Dear Mike, Thank you very much for the photo of the cemetary at Helly. My own Grandfather was killed at Juebbulpore, India in July 1917. He is commemorated on the Kirkee Memorial, although I have been told a memorial stone erected at Juebbulpore is probably still standing. I am interested in his nephew George Bennett who died in France in 1916 and is buried at Theipval I think. My interest in Heilly station is that my sister plans to visit the battlefields with a friend, one of who's relatives is buried at Heilly Station. Sorry if my original message was a bit misleading, I do realise that it is a long way from India to France. Many thanks for you help Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Shingleton" <shinglma_64@btopenworld.com> To: "EDWARD SOUTHWICK" <ted.southwick@btinternet.com> Cc: <GREATWAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] War Cemetaries > Ted > > I was most recently at Heilly Station a couple of months ago. > > I've put a photo of the cemetery (a general view) on my website and it > can be found here: > > http://www.resthepast.co.uk/images/DSC_0393.jpg > > Hope this is of interest. What was your grandfather's name? > > > > Mike S >

I have just added my transcription for June 1918 to the military records section of my website at the link below. parts of this were very hard to read but I have done my best Best Regards Peter http://www.rimell.u-net.com/

Ted I was most recently at Heilly Station a couple of months ago. I've put a photo of the cemetery (a general view) on my website and it can be found here: http://www.resthepast.co.uk/images/DSC_0393.jpg Hope this is of interest. What was your grandfather's name? Mike S -----Original Message----- From: EDWARD SOUTHWICK <ted.southwick@btinternet.com> Sent Subject: [GREATWAR] War Cemetaries > I am new to this list, and I wonder if any one can advise me > please. Is there a web site where I can find maps of the location of > War Cemeteries? I am particularly interested in Heely Station > Cemetery, I think it is in France. > My Grand Father was killed in the war, but I have now discovered he > had five brothers who survived, is there any way of finding out line > if my great uncles enlisted or were conscripted? > If any one can help I will be extremely grateful > Ted Southwick > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>>M.G.C / 101B 6 (Page) 599 > 10116 - his regimental number >> >>What is 101B 6, please? > ditto >> I'm sorry to say but that's incorrect - its the reference to the actual medal rolls on which his entitlement is recorded. The medal roll reference can be used to look up the actual medal roll held at the National Archives. Instedad these are his regimental numbers as listed in your original post. M.G.C. Pt 10116 R.War.R 14854 M.G.C. 10116 M.G.C. Pte 7807399 Its just coincidental reference that both his medal roll reference and original regimental number should begin '101' kind regards Mike Shingleton

As a further contribution to this discussion I have asked my Sat-Nav supplier to include War Cemeteries as standard points of interest. It would be quite useful however if the CWGC could add location data to their cemeteries website that would enable one to navigate to the cemetery - just lat/long might be all that is needed. - Any support for the idea? Regards John -- John Chapman

Please be aware with the Ottawa records that there are transcription errors, and you may have to do some creative spelling of names to find the correct paper. Also, you don't always get a full service record, and invariably you will not find out any details of the death unless it was in a hospital outside mainland Europe. The records were culled, and much of what you pay for in the photocopying is duplicative, though you do usually get the full pay records. Good luck in your searches. Peter

Absolutely! Having driven lost through many a field, I would love to see somewhere with more precise directions. We have them for Belgium at http://www.wo1.be/ : choose English, then detailed search, then cemeteries. Can anybody start one for France?Please?? Peter

Dear Peter, Many thanbks for your help. I am very grateful Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Fellowes" <peter.fellowes@ntlworld.com> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com>; <GREATWAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] War Cemetaries > Hello Ted, > I think the cemetery you are after is Heilly Station Cemetery. Have look > at > this link to the CWGC Web Site for cemetery details and location. > > http://www.cwgc.org/search/cemetery_details.aspx?cemetery=27100&mode=1 > > As to your grandfathers five brothers, sadly [in research] we seem to know > more about those who died than those who survived. Before finding if they > were conscripted [conscription introduced in January 1916 with the passing > of the Military Service Act calling for enlistment of unmarried men > between > 18 and 41] or enlisted it might be easier [sic] to find what Regiment or > Corps they belonged to. That might be my way forward other might, however, > have another way. > > Might be of some help > Regards > Peter Fellowes > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "EDWARD SOUTHWICK" <ted.southwick@btinternet.com> > To: <GREATWAR-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 4:41 PM > Subject: [GREATWAR] War Cemetaries > > >>I am new to this list, and I wonder if any one can advise me please. Is >>there a web site where I can find maps of the location of War Cemeteries? >>I >>am particularly interested in Heely Station Cemetery, I think it is in >>France. >> My Grand Father was killed in the war, but I have now discovered he had >> five brothers who survived, is there any way of finding out line if my >> great uncles enlisted or were conscripted? >> If any one can help I will be extremely grateful >> Ted Southwick >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/579 - Release Date: > 07/12/2006 13:31 > >

