With all respect for Toynbee, who became one of Britain's foremost intellectual historians , you may want note that both books you mention (the second has the title Belgian Deportations) were published in 1917 while the war was still in progress and well before passions had time to cool. I can suggest equally scholarly and much more recent work on both subjects. LGS ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

I recently purchased a copy of Toynbee's "The German Terror in France". I have seen Toynbee described as "something of a specialist in atrocity propaganda'", with the suggestion that the book, as well as its companion "The German Terror in Belgium", were really exaggeration propaganda written with the primary object of changing the attitudes of the American Population. Before starting on the book - I have plenty of others to read - I would appreciate any information or opinions of these books. Thanking you David

I`m hoping in the near future to be able to visit the P.R.O. To view the war diary of the 11th Yorkshire Regiment in WW1 in which my grandfather served and was wounded, probably at one of the battles of the Somme. My first problem is that the P.R.O. has 2 diaries, one for the 11th battalion East Yorkshire and one for the 11th battalion West Yorkshire. The enlistment information I have says he was posted to the 11th by 19th Aug 1915. On the medal card I have for his regiment it just says, Yorkshire Light Infantry. He (Christopher George Carter) lived in Gateshead and he enlisted in Gateshead in Durham, so it`s not easy to link to either East or West Yorkshire. Can anyone help work out which diary I need to read? I`m not expecting finding his name mentioned I believe this is rare, but would hate to get it all wrong. He was according to his record, sent home wounded in September 1916. I found this in the Green Howards Newsletter and got the attestment details from the Green Howards. 23159 Carter C G B in the age column? , date of attestment 7 8/15 , attested Gateshead , Posted to 11th By 19.8.15 Found in The Green Howards Gazette September 1916, included in the roll of honour. Wounded 23159 C.G.Carter Would anyone know what the B in the age column could stand for? Thanks for any help with this. George Carter in Whaley Bridge No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.4/790 - Release Date: 05/05/2007 10:34

To: Great War List Re: Somme Bullet Many thanks Delilah and Ray for your replies. I am sending by separate e-mail pics of the casing lengthwise and endwise for you to look at. Best wishes Tony Holkham Researching 19th Manchesters PALS (Cpl Ernest Briggs) Message: 1 Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 03:45:12 -0400 From: Tony Holkham <Holkham@compuserve.com> Subject: [GREATWAR] Somme bullet To: GreatWarList <GREATWAR@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <200705070345_MC3-1-E2E9-C33C@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 To: Great War List Re: Somme bullet id Can someone help with this please? I have been given a bullet casing found on the Somme (where my grandfather fought with the 19th Manchesters). On the base are several numbers and letters. Looking at it as a circle, in an arc at the top are the letters I A R T D I, and in an arc at the bottom the letters E B S I. Separating these two arcs on the right are the numbers 02 or 92 horizontally together, and on the left what look like the numbers 1 (with a tail as in continental writing style) and possibly 2 (or it may be a Z). The casing looks to be about 12mm across at the base, narrowing gradually at first then more so in the top 10mm, and about 50mm total length, with the opening at the top about 8mm in diameter. I'm guessing it's French or German but have no experience of these things. Also found in the same area were several small, heavy ballsabout 12mm in diameter which look like grape shot. Would this be the case, or could they be musket balls perhaps from an earlier conflict? Thanks and best wishes, Tony Holkham Researching 19th Manchesters PALS (Cpl Ernest Briggs) ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 11:43:32 -0400 From: "Delilah" <diamond6468@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Somme bullet To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <004b01c790be$783e8e20$6c849804@delilahs> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Is there a way you can send to my e-mail a photo of this - the initials may stand for the manufacturer, the numbers may be the size of the ammo - thats why I would like to look at it, if possible - can you tell me in inches what your mm might be - is there anything stamped on the bottom of the casing - that may tell the size delilah ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 20:40:27 +0100 From: "ray parker" <rlp@shikari.fsnet.co.uk> Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Somme bullet To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <001901c790df$91657280$6d8087d9@k0w8g6> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Re Somme Relic. This looks like a 8mm Lebel Rifle round. The case dimensions would be defined as 8x50R. The 02or 92 would be the manufacture date, ie: 1902. The 8mm Lebel cartridge was standard issue to the French army throughout WW1 and was used in the Lebel Model M18886 and M1893 Rifles as well as in French Hoskiss machine guns. Hope this helps Ray <

