Hi Derek Many thanks - I am of to look at the gazettes!!!!! Vicky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Driscoll" <derekjd@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 7:43 AM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Northumberland Fusiliers > Victoria see > > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/ > Medal card of Hooson, J L > Corps Regiment No Rank > Northumberland Fusiliers 526 Private > Date 1914-1920 > Catalogue reference WO 372/10 > > There are also 12 ref's to Hooson in the > http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/ww1.asp?webType=0 they may be related ? > Click on Archive /full search put in HOOSON and they should come up, I > will > let you find them as it will be more interesting and enjoyable for you. > Regards > Derek > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Victoria Read" <vik.read3@ntlworld.com> > To: <GREATWAR@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 8:37 PM > Subject: [GREATWAR] Northumberland Fusiliers > > >> Hello List >> >> I am interested in any information that any kind soul can supply about >> the >> Northumberland Fusiliers - 1st Bat, in particular a Private John Lloyd >> Hooson. >> >> I understand that records of individuals are not always available but I >> would like to gain an insight to this regiment and its roles. Any info, >> tips or places to look or read would be appreciated. >> >> Many thanks >> >> Vicky >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Victoria see http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/ Medal card of Hooson, J L Corps Regiment No Rank Northumberland Fusiliers 526 Private Date 1914-1920 Catalogue reference WO 372/10 There are also 12 ref's to Hooson in the http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/ww1.asp?webType=0 they may be related ? Click on Archive /full search put in HOOSON and they should come up, I will let you find them as it will be more interesting and enjoyable for you. Regards Derek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victoria Read" <vik.read3@ntlworld.com> To: <GREATWAR@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 8:37 PM Subject: [GREATWAR] Northumberland Fusiliers > Hello List > > I am interested in any information that any kind soul can supply about the > Northumberland Fusiliers - 1st Bat, in particular a Private John Lloyd > Hooson. > > I understand that records of individuals are not always available but I > would like to gain an insight to this regiment and its roles. Any info, > tips or places to look or read would be appreciated. > > Many thanks > > Vicky > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello List I am interested in any information that any kind soul can supply about the Northumberland Fusiliers - 1st Bat, in particular a Private John Lloyd Hooson. I understand that records of individuals are not always available but I would like to gain an insight to this regiment and its roles. Any info, tips or places to look or read would be appreciated. Many thanks Vicky

Hi Rob, On the way shortly as Jpeg attachments to e mail. Let me know if any problems regards Peter Fellowes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Bolger" <robert.bolger@ntlworld.com> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Nurses/VAD > Peter, > > I would be very interested. > > Regards, > > Rob > > -----Original Message----- > From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com]On > Behalf Of Peter Fellowes > Sent: 25 March 2007 16:03 > To: greatwar@rootsweb.com > Subject: [GREATWAR] Nurses/VAD > > > Greetings to all, > I think a member of this list is researching/collecting or in general > gathering information about Nurses or VAD or similar. I have just returned > from a weeks holiday in Wales and have some photos of various war > memorials > and memorial tablets from some towns and villages I passed through or > stopped at. > > One I have from Lampeter [small market town in mid Wales] is the town war > memorial showing the name of Nurse Ella Richards VAD British Red Cross > Society. Her name shows on the front face above any other inscription and > again on a side face as part of a list of names. > > Should the list member who may be interested in this I am more than happy > to > send copies of the photos as Jpeg attachments to an e mail. > > Regards to all > Peter Fellowes > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/734 - Release Date: > 26/03/2007 > 14:31 > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/734 - Release Date: > 26/03/2007 > 14:31 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Rob, I don't know if your interest in female contribution to the allies war