Thanks Adrian - that's exactly the situation I have. Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Parry" <adrianp7@tiscali.co.uk> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Enlisting in RFA > Hello Roger > > My grand father was in a TA unit (RAMC) during WW1. A birth certificate > for one of his children born during that time clearly shows his service > rank and his civilian occupation (a grocer). In your case the use of the > term "journeyman baker" clearly relates to the civilian occupation too. > > Adrian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Roger Davies > To: greatwar@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 10:55 AM > Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Enlisting in RFA > > > Thanks John - is it possible do you think that he would describe himself > as > 'Private, Royal Field Artillery (journeyman baker)' if he was just a TA > member? > > Roger > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Roger My grand father was in a TA unit (RAMC) during WW1. A birth certificate for one of his children born during that time clearly shows his service rank and his civilian occupation (a grocer). In your case the use of the term "journeyman baker" clearly relates to the civilian occupation too. Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Davies To: greatwar@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Enlisting in RFA Thanks John - is it possible do you think that he would describe himself as 'Private, Royal Field Artillery (journeyman baker)' if he was just a TA member? Roger

Roger That could have been his role within his RFA unit - they needed people other than gunners. John In message <00a801c76c70$93ba1010$4002a8c0@ROGERSOFFICE2>, Roger Davies <roger.davies42@ntlworld.com> writes >Thanks John - is it possible do you think that he would describe himself as >'Private, Royal Field Artillery (journeyman baker)' if he was just a TA >member? > >Roger > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Chapman" <john@purley.demon.co.uk> >To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 10:02 AM >Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Enlisting in RFA > > >> >> Remember that the RFA was a Territorial unit and hence he could easily >> have joined the territorials when he came out of the Navy but was not >> required for service in the early part of the war and then rejoined the >> Navy in 1918 >> >> regards >> >> John >> >> >> In message <006a01c76c66$d9e6bcf0$4002a8c0@ROGERSOFFICE2>, Roger Davies >> <roger.davies42@ntlworld.com> writes >>>I have an ancestor who left the Royal Navy in 1907, age 17, was >>>described as a private in the Royal Field Artillery in October 1914, >>>conceived a child in London in July 1915, was working there as a >>>civilian baker in April 1916, and rejoined the Navy in 1918. No record >>>of any army service at Kew but his naval record is there. >>> >>>Anyone got any ideas what might have happened? Is it possible he >>>enlisted and was subsequently rejected, perhaps on medical grounds, but >>>that the Navy was so desparate for men in 1918 that they took him >>>anyway? He was certainly healthy in later life. >>> >>>Any ideas greatfully received >>> >>>Roger >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> -- >> John Chapman >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- John Chapman

Thanks John - is it possible do you think that he would describe himself as 'Private, Royal Field Artillery (journeyman baker)' if he was just a TA member? Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Chapman" <john@purley.demon.co.uk> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Enlisting in RFA > > Remember that the RFA was a Territorial unit and hence he could easily > have joined the territorials when he came out of the Navy but was not > required for service in the early part of the war and then rejoined the > Navy in 1918 > > regards > > John > > > In message <006a01c76c66$d9e6bcf0$4002a8c0@ROGERSOFFICE2>, Roger Davies > <roger.davies42@ntlworld.com> writes >>I have an ancestor who left the Royal Navy in 1907, age 17, was >>described as a private in the Royal Field Artillery in October 1914, >>conceived a child in London in July 1915, was working there as a >>civilian baker in April 1916, and rejoined the Navy in 1918. No record >>of any army service at Kew but his naval record is there. >> >>Anyone got any ideas what might have happened? Is it possible he >>enlisted and was subsequently rejected, perhaps on medical grounds, but >>that the Navy was so desparate for men in 1918 that they took him >>anyway? He was certainly healthy in later life. >> >>Any ideas greatfully received >> >>Roger >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > -- > John Chapman > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Remember that the RFA was a Territorial unit and hence he could easily have joined the territorials when he came out of the Navy but was not required for service in the early part of the war and then rejoined the Navy in 1918 regards John In message <006a01c76c66$d9e6bcf0$4002a8c0@ROGERSOFFICE2>, Roger Davies <roger.davies42@ntlworld.com> writes >I have an ancestor who left the Royal Navy in 1907, age 17, was >described as a private in the Royal Field Artillery in October 1914, >conceived a child in London in July 1915, was working there as a >civilian baker in April 1916, and rejoined the Navy in 1918. No record >of any army service at Kew but his naval record is there. > >Anyone got any ideas what might have happened? Is it possible he >enlisted and was subsequently rejected, perhaps on medical grounds, but >that the Navy was so desparate for men in 1918 that they took him >anyway? He was certainly healthy in later life. > >Any ideas greatfully received > >Roger > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- John Chapman

