SOURCE: WORLD WAR 1 - A VISUAL ENCYCLOPEDIA British Army 662,000 killed 1.65 million wounded ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Wilson" <hugo@actrix.gen.nz> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] GREATWAR Casualty figures | | Here are some figures for deaths compared with the age group total: | | World War One Deaths: from John Costello "Mask of Treachery" (1988) | note 17 page 620-1. Death Rates: from J. M. Winter "World War One and | the British People" (1986): | | Tthe military losses were: | Britain: 723,000 (63 per 1000 males aged 15-49) | France: 1,327,000 (133 per 1000 males aged 15-49) | Germany: 2,037,000 (125 per 1000 males aged 15-49) | | Yours, John Wilson | | > | > I am trying to find accurate figures for | > men who served in WW1 | > men who were killed | > the total male population in 1911 (nearest census to 1914). | > | > So far a trawl of the Internet has thrown up a problem - some information | is given for just England and Wales, other for the whole of the UK and so | on. I need to be able to have some consistency (eg all figures only for | England). | > | > What I am aiming for is to be able to compare the national statistics with | those for one small village in North Yorkshire so I can show whether its | caualty rate was different from the national average. | > | > Does anyone have any ideas about where I can get such information | > | > Sue Laffey | > | | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greetings all, Just further to my reply to Steve re FA for 29th Div. I should just add that for units I added to 29th Div Orbat. These of course are only the main infantry units and not the whole Div strength. Also some of these Inf units joined and left the Div at various times during the war. regards to all Peter Fellowes

Hi Steve, The only information I have found, and you may have this already [if so sorry for repetition]. My terms of reference: 1] Location of Hospitals and Casualty Clearing Stations BEF 1914-1918 Ministry of Pensions. Dated 13 July 1923. 2] Various volumes of Official History of the War Military Operations France and Belgium. The 29th Div had three Field Ambulance: 87th who arrived in France 20 March 1916 former designation FA for 1/1st West Lancs 88th who arrived in France 19 March 1916 former designation FA for 1/1st West Anglian 89th who arrived in France 26th March 1916 former designation FA for 1/1st Highland All three FA arrived with the 29th Div from Egypt. 29th Division. 86th Bde. 2nd Bn, Royal Fusiliers 1st Bn, Lancashire Fusiliers 16th Bn, Middlesex 1st Bn, Royal Munster Fusiliers 1st Bn, Royal Dublin Fusiliers 1st Bn, Royal Guernsey 2/3rd Bn, London Regiment 86th Brigade Machine Gun Company 86th Trench Mortar Battery 87th Bde 2nd Bn, South Wales Borderers 1st Bn, King's Own Scottish Borderers 1st Bn, Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers 1st Bn, Border 87th Brigade Machine Gun Company 87th Trench Mortar Battery 88th Brigade 1/5th Bn, Royal Scots 4th Bn, Worcesters 2nd Bn, Hampshire 1st Bn, Essex 2nd Bn, Leinster The 1st Bn, Royal Newfoundland Regiment 2/1stBn, London Regiment 88th Brigade Machine Gun Company 88th Trench Mortar Battery Hope this might be of some help regards Peter Fellowes ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOHN MORSE" <morse.steve@btinternet.com> To: "GREATWAR-L@rootsweb. com" <GREATWAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 8:26 PM Subject: [GREATWAR] 88 Field Ambulance 20 July 1917 > Hello Each > Is anyone researching 88th Field Ambulance, part of 29th Division. I am > trying to find their location on 19 and 20 July 1917. Or even any > battalions in the 29th. if I can find them I may find the FA. > > Regards > Steve > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Each Is anyone researching 88th Field Ambulance, part of 29th Division. I am trying to find their location on 19 and 20 July 1917. Or even any battalions in the 29th. if I can find them I may find the FA. Regards Steve

I am attempting to take photos of every headstone of the men (over 700) who died in World War 1. I have been concentrating on Belgium and France but have one or two in the UK. As our list live all over the UK, I was hoping (praying) that some kind people could take photos for me. I have the following locations to do- Fulbeck St Nicholas Lincs Norton Cuckney Notts Nottingham General Cem Shirebrook Cem Southampton Hollybrook Eckington Burial Ground Leek Cem Manchester Southern Lowdham St Mary Church Aldershot Military Cemetery Bolsover - 3 men here Duckmanton Church I will of course supply full details and be eternally grateful (probably longer than that!) Hopefully by May next year i will have photos of every mans headstone (Does anyone know of a good bus service to Gallipoli :)) Unless a lister lives there !! Men from the Battalion came from Notts, Derbys, Leics, Lincs and a number of other counties. I can do look up for men who died and served in Leics/Lincs/Notts & Derby Regiments. I have some others and if you check www.ypressalient.co.uk go to library - list of Regiments/Corps I have deaths for. Best regards Steve