effort extends outside Britain but we have recently re-published a couple of books which I am pleased to say recognized the efforts of other than the members of the military, male, domain. Both are/were publications about Canadians. "Nova Scotia's Part in the Great War," CA0204, recognizes not only the nurses (by name) but also the contribution made by those who served from within Canada both as members of the military and as members of civilian organizations. The male, military, occupy most of the book of course. The other is: "Canada" - April through August, 1916, CA0202. This is a collection if issues of a weekly news publication (actually published in London, England) providing reports of the war, and those involved, from the Canadian perspective. (There is also a good deal of domestic news but - frankly - nothing particularly spectacular.) This publication also devotes a share of space to the contributions and careers of the nursing core. This publication is analogous to the London Gazette except that it is more or less exclusively devoted to Canadian topics. We have only located this one set of issues so far, but are making enquiries to obtain access to further issues so we can start to fill in a the whole series. There is more information on our web site if you want to look into these two CDs further. I have been aware of the poor recognition of the female effort in the Gt. War in our other re-publications, and so was very pleased when these two came our way. Malcolm Archive CD Books Canada Inc. President: Malcolm Moody PO Box 11 Manotick Ontario, K4M 1A2 Canada. (613) 692-2667 WEB SITE: http://www.ArchiveCDBooks.ca > Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:55:24 +0100 > From: "Rob Bolger" <robert.bolger@ntlworld.com> > Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Nurses/VAD > To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <HMEKIJKPIANIPMEAODPOMEGJCAAA.robert.bolger@ntlworld.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" > > Peter, > > I would be very interested. > > Regards, > > Rob > > -----Original Message----- > From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com]On > Behalf Of Peter Fellowes > Sent: 25 March 2007 16:03 > To: greatwar@rootsweb.com > Subject: [GREATWAR] Nurses/VAD > > > Greetings to all, > I think a member of this list is researching/collecting or in general > gathering information about Nurses or VAD or similar. ..... > <snip>

If anyone has an interest in the history of the 2nd Engineers, I have been developing a small website at http://cdf-oregon.com/cdf/ww1/2nd-engrs.htm . New content is added on a regular basis. The 2nd Engineers are best known for assisting the Marines at Belleau Wood. They also fought at Chateau Thierry, Soissons, St. Mihiel, Blanc Mont, Attigny, and the Argonne. Feedback is welcome with regard to errors or missing information. Regards, Mitch

Peter, I would be very interested. Regards, Rob -----Original Message----- From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Peter Fellowes Sent: 25 March 2007 16:03 To: greatwar@rootsweb.com Subject: [GREATWAR] Nurses/VAD Greetings to all, I think a member of this list is researching/collecting or in general gathering information about Nurses or VAD or similar. I have just returned from a weeks holiday in Wales and have some photos of various war memorials and memorial tablets from some towns and villages I passed through or stopped at. One I have from Lampeter [small market town in mid Wales] is the town war memorial showing the name of Nurse Ella Richards VAD British Red Cross Society. Her name shows on the front face above any other inscription and again on a side face as part of a list of names. Should the list member who may be interested in this I am more than happy to send copies of the photos as Jpeg attachments to an e mail. Regards to all Peter Fellowes ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/734 - Release Date: 26/03/2007 14:31 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/734 - Release Date: 26/03/2007 14:31

