Barbara, Have you thought of "And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda" a song by Eric Bogle. Seems to sum up the war experience quite succinctly. Kim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Dennis" <tdennis@ihug.co.nz> To: "GREATWAR - Queries" <GREATWAR@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 4:06 PM Subject: [GREATWAR] Poetry on returning home >I am after a poem or song or similar for the men that returned home (either >WW1 or 2) & how they adapted. Snip

Hi Peter, I was looking for something similar and bumped into this excellent site (http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/9556/) where you`ll find this poem which could well fit your bill.... ~JUST A COMMON SOLDIER~ Author Unknown He was getting old and paunchy and his hair was falling fast, And he sat around the Legion telling stories of his past Of a war that he had fought in and the deeds that he had done, In his exploits with his buddies~they were heroes, every one. And tho' sometimes to his neighbours, his tales became a joke, All his Legion buddies listened, for they knew whereof he spoke But we'll hear his tales no longer, for old Bill has passed away, And the world's a little poorer, for the soldier died today. He won't be mourned by many, just his children and his wife, For he lived an ordinary, quick and uneventful life Held a job and raised a family, quietly going his own way And the world won't note his passing, tho' a soldier died today. When politicians leave this earth, their bodies lie in state While thousands note their passing and proclaim that they were great, Papers tell their life stories from the time that they were young, But the passing of a soldier goes unnoticed and unsung. In the greatest contribution to the welfare of our land One guy breaks his promises and cons his fellow man But the ordinary fellow, who in times of war and strife, Goes off to serve his country and offers up his life. A politician's stipend and the style in which he lives Are sometimes disproportionate to the service that he gives While the ordinary soldier who offered up his all Is paid off with a medal and perhaps a pension small. It's so easy to forget them, for it was so long ago That the old Bills of our country went to battle, but we know It was not the politicians, with their compromise and ploys Who won for us the freedom that our country now enjoys. Should you find yourself in danger with your enemies at hand Would you want a politician with his ever~shifting stand Or would you prefer a soldier who has sworn to defend His home, his kin and country and would fight right to the end? He was just a common soldier and his ranks are growing thin But his presence should remind us we may need his likes again. For when countries are in conflict then we find the soldier's part Is to clean up all the troubles that the politicians start. If we cannot do him honour while he's here to hear the praise, Then at least let's give him homage at the ending of his days Perhaps just a simple headline in a paper that would say, “OUR COUNTRY IS IN MOURNING, FOR A SOLDIER DIED TODAY !!” Regards Huw Secretary, OVLH&HS www.ogmore.plus.com huw@ogmore.plus.com Peter Metcalfe wrote: > Sorry about the numbers that appeared in the text of my last two postings. > I don't understand why that happened. > > Perhaps copying and pasting had something to do with it. > > Peter > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi; Is there a list of recipients of french medals to members of US forces? I am trying to verify a family story. Dave

HI all I wonder if someone could help me, I'm trying to find out what regiment Great grandad served in his name was Bertram P A Chapman and he lived in Holt Norfolk I have a photo of him in uniform taken in Flanders, and I know he did receive some medals, which he sent back sometime during the 50s because he didn't like something the government were doing. The only Bertram P A Chapman I can find served in the Middlesex regiment Would this be him ? Any help and advice would be gratefully received Regards Diane

Hi Barbara, I found this amongst my grandfather's papers. It's not quite the sentiments that you were looking for but you (and others) might enjoy it. It was written in his own hand but whether he was the author or merely transcribed something that caught his fancy, I don't know. Every day is a fresh beginning Listen, my soul, to the glad refrain. And 'spite of old sorrow and older sinning Take heart with the day and begin again. 'Tain't so much the parting when the Regiment's starting Sets you choking like a snivelling pup. Kissing you can stand, and the way she holds your hand, tisn't that. It's something in her smile as breaks you up. 'Tain't the rain a-dropping, ceaseless without stoppin' Gives a feller queer internal pains. Though it's mighty dampin', this French mud we're trampin', tisn't that. It's thinking o' them muddy English lanes. 'Tain't the shells a-flying makes scared o' dyin' Guess you in't that crawling kind o' cur. 'Tisn't that that your funkin' foreign soil to bunk in, tisn't that. It's lying there so long, so far from 'er. regards, Peter Appleton Researching the following surnames: Yorkshire (North Riding): APPLETON, BOWERS, COCKERILL, EVANS, FAWCETT, LEGG/LEGGE, MASON Norfolk: BOWERS, BRUNDLE, CALVER/CARVER, MULLENGER/MULLINGER, WOODS Cornwall: ANNEAR Lincolnshire: HOWSAM Suffolk: MATTHEWS Westmorland: MASON My Family Tree website: http://www.tribalpages.com/tribes/pappleton3

