Hi Forrest, Thanks for the info, I shall try Sue direct if she does not see the post by tomorrow. Hope you are well. Best Regards Peter. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Forrest Anderson" <listmail@military-researcher.com> To: <GREATWAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Nurses/VAD > On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 16:02:35 +0100, "Peter Fellowes" > <peter.fellowes@ntlworld.com> wrote: > >>I think a member of this list is researching/collecting or in general >>gathering information about Nurses or VAD or similar. > > Peter > > Sue Light comes to mind, and she's posted here on various subjects > related to nurses. > > The last post I see from on this list is about No 61 CCS on 1 Jan > 2007, and at that time her address was light.sue@gmail.com > > If she doesn't see your posting, you might want to send her a copy > directly. > > Forrest > > -- > Forrest Anderson, Edinburgh, Scotland. > E-mail: forrest@military-researcher.com > Website: www.military-researcher.com > Forrestdale Research - Military Genealogical Researcher > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 16:02:35 +0100, "Peter Fellowes" <peter.fellowes@ntlworld.com> wrote: >I think a member of this list is researching/collecting or in general gathering information about Nurses or VAD or similar. Peter Sue Light comes to mind, and she's posted here on various subjects related to nurses. The last post I see from on this list is about No 61 CCS on 1 Jan 2007, and at that time her address was light.sue@gmail.com If she doesn't see your posting, you might want to send her a copy directly. Forrest -- Forrest Anderson, Edinburgh, Scotland. E-mail: forrest@military-researcher.com Website: www.military-researcher.com Forrestdale Research - Military Genealogical Researcher

I do not wish to confuse the issue, but is/was not a CSM what I knew 50 odd years ago a WO2 and an RSM his senior as WO1. I am not sure if that was the same in all regiments. Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dixon" <dixond2@bigpond.net.au> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 3:57 AM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Question about Honors > Judy, > CSM = Company Sergeant Major > RSM= Regimental Sergeant Major (a bit hazy about this - each > battalion in a regiment had an RSM , don't know how the > > difference was denoted for the head RSM for the whole regiment. Maybe just > " RSM x > Bn" & "RSM y Regt.". I also thought that RSM & CSM were titles, > not > ranks.) >

Greetings to all, I think a member of this list is researching/collecting or in general gathering information about Nurses or VAD or similar. I have just returned from a weeks holiday in Wales and have some photos of various war memorials and memorial tablets from some towns and villages I passed through or stopped at. One I have from Lampeter [small market town in mid Wales] is the town war memorial showing the name of Nurse Ella Richards VAD British Red Cross Society. Her name shows on the front face above any other inscription and again on a side face as part of a list of names. Should the list member who may be interested in this I am more than happy to send copies of the photos as Jpeg attachments to an e mail. Regards to all Peter Fellowes

