On Fri, 25 May 2007 17:32:09 +1000, "Ray Brindle" <ray@brindle.name> wrote: >Albert Edward Hoskins signed up with the Army Service Corps the day after >war was declared in 1914 and was immediately made a serjeant, a rank he held >to the end of the war. We presume that means he had some sort of previous >service, and I have been told that an AE Hoskins was awarded the Territorial >Force Efficiency Medal in 1912... >The National Archives medals index shows two different AE Hoskins, although >I suspect they are the same man. One is listed as a serjeant, the other as >a corporal. Both have “231” (or T/231) listed as their regiment. Serjeant >Hoskins (my man?) has a second line that has “T4/211746”... I believe the two MIC index entries you are talking about are: ----------------- Description: Medal card of Hoskins, Albert E Corps Regiment No Rank Army Service Corps T/231 Serjeant Army Service Corps T4/211746 Serjeant Date: 1914-1920 Catalogue reference: WO 372/10 Dept: Records created or inherited by the War Office, Armed Forces, Judge Advocate General, and related bodies Series: War Office: Service Medal and Award Rolls Index, First World War ----------------- and ----------------- Description Medal card of Hoskins, A E Corps Regiment No Rank Royal Army Service Corps 231 Corporal Date: 1914-1920 Catalogue reference: WO 372/24 Dept: Records created or inherited by the War Office, Armed Forces, Judge Advocate General, and related bodies Series War Office: Service Medal and Award Rolls Index, First World War Piece: Mentions in Despatches, Meritorious Service Medals and Territorial Force Efficiency Medals ----------------- >1. ...is there any way of telling from the readily-available information if these >two Hoskins men are one and the same? >2. Can anyone tell me more about what T/231 and T4/211746 were, and point me >in the right direction to find out the movements of these units (if that is >indeed what they were). Yes, they appear to be for the same man - the second one has missed off the prefix "T" from his Regimental Number, which is what "Regiment No" stands for. It was a type of employee identification number, and the "T/" prefix indicated he was in the Transport Branch of the ASC, ie horse transport. The first card (which has reference WO 372/10) will give details of his campaign medals, whilst the second card (WO 372/24) belongs to a series devoted to "Mentions in Despatches, Meritorious Service Medals and Territorial Force Efficiency Medals". Cards with this reference normally relate to Mentions in Despatches, and give details of the issue of the London Gazette where the MID was announced, but your mention of the Territorial Force Medal may well mean that it contains details of that medal instead. You should really download images of both cards to see what they say. They cost £3.50 each. One of them may give details of his unit in the Army Service Corps, and then you can try to find details about the movements of that unit. If not, then you could check the campaign Medal Roll(s) - the reference numbers of which are written on the MIC - to see if it is given there. >My mother recalled being taken by her father to some sort of military >stables in the Greenwich-Plumstead area where he seemed to know the men and >the horses. The 1st London Divisional Transport and Supply Column, Army Service Corps (TF) was based at Charles Street in Plumstead. This is probably his most likely unit, given his apparent pre-war Territorial service in the ASC, and the connection to Greenwich or Plumstead. Forrest. -- Forrest Anderson, Edinburgh, Scotland. E-mail: forrest@military-researcher.com Website: www.military-researcher.com Forrestdale Research - Military Genealogical Researcher