Dear list, In response to replies to my earlier question about information on a MM winner, I'm trying to trace the exploits of Serjeant Nathaniel Lobb MM, 5818, of HQ Special Brigade, Royal Engineers. He died on 10th March 1917 and is buried at the Longuenesse (St Omer) Souvenir Cemetery. As ever, any information would be appreciated. Derrick Parsons

Derrick, Try the local County Record Office. Each parish with a memorial had a memorial committee. The minutes of the committees have survived in a number of cases. This can give an invaluable insight into how names were chosen and how the memorial was funded. For the one I researched there were also the original plans, which had to be altered because the work was going to be too expensive. Do not be surprised if some of the names appearing on your local memorial appear on other memorials. This was quite common. Check with the County Record Office and main library and local newspapers to see what may be there in terms of reports of deaths and wounded. Again quite a bit of biographical information can be found. However they have to be double checked as we are talking newspapers here! The papers often carried photographs which can be a good source. Some newspapers published a photographic supplement on a weekly basis. Check to see if this applies in your case. Speaking of newspapers, write to the editor of your local paper. They could publish a letter from you saying that you were seeking information and they may do more. I managed to get two articles out of this and a number of people contacted me and were kind enough to lend me some brilliant photographs to copy. Obviously this time of year is a good time to write, with Armistice Day being close. Whilst this may sound obvious, check to ensure that someone hasn't been and done the research before. If there is such research you may well find it in your County Record Office. Whilst it is true that most War Diaries do not mention soldiers killed in action by name, they do sometimes, particularly if there is a gallantry award. War Diaries frequently mention officers killed in action, even the youngest and newest subalterns. War Diaries are at the National Archive at Kew. If that is too far away for you, try a researcher. Compared to the cost of travel and perhaps an overnight stay, their fees are very competitive. There are at least two good researchers who subscribe to this list. If you have any submariners, get in touch with the Submarine Museum. They have a wealth of information and a number of photographs. For "my" submariner for a very modest fee I was provided with a copy of a picture of the crew. I was able to tell them the name of my submariner and identify him in the photograph. I was also provided with a photograph of the submarine. Don't forget Soldiers Died. It is a good resource to check and cross reference with CWGC. I hope that this may give you a few pointers. Best wishes, John Watts Worcester. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derrick Parsons" <derrick.parsons@btinternet.com> To: <GREATWAR@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 6:46 PM Subject: [GREATWAR] Researching WW1 War Memorial > Dear List, > > I am researching the names which appear on the Stoke Climsland (Cornwall) > WW1 memorial. I've just started and intend using sources such as the > CWGC, medal rolls, Canadian attestation papers etc. > > Some listers may very well have gone down a similar path elsewhere before > and I would appreciate any guidance/tips that could be passed my way. > > One basic question that struck me immediately is "who decided on what > names go on the memorial?". Has anyone any knowledge of the process > followed? > > Regards, > > Derrick Parsons > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello London Gazette online should have something on him. The regimental museum possibly www.armymuseums.co.uk should find them. Some units have published lists of medal winners - Sherwood Foresters for example Steve Derrick Parsons <derrick.parsons@btinternet.com> wrote: Dear list, Does anyone know of where I might find any details of a MM winner? Regards, Derrick Parsons ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Researching 9th (service) Battalion Sherwood Foresters (Notts & Derbys Regiment) during the Great War. www.ypressalient.co.uk People ask me my religion - my religion is kindness - True enlightenment is nothing but the nature of one's own self being fully realised

Hello A friend of mine and the son of one of the Munster Fus men wrote a book last year. The Story Behind the Monument, The 29th Division in Warwickshire and north Oxfordshire January-March 1915. by Chris Holland & Tony Jordan ISBN 0-9537462-3-2 . 2005. £4.50 (I think) Not sure if you are interested in a copy or just extracts. I will be seeing Chris tomorrow at the WFA meeting ( I do not get any commission!) Basically the 29th Div monument is near the village of Stretton Warwickshire - junction of the Fosse way and London Road (A45). The Div formed in the area before going to Gallipoli. The 1st RDF enjoyed their selves so much in Nuneaton that Major Grimshaw DSO , let out the immortal rallying call before the attack on Hill 141 ' Do you want to go back to Nuneaton', the Dublins cheered and he said 'Very well then, make a brilliant charge and may the best men live to return to Nuneaton' He was killed shortly afterwards. Regards Steve Brian Filbey <Brian.Filbey@wcdsb.edu.on.ca> wrote: Steve, Thanks for the info. WW1 is the time period. My grandfather Stephen Filbey 6662 joined the 1st RDF in 1899 as a band boy age fourteen! I know he was a Clerk (from C company) attached to Headquarters just prior to Gallipoli. Yes, please pass along any details you have on the Dubs. Cheers, Brian ________________________________ From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Steve Sent: Tue 11/7/2006 4:32 AM To: greatwar@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] CQMS Researching 9th (service) Battalion Sherwood Foresters (Notts & Derbys Regiment) during the Great War. www.ypressalient.co.uk People ask me my religion - my religion is kindness - True enlightenment is nothing but the nature of one's own self being fully realised