Forrest Thanks again The picture is starting to come together. Westney enlisted in Melbourne on 8 August 1914, three days before Australian enlistments began. So it makes sense that enlistment, even from Australia, at that date was in the British Army. This would also explain a very simple two page 'enlistment' record in our archives. When he first arrived in Australia is yet to be ascertained however he apparently left a young lady very pregnant in London. Perhaps that is why he came over here in the first place - shame and scandal in the family!!!!. Three weeks before enlisting, this young lady gave birth to a son in London. To give Westney his due, he eventually married this young lady, and together with his son, came back to Australia after the war. This son served in the Australian Army in the 2nd World War. They also adopted a family of British war orphans. The name Westney is very rare in Australia, with only about 6 in the national white pages. I suspect that they may well be related and will more than likely follow up on these. What started out as curiosity over an unusual entry on the Honour Roll has turned into a rather interesting, albeit small, piece of research. Your assistance has been very much appreciated. Regards Geoff -----Original Message----- From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Anderson Sent: Tuesday, 27 March 2007 2:57 AM To: GREATWAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Westney P E, DCM. MM On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 23:13:32 +1000, you wrote: >Westney was obviously a late addition to the memorial with his name being >out of order and his honours also being out of order. Perhaps someone thought they should be written in chronological order! >The past 48 hours, with a new bloodhound on the trail, has revealed all the >evidence I need to ensure that his name remains on the memorial as the most >highly decorated WWI veteran from the district. Good! He may not have been born in the area, which is the most common criteria for being on a local war memorial, but it looks like he settled there at some point and probably looked upon it as home. I wonder if he's got family down there? >To complete the story I think that I will obtain a copy of his service >records. Could you please tell me where I can obtain these? Is it from the >PRO in Kew? It is so long since I have researched this area that I have >forgotten. So long as he didn't serve in the British Army after about 1920-1921, there is a chance that his Service Record is at the National Archives at Kew. Not all these Service Records have survived, but for the 30-40% that have, they are on microfilm in the Burnt or Unburnt Documents collections (WO363 and WO 364). See <http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/pathways/firstworldwar/service_records/s r_soldiers.htm> for more information. The microfilms are also available through the LDS Family History Library system. If he did serve after about 1920-1921, and the documents survived the bombing in WW2, then the Ministry of Defence probably still has them. Next of kin can apply for a copy for a fee of 30 GBP, as can other people with the written permission of the NOK - see http://www.veteransagency.mod.uk/service_records/service_records.html and http://www.veteransagency.mod.uk/service_records/army.html for info. Forrest -- Forrest Anderson, Edinburgh, Scotland. E-mail: forrest@military-researcher.com Website: www.military-researcher.com Forrestdale Research - Military Genealogical Researcher ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All: Re British Medals, the Military Cross (MC) & Military Medal (MM), it appears from the Canadian Veterans website that the MM was for Warrant Officers, NCOs and Men, while the MC was for officers up to the substantive rank of Captain only (but including Acting/Temporary Major), and Warrant Officers (were they eligible for either MC or MM?). The Air Force & Navy also had different medals for different ranks: [Air] Distinguished Flying Cross & Distinguished Flying Medal [Navy] Distinguished Service Cross (originally the Conspicuous Service Cross for Warrant Officers and Lieutenants only) and the Conspicuous Gallantry Medal This is historic, but does it apply to WWII as well as WWI? The Canadian Veterans website (the rules would be similar for all Commonwealth countries): http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/remembers/sub.cfm?source=collections/cmdp/mainmenu/ group01 Yours, John Wilson > > M.C. & BAR Military Cross awarded twice > > M.C. Military Cross > > D.C.M Distinguished Conduct Medal > > D.C.M. & BAR as above won twice > > M.M. &Two BARS Military Medal won three times > > M.M. & BAR Military Medal won twice > > M.M. Military Medal > > M.S.M. Meritorious Service Medal > > > > The Military Cross in WW1 was for Officers and the Military Medal was for > > other ranks. Nowadays the MC is for both and the MM does not exist. > > Anything with a bar means it is awarded again. > >