Steve: Do we assume you are looking for information on a unit in the BEF? LGS

Many thanks to Steve Morse, Delilah Evans and Len Shurtleff for their replies re New Army and other sources of information on the web. Many thanks especially to Malcolm Moody for his detailed - and fascinating - explanation as to just what a Blacksmith's Striker was and did. regards, Peter Appleton My Family Tree website: http://www.tribalpages.com/tribes/pappleton3

Hello I am trying to find accurate figures for men who served in WW1 men who were killed the total male population in 1911 (nearest census to 1914). So far a trawl of the Internet has thrown up a problem - some information is given for just England and Wales, other for the whole of the UK and so on. I need to be able to have some consistency (eg all figures only for England). What I am aiming for is to be able to compare the national statistics with those for one small village in North Yorkshire so I can show whether its caualty rate was different from the national average. Does anyone have any ideas about where I can get such information Sue Laffey

Greetings, While I have no connection with the subject matter, I am indeed eniched by your explanation. Strange how things once common, are now a great rarity. Thank you fo your comprehensive response. Peter Malcolm Moody wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Please excuse me if I'm misinterpreting your: "My question is: Had >the call for the New Army gone out that quickly after the outbreak of >war? Or am I mis-reading what's in the Rank or Profession column?" > > A blacksmith's striker was an assistant to a master blacksmith, also >frequently an apprentice but it could also be a trade in it's own >right. His job was to wield the heavy hammer and to "strike" the work >at the direction of the master smith. The smith would have his "wrong" >hand employed in holding the work piece in the tongs so he could only >hold a one handed hammer in his "right" hand. The smith would stand on >the forge side of the anvil and position the red hot metal on the >anvil. When it was in the right position he would hit it with his >single handed hammer. The striker's job was to hit the metal in >exactly the same place, and with a strength as indicated by the >strength of the smith's strike. Generally the blows were made in a >sequence with a strict cadence designed to allow the striker to swing >his heavy hammer with a natural rhythm. The smith would end the >sequence by striking the anvil instead of the work. > > If you have ever heard a forge at work this sound is unmistakable >being a rhythm of hammer blows alternating between a higher pitched >"ping" for the smiths guide strike and the heavier "pong" of the >Strikers working blow. In some cases more than one striker would be >employed in which case they formed a circle and "struck" in a sequence >so you would get the smith's "ping" followed by a number of striker >"pongs" etc., etc. A quite unmistakable sound. > > The use of a striker was reserved for heavy work with heavy gauge >pieces of metal and where a significant amount of forging or welding >was to to be done. The making of a horse shoe, for instance, is light >work which can easily be accomplished by a smith alone using his single >handed hammer. I mention this because while smiths were needed in the >"services" branches of the army in the Gt War, the majority were >employed in making horse shoes or doing minor repairs, so that a >striker would not have been required. > > Off the top of my head I can only think that a striker could have been >attached to a central maintenance depot where heavy equipment was taken >for repair. >OR >That the "Blacksmith's Striker" profession was his civilian trade and >had nothing in particular to do with his army position. > > Another piece of useless information culled from a lifetime of >interest in heritage trades and archaic technologies. :-) > > Malcolm > > >Archive CD Books Canada Inc. >President: Malcolm Moody >PO Box 11 >Manotick >Ontario, K4M 1A2 >Canada. >(613) 692-2667 >WEB SITE: http://www.ArchiveCDBooks.ca > > > >>Message: 2 >>Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 18:19:51 +0100 >>From: "Peter Appleton" <peter.appleton3@ntlworld.com> >>Subject: [GREATWAR] New Army - When did the call go out? >>To: <GREATWAR@rootsweb.com> >>Message-ID: >> <20060907172005.FLFI15733.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@L2DLaptop1> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >>Hi everyone, >> >>I'm helping a friend with her family history and she has shown me a >>marriage >>register entry for Francis Fothergill, age 45 whose Rank or Profession >>is >>shown as "Blacksmith's Striker" and then under that what looks like "18 >>Platoon" and then possibly "New Army Durham" >> >>The marriage is dated 13th Sept.1914. >> >>My question is: Had the call for the New Army gone out that quickly >>after >>the outbreak of war? Or am I mis-reading what's in the Rank or >>Profession >>column >> >> > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Hello all Help please.On Grandads medal card I can see that he has the Victory and the British medals.He was in the Royal Field Artillary/105. What I dont understand is that under this is written 'Also on BW.what looks like an FV M.roll and R then {1 letter that I cant make out could be a plus sign }then U. Would anyone have any clue on what this means.He did die 17/12/18 many thanks for any help Hazel