I wonder if this poem might fit the bill, Barbara: Survivors No doubt they'll soon get well; the shock and strain Have caused their stammering, disconnected talk. Of course they're 'longing to go out again,' - These boys with old, scared faces, learning to walk. They'll soon forget their haunted nights; their cowed Subjection to the ghosts of friends who died,- Their dreams that drip with murder; and they'll be proud Of glorious war that shatter'd all their pride... Men who went out to battle, grim and glad; Children, with eyes that hate you, broken and mad. By Siegfried Sassoon, Craiglockhart, October, 1917. Claire ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 20:06:32 +1300 From: "Barbara Dennis" <tdennis@ihug.co.nz> Subject: [GREATWAR] Poetry on returning home To: "GREATWAR - Queries" <GREATWAR@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <001701c719ce$43713b00$2201a8c0@pentagon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I am after a poem or song or similar for the men that returned home (either WW1 or 2) & how they adapted. I tried googling war + poetry &poetry + remembrance - but so far I have only found things on the people who didn't come home. I have a scroll made up for the men who died, but there are just as many family members who came home & to me need something to identify them with. All I can say is thoughts like - how hard it was to leave behind what they saw / their mates / memories (good & / or bad) / readjusting to civie life / that even though they came home I am just as proud of them as those who didn't return. Thoughts like that. This can cover any of the forces - Navy, Merchant, Army, Airforce. Does anyone have any favourite poems that may tie in with what I am after? Or any other ideas on trying to google to come up with a suggestion. Many thanks, Barbara Dennis Auckland, NZ ------------------------------

May I pass on something a little different. Peter > > >> >>A Different Christmas Poem > > >> >> > > >> >>The embers glowed softly, and in their dim light, > > >> >>I gazed round the room and I cherished the sight. > > >> >>My wife was asleep, her head on my chest, > > >> >>My daughter beside me, angelic in rest. > > >> >>Outside the snow > > >>fell, a blanket of white, > > >> >>Transforming the yard to a winter delight. > > >> >>The sparkling lights in the tree I believe, > > >> >>Completed the magic that was Christmas Eve. > > >> >>My eyelids were heavy, my breathing was deep, > > >> >>Secure and surrounded by love I would sleep. > > >> >>In perfect contentment, or so it would seem, > > >> >>So I slumbered, perhaps I started to dream. > > >> >> > > >> >>The sound wasn't loud, and it wasn't too near, > > >> >>But I opened my eyes when it tickled my ear. > > >> >>Perhaps just a cough, I didn't quite know, Then the > > >> >>sure sound of footsteps outside in the snow. > > >> >>My soul gave a tremble, I struggled to hear, > > >> >>And I crept to the door ju st to see who was near. > > >> >>Standing out in the cold and the dark of the night, > > >> >>A lone figure stood, his face weary and > > >>tight. > > >> >> > > >> >>A soldier, I puzzled, some twenty years old, > > >> >>Perhaps a Marine, huddled here in the cold. > > >> >>Alone in the dark, he looked up and smiled, > > >> >>Standing watch over me, and my wife and my child. > > >> >>"What are you doing?" I asked without fear, > > >> >>"Come in this moment, it's freezing out here! > > >> >>Put down your pack, brush the snow from your sleeve, > > >> >>You should be at home on a cold Christmas Eve!" > > >> >> > > >> >>For barely a moment I saw his eyes shift, > > >> >>Away from the cold and the snow blown in drifts.. > > >> >>To the window that danced with a warm fire's light > > >> >>Then he sighed and he said "Its really all right, > > >> >>I'm out here by choice. I'm here every night." > > >> >> > > >> >>"It's my duty to stand at the front of the line, > > >> >>That separates you from the > > >>darkest of times. > > >> >>No one had to ask or beg or implore me, > > >> >>I'm proud to stand here like my fathers before me. > > >> >>My Gramp s died at 'Pearl on a day in December," > > >> >>Then he sighed, "That's a Christmas 'Gram always remembers." > > >> >>My dad stood his watch in the jungles of 'Nam', > > >> >>And now it is my turn and so, here I am. > > >> >>I've not seen my own son in more than a while, > > >> >>But my wife sends me pictures, he's sure got her smile. > > >> >> > > >> >>Then he bent and he carefully pulled from his bag, > > >> >>The red, and white ... an Canadian flag. > > >> >>I can live through the cold and the being alone, > > >> >>Away from my family, my house and my home. > > >> >>I can stand at my post through the rain and the sleet, > > >> >>I can sleep in a foxhole with little to eat. > > >> >>I can carry the weight of > > >>killing another, > > >> >>Or lay down my life with my sister and brother.. > > >> >>Who stand at the front against any and all, > > >> >>To ensure for all time that this flag will not fall." > > >> >> > > >> >>"So go back inside," he said, "harbor no fright, > > >> >>Your family is waiting and I'll be all right." > > >> >>"But isn't there something I can do, at the least, > > >> >>"Give you mo ney," I asked, "or prepare you a feast? > > >> >>It seems all too little for all that you've done, > > >> >>For being away from your wife and your son." > > >> >>Then his eye welled a tear that held no regret, > > >> >>"Just tell us you love us, and never forget. > > >> >>To fight for our rights back at home while we're gone, > > >> >>To stand your own watch, no matter how long. > > >> >>For when we come home, either standing or dead, > > >> >>To know you remember we > > >>fought and we bled. > > >> >>Is payment enough, and with that we will trust, > > >> >>That we mattered to you as you mattered to us."