Forrest Many thanks for your information. Some time after WW1 two Honour Rolls were engraved in granite to commemorate those local residents who answered the call to war. These rolls were eventually placed in the care of the local Returned and Services League of which I am on the committee. Over the years these memorials have have been found to be in need of restoration and we are about to undertake that program. Westney was obviously a late addition to the memorial with his name being out of order and his honours also being out of order. An extensive search through Australian military archives had failed to identify Westney in Australia and questions were being asked as to whether he really existed. The past 48 hours, with a new bloodhound on the trail, has revealed all the evidence I need to ensure that his name remains on the memorial as the most highly decorated WWI veteran from the district. To complete the story I think that I will obtain a copy of his service records. Could you please tell me where I can obtain these? Is it from the PRO in Kew? It is so long since I have researched this area that I have forgotten. Kind regards Geoff -----Original Message----- From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Anderson Sent: Monday, 26 March 2007 5:07 PM To: GREATWAR-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Westney P E, DCM. MM On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:04:45 +1000, "Geoff Dare" <gadare@tpg.com.au> wrote: >I am seeking information on Philip Edward WESTNEY DCM. MM., >Westney appears on a 1914-1918 memorial commemorating those who resided and >enlisted in my local area in Melbourne, Australia. >His name was last on the memorial, out of alpha order and his honours were >also reversed (ie MM DCM). If the entry is accurate(?) Westney would have >been the most highly decorated veteran from the area... >Was Philip in the British Army and did he receive his honours whilst serving >with them? The answer is yes to both questions - he received both the MM and DCM whilst serving in the Royal Field Artillery of the British Army in 1916-1917. He was also Mentioned in Despatches. His MM was announced on page 10932 of the London Gazette of 11 Nov 1916 at <http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveViewFrameSetup.asp?IssueNumber=2981 9&pageNumber=16&SearchFor=&PageDuplicate=n&selMedalType=&selHonourType=> ------------- His Majesty the KING has been graciously pleased to award the Military Medal for bravery in the field to the undermentioned Non-Commissioned Officers and Men:- 29558 Bombr. P. E. Westney, R.F.A. ------------- He was Mentioned in General Haig's Despatch on page 191 of the London Gazette of 4 Jan 1917 at <http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveViewFrameSetup.asp?webtype=0&IssueN umber=29890&PageDuplicate=n&pageNumber=21&SearchFor=&selMedalType=&selHonour Type=> ------------- War Office, 2nd January, 1917. The following despatch has been received by the Secretary of State for War from General Sir Douglas Haig, G.C.B., Commander-in- Chief of the British Armies in France: - General Headquarters, 13th November, 1916. Sir, I have the honour to submit a list of names of those officers, ladies, non-commissioned officers and men, serving, or who have served, under my command, whose distinguished and gallant services and devotion to duty I consider deserving of special mention. I have the honour to be, Sir, Your obedient Servant, D. HAIG, General. Commander-in-Chief, The British Armies in France. ROYAL FIELD ARTILLERY. Westney, No. 29558 Bombr. P. E. -------------------- His DCM was announced on page 7270 of the London Gazette of 18 Jul, 1917 at http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveViewFrameSetup.asp?webtype=0&IssueNu mber=30188&pageNumber=62&SearchFor=&PageDuplicate=n&selMedalType=&selHonourT ype= -------------------- His Majesty the KING has been graciously pleased to approve of the award of the Distinguished Conduct Medal to the undermentioned Warrant Officers, Noncommissioned Officers and Men, for acts of gallantry and devotion to duty in the Field :- 29558 A./Cpl. P. E. Westney, R.F.A. For conspicuous gallantry and devotion to duty. His battery was subjected to very heavy shelling, which cut telephonic communication with the brigade. He patrolled the line incessantly, and repeatedly repaired the breakages, and it was entirely due to his courage and determination that communication was never lost for more than a few minutes. His conduct at all times showed splendid fearlessness of the same nature and total disregard of personal safety. ------------------------ >A Philip Edward Westney died and was cremated in Melbourne in 1960, aged 74. >There is no known death memorial. It is quite likely that this is the same man. Perhaps he went to live in Australia sometime after WW1, and in view of his gallantry in WW1, the local officials decided to add him to the war memorial when he died. There are no hard and fast rules as to who should be included on a war memorial. If you search for his Medal Index Card at <http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/browse-refine.asp?CatID= 10&searchType=browserefine&pagenumber=1&query=*&queryType=1> you should find four images you can download (although one is for R E Westney): Medal card of Westney, Philip E Corps: Royal Field Artillery Regiment No: 29558 Rank: Gunner... 