Judy, CSM = Company Sergeant Major RSM= Regimental Sergeant Major (a bit hazy about this - each battalion in a regiment had an RSM , don't know how the difference was denoted for the head RSM for the whole regiment. Maybe just " RSM x Bn" & "RSM y Regt.". I also thought that RSM & CSM were titles, not ranks.) Suggest you refer for general information to http://www.diggerhistory.info/ (the site covers stuff for both friends & foe) and specifically http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-medals/history.htm Regards, From Oz, Dave Judy White wrote: > While working on another book, which listed the honors by name, do you think > it is possible that the C.M.G. I asked about could be Companion of Saint > Michael and Saint George? > > In the listings for names, from this book it has: > 200239 C.S.M. T. G. Milne I know the number is the persons military number, > his surname is Milne, and T.G. are his initials. Do you know what C.S.M. I > also have others with R.S.M. These men received the Distinguished Conduct > Medal if that makes a difference. > > Thanks > Judy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Taylor" <alan.taylor-howe@ntlworld.com> > To: "'Judy White'" <jwhite@loganet.net>; "WW1 List" <GREATWAR@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 1:06 PM > Subject: RE: [GREATWAR] Question about Honors > > > >> See below >> >> Alan... >> Alan T...{East Midlands UK} >> >> Please visit our family genealogy websites via; >> http://forefathers.homestead.com/ >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com] On >>> >> Behalf Of >> >>> Judy White >>> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 5:34 PM >>> To: GREATWAR@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Question about Honors >>> >>> I have a list of honors given men during World War I, from England. If >>> >> someone could help me it >> >>> would be appreciated. These are from a book I will be putting online >>> shortly. >>> jjwalliswhite@gmail.com >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> V.C. Victoria Cross?[In reply:-] correct >>> C.M.G.[In reply:-] puzzled! There is a CGM = Conspicuous Gallantry Medal >>> D. S.O.[In reply:-] Distinguished Service Order >>> M.C. & BAR[In reply:-] Military Cross [officers only] >>> M.C.[In reply:-] as above >>> D.C.M[In reply:-] Distinguished Conduct Medal >>> D.C.M. & BAR[In reply:-] as above >>> M.M. &Two BARS[In reply:-] as below >>> M.M. & BAR[In reply:-] as below >>> M.M.[In reply:-] Military Medal [other ranks only - see MC] >>> M.S.M.[In reply:-] Meritorious Service Medal >>> >>> >> [In reply:-] a bar means awarded same medal again thus 2 bars - 3 awards, >> you >> cannot have more than one of a medal hence bars. >> >>> ------------------------------- >>> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.448 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/731 - Release Date: >> 23/03/2007 >> 15:27 >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Malcolm, You say : " The Military Cross in WW1 was for Officers and the Military Medal was for other ranks. Nowadays the MC is for both... " Do you know when that disgraceful distinction made between the award of a Military Cross for one man's bravery and the award of the Military Medal for another's, based purely on rank , was finally abolished ? Regards. Patrick Holland. Perth Western Australia. M.G.Fergusson wrote: > V.C. Victoria Cross - correct. > C.M.G. Companion of the most distinguished order of St Michael and St > George > D. S.O. Distinguished Service Order > M.C. & BAR Military Cross awarded twice > M.C. Military Cross > D.C.M Distinguished Conduct Medal > D.C.M. & BAR as above won twice > M.M. &Two BARS Military Medal won three times > M.M. & BAR Military Medal won twice > M.M. Military Medal > M.S.M. Meritorious Service Medal > > The Military Cross in WW1 was for Officers and the Military Medal was for > other ranks. Nowadays the MC is for both and the MM does not exist. > Anything with a bar means it is awarded again. > > Aye > Malcolm > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Listers may find this site of interest: http://www.army.mod.uk/atr/hq_itg/information_pack/rank.htm Stan L. Langley, West Norfolk, U.K. Principal Interests: JICKLING; LANGLEY; RICHMOND; WAD(DE)LOW. ----- Original Message ----- From: "P E Stout" <pestout@xtra.co.nz> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 7:32 AM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Question about Honors - C.S.M. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 401 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now!

Remember also that Canadian Nursing Sisters, who were officers, were also only awarded a Military Medal, presumably not being thought worthy of an MC.

Please note the following 1. The term is "honoura" or awards for gallantry. 2. They were not restricted to men, in 1914-1918 it was almost exclusively men, from England, but to those from the rest of the United Kingdom and the Empire. I note that Bill Gates has underlined in red the word "honours" above. Perhaps we should ban him from visiting Britain. Jim -----Original Message----- From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Judy White Sent: 24 March 2007 17:34 To: GREATWAR@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Question about Honors I have a list of honors given men during World War I, from England. If someone could help me it would be appreciated. These are from a book I will be putting online shortly. jjwalliswhite@gmail.com Thanks V.C. Victoria Cross? C.M.G. D. S.O. M.C. & BAR M.C. D.C.M D.C.M. & BAR M.M. &Two BARS M.M. & BAR M.M. M.S.M. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