Barbara Have a look at THE S.S.R. COMES HOME (http://cap.estevan.sk.ca/ssr/documents/comehome.html) which seems to be closer to what you are looking for. This a poem about the return of the South Saskatchewan Regiment after WW2, written by Norman Mycock and is one of many for that regiment written during and after the war -scroll down to the Poetry section of http://cap.estevan.sk.ca/ssr/history.html Norman was descended from a Staffordshire branch of the MYCOCKs, his father and three uncles having emigrated to Canada in 1903. Ken Researching MYCOCK/ MICOCK any time, anywhere On 07/12/2006 07:06, Barbara Dennis wrote: > I am after a poem or song or similar for the men that returned home (either WW1 or 2) & how they adapted. > I tried googling war + poetry &poetry + remembrance - but so far I have only found things on the people who didn't come home. > I have a scroll made up for the men who died, but there are just as many family members who came home & to me need something to identify them with. > All I can say is thoughts like - how hard it was to leave behind what they saw / their mates / memories (good & / or bad) / readjusting to civie life / that even though they came home I am just as proud of them as those who didn't return. Thoughts like that. This can cover any of the forces - Navy, Merchant, Army, Airforce. > Does anyone have any favourite poems that may tie in with what I am after? Or any other ideas on trying to google to come up with a suggestion. > > Many thanks, > > Barbara Dennis > Auckland, NZ

Sorry about the numbers that appeared in the text of my last two postings. I don't understand why that happened. Perhaps copying and pasting had something to do with it. Peter

I thought the List would like to see these. Flintshire Observer 3rd September 1914 FALL IN By Harold Begbie What will you lack, sonny, what will you lack When the girls line up the street, Shouting their love to the lads come back >From the foe they rushed to beat? Will you send a strangled cheer to the sky And grin till your cheeks are red But what will you lack when your mate goes by With a girl who cuts you dead? Where will you look, sonny, where will you look When your children yet to be Clamour to learn of the part you took In the war that kept men free? Will you say it was naught to you if France Stood up to her foe or bunked? But where will you look when they give the glance That tells you they know you flunked? How will you fare, sonny, how will you fare In the far-off winter night, When you sit by the fire in an old man&#8217;s chair And your neighbours talk of the fight? Will you slink away, as it were from the blow, Your old head shamed and bent? Or say &#8211; I was not with the first to go, But I went, thank God, I went? Why do they call, sonny, why do they call For men who are brave and strong? Is it naught to you if your country fall, And Right is smashed by Wrong? Is it football still and the picture show, The pub and the betting odds, When your brothers stand by the tyrant&#8217;s blow And England&#8217;s call is God&#8217;s. Flintshire Observer 3rd September 1914 The following touching verse appeared in the &#8220;Evening Standard&#8221; of August 29th. PRO PATRIA Listen, oh women of England! Hark to a sound you know, Calling your men to honour Bidding them rise and go. Here in the hush of waiting, Harder than grief to bear; When every thought is a yearning, And ev&#8217;ry hope is a prayer. Never a word must hinder, Never a hand must stay, Never a voice must falter That cheers them upon their way. Mothers, whose hearts are breaking, Who sorrow and pain have known, How would you answer England, If you gave not England her own? Sisters and wives and sweethearts, Have you not urged them yet? Yours is to point to duty, Yours is to pay the debt. Hark to the call of England! Clear as a twilight bell. Listen, O wives and mothers, Listen. And heed it well! Kathleen M Barrow