Hi Peter, Please excuse me if I'm misinterpreting your: "My question is: Had the call for the New Army gone out that quickly after the outbreak of war? Or am I mis-reading what's in the Rank or Profession column?" A blacksmith's striker was an assistant to a master blacksmith, also frequently an apprentice but it could also be a trade in it's own right. His job was to wield the heavy hammer and to "strike" the work at the direction of the master smith. The smith would have his "wrong" hand employed in holding the work piece in the tongs so he could only hold a one handed hammer in his "right" hand. The smith would stand on the forge side of the anvil and position the red hot metal on the anvil. When it was in the right position he would hit it with his single handed hammer. The striker's job was to hit the metal in exactly the same place, and with a strength as indicated by the strength of the smith's strike. Generally the blows were made in a sequence with a strict cadence designed to allow the striker to swing his heavy hammer with a natural rhythm. The smith would end the sequence by striking the anvil instead of the work. If you have ever heard a forge at work this sound is unmistakable being a rhythm of hammer blows alternating between a higher pitched "ping" for the smiths guide strike and the heavier "pong" of the Strikers working blow. In some cases more than one striker would be employed in which case they formed a circle and "struck" in a sequence so you would get the smith's "ping" followed by a number of striker "pongs" etc., etc. A quite unmistakable sound. The use of a striker was reserved for heavy work with heavy gauge pieces of metal and where a significant amount of forging or welding was to to be done. The making of a horse shoe, for instance, is light work which can easily be accomplished by a smith alone using his single handed hammer. I mention this because while smiths were needed in the "services" branches of the army in the Gt War, the majority were employed in making horse shoes or doing minor repairs, so that a striker would not have been required. Off the top of my head I can only think that a striker could have been attached to a central maintenance depot where heavy equipment was taken for repair. OR That the "Blacksmith's Striker" profession was his civilian trade and had nothing in particular to do with his army position. Another piece of useless information culled from a lifetime of interest in heritage trades and archaic technologies. :-) Malcolm Archive CD Books Canada Inc. President: Malcolm Moody PO Box 11 Manotick Ontario, K4M 1A2 Canada. (613) 692-2667 WEB SITE: http://www.ArchiveCDBooks.ca > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 18:19:51 +0100 > From: "Peter Appleton" <peter.appleton3@ntlworld.com> > Subject: [GREATWAR] New Army - When did the call go out? > To: <GREATWAR@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <20060907172005.FLFI15733.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@L2DLaptop1> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi everyone, > > I'm helping a friend with her family history and she has shown me a > marriage > register entry for Francis Fothergill, age 45 whose Rank or Profession > is > shown as "Blacksmith's Striker" and then under that what looks like "18 > Platoon" and then possibly "New Army Durham" > > The marriage is dated 13th Sept.1914. > > My question is: Had the call for the New Army gone out that quickly > after > the outbreak of war? Or am I mis-reading what's in the Rank or > Profession > column

There is also The Western Front Association (WFA) with branches and websites in England, the US and Canada. UK: _www.westernfrontassociation.com_ (http://www.westernfrontassociation.com) USA: _www.wfa-usa.org_ (http://www.wfa-usa.org) Canada: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group.wfapacificcoast_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group.wfapacificcoast) and _www.cobwfa.ca_ (http://www.cobwfa.ca) LGShurtleff

Mike: Are you now calling yourself the Great War Historical Society? Len

There is a Great War Historical Society on-line and they put out an e-mail newsletter if you want to go thru that - www.worldwar1.com/tgws/ and the latest newsletter - tha last e-mail from the newsletter person - --- Greetings, The August St. Mihiel Trip-Wire is now on-line at: http://www.worldwar1.com/tgws/smtw.htm Let me give you a heads up for next month. The Trip-Wire will be changing homes and will be a feature of the legendary and groundbreaking Trenches on the Web site founded by the late Mike Iavarone. There will be a slightly different url next month which I will remind you about so you can bookmark it. All the best, Mike Hanlon ------------------------------------------------ Hope this helps: delilah evans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Appleton" <peter.appleton3@ntlworld.com> To: <GREATWAR@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 1:19 PM Subject: [GREATWAR] New Army - When did the call go out? | Hi everyone, | | I'm helping a friend with her family history and she has shown me a marriage | register entry for Francis Fothergill, age 45 whose Rank or Profession is | shown as "Blacksmith's Striker" and then under that what looks like "18 | Platoon" and then possibly "New Army Durham" | | The marriage is dated 13th Sept.1914. | | My question is: Had the call for the New Army gone out that quickly after | the outbreak of war? Or am I mis-reading what's in the Rank or Profession | column | | regards, | | Peter Appleton | | My Family Tree website: http://www.tribalpages.com/tribes/pappleton3 | | | | | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All, I need some help I know Ive asked before,but I guess if you dont keep knocking on doors you wont get anywhere. Its my grandpa EDWARD THOMAS MITCHELL. BORN 1894. Where LONDON FIELDS LONDON. It seems he spent some years in DURHAM GROVE HACKNEY. Married Dec 1926 to ANNIE SUSAN PETERS. His dads name ALBERT EDWARD MITCHELL. I have so very little on him.Ive just spent afew bucks getting hold of these army cards which I down loaded from the net,I got 6 but only 2 have E T MITCHELL I have no idea if one of these is my grandpa.On one where it has corps it says Hgrs 3rd H A group R G A,the other one says 7th Bn R Bde could some body tell me please what these mean and where they where stationed.To get somebody to help me find him cost so much which I cannot afford. Any help please anybody in finding my grandpa. Thankyou jeff footer