See below Alan... Alan T...{East Midlands UK}              Please visit our family genealogy websites via;               http://forefathers.homestead.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Judy White > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 5:34 PM > To: GREATWAR@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Question about Honors > > I have a list of honors given men during World War I, from England. If someone could help me it > would be appreciated. These are from a book I will be putting online shortly. > jjwalliswhite@gmail.com > > Thanks > > V.C. Victoria Cross?[In reply:-] correct > C.M.G.[In reply:-] puzzled! There is a CGM = Conspicuous Gallantry Medal > D. S.O.[In reply:-] Distinguished Service Order > M.C. & BAR[In reply:-] Military Cross [officers only] > M.C.[In reply:-] as above > D.C.M[In reply:-] Distinguished Conduct Medal > D.C.M. & BAR[In reply:-] as above > M.M. &Two BARS[In reply:-] as below > M.M. & BAR[In reply:-] as below > M.M.[In reply:-] Military Medal [other ranks only - see MC] > M.S.M.[In reply:-] Meritorious Service Medal > [In reply:-] a bar means awarded same medal again thus 2 bars - 3 awards, you cannot have more than one of a medal hence bars. > ------------------------------- -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.448 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/731 - Release Date: 23/03/2007 15:27

For all of you who provided information for the names for Honors, here is the first book of three to be put up this week. http://www.bigenealogy.com/fifth-battalion.htm In the pages of the book you will also find many names. Please pass the link on to any one you think might be interested Thanks Judy

V.C. Victoria Cross - correct. C.M.G. Companion of the most distinguished order of St Michael and St George D. S.O. Distinguished Service Order M.C. & BAR Military Cross awarded twice M.C. Military Cross D.C.M Distinguished Conduct Medal D.C.M. & BAR as above won twice M.M. &Two BARS Military Medal won three times M.M. & BAR Military Medal won twice M.M. Military Medal M.S.M. Meritorious Service Medal The Military Cross in WW1 was for Officers and the Military Medal was for other ranks. Nowadays the MC is for both and the MM does not exist. Anything with a bar means it is awarded again. Aye Malcolm

Hiya, Is there anyone with the HUDGELL/HUDGILL name please in your book, thanks so much for the offer, Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy White" <jwhite@loganet.net> To: <GREATWAR@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Question about Honors >I have a list of honors given men during World War I, from England. If >someone could help me it would be appreciated. These are from a book I >will be putting online shortly. jjwalliswhite@gmail.com > > Thanks > > V.C. Victoria Cross? > C.M.G. > D. S.O. > M.C. & BAR > M.C. > D.C.M > D.C.M. & BAR > M.M. &Two BARS > M.M. & BAR > M.M. > M.S.M. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

While working on another book, which listed the honors by name, do you think it is possible that the C.M.G. I asked about could be Companion of Saint Michael and Saint George? In the listings for names, from this book it has: 200239 C.S.M. T. G. Milne I know the number is the persons military number, his surname is Milne, and T.G. are his initials. Do you know what C.S.M. I also have others with R.S.M. These men received the Distinguished Conduct Medal if that makes a difference. Thanks Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Taylor" <alan.taylor-howe@ntlworld.com> To: "'Judy White'" <jwhite@loganet.net>; "WW1 List" <GREATWAR@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 1:06 PM Subject: RE: [GREATWAR] Question about Honors > See below > > Alan... > Alan T...{East Midlands UK} > > Please visit our family genealogy websites via; > http://forefathers.homestead.com/ > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of >> Judy White >> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 5:34 PM >> To: GREATWAR@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Question about Honors >> >> I have a list of honors given men during World War I, from England. If > someone could help me it >> would be appreciated. These are from a book I will be putting online >> shortly. >> jjwalliswhite@gmail.com >> >> Thanks >> >> V.C. Victoria Cross?[In reply:-] correct >> C.M.G.[In reply:-] puzzled! There is a CGM = Conspicuous Gallantry Medal >> D. S.O.[In reply:-] Distinguished Service Order >> M.C. & BAR[In reply:-] Military Cross [officers only] >> M.C.[In reply:-] as above >> D.C.M[In reply:-] Distinguished Conduct Medal >> D.C.M. & BAR[In reply:-] as above >> M.M. &Two BARS[In reply:-] as below >> M.M. & BAR[In reply:-] as below >> M.M.[In reply:-] Military Medal [other ranks only - see MC] >> M.S.M.[In reply:-] Meritorious Service Medal >> > [In reply:-] a bar means awarded same medal again thus 2 bars - 3 awards, > you > cannot have more than one of a medal hence bars. >> ------------------------------- > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.448 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/731 - Release Date: > 23/03/2007 > 15:27 > > > >

