I am trying to find information on a seaman by the name of A Wheeler who died pre July 1915. His name is on the local parish church war memorial in Flint, Flintshire as is his father William Edmund Wheeler who was kia on 26th March 1917. There is no death report of A Wheeler in the local newspaper but on 2nd July 1915 it was reported that his mother was in court on a charge of stealing where she states she has two sons in the army and had lost one in the navy (her husband had not enlisted yet). William Edmund's death was reported in the newspaper where it also stated "It may be mentioned that the eldest son of Mr and Mrs Wheeler was lost on a vessel which was torpedoed" In the 1901 census the eldest son was Augustus W. Wheeler who was born in Silvertown, Essex in about 1894. His name is not on the CWGC website so how can I find out when he died and his service record. I did a search in the National Archives website but nothing showed up. Why do you suppose the CWGC didn't record his death? Regards Peter

Hello Peter, et al, Peter sometimes with this sort of research you might have to think sideways. Don't fall into the trap of reading a couple of statements and coming to a single conclusion. Sometimes its a case of seeing the trees when your in the middle of the wood. >From the information you have provided below [unless you have some other information not shown here] what makes you think he was in the Royal Navy ?. The [in part] newspaper quote you give: "It may be mentioned that the eldest son of Mr and Mrs Wheeler was lost on a vessel which was torpedoed" Does not mention he was in the Royal Navy. The part where his Mother [in Court] states: "..........in court on a charge of stealing where she states she has two sons in the army and had lost one in the navy......." I served for 25 years in the Army and my Mother would always refer to me as "...........son in the Forces" she never once ever said "in the Army". Could then his mother mean more generally 'at sea' rather than 'in the Royal Navy'. Anyway just a couple of my thoughts might or might not help, be interested to see what some more knowledgeable members than I come up with. Regards Peter Fellowes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Metcalfe" <Peter-redfern@runbox.com> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 7:59 AM Subject: [GREATWAR] Royal Navy death >I am trying to find information on a seaman by the name of A Wheeler who >died pre July 1915. > > His name is on the local parish church war memorial in Flint, Flintshire > as is his father William Edmund Wheeler who was kia on 26th March 1917. > > There is no death report of A Wheeler in the local newspaper but on 2nd > July 1915 it was reported that his mother was in court on a charge of > stealing where she states she has two sons in the army and had lost one in > the navy (her husband had not enlisted yet). > > William Edmund's death was reported in the newspaper where it also stated > "It may be mentioned that the eldest son of Mr and Mrs Wheeler was lost on > a vessel which was torpedoed" > > In the 1901 census the eldest son was Augustus W. Wheeler who was born in > Silvertown, Essex in about 1894. > > His name is not on the CWGC website so how can I find out when he died and > his service record. I did a search in the National Archives website but > nothing showed up. > > Why do you suppose the CWGC didn't record his death? > > Regards > > Peter > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:59:42 +0000 (UTC), "Peter Metcalfe" <Peter-redfern@runbox.com> wrote: >I am trying to find information on a seaman by the name of A Wheeler who died pre July 1915. > >His name is on the local parish church war memorial in Flint, Flintshire as is his father William Edmund Wheeler who was kia on 26th March 1917. War Memorial Committees decided after the war who should be commemorated on local war memorials, and who should not. When researching war memorials, a sight of the proceedings of these committees would help a great deal, but they only seem to have survived in a few cases. Fortunately, Flint seems to be one of the places where some records have survived, and I found the following record on the National Register of Archives database at http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/nra/searches/sidocs.asp?SIR=O52075 ------------------------------------------------------ Reference: GB/NNAF/O52075 Description: County of Flint War Memorial, Flintshire, Clwyd 1 record noted: Scope 1919: personal details card index rel to c10,700 men Repository: Flintshire Record Office Record Reference: D/DM/181 Other reference: see Clwyd RO news summer 1992 -- Flintshire Record Office Contact Details: The Old Rectory Hawarden CH5 3NR Wales Tel: 01244 532364 Email: archives@flintshire.gov.uk Website: http://www.flintshire.gov.uk/archives ------------------------------------------------------ The card index may not give you the answer to your question, but it's crying out to be checked! Forrest -- Forrest Anderson, Edinburgh, Scotland. E-mail: forrest@military-researcher.com Website: www.military-researcher.com Forrestdale Research - Military Genealogical Researcher