too I think). That is on my must do list with the other 4000 things. All I need are several lifetimes to catch up ! james wall At 06:26 PM 12/17/2001 -0600, you wrote: Thanks James, Yes, I have seen this information, and in fact have a copy of the will of several of the sons of Seagull Green and his wife Martha Filmer. The main problem is that the dates do not match up. It is said that Thomas "Seagull" Green was born on board the ship "Speedwell" in 1635 as his parents were coming to America. I know of no proof of this date, except the ship's list that shows a Thomas Green age 24. Most of the ship's list of that day included the names of the women and children, since either the owner of the ship or someone back in England was to receive 50 acres of land in America for each person they "transported." Lets say the year is correct, then how would a man born in 1635, or even 1649 as some say, have fathered a child born in 1705, some 70 years later?? It is believed that the youngest son, the William Green that married Lucy Clay, was born in 1705, or later! On the other hand, I did find some new information on Major Henry Filmer's daughter Martha Filmer. Major Henry Filmer lived and died on Mulberry Island, where Ft. Eustas is now located, and he is said to have died there in 1671. His wife also signed a court document in 1650 saying that she was 49 years old at the time, making her birth year about 1601. A live time historian is searching for the grave of Major Henry Filmer and he took some of us on a tour of the island when we were there for the Yorktown celebration in October. I realize this is a very slim amount of information, but it does seem to give some credibility to an estimated birth year for Martha Filmer of between 1620 to 1640. As you can see, Martha Filmer Green would have been about 65 years old when her youngest son, William Green was born in 1705. I guess this is possible, but I doubt it really did happen. As you can see there are some problems with the dates in this family, to say the least! By the way, the parents of Major Henry Filmer descended from Royalty, and there is a beautiful brass plaque on there grave. His mother's brother was one of the first Royal Governors of Virginia and he captured Pocahontas and held her hostage for food supplies for the early Jamestown settlers. As you can see, this is a very interesting family and one could easily spend his life researching the various lines of the family. I hope someday to prove a connection to my William Green. Best Regards,

Hi Doris, Hope you have a nice Christmas and a great New Year! Yes, you are correct that we don't know much about yourThomas Green who married Lucy Davis, but we do know the name of his children, and my William Green was not one of them. I found a few more documents about your line on my trip to Virginia this last fall, and will send you the info when I get a chance to go through all the material I obtained on the trip. My SAR and SRT obligations have been keeping me hopping, or should I say marching, since returning from Yorktown, VA and I haven't had a chance to even look ay all the material I found on this trip. Hope you have a great holiday season! Tom Green ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 6:07 AM Subject: Re: [GREEN] Re: William&MaryQuarterly Article on Seagull Green Family. > Sometimes I wonder if "Thomas" was the name of choice for the Green kids---- > my Thomas was born about 1726, lived and died in Pr. Edw Co VA, and had a > large family----married Lucy Davis of P.E.Co.....but still we know next to > nothing about this T.Green.....and not a lot about his descendants. > We know he was in some circles of people who were well recorded, so we tend > to wonder why he wasn't. > > Doris....A Texan in Georgia..... > Still shaking the family tree and > dodging the nuts after 30+ years! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Greene" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 1:33 PM > Subject: Re: [GREEN] Re: William&MaryQuarterly Article on Seagull Green > Family. > > > With all this discussion on Thomas Green's and near the NC border, am > wondering if perhaps more Thomas' might have descended and migrated into NC. > Have traced my lineage to a Thomas Green, b. before 1726, d. abt. 1800, > Duplin Co., NC. We have reviewed three other Green lines in NC (New Hanover > [Anthony, Dr. Samuel], Craven [Furnifold] and Cowan [Jeremiah] Counties) but > have been unable to link to any of those. My Thomas had children Lott, > John, Temperance, Sarah, and Reubin. I came from the Lott clan. > > Here's hoping that some of this might produce a bit of information or an > idea in response. > > Thanks for your consideration. > > Bill Greene > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Green" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 