1914-1920 WO 372/21 Medal card of Westney, R E Corps: Royal Field Artillery Regiment No: 29558 Rank: Bombardier 1914-1920 WO 372/24 Medal card of Westney, P E Corps: Royal Field Artillery Regiment No: 29558 Rank: Bombardier 1914-1920 WO 372/23 Medal card of Westney, P E Corps: Royal Field Artillery Regiment No: 29558 Rank: Acting Corporal 1914-1920 WO 372/23 The one with reference WO 372/21 will tell you which campaign medals he was awarded, and may perhaps have other details. See http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/medals.asp for a guide. The one ending /24 will give the edition of the London Gazette that announced his Mention in Despatches. The two ending with /23 will give the edition of the London Gazette that announced his DCM and MM. Although you now know the London Gazette references from above, it is likely that one of these cards will give his unit (eg Brigade/Battery) within the Royal Field Artillery at the time of the award, although he may have served with several other units during his time in the RFA. Forrest -- Forrest Anderson, Edinburgh, Scotland. E-mail: forrest@military-researcher.com Website: www.military-researcher.com Forrestdale Research - Military Genealogical Researcher ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi: I have obtained two possible medal cards from the indexs for my man (Gordon HUNTER) and was wondering if it is from these that I can get an actual service record, and determine if one of them is definitely mine? I live in Canada and will have to employ the services of a local researcher, but I'm not sure what kind of reference number they will need from the roll card? Is this is a relatively "easy" thing to do i.e. am I looking at a lot of hours research, or perhaps just one? Thank you. Linda

On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 23:13:32 +1000, you wrote: >Westney was obviously a late addition to the memorial with his name being >out of order and his honours also being out of order. Perhaps someone thought they should be written in chronological order! >The past 48 hours, with a new bloodhound on the trail, has revealed all the >evidence I need to ensure that his name remains on the memorial as the most >highly decorated WWI veteran from the district. Good! He may not have been born in the area, which is the most common criteria for being on a local war memorial, but it looks like he settled there at some point and probably looked upon it as home. I wonder if he's got family down there? >To complete the story I think that I will obtain a copy of his service >records. Could you please tell me where I can obtain these? Is it from the >PRO in Kew? It is so long since I have researched this area that I have >forgotten. So long as he didn't serve in the British Army after about 1920-1921, there is a chance that his Service Record is at the National Archives at Kew. Not all these Service Records have survived, but for the 30-40% that have, they are on microfilm in the Burnt or Unburnt Documents collections (WO363 and WO 364). See <http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/pathways/firstworldwar/service_records/sr_soldiers.htm> for more information. The microfilms are also available through the LDS Family History Library system. If he did serve after about 1920-1921, and the documents survived the bombing in WW2, then the Ministry of Defence probably still has them. Next of kin can apply for a copy for a fee of 30 GBP, as can other people with the written permission of the NOK - see http://www.veteransagency.mod.uk/service_records/service_records.html and http://www.veteransagency.mod.uk/service_records/army.html for info. Forrest -- Forrest Anderson, Edinburgh, Scotland. E-mail: forrest@military-researcher.com Website: www.military-researcher.com Forrestdale Research - Military Genealogical Researcher