Derrick, Any particular MM winner? If you post his details someone may be able to advise. Ken -----Original Message----- From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Derrick Parsons Sent: 07 November 2006 18:48 To: GREATWAR@rootsweb.com Subject: [GREATWAR] Military medal winners Dear list, Does anyone know of where I might find any details of a MM winner? Regards, Derrick Parsons ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear list, Does anyone know of where I might find any details of a MM winner? Regards, Derrick Parsons

Dear List, I am researching the names which appear on the Stoke Climsland (Cornwall) WW1 memorial. I've just started and intend using sources such as the CWGC, medal rolls, Canadian attestation papers etc. Some listers may very well have gone down a similar path elsewhere before and I would appreciate any guidance/tips that could be passed my way. One basic question that struck me immediately is "who decided on what names go on the memorial?". Has anyone any knowledge of the process followed? Regards, Derrick Parsons

There was one other shocking piece of information I discovered here in Kingston, Ontario. Despite this being a military town, there was absolutely no attempt to keep records of who had died. When the City got around to creating its Memorial Hall in 1921 which is a beautiful place), one extra task of the company who was to cast the bronze plaque was to go around to all the other memorial plaques and copy the names to create their list. There were about 100 changes to the list they published in the paper saying "any corrections?", and I have found about 70 names that were omitted - 256 were included. Duplication is common: your workmates out you on the memorial in the town where you worked; your family put you on where they lived, and maybe where you were born; and your regiment may have had a home town and added you there. One of the nicest phrases from a local 1922 Memorial Book is 'we may have duplicated with other memorials but rather that than you were not included anywhere'. Peter

Yes, many of us have gone down this path, and are continually overjoyed and then frustrated with what we find. Firstly, assume that 25% of the information on the memorial is incorrect. It may be rank, initials, name spelling - or whether indeed they were actually was casualties. Surprisingly, I've never found an error in medals claimed. Secondly, use the local newspapers of the time. They will often give short obituaries, and photos, and will often give clues to other men. Thirdly I presume you have Canadians, so I would also check the Canadian Virtual War Memorial at http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/general/sub.cfm?source=collections/virtualmem It is based on CWGC, but if you are lucky, has more information and photos. If you can, you should also check Edward H Wigney's The CEF Roll of Honour. Fourthly, use this group for questions. It's amazing what gets answered here! Best wishes, Peter

Hello Each I have added the diary of our recent visit to Ypres and France to my website www.ypressalient.co.uk - index - war diaries - October 2006. I will also be adding more cemetery phots in the next couple of days. index - cwgc - cemetery name. Dadizeele, Belgium, The Huts Dickebusch, Ypres, Bridge House, Ypres, Kandahar Farm Belgium and possibly others. I have general photos of - Cambrai East Cem, Moureves France, Sebourg, Valenciennes. All people who wanted photos should have had them. If I have missed anyone, contact me. Regards Steve Researching 9th (service) Battalion Sherwood Foresters (Notts & Derbys Regiment) during the Great War. www.ypressalient.co.uk People ask me my religion - my religion is kindness - True enlightenment is nothing but the nature of one's own self being fully realised

