Hi Sue: The WWI Military Conscription Tribumals in Britain are discussed in "Ancestors" June 2005 by Ian Slocombe. The Tribunals which were set up in 1916 with Conscription could give absolute, conditional or temporary exemption, and were given a "long list of exempt occupations" which was revised from time to time by the government. Grounds for exemption included personal circumstances eg support of family/parents. Or on business grounds for the self-employed and for employers who needed essential workers. "Exceptional hardship" was needed for appeals on personal circumstances. He mentions two workers who were exempted: William Smart, 39, a railway (GWR) wheelwright with a "delicate" wife, and his father and 5 brothers in the Army; & William McGrath, 34, the chief support of his mother as his father had just died. He had an invalid brother and another brother in the Army. Appeals from Conscientious Objectors were a small minority of the appeals. Members of some sects like the Christadelphians and Plymouth Brethren got "almost automatic exemption". But their exemptions were often only from combatant service, so objectors still had to join the forces and take an oath, which they objected to. Yours, John Wilson > > > > I wonder if someone could help me by letting me know if the statement below > > is true. If not, what would the truth be? > > > > Thanks > > > > Sue Laffey > > > > Although not a reserve occupation, as in World War Two, agricultural > > workers could gain an exemption from military service in the Great War. >

Hi Thanks to all listers who have posted replies to my question about whether agricultural workers could gain exemption in WW1. If other listers have specific info about agriculture rather than any other form of exemption I'd still be delighted to hear more. I possibly should have explained that I am trying to find a reason why so few men from a small agricultural community joined up when compared with statistics for the whole country. So far this is the only answer I can come up with. If anyone has better ideas I'd love to hear them! Thanks again Sue Laffey

Hello Saving Private Ryan has a lot to answer! for - A unit tramping around France in the middle of a war looking for one bloke. There are well documented cases of a mother losing all of her sons from - Australia, UK, Canada. My wife's Grandfather and his five brothers all served and although receiving wounds, all came back. It has to be remembered that not everyone wanted to fight, others were in the Derby Scheme, others restricted occupations. To be honest anyone could run the shop so I doubt that would be a reason. I know of a Victoria Cross winner in civvies being given a white feather !, so you needed - Good reason, good excuse, good high powered friends all all of them to get out of serving. Steve JMBecker@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 11/1/2006 1:06:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kbailey@frontiernet.net writes: I can not document this, maybe someone else can, but I was under the impression that it was a long standing tradition to exempt 1 son, so that a family always had an heir and widows might have a son to provide for them. If this man helped his mother run the shop, then he would have been the likely recipient of the exemption. I had a great uncle who never served. On paper he was medically unfit, but he told me that the doctor kept refusing to let him volunteer because all his brothers were already inlisted and his mother needed him at home.... Anyways, I hope this might be helpful. Like I said, I can't confirm this, it's just what I've always heard. Keith Bailey ~ Hi! All four of my English Grandmother's brothers served in WWI and their mother was a Widow. HTHs, Joanne Joanne MAYS BECKER Sleepy Hollow, New York ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Researching 9th (service) Battalion Sherwood Foresters (Notts & Derbys Regiment) during the Great War. www.ypressalient.co.uk People ask me my religion - my religion is kindness - True enlightenment is nothing but the nature of one's own self being fully realised

By the time K2 was called for (28 August 1914) the age was 35 for men without prior service, 45 for ex soldiers and 50 for ex-senior NCOs. It is also possible that men who stayed at home would be in the Derby Scheme. Steve John Chapman <john@purley.demon.co.uk> wrote: In 1914 the maximum age for enlistment was 30. This had gradually been increased to 41 by May 1916 so while he could volunteer he could not be conscripted. It was not until April 1918 that the conscription age was lifted to 56 and all exemptions denied. I have read through many tribunal reports and keeping a shop was regarded as quite a vital occupation especially if it was a food shop. Regards John In message , Peter Metcalfe writes >I am researching the men of my home town who died in WW1 and one family >had nine boys and eight of them fought in the Great War of which two >were killed. > >No one in the family today knows why the ninth never went. His mother >had a shop but it's unlikely that was the reason. Perhaps he was >physically unfit. > >He was forty in 1914 and the second oldest son so his age wasn't the >reason either. > >Their mother received a letter from Buckingham Palace congratulating >her on "having contributed in so full a measure to the great cause for >which all the people of the British Empire are so bravely fighting." > >Peter > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- John Chapman ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Researching 9th (service) Battalion Sherwood Foresters (Notts & Derbys Regiment) during the Great War. www.ypressalient.co.uk People ask me my religion - my religion is kindness - True enlightenment is nothing but the nature of one's own self being fully realised