10:01 AM > Subject: [GREEN] Re: William&MaryQuarterly Article on Seagull Green Family. > > > > Hi James, > > > > Thanks for the information about the first wife of the father of Thomas > "Seagull" Green. I do not recall seeing this info before. Did you find > this in a William & Mary Quarterly article? If so, which volume and page > did you see this info? Do you think Thomas Green married his second wife, > Martha MALONE in England before they left for Holland? > > > > I located a 1654 land grant in Lower Norfolk County, Virginia this fall > while doing research in the Richmond library which mentions land granted to > a Thomas Green on the western branch of the Elizabeth River. Catherine sent > me a transcription of the land grant and I located it in the micro-film and > we wonder if this could have been Thomas "Seagull" Green or his father's > land. This location is not far from Mullberry Island where Martha Filmer's > parents lived. We visited both Portsmouth and Ft. Eustace where these > pioneers lived on our trip to Yorktown for the celebration on the 220th > anniversary of the surrender of the British. The expert who toured us > around thinks he knows where Major Henry Filmer is buried, and they are > doing some exploration in the area. He thinks he may have found some graves > in the area where Major Filmer is thought to have lived. Maybe we can get a > DNA sample to check some day. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Tom Green > > [email protected] > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: james e. wall > > To: Tom Green > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 1:08 PM > > Subject: Re: William&MaryQuarterly > > > > > > Generation shift. Margaret WEBB is listed as the first wife of Thomas > "the SEAGULL" GREEN's father Thomas, they were married in England (Bobbing > Co. Kent, England and it appears she died prior to The SEAGULL's fathers > departure from England for Holland. Indications are this was a Catholic > family that departed England due to the religious turmoil of the times. > > > > james wall > > > > > > At 09:51 AM 12/18/2001 -0600, you wrote: > > > > Hi James, > > > > Yes, you are correct in that I was not aware of the first wife of the > father of Thomas "Seagull" Green being Margaret WEBB. Where did you find > this information? Have you seen her name on a ship's list? The WEBB name > sounds very familiar, but I can't place it at this time. I have seen the > maiden name of Seagull Green's mother as Martha MALONE, but I have not seen > any documentation of this name. > > > > I have long thought that Seagull Green may also have had two wives and > we only know about Martha FILMER, possibly his second wife. This might > explain the later children born after 1700. What do you think? > > > > Would you mind if we placed our discussion on the GREEN LIST? I know > that will cause a large number of messages, but there are several excellent > researchers who might be able to help us solve some of these questions on > the list. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Tom Green > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: james e. wall > > To: Tom Green > > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 11:19 PM > > Subject: Re: William&MaryQuarterly > > > > > > > > > > Tom, > > > > > > This reads like you are not aware of the Seagull's parents. > They were Thomas GREEN & 2nd wife Martha unknown (his first wife was > Margaret WEBB. They were Catholics who began life in Bobbing, Co. Kent, > England before they left with the Pilgrims on their now famous journey to > Holland & then America. Perhaps the time inconsistencies occur due to a mix > up of the Thomas GREENs? > > > > > > Henry FILMER came to America as a British military officer > in 1635 aboard the "John & Ambrose" or John Ambrose. Graduated Cambridge > 1631 w/ a MA degree and served in the Va. House of Burgess 1642 per the W&M > article among other. He named the plantation "Laus Deo". He was the s/o > Edward FILMER & Elizabeth ARGALL. I was aware of the Royalty tie in as the > FILMERs are in WEIS' Magna Carta sureties book. Going to keep diggin on > this one as I have been alerted that there are articles in the Virginia > Magazine of History & Biography on the GREEN family (FILMERs too I think). > That is on my must do list with the other 4000 things. All I need are > several lifetimes to catch up ! > > > > > > james wall > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 06:26 PM 12/17/2001 -0600, you wrote: > > Thanks James, > > > > Yes, I have seen this information, and in fact have a copy of the > will of several of the sons of Seagull Green and his wife Martha Filmer. > The main problem is that the dates do not match up. It is said that Thomas > "Seagull" Green was