Re Somme Relic. This looks like a 8mm Lebel Rifle round. The case dimensions would be defined as 8x50R. The 02or 92 would be the manufacture date, ie: 1902. The 8mm Lebel cartridge was standard issue to the French army throughout WW1 and was used in the Lebel Model M18886 and M1893 Rifles as well as in French Hoskiss machine guns. Hope this helps Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delilah" <diamond6468@mindspring.com> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Somme bullet > Is there a way you can send to my e-mail a photo of this - the initials may > stand for the manufacturer, the numbers may be the size of the ammo - thats > why I would like to look at it, if possible - can you tell me in inches what > your mm might be - is there anything stamped on the bottom of the casing - > that may tell the size > delilah > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony Holkham" <Holkham@compuserve.com> > To: "GreatWarList" <GREATWAR@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:45 AM > Subject: [GREATWAR] Somme bullet > > > | To: Great War List > | Re: Somme bullet id > | > | Can someone help with this please? I have been given a bullet casing found > | on the Somme (where my grandfather fought with the 19th Manchesters). > | > | On the base are several numbers and letters. Looking at it as a circle, in > | an arc at the top are the letters I A R T D I, and in an arc at the bottom > | the letters E B S I. Separating these two arcs on the right are the > numbers > | 02 or 92 horizontally together, and on the left what look like the numbers > | 1 (with a tail as in continental writing style) and possibly 2 (or it may > | be a Z). > | > | The casing looks to be about 12mm across at the base, narrowing gradually > | at first then more so in the top 10mm, and about 50mm total length, with > | the opening at the top about 8mm in diameter. > | > | I'm guessing it's French or German but have no experience of these things. > | > | Also found in the same area were several small, heavy ballsabout 12mm in > | diameter which look like grape shot. Would this be the case, or could they > | be musket balls perhaps from an earlier conflict? > | > | Thanks and best wishes, > | > | Tony Holkham > | Researching 19th Manchesters PALS (Cpl Ernest Briggs) > | > | > | ------------------------------- > | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > | > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Is there a way you can send to my e-mail a photo of this - the initials may stand for the manufacturer, the numbers may be the size of the ammo - thats why I would like to look at it, if possible - can you tell me in inches what your mm might be - is there anything stamped on the bottom of the casing - that may tell the size delilah ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Holkham" <Holkham@compuserve.com> To: "GreatWarList" <GREATWAR@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:45 AM Subject: [GREATWAR] Somme bullet | To: Great War List | Re: Somme bullet id | | Can someone help with this please? I have been given a bullet casing found | on the Somme (where my grandfather fought with the 19th Manchesters). | | On the base are several numbers and letters. Looking at it as a circle, in | an arc at the top are the letters I A R T D I, and in an arc at the bottom | the letters E B S I. Separating these two arcs on the right are the numbers | 02 or 92 horizontally together, and on the left what look like the numbers | 1 (with a tail as in continental writing style) and possibly 2 (or it may | be a Z). | | The casing looks to be about 12mm across at the base, narrowing gradually | at first then more so in the top 10mm, and about 50mm total length, with | the opening at the top about 8mm in diameter. | | I'm guessing it's French or German but have no experience of these things. | | Also found in the same area were several small, heavy ballsabout 12mm in | diameter which look like grape shot. Would this be the case, or could they | be musket balls perhaps from an earlier conflict? | | Thanks and best wishes, | | Tony Holkham | Researching 19th Manchesters PALS (Cpl Ernest Briggs) | | | ------------------------------- | To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message |

To: Great War List Re: Somme bullet id Can someone help with this please? I have been given a bullet casing found on the Somme (where my grandfather fought with the 19th Manchesters). On the base are several numbers and letters. Looking at it as a circle, in an arc at the top are the letters I A R T D I, and in an arc at the bottom the letters E B S I. Separating these two arcs on the right are the numbers 02 or 92 horizontally together, and on the left what look like the numbers 1 (with a tail as in continental writing style) and possibly 2 (or it may be a Z). The casing looks to be about 12mm across at the base, narrowing gradually at first then more so in the top 10mm, and about 50mm total length, with the opening at the top about 8mm in diameter. I'm guessing it's French or German but have no experience of these things. Also found in the same area were several small, heavy ballsabout 12mm in diameter which look like grape shot. Would this be the case, or could they be musket balls perhaps from an earlier conflict? Thanks and best wishes, Tony Holkham Researching 19th Manchesters PALS (Cpl Ernest Briggs)