Barbara How about this? Peter Flintshire County Herald 22nd November 1929 &#8220;LEST WE FORGET&#8221; &#8220;They died that we might live&#8221; Sleep, brave warriors, in your bed of clay Until Reveille sounds, on that Great Day, When we shall meet again to part no more With our Heavenly Father on that golden shore. Eleven years have passed, yet still we don&#8217;t forget To honour you, who helped to pay that debt Of Sacrifice, so that we all should live Unfettered, free, what more, then, could you give? Fear not, your names will never be forgot, Nor deeds of valour on some foreign spot, You gave your life, your all, without regret, God bless you, lads! We shan&#8217;t forget; When duty called, you gave up home and love To serve your King and Country and your &#8220;King above,&#8221; You nobly did your duty, while others calmly slept, You gave your all &#8211; we don&#8217;t forget. &#8216;Tis well perhaps you died, not lived to see Your comrades, some in dire poverty; For work and promises they ended all in smoke, And now they&#8217;re homeless, destitute, and broke. &#8216;Twas not for this you fought and nobly died, And when in danger oft your foes defied; The honour of your flag you bravely kept You did your duty &#8211; we must not forget. Sleep on, old comrades, you are safe at last, All your troubles over, and your dangers past; Again we hope that some day we may meet you yet, Farewell, dear comrades &#8211; God does not forget. DICK THOMAS Penyball, Holywell

Thank you for all the helpfull advice Jeff

Please note that the charge currently advertised on their web site by the National Archives for a service record search in WO363 is 60 UKP , not 25. Regards Peter Gardner ----- Original Message ----- From: <greatwar-request@rootsweb.com> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 8:07 AM Subject: GREATWAR Digest, Vol 1, Issue 72 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: World War 1 Service record (George Smith) > 2. Re: World War 1 Service record (Janice Duke) > 3. Re: World War 1 Service record (Janice Duke) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 12:28:54 +0000 > From: George Smith <airforce@localdial.com> > Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] World War 1 Service record > To: Jeff Butler <pateena@iprimus.com.au>, greatwar@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.20061205122854.00b43ba0@mail.localdial.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Many records were distoryed in the blitz 1940-41 but if you want to find > out contact the archives at Kew. They will charge ?25 and will not refund > if nothing is found. You could also search the Medal Rolls > > At 17:01 05/12/2006 +1100, you wrote: >>Hello >> I am looking to start search for my grandfather service record .Living > in Bishop Auckland 1914 just married he would have been aged 28 in 1914 > would that have been to old ? >>So any tips of where to start would be very much appreciated. >> Thank you >> Jeff >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > Regards > > George. > > George Smith <airforce@localdial.com> > Home Page: http://web.localdial.com/users/airforce > LRFHS Page: http://www.lrfhs.org.uk > Jersey Island Page: http://www.jerseyvirtual.net > Jersey Insight http://www.jerseyinsight.com > Jersey Centenary Battle of Flowers: > http://www.localdial.com/users/airforce/battle.html > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 08:13:16 -0500 > From: Janice Duke <mshx@optonline.net> > Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] World War 1 Service record > To: greatwar@rootsweb.com, Jeff Butler <pateena@iprimus.com.au> > Message-ID: <013201c7186f$209f3650$04357145@JANICECOMPUTER> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; > reply-type=original > > Hi Jeff/Listers, > > If G'Dad was in the NZ force, this may help: > http://www.archives.govt.nz/docs/pdfs/Ref_Guide_War.pdf > > Janice > USA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Smith" <airforce@localdial.com> > To: "Jeff Butler" <pateena@iprimus.com.au>; <greatwar@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 7:28 AM > Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] World War 1 Service record > > > Many records were distoryed in the blitz 1940-41 but if you want to find > out contact the archives at Kew. They will charge ?25 and will not refund > if nothing is found. You could also search the Medal Rolls > > At 17:01 05/12/2006 +1100, you wrote: >>Hello >> I am looking to start search for my grandfather service record .Living > in Bishop Auckland 1914 just married he would have been aged 28 in 1914 > would that have been to old ? >>So any tips of where to start would be very much appreciated. >> Thank you >> Jeff >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > Regards > > George. > > George Smith <airforce@localdial.com> > Home Page: http://web.localdial.com/users/airforce > LRFHS Page: http://www.lrfhs.org.uk > Jersey Island Page: http://www.jerseyvirtual.net > Jersey Insight http://www.jerseyinsight.com > Jersey Centenary Battle of Flowers: > http://www.localdial.com/users/airforce/battle.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 08:33:26 -0500 > From: Janice Duke <mshx@optonline.net> > Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] World War 1 Service record > To: greatwar@rootsweb.com, Jeff Butler <pateena@iprimus.com.au> > Message-ID: <013501c71871$f1c10b80$04357145@JANICECOMPUTER> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; > reply-type=original > > Hi Jeff, > See: > http://www.nzdf.mil.nz/personnel-records/archives.htm > http://www.nzdf.mil.nz/personnel-records/archive-enquiries.htm > http://www.nzdf.mil.nz/personnel-records/contact.htm > > Hope this helps, and thanks for G'Dad's military service. > Janice > USA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Smith" <airforce@localdial.com> > To: "Jeff Butler" <pateena@iprimus.com.au>; <greatwar@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 7:28 AM > Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] World War 1 Service record > > > Many records were distoryed in the blitz 1940-41 but if you want to find > out contact the archives at Kew. They will charge ?25 and will not refund > if nothing is found. You could also search the Medal Rolls > > At 17:01 05/12/2006 +1100, you wrote: >>Hello >> I am looking to start search for my grandfather service record .Living > in Bishop Auckland 1914 just married he would have been aged 28 in 1914 > would that have been to old ? >>So any tips of where to start would be very much appreciated. >> Thank you >> Jeff >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > Regards > > George. > > George Smith <airforce@localdial.com> > Home Page: http://web.localdial.com/users/airforce > LRFHS Page: http://www.lrfhs.org.uk > Jersey Island Page: http://www.jerseyvirtual.net > Jersey Insight http://www.jerseyinsight.com > Jersey Centenary Battle of Flowers: > http://www.localdial.com/users/airforce/battle.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the GREATWAR list administrator, send an email to > GREATWAR-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the GREATWAR mailing list, send an email to > GREATWAR@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of GREATWAR Digest, Vol 1, Issue 72 > *************************************** >