I have an ancestor who left the Royal Navy in 1907, age 17, was described as a private in the Royal Field Artillery in October 1914, conceived a child in London in July 1915, was working there as a civilian baker in April 1916, and rejoined the Navy in 1918. No record of any army service at Kew but his naval record is there. Anyone got any ideas what might have happened? Is it possible he enlisted and was subsequently rejected, perhaps on medical grounds, but that the Navy was so desparate for men in 1918 that they took him anyway? He was certainly healthy in later life. Any ideas greatfully received Roger

Hello kaz, This is a useful website, The 51st Foot has a page here: http://www.regiments.org/regiments/uk/inf/051-757.htm Details of the whereabouts of the 1st Battalion can be found here: http://www.regiments.org/deploy/uk/reg-inf/051-1.htm You will see that they were in Ireland in 1871. Hope this helps Mike Shingleton Wednesday, March 21, 2007, 3:48:54 PM, you wrote: > Hiya everyone, I know this is probably the wrong list to be posting > this on but I will post in the hope of being shown the list I need. > I have the birth cert of my great granddad (1870), it states that > his father Joseph Mansfield DRAYCOTT was in the 51st regiment of > foot. I can't find him anywhere in the 1871 census although I can find the child and mother. > Please could anyone direct me to where I could find out more > information about this regiment and if they would have been posted abroad around this time. > Thank you in advance for any help and advice. > Kind regards, Karen > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find > out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. > http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Best regards, Mike mailto:shinglma_64@btopenworld.com

Hiya everyone, I know this is probably the wrong list to be posting this on but I will post in the hope of being shown the list I need. I have the birth cert of my great granddad (1870), it states that his father Joseph Mansfield DRAYCOTT was in the 51st regiment of foot. I can't find him anywhere in the 1871 census although I can find the child and mother. Please could anyone direct me to where I could find out more information about this regiment and if they would have been posted abroad around this time. Thank you in advance for any help and advice. Kind regards, Karen ___________________________________________________________ New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk

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I have been in touch with these folks and have had a negative. Dennis on 13/3/07 2:25 PM, Delilah at diamond6468@mindspring.com wrote: > If you are only wanting a photo of an individual grave and it is listed on > American Battle Monuments, you can get one for free, if you can wait about a > month +/- - I don't know if they do it for those that died from other > countries. > delilah > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "denniscorbett" <denniscorbett@denniscorbett.e.telefonica.net> > To: <GREATWAR-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 6:43 AM > Subject: [GREATWAR] War graves in France > > > | As we are coming up to a new season for trips to France, can I ask if any > | kind listers are planning visits to the battlefields in Northern France > who > | might be willing to take one or more grave photographs for me? > | > | I need some photos for a non-commercial project from the following > | cemeteries: > | > | Dueville Communal Cemetery Extension > | Bailleul Road East Cemetery > | Cambrai East Military Cemetery > | Orival Wood Cemetery > | Couin British Cemetery > | St. Sever Cemetery Extension > | Aubigny Communal Cemetery Extension > | Achiet le Grand Communal Cemetery > | Euston Road Cemetery > | Fonquevillers Military Cemetery > | Longuenesse (St. Omer) Souvenir Cemetery > | Rue de Baackerot No. 1 Military Cemetery > | Merville Community Nord > | Gonnehem British Cemetery > | > | With one exception there is just one grave in each cemetery. If anybody > | could help with even a single photograph I would be most grateful. I have > | asked CWGC in France to recommend a local photographer I could pay to have > | these graves photographs and was basically told to get lost because I am > not > | a relative. > | > | regards > | > | Dennis > | > | > | > | ------------------------------- > | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > | > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Folks, I have been researching the military service of my grandfather (200207 Lance Corporal Fred APPLETON, 4th Yorkshire Regiment) for a couple of years now. Through some friends at my local Photographic Society, I have been asked to talk to Year 9 pupils at Huntcliff School, Saltburn and put a more personal and local slant on their studies of World War 1. The History teacher has got the kids to compile a list of questions, most of which I can answer. But one in particular has me stumped. How often would my grandfather have been given leave? I have no idea how much leave a soldier got. Can anyone offer me any advice, please? regards, Peter Appleton Researching the following surnames: Yorkshire (North Riding): APPLETON, BOWERS, COCKERILL, EVANS, FAWCETT, LEGG/LEGGE, MASON Norfolk: BOWERS, BRUNDLE, CALVER/CARVER, MULLENGER/MULLINGER, WOODS Cornwall: ANNEAR Lincolnshire: HOWSAM Suffolk: MATTHEWS Westmorland: MASON My Family Tree website: http://www.tribalpages.com/tribes/pappleton3