born on board the ship "Speedwell" in 1635 as his > parents were coming to America. I know of no proof of this date, except the > ship's list that shows a Thomas Green age 24. Most of the ship's list of > that day included the names of the women and children, since either the > owner of the ship or someone back in England was to receive 50 acres of land > in America for each person they "transported." > > > > Lets say the year is correct, then how would a man born in 1635, > or even 1649 as some say, have fathered a child born in 1705, some 70 years > later?? It is believed that the youngest son, the William Green that > married Lucy Clay, was born in 1705, or later! > > > > On the other hand, I did find some new information on Major Henry > Filmer's daughter Martha Filmer. Major Henry Filmer lived and died on > Mulberry Island, where Ft. Eustas is now located, and he is said to have > died there in 1671. His wife also signed a court document in 1650 saying > that she was 49 years old at the time, making her birth year about 1601. A > live time historian is searching for the grave of Major Henry Filmer and he > took some of us on a tour of the island when we were there for the Yorktown > celebration in October. I realize this is a very slim amount of > information, but it does seem to give some credibility to an estimated birth > year for Martha Filmer of between 1620 to 1640. As you can see, Martha > Filmer Green would have been about 65 years old when her youngest son, > William Green was born in 1705. I guess this is possible, but I doubt it > really did happen. As you can see there are some problems with the dates in > this family, to say the least! > > > > By the way, the parents of Major Henry Filmer descended from > Royalty, and there is a beautiful brass plaque on there grave. His mother's > brother was one of the first Royal Governors of Virginia and he captured > Pocahontas and held her hostage for food supplies for the early Jamestown > settlers. > > > > As you can see, this is a very interesting family and one could > easily spend his life researching the various lines of the family. I hope > someday to prove a connection to my William Green. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Greene Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YmZ.2ACEB/1232 Message Board Post: This is a bit of a long shot but nothing ventured – nothing gained !!! My name is Nick Greene, living in Bristol, UK and I am seeking anybody who has any knowledge/records of William Batchelder GREENE (b.1851-d.1904) and Sarah Sargent (Austin) GREENE (b.circa 1851-d.1907) – both born in the USA or of their children: - a. Elizabeth Amory Shaw GREENE (b.1886) – Believed to have married Samuel Eliot Morison of Concord, New Hampshire, USA. b. Gladys GREENE (b.1887) – In 1918 was resident in Boston, Mass, USA. c. Elbridge Gerry GREENE (b.1888) – In 1918, he was First Secretary of the American legation in Caracas. d. Quincy Shaw GREENE (b.1891) – Graduate of Harvard in 1916 and killed in First World War and was my grandfather. e. Valerie Constance GREENE (b.1894) – Believed to have married a Frenchman - Jean Richards and was living in Shanghai in China in 1918. I would be very pleased to hear from you. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Hicks/Hix Greene Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/YmZ.2ACEB/1231 Message Board Post: Does anyone have a listing of the Greene Cem in Bond Co. I think Marvel Hicks/Hix is burried there. I do not know his birth or death date, but he died before 1840. He is a brother to Sarah Hicks Greene. I would appreciate having reading from her stone also, as well as that of her husband James Greene. Sarah d. 1 Jan 1846. Also are there any other Hicks bur. there? thank You for any help. Dora P.S. I am not a member of this list. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Mary Ann must have been a popular name as My Grgrandmother was Mary Ann Green, however from TN. Merry Xmas. M.E. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Webster" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 22 December 2001 05:49 Subject: [GREEN] (no subject) > Hi List, > > I'm still looking for Mary Ann Green, b.6 Feb 1813, NJ or NY, d. 4 Jan > 1892, Tescott, KS. > > She married Asahel (Acel) Webster, 8 Feb 1838 in Delaware Co, NY. > > Their children; Thomas J.; John Martin: Willard Whitman; Calfernia > Celestia; Nathan Thompson; Emery Parker (my ggfather); Mary Ann. > > Any help, it's Christmas you know. > > Larry Webster > CO > >

Hi List, I'm still looking for Mary Ann Green, b.6 Feb 1813, NJ or NY, d. 4 Jan 1892, Tescott, KS. She married Asahel (Acel) Webster, 8 Feb 1838 in Delaware Co, NY. Their children; Thomas J.; John Martin: Willard Whitman; Calfernia Celestia; Nathan Thompson; Emery Parker (my ggfather); Mary Ann. Any help, it's Christmas you know. Larry Webster CO