Steve, Thanks for the info. WW1 is the time period. My grandfather Stephen Filbey 6662 joined the 1st RDF in 1899 as a band boy age fourteen! I know he was a Clerk (from C company) attached to Headquarters just prior to Gallipoli. Yes, please pass along any details you have on the Dubs. Cheers, Brian ________________________________ From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Steve Sent: Tue 11/7/2006 4:32 AM To: greatwar@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] CQMS Hello When was he in the 1st Dublins? If WW1 I have details on them prior to leaving for Gallipoli. Company Quartermaster Sergeant Major - In charge of all the Companies stores. If the Company needed it , he made sure it was there. have a look on www.1914-1918.net The rank should be on there. Steve Brian Filbey <Brian.Filbey@wcdsb.edu.on.ca> wrote: Hi David, My grandfather was CQMS of the 1st Royal Dublin Fusiliers. Do you have any specific information regarding Company Quartermaster Sergeants, in particular to their duties, responsibilities, day-to-day activities, etc. I would be most interested in any info or if you can direct me to a suitable book/website that explains CQMS rank. Cheers, Brian ________________________________ From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of David Parker Sent: Mon 11/6/2006 3:43 PM To: greatwar@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] RASC Sergeant Sub Conductor Originally a Conductor was responsible for "conducting soldiers to places of assembly". On 11 January 1879, a Royal Warrant established Conductors of Supplies (in the Army Service Corps) and Conductors of Stores (in the Ordnance Store Branch) as Warrant Officers, ranking above all non-commissioned officers. In 1892, Conductors of Supplies were renamed Staff Sergeant Majors 1st Class, but Conductors of Stores remained in what in 1896 became the Army Ordnance Corps. Staff Sergeant Majors in the new corps were renamed Sub Conductors. In February 1915, with the general introduction of warrant officers throughout the army, Conductors and Sub Conductors became Warrant Officers Class I. Sub Conductors reverted to the appointment of Staff Sergeant Major in 1967, but the appointment of Conductor passed to the new Royal Logistics Corps in 1993. Somewhat similar to a CQMS or RQMS ? David Disclaimer - This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and contain privileged or copyright information. You must not present this message to another party without gaining permission from the sender. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy, distribute or use this email or the information contained in it for any purpose other than to notify us. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately, and delete this email from your system. We do not guarantee that this material is free from viruses or any other defects although due care has been taken to minimize the risk. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of the Waterloo Catholic District School Board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Researching 9th (service) Battalion Sherwood Foresters (Notts & Derbys Regiment) during the Great War. www.ypressalient.co.uk People ask me my religion - my religion is kindness - True enlightenment is nothing but the nature of one's own self being fully realised ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Disclaimer - This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and contain privileged or copyright information. You must not present this message to another party without gaining permission from the sender. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy, distribute or use this email or the information contained in it for any purpose other than to notify us. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately, and delete this email from your system. We do not guarantee that this material is free from viruses or any other defects although due care has been taken to minimize the risk. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of the Waterloo Catholic District School Board.

Hello When was he in the 1st Dublins? If WW1 I have details on them prior to leaving for Gallipoli. Company Quartermaster Sergeant Major - In charge of all the Companies stores. If the Company needed it , he made sure it was there. have a look on www.1914-1918.net The rank should be on there. Steve Brian Filbey <Brian.Filbey@wcdsb.edu.on.ca> wrote: Hi David, My grandfather was CQMS of the 1st Royal Dublin Fusiliers. Do you have any specific information regarding Company Quartermaster Sergeants, in particular to their duties, responsibilities, day-to-day activities, etc. I would be most interested in any info or if you can direct me to a suitable book/website that explains CQMS rank. Cheers, Brian ________________________________ From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of David Parker Sent: Mon 11/6/2006 3:43 PM To: greatwar@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] RASC Sergeant Sub Conductor Originally a Conductor was responsible for "conducting soldiers to places of assembly". On 11 January 1879, a Royal Warrant established Conductors of Supplies (in the Army Service Corps) and Conductors of Stores (in the Ordnance Store Branch) as Warrant Officers, ranking above all non-commissioned officers. In 1892, Conductors of Supplies were renamed Staff Sergeant Majors 1st Class, but Conductors of Stores remained in what in 1896 became the Army Ordnance Corps. Staff Sergeant Majors in the new corps were renamed Sub Conductors. In February 1915, with the general introduction of warrant officers throughout the army, Conductors and Sub Conductors became Warrant Officers Class I. Sub Conductors reverted to the appointment of Staff Sergeant Major in 1967, but the appointment of Conductor passed to the new Royal Logistics Corps in 1993. Somewhat similar to a CQMS or RQMS ? David Disclaimer - This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and contain privileged or copyright information. You must not present this message to another party without gaining permission from the sender. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy, distribute or use this email or the information contained in it for any purpose other than to notify us. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately, and delete this email from your system. We do not guarantee that this material is free from viruses or any other defects although due care has been taken to minimize the risk. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of the Waterloo Catholic District School Board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Researching 9th (service) Battalion Sherwood Foresters (Notts & Derbys Regiment) during the Great War. www.ypressalient.co.uk People ask me my religion - my religion is kindness - True enlightenment is nothing but the nature of one's own self being fully realised