Hello I am looking to start search for my grandfather service record .Living in Bishop Auckland 1914 just married he would have been aged 28 in 1914 would that have been to old ? So any tips of where to start would be very much appreciated. Thank you Jeff

Many records were distoryed in the blitz 1940-41 but if you want to find out contact the archives at Kew. They will charge £25 and will not refund if nothing is found. You could also search the Medal Rolls At 17:01 05/12/2006 +1100, you wrote: >Hello > I am looking to start search for my grandfather service record .Living in Bishop Auckland 1914 just married he would have been aged 28 in 1914 would that have been to old ? >So any tips of where to start would be very much appreciated. > Thank you > Jeff > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Regards George. George Smith <airforce@localdial.com> Home Page: http://web.localdial.com/users/airforce LRFHS Page: http://www.lrfhs.org.uk Jersey Island Page: http://www.jerseyvirtual.net Jersey Insight http://www.jerseyinsight.com Jersey Centenary Battle of Flowers: http://www.localdial.com/users/airforce/battle.html

Hi Jeff, See: http://www.nzdf.mil.nz/personnel-records/archives.htm http://www.nzdf.mil.nz/personnel-records/archive-enquiries.htm http://www.nzdf.mil.nz/personnel-records/contact.htm Hope this helps, and thanks for G'Dad's military service. Janice USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Smith" <airforce@localdial.com> To: "Jeff Butler" <pateena@iprimus.com.au>; <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] World War 1 Service record Many records were distoryed in the blitz 1940-41 but if you want to find out contact the archives at Kew. They will charge £25 and will not refund if nothing is found. You could also search the Medal Rolls At 17:01 05/12/2006 +1100, you wrote: >Hello > I am looking to start search for my grandfather service record .Living in Bishop Auckland 1914 just married he would have been aged 28 in 1914 would that have been to old ? >So any tips of where to start would be very much appreciated. > Thank you > Jeff > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Regards George. George Smith <airforce@localdial.com> Home Page: http://web.localdial.com/users/airforce LRFHS Page: http://www.lrfhs.org.uk Jersey Island Page: http://www.jerseyvirtual.net Jersey Insight http://www.jerseyinsight.com Jersey Centenary Battle of Flowers: http://www.localdial.com/users/airforce/battle.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jeff/Listers, If G'Dad was in the NZ force, this may help: http://www.archives.govt.nz/docs/pdfs/Ref_Guide_War.pdf Janice USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Smith" <airforce@localdial.com> To: "Jeff Butler" <pateena@iprimus.com.au>; <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] World War 1 Service record Many records were distoryed in the blitz 1940-41 but if you want to find out contact the archives at Kew. They will charge £25 and will not refund if nothing is found. You could also search the Medal Rolls At 17:01 05/12/2006 +1100, you wrote: >Hello > I am looking to start search for my grandfather service record .Living in Bishop Auckland 1914 just married he would have been aged 28 in 1914 would that have been to old ? >So any tips of where to start would be very much appreciated. > Thank you > Jeff > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Regards George. George Smith <airforce@localdial.com> Home Page: http://web.localdial.com/users/airforce LRFHS Page: http://www.lrfhs.org.uk Jersey Island Page: http://www.jerseyvirtual.net Jersey Insight http://www.jerseyinsight.com Jersey Centenary Battle of Flowers: http://www.localdial.com/users/airforce/battle.