In 1914 the maximum age for enlistment was 30. This had gradually been increased to 41 by May 1916 so while he could volunteer he could not be conscripted. It was not until April 1918 that the conscription age was lifted to 56 and all exemptions denied. I have read through many tribunal reports and keeping a shop was regarded as quite a vital occupation especially if it was a food shop. Regards John In message <E1GfIBt-00050F-Vf@garm.runbox.com>, Peter Metcalfe <Peter-redfern@runbox.com> writes >I am researching the men of my home town who died in WW1 and one family >had nine boys and eight of them fought in the Great War of which two >were killed. > >No one in the family today knows why the ninth never went. His mother >had a shop but it's unlikely that was the reason. Perhaps he was >physically unfit. > >He was forty in 1914 and the second oldest son so his age wasn't the >reason either. > >Their mother received a letter from Buckingham Palace congratulating >her on "having contributed in so full a measure to the great cause for >which all the people of the British Empire are so bravely fighting." > >Peter > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- John Chapman

That makes sense Keith but in my research I have two families who lost their only son and only two sons. The former was an apprentice to his father's printing business. When he enlisted another young man took his place, who was not related, and the local newspaper reported a number of times his appeal for exemption which was granted every time. I suppose if someone has a mind to enlist there is little can hold him back. Peter

I am researching the men of my home town who died in WW1 and one family had nine boys and eight of them fought in the Great War of which two were killed. No one in the family today knows why the ninth never went. His mother had a shop but it's unlikely that was the reason. Perhaps he was physically unfit. He was forty in 1914 and the second oldest son so his age wasn't the reason either. Their mother received a letter from Buckingham Palace congratulating her on "having contributed in so full a measure to the great cause for which all the people of the British Empire are so bravely fighting." Peter

In a message dated 11/1/2006 1:06:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kbailey@frontiernet.net writes: I can not document this, maybe someone else can, but I was under the impression that it was a long standing tradition to exempt 1 son, so that a family always had an heir and widows might have a son to provide for them. If this man helped his mother run the shop, then he would have been the likely recipient of the exemption. I had a great uncle who never served. On paper he was medically unfit, but he told me that the doctor kept refusing to let him volunteer because all his brothers were already inlisted and his mother needed him at home.... Anyways, I hope this might be helpful. Like I said, I can't confirm this, it's just what I've always heard. Keith Bailey ~ Hi! All four of my English Grandmother's brothers served in WWI and their mother was a Widow. HTHs, Joanne Joanne MAYS BECKER Sleepy Hollow, New York