Good evening, I have a copy of a document issued to my uncle which says that he was, " Transferred to Army Reserves on the 28th. March 1919 in consequence of Demobilization ". The document (Army Form 2 or Z ...... ) is entitled, " CERTIFICATE of .................... on Demobilization " The space I have marked as ......... included 4 possible choices : Discharged, Transferred to Army Reserve, Disembodied, Demobilized. In my uncle' s case it contained the, Transferred to Army Reserve option. The other options were struck out. The document contained quite a lot of useful information about my uncle, for example, when he enlisted, his year of birth, his Army number, the regiment and or other regiments he served in, overseas service and a mention of the gallantry medal he was awarded. I would like to find the same sort of documents for his father and 4 other brothers who served in the war. Does anybody know where copies of these documents would have been kept ? I can send a copy of my uncle's document as an attachment if anyone would like to see a copy of the actual form. Regards. Patrick Holland. Perth Western Australia

Malcolm, Spot on. That 's exactly the information I wanted to see. By the way, did you see this article ? It 's not about WW1 or WW2 but, I think that you will agree, its a great story. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/03/22/norris22.xml Kind regards. Patrick. Perth western Australia. M.G.Fergusson wrote: > Patrick, > I think 1993 but the following site will give more details. > http://www.stephen-stratford.co.uk/gallantry.htm > > Aye > Malcolm > > > -----Original Message----- > From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of patrick holland > Sent: 25 March 2007 03:37 > To: greatwar@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Question about Honors > > > Malcolm, > > You say : > > " The Military Cross in WW1 was for Officers and the Military Medal was for > other ranks. Nowadays the MC is for both... " > > > Do you know when that disgraceful distinction made between the award of > a Military Cross for one man's bravery and the award of the Military > Medal for another's, based purely on rank , was finally abolished ? > > > Regards. > > Patrick Holland. > > Perth Western Australia. > > > > > M.G.Fergusson wrote: > >> V.C. Victoria Cross - correct. >> C.M.G. Companion of the most distinguished order of St Michael and St >> George >> D. S.O. Distinguished Service Order >> M.C. & BAR Military Cross awarded twice >> M.C. Military Cross >> D.C.M Distinguished Conduct Medal >> D.C.M. & BAR as above won twice >> M.M. &Two BARS Military Medal won three times >> M.M. & BAR Military Medal won twice >> M.M. Military Medal >> M.S.M. Meritorious Service Medal >> >> The Military Cross in WW1 was for Officers and the Military Medal was for >> other ranks. Nowadays the MC is for both and the MM does not exist. >> Anything with a bar means it is awarded again. >> >> Aye >> Malcolm >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I am seeking information on Philip Edward WESTNEY DCM. MM., Westney appears on a 1914-1918 memorial commemorating those who resided and enlisted in my local area in Melbourne, Australia. His name was last on the memorial, out of alpha order and his honours were also reversed (ie MM DCM). If the entry is accurate(?) Westney would have been the most highly decorated veteran from the area. I have been unable to find any record of him in the area at that time. He does not appear on official nominal or Commemorative or Honour Rolls held by the Australian War Memorial. The National Archives do however have a typed 'note' of a P Westney, Driver RFA (Royal Field Artillery?) 29558, age 29 in 1914, single, NOK Mother 17 Rosebank Street, Bow, London. The service number is well outside the range used in Australia at the time. A Philip Edward Westney died and was cremated in Melbourne in 1960, aged 74. There is no known death memorial. Was Philip in the British Army and did he receive his honours whilst serving with them? Any information would be appreciated. Geoff Dare

On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:04:45 +1000, "Geoff Dare" <gadare@tpg.com.au> wrote: >I am seeking information on Philip Edward WESTNEY DCM. MM., >Westney appears on a 1914-1918 memorial commemorating those who resided and >enlisted in my local area in Melbourne, Australia. >His name was last on the memorial, out of alpha order and his honours were >also reversed (ie MM DCM). If the entry is accurate(?) Westney would have >been the most highly decorated veteran from the area... >Was Philip in the British Army and did he receive his honours whilst serving >with them? The answer is yes to both questions - he received both the MM and DCM whilst serving in the Royal Field Artillery of the British Army in 1916-1917. He was also Mentioned in Despatches. His MM was announced on page 10932 of the London Gazette of 11 Nov 1916 at <http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveViewFrameSetup.asp?IssueNumber=29819&pageNumber=16&SearchFor=&PageDuplicate=n&selMedalType=&selHonourType=> ------------- His Majesty the KING has been graciously pleased to award the Military Medal for