Peter, Try this web site. http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:x6S0fY44kuIJ:www.rlc-conductor.info/Par chment_Transcript.htm+sergeant+sub+conductor&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=5 Martin Bird original Message----- From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gardner Sent: 06 November 2006 08:18 To: greatwar@rootsweb.com Subject: [GREATWAR] RASC Sergeant Sub Conductor Can anyone throw any light on the duties of a "sergeant sub conductor" in the RASC during WW! please? Peter Gardner ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi David, My grandfather was CQMS of the 1st Royal Dublin Fusiliers. Do you have any specific information regarding Company Quartermaster Sergeants, in particular to their duties, responsibilities, day-to-day activities, etc. I would be most interested in any info or if you can direct me to a suitable book/website that explains CQMS rank. Cheers, Brian ________________________________ From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of David Parker Sent: Mon 11/6/2006 3:43 PM To: greatwar@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] RASC Sergeant Sub Conductor Originally a Conductor was responsible for "conducting soldiers to places of assembly". On 11 January 1879, a Royal Warrant established Conductors of Supplies (in the Army Service Corps) and Conductors of Stores (in the Ordnance Store Branch) as Warrant Officers, ranking above all non-commissioned officers. In 1892, Conductors of Supplies were renamed Staff Sergeant Majors 1st Class, but Conductors of Stores remained in what in 1896 became the Army Ordnance Corps. Staff Sergeant Majors in the new corps were renamed Sub Conductors. In February 1915, with the general introduction of warrant officers throughout the army, Conductors and Sub Conductors became Warrant Officers Class I. Sub Conductors reverted to the appointment of Staff Sergeant Major in 1967, but the appointment of Conductor passed to the new Royal Logistics Corps in 1993. Somewhat similar to a CQMS or RQMS ? David Disclaimer - This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and contain privileged or copyright information. You must not present this message to another party without gaining permission from the sender. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy, distribute or use this email or the information contained in it for any purpose other than to notify us. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately, and delete this email from your system. We do not guarantee that this material is free from viruses or any other defects although due care has been taken to minimize the risk. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of the Waterloo Catholic District School Board.

Originally a Conductor was responsible for "conducting soldiers to places of assembly". On 11 January 1879, a Royal Warrant established Conductors of Supplies (in the Army Service Corps) and Conductors of Stores (in the Ordnance Store Branch) as Warrant Officers, ranking above all non-commissioned officers. In 1892, Conductors of Supplies were renamed Staff Sergeant Majors 1st Class, but Conductors of Stores remained in what in 1896 became the Army Ordnance Corps. Staff Sergeant Majors in the new corps were renamed Sub Conductors. In February 1915, with the general introduction of warrant officers throughout the army, Conductors and Sub Conductors became Warrant Officers Class I. Sub Conductors reverted to the appointment of Staff Sergeant Major in 1967, but the appointment of Conductor passed to the new Royal Logistics Corps in 1993. Somewhat similar to a CQMS or RQMS ? David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Gardner" <pgassoc@tiscali.co.uk> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 3:17 AM Subject: [GREATWAR] RASC Sergeant Sub Conductor > Can anyone throw any light on the duties of a "sergeant sub conductor" in > the RASC during WW! please? > > Peter Gardner > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anyone throw any light on the duties of a "sergeant sub conductor" in the RASC during WW! please? Peter Gardner

Thank you Sue! A new "slant" on the WW1 scene. Cheers Ted. ----- Original Message ----- From: <eliassfk@aol.com> To: <GREATWAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 1:18 PM Subject: [GREATWAR] Interesting Website - Centre for First World War Studies > Although I work on the University of Birmingham campus, I have only just > discovered this excellent website and I thought it might be of interest to > others on this list - I hope I am not the only person who didn't know > about it already! It has lots of content of a 'non-scholarly' as well as > scholarly nature, and is well worth exploring. > http://www.firstworldwar.bham.ac.uk/index.htm > > Sue Elias > Birmingham, UK > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Each On my recent visit I took photos of every grave in two small cemeteries. Both have East Midland connections - Sebourg has men of 11th (Northern) Division - Sherwood Foresters 9th Bn. Lincolns Bridge House Cem Ypres - made by 59th (North Midland)Div - Lincolns, Leicesters, Sherwood Foresters. If anyone would like photos of a specific man, contact me. Hopefully I will have them on my website in the non to distant future. Regards Steve Do not just give them two minutes silence on November 11th, give them two minutes every day of your life - We will remember them. Researching 9th (service) Battalion Sherwood Foresters (Notts & Derbys Regiment) during the Great War. www.ypressalient.co.uk People ask me my religion - my religion is kindness - True enlightenment is nothing but the nature of one's own self being fully realised

Remembering.. Charles John PRICE Born: Garton End, Peterborough, UK. Killed in Action: Gaza, Palestine. 2 Nov 1917

Although I work on the University of Birmingham campus, I have only just discovered this excellent website and I thought it might be of interest to others on this list - I hope I am not the only person who didn't know about it already! It has lots of content of a 'non-scholarly' as well as scholarly nature, and is well worth exploring. http://www.firstworldwar.bham.ac.uk/index.htm Sue Elias Birmingham, UK