Hello The first 100,000 volunteers had already started basic training by September - The 'New Army' 'Kitchener's Volunteers' or Service battalions. The battalion I am researching were the first Sherwood Foresters 'Service Bn and was formed 24 August 1914. The 10 (Service) Battalion Durham Light Infantry was formed 22 August as part of K1 and was part of 43rd Brigade, 14th (Light) Division. He could have been in that. Going by his age, is it possible he was a regular before and came back to train the great unwashed! Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Peter Appleton Sent: 07 September 2006 18:20 To: GREATWAR@rootsweb.com Subject: [GREATWAR] New Army - When did the call go out? Hi everyone, I'm helping a friend with her family history and she has shown me a marriage register entry for Francis Fothergill, age 45 whose Rank or Profession is shown as "Blacksmith's Striker" and then under that what looks like "18 Platoon" and then possibly "New Army Durham" The marriage is dated 13th Sept.1914. My question is: Had the call for the New Army gone out that quickly after the outbreak of war? Or am I mis-reading what's in the Rank or Profession column regards, Peter Appleton My Family Tree website: http://www.tribalpages.com/tribes/pappleton3 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi everyone, I'm helping a friend with her family history and she has shown me a marriage register entry for Francis Fothergill, age 45 whose Rank or Profession is shown as "Blacksmith's Striker" and then under that what looks like "18 Platoon" and then possibly "New Army Durham" The marriage is dated 13th Sept.1914. My question is: Had the call for the New Army gone out that quickly after the outbreak of war? Or am I mis-reading what's in the Rank or Profession column regards, Peter Appleton My Family Tree website: http://www.tribalpages.com/tribes/pappleton3

I've been having some technical problems getting e-mails through to the list. This is just a test. No replies needed. If it doesn't rebound with errors, I'll send the real e-mail in. regards, Peter Appleton My Family Tree website: http://www.tribalpages.com/tribes/pappleton3

Hello The Medal Index Cards - you get six men's index cards on one page. headquarters 3rd heavy artillery group, Royal Garrison Artillery. 7th Battalion Rifle Brigade. Part of 14th (Light) Division and they were formed at Winchester. I checked under Edward T Mitchell and got 6 men. Without knowing for sure if he served in WW1, it would be impossible to find him. Have a look on www.1914-1918.net for more help. Regards Steve -----Original Message----- From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Kathy & Jeff Footer Sent: 07 September 2006 13:35 To: greatwar@rootsweb.com Subject: [GREATWAR] Grandpa Hi All, I need some help I know Ive asked before,but I guess if you dont keep knocking on doors you wont get anywhere. Its my grandpa EDWARD THOMAS MITCHELL. BORN 1894. Where LONDON FIELDS LONDON. It seems he spent some years in DURHAM GROVE HACKNEY. Married Dec 1926 to ANNIE SUSAN PETERS. His dads name ALBERT EDWARD MITCHELL. I have so very little on him.Ive just spent afew bucks getting hold of these army cards which I down loaded from the net,I got 6 but only 2 have E T MITCHELL I have no idea if one of these is my grandpa.On one where it has corps it says Hgrs 3rd H A group R G A,the other one says 7th Bn R Bde could some body tell me please what these mean and where they where stationed.To get somebody to help me find him cost so much which I cannot afford. Any help please anybody in finding my grandpa. Thankyou jeff footer ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Each I have at last been forced into the 21st Century by my son. My new email address is morse.steve@btinternet.com I will keep using the morse49@hotmail.co.uk for the www.ypressalient.co.uk website and keep the old address running for a bit. I will be unsubbing and being reborn soon!!! :)) Regards Steve Researching 9th Battalion The Sherwood Foresters (Notts and Derby Regiment) 1914-1919 www.ypressalient.co.uk People ask me my religion - My religion is kindness.