what name and cemetery? ----- Original Message ----- From: "denniscorbett" <denniscorbett@denniscorbett.e.telefonica.net> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] War graves in France |I have been in touch with these folks and have had a negative. | | Dennis | | on 13/3/07 2:25 PM, Delilah at diamond6468@mindspring.com wrote: | | > If you are only wanting a photo of an individual grave and it is listed on | > American Battle Monuments, you can get one for free, if you can wait about a | > month +/- - I don't know if they do it for those that died from other | > countries. | > delilah | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: "denniscorbett" <denniscorbett@denniscorbett.e.telefonica.net> | > To: <GREATWAR-L@rootsweb.com> | > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 6:43 AM | > Subject: [GREATWAR] War graves in France | > | > | > | As we are coming up to a new season for trips to France, can I ask if any | > | kind listers are planning visits to the battlefields in Northern France | > who | > | might be willing to take one or more grave photographs for me? | > | | > | I need some photos for a non-commercial project from the following | > | cemeteries: | > | | > | Dueville Communal Cemetery Extension | > | Bailleul Road East Cemetery | > | Cambrai East Military Cemetery | > | Orival Wood Cemetery | > | Couin British Cemetery | > | St. Sever Cemetery Extension | > | Aubigny Communal Cemetery Extension | > | Achiet le Grand Communal Cemetery | > | Euston Road Cemetery | > | Fonquevillers Military Cemetery | > | Longuenesse (St. Omer) Souvenir Cemetery | > | Rue de Baackerot No. 1 Military Cemetery | > | Merville Community Nord | > | Gonnehem British Cemetery | > | | > | With one exception there is just one grave in each cemetery. If anybody | > | could help with even a single photograph I would be most grateful. I have | > | asked CWGC in France to recommend a local photographer I could pay to have | > | these graves photographs and was basically told to get lost because I am | > not | > | a relative. | > | | > | regards | > | | > | Dennis | > | | > | | > | | > | ------------------------------- | > | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to | > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes | > in the subject and the body of the message | > | | > | > | > | > ------------------------------- | > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to | > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes | > in the subject and the body of the message | | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message |

As we are coming up to a new season for trips to France, can I ask if any kind listers are planning visits to the battlefields in Northern France who might be willing to take one or more grave photographs for me? I need some photos for a non-commercial project from the following cemeteries: Dueville Communal Cemetery Extension Bailleul Road East Cemetery Cambrai East Military Cemetery Orival Wood Cemetery Couin British Cemetery St. Sever Cemetery Extension Aubigny Communal Cemetery Extension Achiet le Grand Communal Cemetery Euston Road Cemetery Fonquevillers Military Cemetery Longuenesse (St. Omer) Souvenir Cemetery Rue de Baackerot No. 1 Military Cemetery Merville Community Nord Gonnehem British Cemetery With one exception there is just one grave in each cemetery. If anybody could help with even a single photograph I would be most grateful. I have asked CWGC in France to recommend a local photographer I could pay to have these graves photographs and was basically told to get lost because I am not a relative. regards Dennis