While working on another book, which listed the honors by name, do you think it is possible that the C.M.G. I asked about could be Companion of Saint Michael and Saint George? In the listings for names, from this book it has: 200239 C.S.M. T. G. Milne I know the number is the persons military number, his surname is Milne, and T.G. are his initials. Do you know what C.S.M. I also have others with R.S.M. These men received the Distinguished Conduct Medal if that makes a difference. Thanks Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Taylor" <alan.taylor-howe@ntlworld.com> To: "'Judy White'" <jwhite@loganet.net>; "WW1 List" <GREATWAR@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 1:06 PM Subject: RE: [GREATWAR] Question about Honors > See below > > Alan... > Alan T...{East Midlands UK} > > Please visit our family genealogy websites via; > http://forefathers.homestead.com/ > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of >> Judy White >> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 5:34 PM >> To: GREATWAR@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Question about Honors >> >> I have a list of honors given men during World War I, from England. If > someone could help me it >> would be appreciated. These are from a book I will be putting online >> shortly. >> jjwalliswhite@gmail.com >> >> Thanks >> >> V.C. Victoria Cross?[In reply:-] correct >> C.M.G.[In reply:-] puzzled! There is a CGM = Conspicuous Gallantry Medal >> D. S.O.[In reply:-] Distinguished Service Order >> M.C. & BAR[In reply:-] Military Cross [officers only] >> M.C.[In reply:-] as above >> D.C.M[In reply:-] Distinguished Conduct Medal >> D.C.M. & BAR[In reply:-] as above >> M.M. &Two BARS[In reply:-] as below >> M.M. & BAR[In reply:-] as below >> M.M.[In reply:-] Military Medal [other ranks only - see MC] >> M.S.M.[In reply:-] Meritorious Service Medal >> > [In reply:-] a bar means awarded same medal again thus 2 bars - 3 awards, > you > cannot have more than one of a medal hence bars. >> ------------------------------- > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.448 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/731 - Release Date: > 23/03/2007 > 15:27 > > > >

While working on another book, which listed the honors by name, do you think it is possible that the C.M.G. I asked about could be Companion of Saint Michael and Saint George? In the listings for names, from this book it has: 200239 C.S.M. T. G. Milne I know the number is the persons military number, his surname is Milne, and T.G. are his initials. Do you know what C.S.M. I also have others with R.S.M. These men received the Distinguished Conduct Medal if that makes a difference. Thanks Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Taylor" <alan.taylor-howe@ntlworld.com> To: "'Judy White'" <jwhite@loganet.net>; "WW1 List" <GREATWAR@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 1:06 PM Subject: RE: [GREATWAR] Question about Honors > See below > > Alan... > Alan T...{East Midlands UK} > > Please visit our family genealogy websites via; > http://forefathers.homestead.com/ > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of >> Judy White >> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 5:34 PM >> To: GREATWAR@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Question about Honors >> >> I have a list of honors given men during World War I, from England. If > someone could help me it >> would be appreciated. These are from a book I will be putting online >> shortly. >> jjwalliswhite@gmail.com >> >> Thanks >> >> V.C. Victoria Cross?[In reply:-] correct >> C.M.G.[In reply:-] puzzled! There is a CGM = Conspicuous Gallantry Medal >> D. S.O.[In reply:-] Distinguished Service Order >> M.C. & BAR[In reply:-] Military Cross [officers only] >> M.C.[In reply:-] as above >> D.C.M[In reply:-] Distinguished Conduct Medal >> D.C.M. & BAR[In reply:-] as above >> M.M. &Two BARS[In reply:-] as below >> M.M. & BAR[In reply:-] as below >> M.M.[In reply:-] Military Medal [other ranks only - see MC] >> M.S.M.[In reply:-] Meritorious Service Medal >> > [In reply:-] a bar means awarded same medal again thus 2 bars - 3 awards, > you > cannot have more than one of a medal hence bars. >> ------------------------------- > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.448 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/731 - Release Date: > 23/03/2007 > 15:27 > > > >