I can not document this, maybe someone else can, but I was under the impression that it was a long standing tradition to exempt 1 son, so that a family always had an heir and widows might have a son to provide for them. If this man helped his mother run the shop, then he would have been the likely recipient of the exemption. I had a great uncle who never served. On paper he was medically unfit, but he told me that the doctor kept refusing to let him volunteer because all his brothers were already inlisted and his mother needed him at home.... Anyways, I hope this might be helpful. Like I said, I can't confirm this, it's just what I've always heard. Keith Bailey ~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Metcalfe" <Peter-redfern@runbox.com> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] agricultural workers and exemption from WW1 service. >I am researching the men of my home town who died in WW1 and one family had >nine boys and eight of them fought in the Great War of which two were >killed. > > No one in the family today knows why the ninth never went. His mother had > a shop but it's unlikely that was the reason. Perhaps he was physically > unfit. > > He was forty in 1914 and the second oldest son so his age wasn't the > reason either. > > Their mother received a letter from Buckingham Palace congratulating her > on "having contributed in so full a measure to the great cause for which > all the people of the British Empire are so bravely fighting." > > Peter > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I think this particular database applies only to US military as they are listed by state. ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Smith" <airforce@localdial.com> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 6:02 AM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] List of soldiers in WW1 | Is this just American or universal? | | | At 11:41 23/10/2006 -0400, you wrote: | >Had reply from a lady who tells me it is on Ancestry under "Soldiers of the | >Great War" listed by state then alphabetically. Am hoping to hear back from | >her, but unfortunately time has run out for me, needed info by this | >morning...hopefully her reply will help others..... | > Ellen | > | >-----Original Message----- | >From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com | >[mailto:greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of RSCarter@aol.com | >Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 11:24 AM | >To: greatwar@rootsweb.com | >Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] List of soldiers in WW1 | > | > | >If you get the name of the list, I'd like to have it, also. My FATHER was | >in France in WWI when the war ended. I was young when he died, but I | >remember | >him saying that all the 'boys' who could walk, or get out of bed, danced | >and | >shouted, and hollered, when it was announced that the war was over". | > | >I know they kept the 'boys' in France for quite a while, because of the | >epidemic of flu | > | >Shirley in Texas | > | >------------------------------- | >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to | >GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes | >in the subject and the body of the message | > | > | >-- | >No virus found in this incoming message. | >Checked by AVG Free Edition. | >Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/492 - Release Date: 10/23/2006 | > | > | > | >------------------------------- | >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to | GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the | quotes in the subject and the body of the message | > | > | > | Regards | | George. | | George Smith <airforce@localdial.com> | Home Page: http://web.localdial.com/users/airforce | LRFHS Page: http://www.lrfhs.org.uk | Jersey Island Page: http://www.jerseyvirtual.net | Jersey Insight http://www.jerseyinsight.com | Jersey Centenary Battle of Flowers: | http://www.localdial.com/users/airforce/battle.html | | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think it is true, as in WW2 if a family had one brother in the war, and another brother at home, then the brother at home was excempt, they did not want all the sons of a family to be in the war - I think "Saving Private Ryan" is about rescuing one brother of the war when another had died. Not sure they care anymore. delilah ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Hatridge" <James.Hatridge@gmx.de> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] agricultural workers and exemption from WW1 service. | HI Sue et al.. | On Monday 30 October 2006 23:33, Laffey wrote: | > Hello | > | > I wonder if someone could help me by letting me know if the statement below | > is true. If not, what would the truth be? | > | > Thanks | > | > Sue Laffey | > | > Although not a reserve occupation, as in World War Two, agricultural | > workers could gain an exemption from military service in the Great War. | | Don't know about WWI, but in WWII my father-in-law was let out of the German | Army in 1942 when his father died and he had to take over the farm. | | JIM | -- | Jim Hatridge | Here I stand. I can do no other. | Linux User #88484 | ------------------------------------------------------ | WartHog Bulletin | Info about new German Stamps | http://www.fuzzybunnymilitia.org/~hatridge/bulletin/index.php | | Viel Feind -- Viel Ehr' | Anti-US Propaganda stamp collection | http://www.fuzzybunnymilitia.org/~hatridge/collection/index.php | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi List, I hate to correct people but 1837Online have Soldiers Died in the Great War, the National Roll of the Great War and some from WW2 also. These are at http://www.1837online.com look under military records. It is a Pay-per-View site but is reasonable for the info available. Hope this helps a bit. Regards Pete Barker UK

