Forrest, Your generosity with your time and knowledge never ceases to impress me. Thank you so very much for helping to resolve the conundrum of H G BALDWIN's Army service. As for the link with Skelton-in-Cleveland, I'm hoping the 1911 census might shed some light on that. Only a couple of more years to wait before the first release of that! Once again: many, many thanks. regards, Peter Appleton My Family Tree website: http://www.tribalpages.com/tribes/pappleton3 -----Original Message----- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 22:55:32 +0100 From: Forrest Anderson <listmail@military-researcher.com> Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] H G BALDWIN To: GREATWAR-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <mq1t931e9kk62njne5pkrqr0v4ui6dvtec@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:48:24 +0100, "Peter Appleton" <peter.appleton3@ntlworld.com> wrote: >I am working on a personal project to document as much as I can >about the men whose names are inscribed on the War Memorial that stands on >the village green at Skelton-in-Cleveland (my home village) in north-east >Yorkshire. I have a problem with one H G BALDWIN. >The War Memorial gives just his initials and surname. However, in the parish >church there is a "roll of honour" panel listing the men of the parish who >gave their lives during the Great War. On this he is listed as "Pte H G >Baldwin" under the unit heading of "Army Cyclist Corps". > >My problem is that I cannot find an individual on the CWGC database that >matches all four of his surname, initials, rank and unit. > >CWGC gives me two close "possibles" a Private A BALDWIN 7059 in the Army >Cyclist Corps or a Lance Corporal H G BALDWIN 20319 in 23rd (Tyneside >Scottish) Battalion Northumberland Fusiliers.... If you check the Medal Index Card database at <http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/browse-refine.asp?CatID= 10&searchType=browserefine&pagenumber=1&query=*&queryType=1> for: Last name = Baldwin Corps = Cyclist ...and then go through the 19 results, you'll find this record: ------------------------------------------------------ Medal card of Baldwin, Herbert G Corps Regiment No Rank Army Cyclist Corps 6245 Private Northumberland Fusiliers 20319 Lance Corporal Northumberland Fusiliers 20319 Private ------------------------------------------------------ This is one of your two primary suspects, and since he served in the Army Cyclist Corps, you now have a match to all four criteria. Soldiers Died in the Great War says: 20319 LCpl Herbert George BALDWIN, 23rd Battalion (Tyneside Scottish), Northumberland Fusiliers. Died 12/11/1917, France & Flanders. Born in Newcastle-on-tyne; Enlisted at Newcastle-on-tyne. Note that it says he "died", rather than "killed in action" or "died of wounds", and this often means that it was from natural causes, or as a POW. Sometimes Medal Index Cards are annotated if the soldier was a prisoner, so you might want to download his MIC. Unfortunately there's no explanation of why he's on the Skelton memorial. >I've searched CWGC looking for BALDWINs dying in December 1917 or after >(keeping a particular watch out for any buried in locations that might >possibly be attributable to PoW camps). This search turned up one H J >BALDWIN of the Middlesex Regiment who died on 24 Jan 1921 and is buried in >Cologne Southern Cemetery. Were there any PoW camps in the Cologne area? The problem with Cologne Southern Cemetery is that it is a concentration cemetery for 183 burial grounds elsewhere in Germany. This is where the war dead were gathered from other cemeteries and re-buried in the concentration cemetery. http://www.cwgc.org/search/cemetery_details.aspx?cemetery=34600&mode=1 gives details of Cologne Southern: ---------------- Cologne was entered by Commonwealth forces on 6 December 1918 and occupied under the terms of the Treaty of Versailles until January 1926. COLOGNE SOUTHERN CEMETERY was used during the war for the burial of more than 1,000 Allied prisoners, as well as German servicemen. After the Armistice it was used by the occupying garrison. In 1922 it was decided that the graves of Commonwealth servicemen who had died all over Germany should be brought together into four permanent cemeteries. Cologne Southern was one of those chosen and the following year, graves were brought in from 183 burial grounds* in Hanover, Hesse, the Rhine and Westphalia. There are now 2,482 First World War servicemen buried or commemorated in the Commonwealth plots at Cologne. The total includes special memorials to a number of casualties buried in other cemeteries in Germany whose graves could not be found. The Commonwealth section of the cemetery also contains 132 Second World War graves, mostly those of servicemen who died with the occupying forces. There are, in addition, 676 non-war graves and 29 burials of other nationalities. The COLOGNE MEMORIAL takes the form of panels set inside the north shelter building at the entrance to the Commonweatlh plots in Cologne Southern Cemetery. It commemorates 25 servicemen of the United Kingdom who died in Germany and who have no known grave. Of these, 19 are known to have died as prisoners and their places of burial are not recorded. The other six died after the Armistice by drowning and their bodies were not recovered. * The following cemeteries are among those from which graves were brought to Cologne: AACHEN MILITARY CEMETERY, 197 burials of sailors 1914-1919. BONN (POPPELSDORF) CEMETERY, 133 service and one civilian burial, all of 1919. The 47th General Hospital and the 21st Casualty Clearing Station were posted at Bonn. BUDERICH (FORT BLUCHER) PRISONERS OF WAR CEMETERY, 39 burials of 1914-1919. COBLENZ FRENCH MILITARY CEMETERY, KARTHAUSE, 59 burials of 1915-1918. Coblenz was occupied by United States troops in December 1918. DORTMUND SOUTH-WESTERN CEMETERY, 53 burials of 1914-1918. DUISBURG TOWN CEMETERY, 35 burials of 1914-1919. DULMEN PRISONERS OF WAR CEMETERY, 96 burials of 1915-1918. DUREN NEW TOWN CEMETERY, 79 burials, mostly of 1919. The 11th Stationary Hospital and the 17th Casualty Clearing Station were posted at Duren. DUSSELDORF NORTH CEMETERY, 24 burials of 1915-1918. ESSEN SOUTH-WESTERN CEMETERY, 21 burials of 1917-1918. EUSKIRCHEN NEW TOWN CEMETERY, 75 service and one civilian burials of 1918-1919. The 42nd Stationary Hospital and the 47th Casualty Clearing Station were posted at Euskirchen. FRIEDRICHSFELD PRISONERS OF WAR CEMETERY, 70 burials of 1916-1918. FRIEMERSHEIM CEMETERY, 20 burials of 1918. GELSENKIRCHEN WEST CEMETERY, 21 burials of 1917-1918. GEROLSTEIN MILITARY CEMETERY, 25 burials of 1918. JULICH MILITARY, 39 burials of 1915-1918. MULHEIM-AM-RUHR OLD TOWN CEMETERY, 49 burials of 1915-1918. MUNSTER (HAUSPITAL) PRISONERS OF WAR CEMETERY, 161 burials of 1914-1918. RECKLINGHAUSEN PROTESTANT, CATHOLIC AND SOUTH CEMETERIES, 26 burials of 1916-1918. TRIER TOWN CEMETERY, 48 burials of 1917-1918. --------------------- Forrest -- Forrest Anderson, Edinburgh, Scotland. E-mail: forrest@military-researcher.com Website: www.military-researcher.com Forrestdale Research - Military Genealogical Researcher