Hello Cathie I presume you mean The Labour Corps, which was a unit within the BEF. There is not a lot of information regarding the Labour Corps, but if you post all the information you have about your individual I am sure you will get something useful to go on. Regards John Milner ----- Original Message ----- From: "cathie" <cathie@xplornet.com> To: <GREATWAR@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 4:47 PM Subject: [GREATWAR] B.E.F. Labor Force > Hello: > > > > I am new to this list and want to get information about the British Labor > Force in 1919 in France. > > Can anyone tell me where I can get information about an individual that > served in it? > > I would appreciate any help anyone can give me. > > > > Cathie in Ontario, Canada > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello: I am new to this list and want to get information about the British Labor Force in 1919 in France. Can anyone tell me where I can get information about an individual that served in it? I would appreciate any help anyone can give me. Cathie in Ontario, Canada

Does anyone know anything about this cemetery, is there a list of burials? deilah evans USA -------------------------- Saturday » April 28 » 2007 Military cemetery has fascinating history Times Colonist Thursday, April 26, 2007 Re: "Celebrating our own remarkable people," April 22. You missed our most interesting cemetery, specifically reserved for those who contributed so enormously to our beginnings -- our veterans. The graveyard in the middle of the Gorge Vale Golf Course holds a plethora of mysteries and suggestions of great deeds possibly far more bemusing than the lives of many albeit worthy politicians and civic dignitaries. The include a boy seaman who "fell from the yards" of a British warship, a lieutenant-governor involved in a notorious scandal, pilots, nurses, a divinity student who rose to the rank of lieutenant colonel and earned the Distinguished Service Order and the Military Cross twice. In that quiet place, surrounded by pleasant sunlit fairways and the click of well-hit golf balls, lie the remains of stokers scalded to death in a cruiser's boiler room explosion, those who endured four years of shelling in the trenches or bombing raids over Germany, corporals, captains and a man slain here in his homeland -- as well as his murderer, who lies beneath an unmarked slab. These were those who had voluntarily risked their very lives for us. I am inclined to agree: "That's much more important." Tony Hawkins, Victoria. © Times Colonist (Victoria) 2007

pleased to have helped , only wish my granndfather was listed. regards Carolynn -----Original Message----- From: judith.kettlewell@btinternet.com To: greatwar@rootsweb.com; norfolk12@aol.com Sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 8.57PM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Soldiers died, help please Hello Carolynn Wow, what can I say!! Thank you so very much for this information. It is much more than I ever dreamt of having. I must show my ignorance here and say that I hadn't heard of the de Ruvigny's RofH. I do now though, just had to find out about it. Your help is much appreciated. Kind regards Judith ----- Original Message ----- From: norfolk12@aol.com To: greatwar@rootsweb.com Cc: judith.kettlewell@btinternet.com Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Soldiers died, help please from de Ruvigny's roll of honour 1914 - 1918 Part Three page 1 ACKROYD Willie signaller No 683 16th[srvice] battn.[Bradford] The P rince of Wales Own[West Yorkshire Regiment]yst. a. son of Frank ACKROYD. of 13 Prospect Place,Duckworth Lane ,Bradford. by his wife Clara daughter of Walter Hardaker b Bradford, 1 Sept1893 ;educated Council School,Whetley Lane, was employed by Sir W.E.Priestley MP for East Bradford. at his warehouse in Bradford. voluntarily enlisted 23rd September 1914;left England for Egypt dec 1915. and afterwards went to France March 1916 and was killed in action at Neuve Chappelle 27th July following. buried in St Vaast Post Military Cemetery, Laventie [Grave no E15 plot 3] . the Chaplain,16th West Yorkshire Regt. wrote; "the germans made a raid into our trenches, and though we beat them off with heavey losses, yet unfortunatly your son was killed. I Buried him on Saturday Morning in one of the milirety cemeteries here.... He died a Hero and given his life unselfishly " Unm. alas no photo shown. regards carolynn -----Original Message----- From: judith.kettlewell@btinternet.com To: GREATWAR-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12.44PM Subject: [GREATWAR] Soldiers died, help please Hello Could someone, if possible, look on the Soldiers died in the War please, and see if they can find anything for :- Willie ACKROYD Private 16/682 'C' Company, 16th Batt, West Yorkshire Regiment died 27 July 1916. Buried St Vaas Post Military Cemetery, Richebourg-L'Avoue. Will be most grateful for any help. Thank you. Judith Kettlewell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I am trying to help a friend of mine find more information about her grandfather, Samuel Alexander Bacon, and his military service. I have found the medal card, which indicates he was part of the RAMC, which we had assumed from speaking with his daughter. However, we would like to try and figure out in what capacity he served. His daughter only knows "he was a nurse". But according to this site (http://www.1914-1918.net/ramc.htm) he could have served on a Field Ambulance, a Casualty Clearing Station, or a hospital on the western front. Having obtained the medal card, what is the next step to learning more about his service? His rank is listed as PTE, Regt No 58399. Thanks for any and all suggestions! Jen Jennifer McKemie jmckemie@bellsouth.net McKemie One Name Study (#4203) www.mckemie.org http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mckemie/onenamestudy/ And my mastiffs... http://osandchoc.blogspot.com/ Mor-Spirit Mastiffs.....http://mor-spirit.blogspot.com/ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/777 - Release Date: 4/26/2007 3:23 PM