While working on another book, which listed the honors by name, do you think it is possible that the C.M.G. I asked about could be Companion of Saint Michael and Saint George? Thanks Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Taylor" <alan.taylor-howe@ntlworld.com> To: "'Judy White'" <jwhite@loganet.net>; "WW1 List" <GREATWAR@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 1:06 PM Subject: RE: [GREATWAR] Question about Honors > See below > > Alan... > Alan T...{East Midlands UK} > > Please visit our family genealogy websites via; > http://forefathers.homestead.com/ > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of >> Judy White >> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 5:34 PM >> To: GREATWAR@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Question about Honors >> >> I have a list of honors given men during World War I, from England. If > someone could help me it >> would be appreciated. These are from a book I will be putting online >> shortly. >> jjwalliswhite@gmail.com >> >> Thanks >> >> V.C. Victoria Cross?[In reply:-] correct >> C.M.G.[In reply:-] puzzled! There is a CGM = Conspicuous Gallantry Medal >> D. S.O.[In reply:-] Distinguished Service Order >> M.C. & BAR[In reply:-] Military Cross [officers only] >> M.C.[In reply:-] as above >> D.C.M[In reply:-] Distinguished Conduct Medal >> D.C.M. & BAR[In reply:-] as above >> M.M. &Two BARS[In reply:-] as below >> M.M. & BAR[In reply:-] as below >> M.M.[In reply:-] Military Medal [other ranks only - see MC] >> M.S.M.[In reply:-] Meritorious Service Medal >> > [In reply:-] a bar means awarded same medal again thus 2 bars - 3 awards, > you > cannot have more than one of a medal hence bars. >> ------------------------------- > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.448 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/731 - Release Date: > 23/03/2007 > 15:27 > > > >

I have a list of honors given men during World War I, from England. If someone could help me it would be appreciated. These are from a book I will be putting online shortly. jjwalliswhite@gmail.com Thanks V.C. Victoria Cross? C.M.G. D. S.O. M.C. & BAR M.C. D.C.M D.C.M. & BAR M.M. &Two BARS M.M. & BAR M.M. M.S.M.

Thanks everyone for your very helpful replies to my query Roger

Hello Is it a possibility that RFA stands for Royal Fleet Auxiliary. I do not know when they came into existence but they certainly served during WW2. Jim -----Original Message----- From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roger Davies Sent: 22 March 2007 10:55 To: greatwar@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Enlisting in RFA Thanks John - is it possible do you think that he would describe himself as 'Private, Royal Field Artillery (journeyman baker)' if he was just a TA member? Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Chapman" <john@purley.demon.co.uk> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Enlisting in RFA > > Remember that the RFA was a Territorial unit and hence he could easily > have joined the territorials when he came out of the Navy but was not > required for service in the early part of the war and then rejoined the > Navy in 1918 > > regards > > John > > > In message <006a01c76c66$d9e6bcf0$4002a8c0@ROGERSOFFICE2>, Roger Davies > <roger.davies42@ntlworld.com> writes >>I have an ancestor who left the Royal Navy in 1907, age 17, was >>described as a private in the Royal Field Artillery in October 1914, >>conceived a child in London in July 1915, was working there as a >>civilian baker in April 1916, and rejoined the Navy in 1918. No record >>of any army service at Kew but his naval record is there. >> >>Anyone got any ideas what might have happened? Is it possible he >>enlisted and was subsequently rejected, perhaps on medical grounds, but >>that the Navy was so desparate for men in 1918 that they took him >>anyway? He was certainly healthy in later life. >> >>Any ideas greatfully received >> >>Roger >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > -- > John Chapman > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message