In a message dated 12/22/2001 2:03:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << Daniel >> I have a Boston Evening Transcript page copied from NEHGS. This person was asking about the birth place of Abigail Green. I would contact NEHGS for a copy of this page if you want the full article. The reply was very lengthy but it comes down to this: *5569 1. Lynde, Green. F.M.S., May 24, 1916. "The first son of James and Deliverance (Potter) Green was James, Jr., who married Mary Jones. They had 7 sons and 3 dau. The 4th son was Elisha, who was the father of another James, who married first, Freelove Burlingame, by whom he had 5 sons; his second wife was Nancy Clark, by whom he had 3 daus. The first son of Elisha and Freelove was Daniel, who was probably b. in Providence, RI about 1747, married Rebecca Barton, and they removed to Claremont, NH in 1783, and had 3 sons and 8 daus. He d. in Claremont Nov. 3, 1815, aged 69, and you may look for Abigail Green as being one of the 8 daus of the above Daniel. The oldest son of Daniel and Rebecca Barton, his wife, was another James, b. March 20, 1779, 'probably in Claremont, NH' who m. Jan. 2, 1803, Mercy Nelson. She was b. Mar. 2, 1780. They moved to Waterbury, VT where they lived and died, and had 4 sons and 3 daus."

First Census, 1790, of NH shows Daniel Green in Claremont, Cheshire County. 2 FWM males 16+, 3 FWM under 16 and 7 females. Bartons are not listed of Claremont. Daniel doesn't show up in the listing "NH in 1776."

Sometimes I wonder if "Thomas" was the name of choice for the Green kids---- my Thomas was born about 1726, lived and died in Pr. Edw Co VA, and had a large family----married Lucy Davis of P.E.Co.....but still we know next to nothing about this T.Green.....and not a lot about his descendants. We know he was in some circles of people who were well recorded, so we tend to wonder why he wasn't. Doris....A Texan in Georgia..... Still shaking the family tree and dodging the nuts after 30+ years! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Greene" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [GREEN] Re: William&MaryQuarterly Article on Seagull Green Family. With all this discussion on Thomas Green's and near the NC border, am wondering if perhaps more Thomas' might have descended and migrated into NC. Have traced my lineage to a Thomas Green, b. before 1726, d. abt. 1800, Duplin Co., NC. We have reviewed three other Green lines in NC (New Hanover [Anthony, Dr. Samuel], Craven [Furnifold] and Cowan [Jeremiah] Counties) but have been unable to link to any of those. My Thomas had children Lott, John, Temperance, Sarah, and Reubin. I came from the Lott clan. Here's hoping that some of this might produce a bit of information or an idea in response. Thanks for your consideration. Bill Greene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Green" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 10:01 AM Subject: [GREEN] Re: William&MaryQuarterly Article on Seagull Green Family. > Hi James, > > Thanks for the information about the first wife of the father of Thomas "Seagull" Green. I do not recall seeing this info before. Did you find this in a William & Mary Quarterly article? If so, which volume and page did you see this info? Do you think Thomas Green married his second wife, Martha MALONE in England before they left for Holland? > > I located a 1654 land grant in Lower Norfolk County, Virginia this fall while doing research in the Richmond library which mentions land granted to a Thomas Green on the western branch of the Elizabeth River. Catherine sent me a transcription of the land grant and I located it in the micro-film and we wonder if this could have been Thomas "Seagull" Green or his father's land. This location is not far from Mullberry Island where Martha Filmer's parents lived. We visited both Portsmouth and Ft. Eustace where these pioneers lived on our trip to Yorktown for the celebration on the 220th anniversary of the surrender of the British. The expert who toured us around thinks he knows where Major Henry Filmer is buried, and they are doing some exploration in the area. He thinks he may have found some graves in the area where Major Filmer is thought to have lived. Maybe we can get a DNA sample to check some day. > > Best Regards, > > Tom Green > [email protected] > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: james e. wall > To: Tom Green > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 1:08 PM > Subject: Re: William&MaryQuarterly > > > Generation shift. Margaret WEBB is listed as the first wife of Thomas "the SEAGULL" GREEN's father Thomas, they were married in England (Bobbing Co. Kent, England and it appears she died prior to The SEAGULL's fathers departure