Hello Carolynn Wow, what can I say!! Thank you so very much for this information. It is much more than I ever dreamt of having. I must show my ignorance here and say that I hadn't heard of the de Ruvigny's RofH. I do now though, just had to find out about it. Your help is much appreciated. Kind regards Judith ----- Original Message ----- From: norfolk12@aol.com To: greatwar@rootsweb.com Cc: judith.kettlewell@btinternet.com Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Soldiers died, help please from de Ruvigny's roll of honour 1914 - 1918 Part Three page 1 ACKROYD Willie signaller No 683 16th[srvice] battn.[Bradford] The P rince of Wales Own[West Yorkshire Regiment]yst. a. son of Frank ACKROYD. of 13 Prospect Place,Duckworth Lane ,Bradford. by his wife Clara daughter of Walter Hardaker b Bradford, 1 Sept1893 ;educated Council School,Whetley Lane, was employed by Sir W.E.Priestley MP for East Bradford. at his warehouse in Bradford. voluntarily enlisted 23rd September 1914;left England for Egypt dec 1915. and afterwards went to France March 1916 and was killed in action at Neuve Chappelle 27th July following. buried in St Vaast Post Military Cemetery, Laventie [Grave no E15 plot 3] . the Chaplain,16th West Yorkshire Regt. wrote; "the germans made a raid into our trenches, and though we beat them off with heavey losses, yet unfortunatly your son was killed. I Buried him on Saturday Morning in one of the milirety cemeteries here.... He died a Hero and given his life unselfishly " Unm. alas no photo shown. regards carolynn -----Original Message----- From: judith.kettlewell@btinternet.com To: GREATWAR-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12.44PM Subject: [GREATWAR] Soldiers died, help please Hello Could someone, if possible, look on the Soldiers died in the War please, and see if they can find anything for :- Willie ACKROYD Private 16/682 'C' Company, 16th Batt, West Yorkshire Regiment died 27 July 1916. Buried St Vaas Post Military Cemetery, Richebourg-L'Avoue. Will be most grateful for any help. Thank you. Judith Kettlewell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks Tom. Your help is much appreciated. Judith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Tulloch-Marshall" <prosearch@btinternet.com> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Soldiers died, help please > Judith - only additional information in SDITGW is that he was killed in > action and was born + enlisted in Bradford. > regards > - > Tom Tulloch-Marshall > WW1 Military Research > website > http://www.btinternet.com/~prosearch/index.html > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judith kettlewell" <judith.kettlewell@btinternet.com> > To: <GREATWAR-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 12:44 PM > Subject: [GREATWAR] Soldiers died, help please > > >> Hello >> >> Could someone, if possible, look on the Soldiers died in the War please, >> and see if they can find anything for :- >> >> Willie ACKROYD Private 16/682 >> >> 'C' Company, 16th Batt, West Yorkshire Regiment >> >> died 27 July 1916. >> >> Buried St Vaas Post Military Cemetery, Richebourg-L'Avoue. >> >> Will be most grateful for any help. >> >> Thank you. >> >> Judith Kettlewell >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Judith - only additional information in SDITGW is that he was killed in action and was born + enlisted in Bradford. regards - Tom Tulloch-Marshall WW1 Military Research website > http://www.btinternet.com/~prosearch/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith kettlewell" <judith.kettlewell@btinternet.com> To: <GREATWAR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 12:44 PM Subject: [GREATWAR] Soldiers died, help please > Hello > > Could someone, if possible, look on the Soldiers died in the War please, > and see if they can find anything for :- > > Willie ACKROYD Private 16/682 > > 'C' Company, 16th Batt, West Yorkshire Regiment > > died 27 July 1916. > > Buried St Vaas Post Military Cemetery, Richebourg-L'Avoue. > > Will be most grateful for any help. > > Thank you. > > Judith Kettlewell > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Could someone, if possible, look on the Soldiers died in the War please, and see if they can find anything for :- Willie ACKROYD Private 16/682 'C' Company, 16th Batt, West Yorkshire Regiment died 27 July 1916. Buried St Vaas Post Military Cemetery, Richebourg-L'Avoue. Will be most grateful for any help. Thank you. Judith Kettlewell

