Dear list, Over the past few months I have posted various queries about those listed on the WW1 memorial in Stoke Climsland. Many thanks to all those who have responded. I'm glad to say that I've traced almost all of the men and will be putting the results of my researches onto our Parish website soon. However, I still have one mystery. There is a H.Hartnell or A.M.C.Hartnell listed (we've got 2 memorials - one in the church and the other outside). I can't find any trace of a H.Hartnell and am wondering if it should be A.Hartnell MC. A long shot, I know, but does anyone know where I can get a list of those gaining the MC during WW1? Derrick Parsons

Is it for the US or UK or every place they came from? delilah ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derrick Parsons" <derrick.parsons@btinternet.com> To: "'Derrick Parsons'" <derrick.parsons@btinternet.com>; <GREATWAR@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 4:13 AM Subject: [GREATWAR] Military Cross winners WW1 | | | Dear list, | | Over the past few months I have posted various queries about those listed on | the WW1 memorial in Stoke Climsland. Many thanks to all those who have | responded. I'm glad to say that I've traced almost all of the men and will | be putting the results of my researches onto our Parish website soon. | | However, I still have one mystery. There is a H.Hartnell or A.M.C.Hartnell | listed (we've got 2 memorials - one in the church and the other outside). I | can't find any trace of a H.Hartnell and am wondering if it should be | A.Hartnell MC. A long shot, I know, but does anyone know where I can get a | list of those gaining the MC during WW1? | | Derrick Parsons | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message |

Derrick - Hartnell isn't a common surname - only two in the Officers Died (SDITGW) database, Cuthbert and Edward Bush, - neither with an MC or any other decoration listed. The "closest" in SDITGW (till you look at a map !) is a Herbert Henry born Stoke Gifford in Gloucestershire. Kia 29/3/18, 51836 2/7th West Yorks, formerly 25503 Royal Berks. He seems to be a bit of a mystery in the CWGC database and you may have to contact them in order to finally eliminate him. Any other clues ref your Hartnell ? regards - Tom Tulloch-Marshall WW1 Military Research website - http://www.btinternet.com/~prosearch/index.html

Who wins a Military Cross? Do they have a competition? If a Military Cross is awarded posthumously who is the winner? Jim -----Original Message----- From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Derrick Parsons Sent: 21 September 2007 09:13 To: 'Derrick Parsons'; GREATWAR@rootsweb.com Subject: [GREATWAR] Military Cross winners WW1 Dear list, Over the past few months I have posted various queries about those listed on the WW1 memorial in Stoke Climsland. Many thanks to all those who have responded. I'm glad to say that I've traced almost all of the men and will be putting the results of my researches onto our Parish website soon. However, I still have one mystery. There is a H.Hartnell or A.M.C.Hartnell listed (we've got 2 memorials - one in the church and the other outside). I can't find any trace of a H.Hartnell and am wondering if it should be A.Hartnell MC. A long shot, I know, but does anyone know where I can get a list of those gaining the MC during WW1? Derrick Parsons ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

".................. ----- Original Message ----- Who wins a Military Cross? Do they have a competition? If a Military Cross is awarded posthumously who is the winner? " ........................................................................................................................................ I'm a bit worried about this message, which I assume to relate to the British Military Cross. With some minor (and mainly early issue) exceptions the MC is a prestigious gallantry award and was never the subject of any kind of "competition" or posthumous lottery. A good illustration and brief description of the MC is on the MoD website at > http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceFor/Veterans/Medals/MilitaryCrossmc.htm You will find conflicting references to (the possibility of) posthumous awards on the www, including Wikipedia (does anybody still believe a word in that "database" ????) - but officially the first posthumous MC was awarded to Captain G Hamilton of the Green Howards (SAS) in the London Gazette of 8/10/1982. During WW1 a potential recipient had to be alive at the time of the recommendation. In many cases during WW1, awards of the MC announced in the LG are accompanied by the term "since died/killed in action" in brackets after the name, but these are not posthumous awards - the key word being "since". regards - Tom Tulloch-Marshall WW1 Military Research website - http://www.btinternet.com/~prosearch/index.html