bravery in the field to the undermentioned Non-Commissioned Officers and Men:— 29558 Bombr. P. E. Westney, R.F.A. ------------- He was Mentioned in General Haig's Despatch on page 191 of the London Gazette of 4 Jan 1917 at <http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveViewFrameSetup.asp?webtype=0&IssueNumber=29890&PageDuplicate=n&pageNumber=21&SearchFor=&selMedalType=&selHonourType=> ------------- War Office, 2nd January, 1917. The following despatch has been received by the Secretary of State for War from General Sir Douglas Haig, G.C.B., Commander-in- Chief of the British Armies in France: — General Headquarters, 13th November, 1916. Sir, I have the honour to submit a list of names of those officers, ladies, non-commissioned officers and men, serving, or who have served, under my command, whose distinguished and gallant services and devotion to duty I consider deserving of special mention. I have the honour to be, Sir, Your obedient Servant, D. HAIG, General. Commander-in-Chief, The British Armies in France. ROYAL FIELD ARTILLERY. Westney, No. 29558 Bombr. P. E. -------------------- His DCM was announced on page 7270 of the London Gazette of 18 Jul, 1917 at http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveViewFrameSetup.asp?webtype=0&IssueNumber=30188&pageNumber=62&SearchFor=&PageDuplicate=n&selMedalType=&selHonourType= -------------------- His Majesty the KING has been graciously pleased to approve of the award of the Distinguished Conduct Medal to the undermentioned Warrant Officers, Noncommissioned Officers and Men, for acts of gallantry and devotion to duty in the Field :— 29558 A./Cpl. P. E. Westney, R.F.A. For conspicuous gallantry and devotion to duty. His battery was subjected to very heavy shelling, which cut telephonic communication with the brigade. He patrolled the line incessantly, and repeatedly repaired the breakages, and it was entirely due to his courage and determination that communication was never lost for more than a few minutes. His conduct at all times showed splendid fearlessness of the same nature and total disregard of personal safety. ------------------------ >A Philip Edward Westney died and was cremated in Melbourne in 1960, aged 74. >There is no known death memorial. It is quite likely that this is the same man. Perhaps he went to live in Australia sometime after WW1, and in view of his gallantry in WW1, the local officials decided to add him to the war memorial when he died. There are no hard and fast rules as to who should be included on a war memorial. If you search for his Medal Index Card at <http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/browse-refine.asp?CatID=10&searchType=browserefine&pagenumber=1&query=*&queryType=1> you should find four images you can download (although one is for R E Westney): Medal card of Westney, Philip E Corps: Royal Field Artillery Regiment No: 29558 Rank: Gunner... 1914-1920 WO 372/21 Medal card of Westney, R E Corps: Royal Field Artillery Regiment No: 29558 Rank: Bombardier 1914-1920 WO 372/24 Medal card of Westney, P E Corps: Royal Field Artillery Regiment No: 29558 Rank: Bombardier 1914-1920 WO 372/23 Medal card of Westney, P E Corps: Royal Field Artillery Regiment No: 29558 Rank: Acting Corporal 1914-1920 WO 372/23 The one with reference WO 372/21 will tell you which campaign medals he was awarded, and may perhaps have other details. See http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/medals.asp for a guide. The one ending /24 will give the edition of the London Gazette that announced his Mention in Despatches. The two ending with /23 will give the edition of the London Gazette that announced his DCM and MM. Although you now know the London Gazette references from above, it is likely that one of these cards will give his unit (eg Brigade/Battery) within the Royal Field Artillery at the time of the award, although he may have served with several other units during his time in the RFA. Forrest -- Forrest Anderson, Edinburgh, Scotland. E-mail: forrest@military-researcher.com Website: www.military-researcher.com Forrestdale Research - Military Genealogical Researcher

Peter, How things have changed. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/03/22/norris22.xml Regards. Patrick Holland. Perth Western Australia. Peter Gower wrote: > Remember also that Canadian Nursing Sisters, who were officers, were also > only awarded a Military Medal, presumably not being thought worthy of an MC. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I was able to finish the rest of the World War I books and finished putting them online you can view them here. The 23 (Service) Battalion Royal Fusiliers http://www.bigenealogy.com/royal-fusilers.htm The Nominal Roll contains 2161 names. Fifth Battalion, Highland Light Infantry http://www.bigenealogy.com/fifth-battalion.htm The Roll of Officers, Warrant and Men contains about 300 names The Fifth Leicestershire http://www.bigenealogy.com/fifth-leicestershire.htm It has about 200 names. You are welcome to pass this on to others you think would be interested. Enjoy Judy