HI Sue et al.. On Monday 30 October 2006 23:33, Laffey wrote: > Hello > > I wonder if someone could help me by letting me know if the statement below > is true. If not, what would the truth be? > > Thanks > > Sue Laffey > > Although not a reserve occupation, as in World War Two, agricultural > workers could gain an exemption from military service in the Great War. Don't know about WWI, but in WWII my father-in-law was let out of the German Army in 1942 when his father died and he had to take over the farm. JIM -- Jim Hatridge Here I stand. I can do no other. Linux User #88484 ------------------------------------------------------ WartHog Bulletin Info about new German Stamps http://www.fuzzybunnymilitia.org/~hatridge/bulletin/index.php Viel Feind -- Viel Ehr' Anti-US Propaganda stamp collection http://www.fuzzybunnymilitia.org/~hatridge/collection/index.php

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Actually, delays in repatriating doughboys from France and Flanders were largely there result of a lack of shipping, the same problem that held up the original deployment in 1917-18. LGS

Hello Presume that if it is by 'state' it is USA. Ancestry have though done a deal with Kew to put on all the WW1 Service records that survive for British. I believe they are scanning them now. I do not know of any other list at present except MIC on line. Steve George Smith <airforce@localdial.com> wrote: Is this just American or universal? At 11:41 23/10/2006 -0400, you wrote: >Had reply from a lady who tells me it is on Ancestry under "Soldiers of the >Great War" listed by state then alphabetically. Am hoping to hear back from >her, but unfortunately time has run out for me, needed info by this >morning...hopefully her reply will help others..... > Ellen > >-----Original Message----- >From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com >[mailto:greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of RSCarter@aol.com >Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 11:24 AM >To: greatwar@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] List of soldiers in WW1 > > >If you get the name of the list, I'd like to have it, also. My FATHER was >in France in WWI when the war ended. I was young when he died, but I >remember >him saying that all the 'boys' who could walk, or get out of bed, danced >and >shouted, and hollered, when it was announced that the war was over". > >I know they kept the 'boys' in France for quite a while, because of the >epidemic of flu > >Shirley in Texas > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/492 - Release Date: 10/23/2006 > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Regards George. George Smith Home Page: http://web.localdial.com/users/airforce LRFHS Page: http://www.lrfhs.org.uk Jersey Island Page: http://www.jerseyvirtual.net Jersey Insight http://www.jerseyinsight.com Jersey Centenary Battle of Flowers: http://www.localdial.com/users/airforce/battle.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Researching 9th (service) Battalion Sherwood Foresters (Notts & Derbys Regiment) during the Great War. www.ypressalient.co.uk People ask me my religion - my religion is kindness - True enlightenment is nothing but the nature of one's own self being fully realised

Is this just American or universal? At 11:41 23/10/2006 -0400, you wrote: >Had reply from a lady who tells me it is on Ancestry under "Soldiers of the >Great War" listed by state then alphabetically. Am hoping to hear back from >her, but unfortunately time has run out for me, needed info by this >morning...hopefully her reply will help others..... > Ellen > >-----Original Message----- >From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com >[mailto:greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of RSCarter@aol.com >Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 11:24 AM >To: greatwar@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] List of soldiers in WW1 > > >If you get the name of the list, I'd like to have it, also. My FATHER was >in France in WWI when the war ended. I was young when he died, but I >remember >him saying that all the 'boys' who could walk, or get out of bed, danced >and >shouted, and hollered, when it was announced that the war was over". > >I know they kept the 'boys' in France for quite a while, because of the >epidemic of flu > >Shirley in Texas > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/492 - Release Date: 10/23/2006 > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Regards George. George Smith <airforce@localdial.com> Home Page: http://web.localdial.com/users/airforce LRFHS Page: http://www.lrfhs.org.uk Jersey Island Page: http://www.jerseyvirtual.net Jersey Insight http://www.jerseyinsight.com Jersey Centenary Battle of Flowers: http://www.localdial.com/users/airforce/battle.html

How do I find the Greatwar-Community please to view these photos? Peter

Hello I wonder if someone could help me by letting me know if the statement below is true. If not, what would the truth be? Thanks Sue Laffey Although not a reserve occupation, as in World War Two, agricultural workers could gain an exemption from military service in the Great War.

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