Hello Ted, I think the cemetery you are after is Heilly Station Cemetery. Have look at this link to the CWGC Web Site for cemetery details and location. http://www.cwgc.org/search/cemetery_details.aspx?cemetery=27100&mode=1 As to your grandfathers five brothers, sadly [in research] we seem to know more about those who died than those who survived. Before finding if they were conscripted [conscription introduced in January 1916 with the passing of the Military Service Act calling for enlistment of unmarried men between 18 and 41] or enlisted it might be easier [sic] to find what Regiment or Corps they belonged to. That might be my way forward other might, however, have another way. Might be of some help Regards Peter Fellowes ----- Original Message ----- From: "EDWARD SOUTHWICK" <ted.southwick@btinternet.com> To: <GREATWAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 4:41 PM Subject: [GREATWAR] War Cemetaries >I am new to this list, and I wonder if any one can advise me please. Is >there a web site where I can find maps of the location of War Cemeteries? I >am particularly interested in Heely Station Cemetery, I think it is in >France. > My Grand Father was killed in the war, but I have now discovered he had > five brothers who survived, is there any way of finding out line if my > great uncles enlisted or were conscripted? > If any one can help I will be extremely grateful > Ted Southwick > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In message <c6f.5afc30d.32aad409@aol.com>, SHAWGILLDAVE@aol.com writes >Dear Listers, >I have downloaded the medal card for WILLIAM HENRY CRAMP from the National >archives online. It contains the following details: > >M.G.C. Pt 10116 >R.War.R 14854 >M.G.C. 10116 >M.G.C. Pte 7807399 > >I know that M.G.C. = Machine Gun Corps, but what is ' R.War.R', please? ROYAL WARWICKSHIRE REGIMENT > >Under Medals it states: > >M.G.C / 101B 6 (Page) 599 10116 - his regimental number > >What is 101B 6, please? ditto > >Finally it states: > ># Ind G S Wa** 1919-21 (Roll 18805.244) >** could be ps or ys > >What does this mean? > GENERAL SERVICE WAR MEDAL >Many thanks in advance > > >Gill Shaw > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- John Chapman

Hello Gill, R. War. R is Royal Warwickshire Regiment, MGC as you mention is Machine Gun Corps. I think the 101B 6 Page 599 might be the roll and page number, but other listers no doubt will confirm or otherwise. Might be of some help regards Peter Fellowes ----- Original Message ----- From: <SHAWGILLDAVE@aol.com> To: <GREATWAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 2:43 PM Subject: [GREATWAR] Re Medal card > Dear Listers, > I have downloaded the medal card for WILLIAM HENRY CRAMP from the National > archives online. It contains the following details: > > M.G.C. Pt 10116 > R.War.R 14854 > M.G.C. 10116 > M.G.C. Pte 7807399 > > I know that M.G.C. = Machine Gun Corps, but what is ' R.War.R', please? > > Under Medals it states: > > M.G.C / 101B 6 (Page) 599 > > What is 101B 6, please? > > Finally it states: > > # Ind G S Wa** 1919-21 (Roll 18805.244) > ** could be ps or ys > > What does this mean? > > Many thanks in advance > > > Gill Shaw > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am new to this list, and I wonder if any one can advise me please. Is there a web site where I can find maps of the location of War Cemeteries? I am particularly interested in Heely Station Cemetery, I think it is in France. My Grand Father was killed in the war, but I have now discovered he had five brothers who survived, is there any way of finding out line if my great uncles enlisted or were conscripted? If any one can help I will be extremely grateful Ted Southwick

Hi Ted, I don't know where you are but in Canada there is an online resource for Canadian soldiers of WW1. If you're fortunate enough to be dealing with Canadians go to http://www.collectionscanada.ca/02/02010602_e.html The Attestation papers (papers at joining the CEF) are digitized and online and the full service record is available for about 30 dollars canadian (depending on the number of pages) follow the link available on this website to find out more about that. Take Care Sue

google American Battle Monuments Commission ----- Original Message ----- From: "EDWARD SOUTHWICK" <ted.southwick@btinternet.com> To: <GREATWAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 11:41 AM Subject: [GREATWAR] War Cemetaries |I am new to this list, and I wonder if any one can advise me please. Is there a web site where I can find maps of the location of War Cemeteries? I am particularly interested in Heely Station Cemetery, I think it is in France. | My Grand Father was killed in the war, but I have now discovered he had five brothers who survived, is there any way of finding out line if my great uncles enlisted or were conscripted? | If any one can help I will be extremely grateful | Ted Southwick | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Listers, Many, many thanks, to Huw, Peter, John & David I am very, very grateful I think the army must have been a vast improvement for William Henry Cramp, as he had spent his childhood years in the Coventry workhouse Thank you again Gill Shaw