Hi, I think that in the case you refer to "200239 C.S.M. T.G. Milne", the C.S.M. is his rank in this case Company Sergeant Major, R.S.M. being Regimential Sergeant Major. Regards Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy White" <jwhite@loganet.net> To: "Alan Taylor" <alan.taylor-howe@ntlworld.com>; "WW1 List" <GREATWAR@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Question about Honors > While working on another book, which listed the honors by name, do you > think > it is possible that the C.M.G. I asked about could be Companion of Saint > Michael and Saint George? > > In the listings for names, from this book it has: > 200239 C.S.M. T. G. Milne I know the number is the persons military > number, > his surname is Milne, and T.G. are his initials. Do you know what C.S.M. > I > also have others with R.S.M. These men received the Distinguished Conduct > Medal if that makes a difference. > > Thanks > Judy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Taylor" <alan.taylor-howe@ntlworld.com> > To: "'Judy White'" <jwhite@loganet.net>; "WW1 List" > <GREATWAR@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 1:06 PM > Subject: RE: [GREATWAR] Question about Honors > > >> See below >> >> Alan... >> Alan T...{East Midlands UK} >> >> Please visit our family genealogy websites via; >> http://forefathers.homestead.com/ >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com] On >> Behalf Of >>> Judy White >>> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 5:34 PM >>> To: GREATWAR@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Question about Honors >>> >>> I have a list of honors given men during World War I, from England. If >> someone could help me it >>> would be appreciated. These are from a book I will be putting online >>> shortly. >>> jjwalliswhite@gmail.com >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> V.C. Victoria Cross?[In reply:-] correct >>> C.M.G.[In reply:-] puzzled! There is a CGM = Conspicuous Gallantry >>> Medal >>> D. S.O.[In reply:-] Distinguished Service Order >>> M.C. & BAR[In reply:-] Military Cross [officers only] >>> M.C.[In reply:-] as above >>> D.C.M[In reply:-] Distinguished Conduct Medal >>> D.C.M. & BAR[In reply:-] as above >>> M.M. &Two BARS[In reply:-] as below >>> M.M. & BAR[In reply:-] as below >>> M.M.[In reply:-] Military Medal [other ranks only - see MC] >>> M.S.M.[In reply:-] Meritorious Service Medal >>> >> [In reply:-] a bar means awarded same medal again thus 2 bars - 3 awards, >> you >> cannot have more than one of a medal hence bars. >>> ------------------------------- >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.448 / Virus Database: 268.18.17/731 - Release Date: >> 23/03/2007 >> 15:27 >> >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Patrick, I think 1993 but the following site will give more details. http://www.stephen-stratford.co.uk/gallantry.htm Aye Malcolm -----Original Message----- From: greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:greatwar-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of patrick holland Sent: 25 March 2007 03:37 To: greatwar@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Question about Honors Malcolm, You say : " The Military Cross in WW1 was for Officers and the Military Medal was for other ranks. Nowadays the MC is for both... " Do you know when that disgraceful distinction made between the award of a Military Cross for one man's bravery and the award of the Military Medal for another's, based purely on rank , was finally abolished ? Regards. Patrick Holland. Perth Western Australia. M.G.Fergusson wrote: > V.C. Victoria Cross - correct. > C.M.G. Companion of the most distinguished order of St Michael and St > George > D. S.O. Distinguished Service Order > M.C. & BAR Military Cross awarded twice > M.C. Military Cross > D.C.M Distinguished Conduct Medal > D.C.M. & BAR as above won twice > M.M. &Two BARS Military Medal won three times > M.M. & BAR Military Medal won twice > M.M. Military Medal > M.S.M. Meritorious Service Medal > > The Military Cross in WW1 was for Officers and the Military Medal was for > other ranks. Nowadays the MC is for both and the MM does not exist. > Anything with a bar means it is awarded again. > > Aye > Malcolm > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message