from de Ruvigny's roll of honour 1914 - 1918 Part Three page 1 ACKROYD Willie signaller No 683 16th[srvice] battn.[Bradford] The P rince of Wales Own[West Yorkshire Regiment]yst. a. son of Frank ACKROYD. of 13 Prospect Place,Duckworth Lane ,Bradford. by his wife Clara daughter of Walter Hardaker b Bradford, 1 Sept1893 ;educated Council School,Whetley Lane, was employed by Sir W.E.Priestley MP for East Bradford. at his warehouse in Bradford. voluntarily enlisted 23rd September 1914;left England for Egypt dec 1915. and afterwards went to France March 1916 and was killed in action at Neuve Chappelle 27th July following. buried in St Vaast Post Military Cemetery, Laventie [Grave no E15 plot 3] . the Chaplain,16th West Yorkshire Regt. wrote; "the germans made a raid into our trenches, and though we beat them off with heavey losses, yet unfortunatly your son was killed. I Buried him on Saturday Morning in one of the milirety cemeteries here.... He died a Hero and given his life unselfishly " Unm. alas no photo shown. regards carolynn -----Original Message----- From: judith.kettlewell@btinternet.com To: GREATWAR-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12.44PM Subject: [GREATWAR] Soldiers died, help please Hello Could someone, if possible, look on the Soldiers died in the War please, and see if they can find anything for :- Willie ACKROYD Private 16/682 'C' Company, 16th Batt, West Yorkshire Regiment died 27 July 1916. Buried St Vaas Post Military Cemetery, Richebourg-L'Avoue. Will be most grateful for any help. Thank you. Judith Kettlewell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I have spent a great deal of time over the years trying to find which Regiment my father served with during WW1 but unfortunately his records did not survive. Examination of the Medal Index would suggest that he was with either the RFA or the RAMC. Recently I came across a snippet of information about Earl Lascelles being rescued from the battlefield at Ypres and it triggered a memory of my mother telling me that my father had been somehow involved in a similar situation and I can see that if my father had been in the RAMC it is quite possible that this would be why he was involved Can any historians within the List tell me when and where Earl Lascelles was wounded. This information would perhaps give me a lead into the War Diaries of the time. Regards, Ray, Wirral

Joyce. The local papers would have published Brigade orders for the Cheltenham Engineers Volunteers, they would be available at the local records office or Gloucestershire Reference library on microfiche see my website below as to what type of info would have been published at that time in the papers. I know that there was a Engineer Volunteer H.Q. in Bristol in Park Row off Park Street, much the same as with my unit [gunners]which had units/detachments in other towns around the area, but the H.Q's of these units were placed in the large towns. As to trades they would be responsible for military engineering, building defences, barracks etc, so a mason/labourer would be a perfect job in civilian life, all the unit had to do was teach him to march and fire a rifle. Rifle shooting played a big part in the life of the volunteer also dances and Regt dinners were a source of much entertainment. I have looked for information on the web but no luck, the info is out there some where. I shall contact a friend of mine who is very knowledgeable tomorrow and see what info he has and will contact you later. Regards Derek Derek J. Driscoll Researching 1st South Midland Bde/240 Bde RFA [TF] 1908-1919 A website for the Gloucestershire Volunteer Artillery is at http://www.bristolgunners.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/index.htm If you want to stop receiving unwanted direct mail from companies http://www.planetark.com/mailing_preference_sign_up_uk.cfm

Hello Peter, Thank you for that information. I did think that he may have been involved in the India-China Civil War in 1911 that you mentioned, however then reading the information from David listing the movements of his likely battalion being in Lichfield in 1911, this seems to be his, as he was stationed in Lichfield in late 1912 when he married. It looks therefore that he served in the North West Frontier, as the web site that David gave confirms the West Yorkshire Regiment being in that area in the relevant years. Thanks again, Cathy in South Australia From: Peter Monks <arethusa@shaw.ca> Greetings, The Timechart of Military History, shows a blank for India. However, there was China Civil War in 1911 and again in 1921 with the earlier Boxer Rebellion of 1900. There was the Russo-Japanese war 1904-05. No doubt various scurmishes in India to keep the troops occupied. Peter