On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 00:45:08 +0100, "Ken Lees" <lees.ken@btinternet.com> wrote: >>>I'd agree with all of that, but why was he commemorated on the Thiepval >>>Memorial to the "Missing of the Somme" when he was killed near Cambrai? >>I think I must have missed a post somewhere - where does it say that >>he was killed at Cambrai? >The 55th Division were near Cambrai and felt the full force of the >German counter-attack on 20/11/17. Those killed with no known grave from >the division at this time are commemorated on the Cambrai Memorial, but >not him. Well, I guess he's commemorated on the Thiepval Memorial because more than 30 other members of the same battalion who were killed on the same day are *also* commemorated there! See http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=755566 and http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=773355 etc Thiepval also has a similar number of men from the other two battalions of Brigade (164th Bde, 55th Div) who died on that day - 1/8th Bn, King's (Liverpool Regiment), and 2/5th Bn, Lancashire Fusiliers. An interesting example (because of the name) from the latter battalion is Pte John William Marsden at http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=804691 Name: MARSDEN, JOHN WILLIAM Initials: J W Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Second Lieutenant Regiment/Service: Lancashire Fusiliers Unit Text: 2nd/5th Bn. Age: 28 Date of Death: 20/11/1917 Additional information: Son of John James and Annie Marsden, of 184, Great Western St., Moss Side, Manchester; husband of Alice Davis (formerly Marsden), of "Craiginore," St. George's Avenue, Northampton. F.R.H.S. Organist at St. Clement's Church, Greenheys, Manchester. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: Pier and Face 3 C and 3 D. Memorial: THIEPVAL MEMORIAL In summary, over 100 men from 164th Bde of 55th Div who died on that day are all commemorated on the Thiepval Memorial. 164th Bde was involved in a diversionary attack on the right flank, to the south of Cambrai, and this may have resulted in them being outside the "catchment area" of the Cambrai Memorial. Indeed, the Bn was closer to St Quentin than it was to Cambrai. Or perhaps such "subsidiary operations" as the Official History called them, were not within the remit of the Cambrai memorial. Forrest -- Forrest Anderson, Edinburgh, Scotland. E-mail: forrest@military-researcher.com Website: www.military-researcher.com Forrestdale Research - Military Genealogical Researcher

That seems very odd to me but, as you say Forrest, it may have been due to an arbitrary line of on a piece of paper that made the difference. Especially when members of 165 Brigade, 55th Division were commemorated on the Cambrai Memorial. Ken >>>I'd agree with all of that, but why was he commemorated on the Thiepval >>>Memorial to the "Missing of the Somme" when he was killed near Cambrai? >>I think I must have missed a post somewhere - where does it say that >>he was killed at Cambrai? >The 55th Division were near Cambrai and felt the full force of the >German counter-attack on 20/11/17. Those killed with no known grave from >the division at this time are commemorated on the Cambrai Memorial, but >not him. Well, I guess he's commemorated on the Thiepval Memorial because more than 30 other members of the same battalion who were killed on the same day are *also* commemorated there! See http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=755566 and http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=773355 etc Thiepval also has a similar number of men from the other two battalions of Brigade (164th Bde, 55th Div) who died on that day - 1/8th Bn, King's (Liverpool Regiment), and 2/5th Bn, Lancashire Fusiliers. An interesting example (because of the name) from the latter battalion is Pte John William Marsden at http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=804691 Name: MARSDEN, JOHN WILLIAM Initials: J W Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Second Lieutenant Regiment/Service: Lancashire Fusiliers Unit Text: 2nd/5th Bn. Age: 28 Date of Death: 20/11/1917 Additional information: Son of John James and Annie Marsden, of 184, Great Western St., Moss Side, Manchester; husband of Alice Davis (formerly Marsden), of "Craiginore," St. George's Avenue, Northampton. F.R.H.S. Organist at St. Clement's Church, Greenheys, Manchester. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: Pier and Face 3 C and 3 D. Memorial: THIEPVAL MEMORIAL In summary, over 100 men from 164th Bde of 55th Div who died on that day are all commemorated on the Thiepval Memorial. 164th Bde was involved in a diversionary attack on the right flank, to the south of Cambrai, and this may have resulted in them being outside the "catchment area" of the Cambrai Memorial. Indeed, the Bn was closer to St Quentin than it was to Cambrai. Or perhaps such "subsidiary operations" as the Official History called them, were not within the remit of the Cambrai memorial. Forrest -- Forrest Anderson, Edinburgh, Scotland. E-mail: forrest@military-researcher.com Website: www.military-researcher.com Forrestdale Research - Military Genealogical Researcher ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message