from England for Holland. Indications are this was a Catholic family that departed England due to the religious turmoil of the times. > > james wall > > > At 09:51 AM 12/18/2001 -0600, you wrote: > > Hi James, > > Yes, you are correct in that I was not aware of the first wife of the father of Thomas "Seagull" Green being Margaret WEBB. Where did you find this information? Have you seen her name on a ship's list? The WEBB name sounds very familiar, but I can't place it at this time. I have seen the maiden name of Seagull Green's mother as Martha MALONE, but I have not seen any documentation of this name. > > I have long thought that Seagull Green may also have had two wives and we only know about Martha FILMER, possibly his second wife. This might explain the later children born after 1700. What do you think? > > Would you mind if we placed our discussion on the GREEN LIST? I know that will cause a large number of messages, but there are several excellent researchers who might be able to help us solve some of these questions on the list. > > Best Regards, > > Tom Green > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: james e. wall > To: Tom Green > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 11:19 PM > Subject: Re: William&MaryQuarterly > > > > > Tom, > > > This reads like you are not aware of the Seagull's parents. They were Thomas GREEN & 2nd wife Martha unknown (his first wife was Margaret WEBB. They were Catholics who began life in Bobbing, Co. Kent, England before they left with the Pilgrims on their now famous journey to Holland & then America. Perhaps the time inconsistencies occur due to a mix up of the Thomas GREENs? > > > Henry FILMER came to America as a British military officer in 1635 aboard the "John & Ambrose" or John Ambrose. Graduated Cambridge 1631 w/ a MA degree and served in the Va. House of Burgess 1642 per the W&M article among other. He named the plantation "Laus Deo". He was the s/o Edward FILMER & Elizabeth ARGALL. I was aware of the Royalty tie in as the FILMERs are in WEIS' Magna Carta sureties book. Going to keep diggin on this one as I have been alerted that there are articles in the Virginia Magazine of History & Biography on the GREEN family (FILMERs too I think). That is on my must do list with the other 4000 things. All I need are several lifetimes to catch up ! > > > james wall > > > > > > > At 06:26 PM 12/17/2001 -0600, you wrote: > Thanks James, > > Yes, I have seen this information, and in fact have a copy of the will of several of the sons of Seagull Green and his wife Martha Filmer. The main problem is that the dates do not match up. It is said that Thomas "Seagull" Green was born on board the ship "Speedwell" in 1635 as his parents were coming to America. I know of no proof of this date, except the ship's list that shows a Thomas Green age 24. Most of the ship's list of that day included the names of the women and children, since either the owner of the ship or someone back in England was to receive 50 acres of land in America for each person they "transported." > > Lets say the year is correct, then how would a man born in 1635, or even 1649 as some say, have fathered a child born in 1705, some 70 years later?? It is believed that the youngest son, the William Green that married Lucy Clay, was born in 1705, or later! > > On the other hand, I did find some new information on Major Henry Filmer's daughter Martha Filmer. Major Henry Filmer lived and died on Mulberry Island, where Ft. Eustas is now located, and he is said to have died there in 1671. His wife also signed a court document in 1650 saying that she was 49 years old at the time, making her birth year about 1601. A live time historian is searching for the grave of Major Henry Filmer and he took some of us on a tour of the island when we were there for the Yorktown celebration in October. I realize this is a very slim amount of information, but it does seem to give some credibility to an estimated birth year for Martha Filmer of between 1620 to 1640. As you can see, Martha Filmer Green would have been about 65 years old when her youngest son, William Green was born in 1705. I guess this is possible, but I doubt it really did happen. As you can see there are some problems with the dates in this family, to say the least! > > By the way, the parents of Major Henry Filmer descended from Royalty, and there is a beautiful brass plaque on there grave. His mother's brother was one of the first Royal Governors of Virginia and he captured Pocahontas and held her hostage for food supplies for the early Jamestown settlers. > > As you can see, this is a very interesting family and one could easily spend his life researching the various lines of the family. I hope someday to prove a connection to my William Green. > > Best Regards, > > > >