Could that be the Indian General War Medal awarded to those who served on the Indian North West Frontier and in the Third Anglo-Afghan War of 1919? There were a number of MGC Companies in India. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Chapman" <john@purley.demon.co.uk> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Cc: <GREATWAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Re Medal card > In message <c6f.5afc30d.32aad409@aol.com>, SHAWGILLDAVE@aol.com writes >>Dear Listers, >>I have downloaded the medal card for WILLIAM HENRY CRAMP from the National >>archives online. It contains the following details: >> >>M.G.C. Pt 10116 >>R.War.R 14854 >>M.G.C. 10116 >>M.G.C. Pte 7807399 >> >>I know that M.G.C. = Machine Gun Corps, but what is ' R.War.R', please? > > ROYAL WARWICKSHIRE REGIMENT >> >>Under Medals it states: >> >>M.G.C / 101B 6 (Page) 599 > 10116 - his regimental number >> >>What is 101B 6, please? > ditto >> >>Finally it states: >> >># Ind G S Wa** 1919-21 (Roll 18805.244) >>** could be ps or ys >> >>What does this mean? >> > GENERAL SERVICE WAR MEDAL >>Many thanks in advance >> >> >>Gill Shaw >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > -- > John Chapman > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Edward, My gt. uncle was Pte E G Vaux MM, 2nd Middlesex Regiment and he is buried at Heilly Station. He was wounded 1st July,1916 and died on the 12th July. All the Headstones for that period commemorate more than one man. In my gt uncle's case there are 3 men. It was very quiet when I was there in the winter of 2004. Edward, if you post the name of your g'father and his brothers, maybe someone could help you out with a bit more information. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "EDWARD SOUTHWICK" <ted.southwick@btinternet.com> To: <GREATWAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 8:41 AM Subject: [GREATWAR] War Cemetaries > I am new to this list, and I wonder if any one can advise me please. Is there a web site where I can find maps of the location of War Cemeteries? I am particularly interested in Heely Station Cemetery, I think it is in France. > My Grand Father was killed in the war, but I have now discovered he had five brothers who survived, is there any way of finding out line if my great uncles enlisted or were conscripted? > If any one can help I will be extremely grateful > Ted Southwick > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Listers, I have downloaded the medal card for WILLIAM HENRY CRAMP from the National archives online. It contains the following details: M.G.C. Pt 10116 R.War.R 14854 M.G.C. 10116 M.G.C. Pte 7807399 I know that M.G.C. = Machine Gun Corps, but what is ' R.War.R', please? Under Medals it states: M.G.C / 101B 6 (Page) 599 What is 101B 6, please? Finally it states: # Ind G S Wa** 1919-21 (Roll 18805.244) ** could be ps or ys What does this mean? Many thanks in advance Gill Shaw

Thanks very much for the info, Malcolm, John and Peter. Hoping to get to the truth one day! Tony Holkham Message text written by INTERNET:greatwar@rootsweb.com >Message: 2 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:21:35 -0000 From: "M.G.Fergusson" <fergussons@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] GREATWAR Digest, Vol 1, Issue 59 To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000a01c709ac$0d6d72d0$5a1f2952@Fergiecomp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" There is no William Botham in the list of men sentenced to death by Courts Martial 1914 -1924. Soldiers Died in the Great War will tell you how he died. From the cemetery in St Omer he was probably a flu victim from one of the many hospitals in St Omer. Aye Malcolm < Message: 4 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:58:36 +0000 From: John Chapman <john@purley.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] GREATWAR Digest, Vol 1, Issue 59 To: greatwar@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <Xu6LlID8iJXFFwHT@purley.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed The best list is in Julian Putkowski's book 'Shot at Dawn' Your uncle does not appear on the list. Regards John Message: 6 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 21:29:48 -0000 From: "Peter Fellowes" <peter.fellowes@ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] GREATWAR Digest, Vol 1, Issue 59 To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000b01c709c6$594cf9e0$5de76551@peter> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Greetings to all, I have not [yet] read Putkowski's book so am unable to comment about the list John recommends. However may I add the list [appendix 2] to Blindfold and Alone by Cathryn Corns and John Hughes-Wilson [Cassell 2005]. It lists all British, and Dominion ranks [including Chinese labourers] executed. The list follows the convention: Name, Rank, Unit, Execution Date, Offence, NA Reference [where applicable], Cemetery were commemorated. Regards Peter Fellowes

I am after a poem or song or similar for the men that returned home (either WW1 or 2) & how they adapted. I tried googling war + poetry &poetry + remembrance - but so far I have only found things on the people who didn't come home. I have a scroll made up for the men who died, but there are just as many family members who came home & to me need something to identify them with. All I can say is thoughts like - how hard it was to leave behind what they saw / their mates / memories (good & / or bad) / readjusting to civie life / that even though they came home I am just as proud of them as those who didn't return. Thoughts like that. This can cover any of the forces - Navy, Merchant, Army, Airforce. Does anyone have any favourite poems that may tie in with what I am after? Or any other ideas on trying to google to come up with a suggestion. Many thanks, Barbara Dennis Auckland, NZ