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bob/Listers, Perhaps these can help: Go down to the paragraph that begins with "On the 14th of October" as it mentions the 320th MG Btn and the town of St. Juvin. http://freepages.military.rootsweb.com/~cacunithistories/Pvt_Steenhoek.html http://www.longwood.k12.ny.us/history/upton/map6.htm http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/books/wwi/ob/82-ROE-ob.htm http://www.thedigitalbookshelf.com/db_82_2.htm http://www.thedigitalbookshelf.com/db_82_3.htm http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/army/82abn-history.htm See 14 October: http://history.amedd.army.mil/booksdocs/wwi/fieldoperations/chapter25.htm More than one entry here for the 320th on 14 October: http://www.homeofheroes.com/valor/0_DSC/1_ww1/02_army-infMG-alpha.html Hope this helps, Janice USA ----- Original Message ----- From: <Rjkalid@aol.com> To: <GREATWAR@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 10:11 AM Subject: [GREATWAR] All American Division >I would like to thank LGS and Janice for their response to my query. I have > additional information as to his unit. According to the recorded > information > he was in Co. A, 320 MG Bn. I assume "MG Bn." stood for "machine gun > battalion". This information was contained on a Form No. 724-9, A.G.O > which I obtained > from the NY State Archives. I realize that a majority of service records > had > been destroyed in the fire of 1973. Did that include pension records? Can > those be obtained from the National Archives or were those also destroyed > in > the '73 fire? I was able to obtain pension records in the past for Civil > War > ancestors. Also, are there any written histories of the 82nd during WWI, > e.g. > web sites? > Bob Liddell > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The US Congress in the 1920s and 30s was far less generous to veterans than were post-Civil War and post-WWII congresses. Some states made modest ex gracia payments to WWI veterans, but the Federal government dithered and delayed. Most veterans received little or no pension of other payments, and these were delayed. There have been a number of books published on the 1932 WWI Veterans' Bonus March on Washington. LGS

The 320th Machine Gun Battalion (MG Bn) was assigned to the 163rd Infantry Brigade of the 82nd Division. In the early stages of the Meuse-Argonne Offensive, the 163rd was held in Corps Reserve. The Brigade was released from reserve on the night of October 8/9 and relieved troops of the 28th Division from two kms. west of Hill 223 through Drachen to a point 2 1/4 kms. west of le Menil Fme. Again, refer to the Order of Battle of United States Land Forces in the World War and American Armies and Battlefields in Europe, both of which are available on a CD from the US Government Printing Office or in bound form from your local library on inter-library loan. The Armies and Battlefields work has maps. The best recent history of the 82nd Division is The All-Americans at War: the 82nd Division in the Great War, James J. Cooke, Greenwood, 1998, ISBN 0 27595 740 3. There is also an 82nd Division website. Seek more information on the 82nd via Google or another search engine. Some, or perhaps many, but by no means all WWI personnel records were destroyed by fire. NARA is attempting to reconstruct these records. If you have your subject's service number from the NY State Archives, you should initiate a search with the Personnel Records Officer of NARA outside St. Louis. For guidance on records research, consult the Doughboy Center website (_www.worldwar1.com/dbc_ (http://www.worldwar1.com/dbc) ) looking under Second Army. More sources of information on the AEF is to be found on the Western Front Association website at _www.wfa-usa.org_ (http://www.wfa-usa.org) looking under Resources. Good luck! LGS