If you are only wanting a photo of an individual grave and it is listed on American Battle Monuments, you can get one for free, if you can wait about a month +/- - I don't know if they do it for those that died from other countries. delilah ----- Original Message ----- From: "denniscorbett" <denniscorbett@denniscorbett.e.telefonica.net> To: <GREATWAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 6:43 AM Subject: [GREATWAR] War graves in France | As we are coming up to a new season for trips to France, can I ask if any | kind listers are planning visits to the battlefields in Northern France who | might be willing to take one or more grave photographs for me? | | I need some photos for a non-commercial project from the following | cemeteries: | | Dueville Communal Cemetery Extension | Bailleul Road East Cemetery | Cambrai East Military Cemetery | Orival Wood Cemetery | Couin British Cemetery | St. Sever Cemetery Extension | Aubigny Communal Cemetery Extension | Achiet le Grand Communal Cemetery | Euston Road Cemetery | Fonquevillers Military Cemetery | Longuenesse (St. Omer) Souvenir Cemetery | Rue de Baackerot No. 1 Military Cemetery | Merville Community Nord | Gonnehem British Cemetery | | With one exception there is just one grave in each cemetery. If anybody | could help with even a single photograph I would be most grateful. I have | asked CWGC in France to recommend a local photographer I could pay to have | these graves photographs and was basically told to get lost because I am not | a relative. | | regards | | Dennis | | | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message |

> Monday, March 12, 2007, 12:21:54 AM, you wrote: > Would suggest that the date is the 10th August 1917. > Terry Barrett Hello Terry, That's the way I would read it as well. Mike S

Would suggest that the date is the 10th August 1917. Terry Barrett -------Original Message------- From: Delilah Date: 03/12/07 09:18:54 To: greatwar@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Silver War Badge the date is 8 Oct 1917, the rest looks like it make reference to sections or paragraphs in a book or something ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Evans" <terry_evans@btinternet.com> To: "ww1" <greatwar-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 3:50 PM Subject: [GREATWAR] Silver War Badge |I have a copy of a silver war badge roll on which the comments in the cause of discharge column is as follows | Sickness Par.392 (xvi) KR Par.2 (b) A.O.ii of 10.8.1917. | Can anyone decipher this? Any help will be greatly received | Terry Evans | | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message | ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Terry, Clause xvi of Paragraph 392 of Kings Regulations (KR) concerns soldiers discharged as no longer physically fit for service. There is a full list of them here: http://www.1914-1918.net/discharged.htm A.O. = Army Order so the reference refers to Paragraph 2b Army Order ii of 10.8.1917. I haven't got a copy of the Army Order to hand so can't quote chapter and verse but basically it dealt with the Silver War Badge and laid out the terms under which it might be awarded. Someone else might be able to give you the full quote. Regards Mike Shingleton Sunday, March 11, 2007, 7:50:11 PM, you wrote: > I have a copy of a silver war badge roll on which the comments in > the cause of discharge column is as follows > Sickness Par.392 (xvi) KR Par.2 (b) A.O.ii of 10.8.1917. > Can anyone decipher this? Any help will be greatly received > Terry Evans > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Best regards, Mike mailto:shinglma_64@btopenworld.com

they wrote them backwards, instead of the way we do it, that is the 10th day, 8 month, 1917 - thats the Englih, UK and other countries way they do it - we would probably have 8/10/1917 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry" <terryb@git.com.au> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Silver War Badge | Would suggest that the date is the 10th August 1917. | | | Terry Barrett | | -------Original Message------- | | From: Delilah | Date: 03/12/07 09:18:54 | To: greatwar@rootsweb.com | Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Silver War Badge | | the date is 8 Oct 1917, the rest looks like it make reference to sections or | paragraphs in a book or something | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Terry Evans" <terry_evans@btinternet.com> | To: "ww1" <greatwar-l@rootsweb.com> | Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 3:50 PM | Subject: [GREATWAR] Silver War Badge | | ||I have a copy of a silver war badge roll on which the comments in the cause | of discharge column is as follows || Sickness Par.392 (xvi) KR Par.2 (b) A.O.ii of 10.8.1917. || Can anyone decipher this? Any help will be greatly received || Terry Evans || || || ------------------------------- || To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to | GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes | in the subject and the body of the message || | | | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message |

the date is 8 Oct 1917, the rest looks like it make reference to sections or paragraphs in a book or something ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Evans" <terry_evans@btinternet.com> To: "ww1" <greatwar-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 3:50 PM Subject: [GREATWAR] Silver War Badge |I have a copy of a silver war badge roll on which the comments in the cause of discharge column is as follows | Sickness Par.392 (xvi) KR Par.2 (b) A.O.ii of 10.8.1917. | Can anyone decipher this? Any help will be greatly received | Terry Evans | | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message |