Very helpful response, Mike. Many thanks. Looks like I have to invest 3 poonds fifty to see the card. Or do I need to see both cards? (sounds like poker) Now, Mike and Listers, some more queries if I can bother you further please: Could it be that my information (from Port of London records) that AEH was immediately made a serjeant was an error? That he was in fact made a corporal on the strength of his TA time, and promoted to serjeant later? I could throw in that there is a third entry in the medals index: Another Albert E Hoskins, Private Royal (note) ASC, SS/16140. Is this someone else altogether or is there some other explanation? There couldn't have been so many by this name in the ASC, surely! I'm encouraged by the likely connection with horses. Would that mean his unit rode horses or simply supplied and maintained them? And was the latter done from England or more likely over the Channel? Cheers Ray -----Original Message----- From: Mike Shingleton [mailto:shinglma_64@btopenworld.com] Sent: Friday, 25 May 2007 6:38 PM To: Ray Brindle Cc: Great War list Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Albert E Hoskins ASC Ray They are the same man. The numbers T/231 and T4/211746 are his regimental numbers. He has started out with the former and at some point has been renumbered to the latter. The T and T4 prefixes denote a Horse Transport man. Army Service Corps units can be difficult to research unless the sub-unit appears on the medal card/medal rolls or the soldiers service record has survived. Click this link to bring up the two entries: <http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/search-results.asp?searc htype=browserefine&query=last_name%3dhoskins%7cscope%3d231&catid=10&pagenumb er=1&querytype=1&mediaarray=*> The reason for there being two cards is that catalogue ref WO 372/10 is for campaign medals whilst catalogue ref WO 372/24 covers Mentions in Despatches, Meritorious Service Medals and Territorial Force Efficiency Medals. If he received the TFEM in 1912 we might discount the latter. The card will tell all and may give the sub-unit. The campaign medal card should at least suggest whether he went overseas before or after 01/01/1916, and if the former give a disembarkation date. Regards Mike Shingleton -----Original Message----- From: Ray Brindle <ray@brindle.name> Sent Subject: [GREATWAR] Albert E Hoskins ASC > Hello all. I am new among you, chasing a slippery grandfather and only > recently discovered that he had a WW1 connection. > Albert Edward Hoskins signed up with the Army Service Corps the day after > war was declared in 1914 and was immediately made a serjeant, a rank he held > to the end of the war. We presume that means he had some sort of previous > service, and I have been told that an AE Hoskins was awarded the Territorial > Force Efficiency Medal in 1912, which apparently means that man had served > in the TF for 12 years. My Albert was 34 in 1914 and had worked in some > sort of admin capacity on the London Docks, both of which facts may have > contributed to his rank. > The National Archives medals index shows two different AE Hoskins, although > I suspect they are the same man. One is listed as a serjeant, the other as > a corporal. Both have "231" (or T/231) listed as their regiment. Serjeant > Hoskins (my man?) has a second line that has "T4/211746". > My mother recalled being taken by her father to some sort of military > stables in the Greenwich-Plumstead area where he seemed to know the men and > the horses. My main interest is in knowing where he was in mid-1916 > (questions of paternity!) > I need advice on two matters for starters, please: > 1. I know I'll eventually need to see if his war records have survived, but > is there any way of telling from the readily-available information if these > two Hoskins men are one and the same? > 2. Can anyone tell me more about what T/231 and T4/211746 were, and point me > in the right direction to find out the movements of these units (if that is > indeed what they were). > Many thanks > Ray > in Victoria, Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello all. I am new among you, chasing a slippery grandfather and only recently discovered that he had a WW1 connection. Albert Edward Hoskins signed up with the Army Service Corps the day after war was declared in 1914 and was immediately made a serjeant, a rank he held to the end of the war. We presume that means he had some sort of previous service, and I have been told that an AE Hoskins was awarded the Territorial Force Efficiency Medal in 1912, which apparently means that man had served in the TF for 12 years. My Albert was 34 in 1914 and had worked in some sort of admin capacity on the London Docks, both of which facts may have contributed to his rank. The National Archives medals index shows two different AE Hoskins, although I suspect they are the same man. One is listed as a serjeant, the other as a corporal. Both have “231” (or T/231) listed as their regiment. Serjeant Hoskins (my man?) has a second line that has “T4/211746”. My mother recalled being taken by her father to some sort of military stables in the Greenwich-Plumstead area where he seemed to know the men and the horses. My main interest is in knowing where he was in mid-1916 (questions of paternity!) I need advice on two matters for starters, please: 1. I know I’ll eventually need to see if his war records have survived, but is there any way of telling from the readily-available information if these two Hoskins men are one and the same? 2. Can anyone tell me more about what T/231 and T4/211746 were, and point me in the right direction to find out the movements of these units (if that is indeed what they were). Many thanks Ray in Victoria, Australia

Hello Ray, The rank of Corporal is on the medal card from WO 374/24 covering mentions in despatches, territorial force efficiency medals and meritorious service medals. These cards show the rank at the time of the award and as Forrest has pointed out a gazette date. You should therefore be able to pinpoint a date of when he held that rank. I reckon Albert E Hoskins SS/16140 (the SS stands for Supply Special) is a different man entirely. Given the size of the ASC (over 330,000 officers and men at its peak) I would think it entirely possible that there was more than one Albert E Hoskins. Usually each soldier has just one card for his campaign medals in WO 374/10 but occasionally it is split over two; presumably the result of the medal office not being able to locate the original and starting another card. As this card is in WO 374/10 they could be on the same page as the other (your) Albert E Hoskins. If the both have entries against the same medals they are different men; if the medal entries are mutually exclusive its a split Medal Index Card. However the different regimental numbers do suggest they are different men. Hope this makes sense Regards Mike S Friday, May 25, 2007, 10:09:38 AM, you wrote: > Very helpful response, Mike. Many thanks. Looks like I have to invest 3 > poonds fifty to see the card. Or do I need to see both cards? (sounds like > poker) > Now, Mike and Listers, some more queries if I can bother you further please: > Could it be that my information (from Port of London records) that AEH was > immediately made a serjeant was an error? That he was in fact made a > corporal on the strength of his TA time, and promoted to serjeant later? I > could throw in that there is a third entry in the medals index: Another > Albert E Hoskins, Private Royal (note) ASC, SS/16140. Is this someone else > altogether or is there some other explanation? There couldn't have been so > many by this name in the ASC, surely! > I'm encouraged by the likely connection with horses. Would that mean his > unit rode horses or simply supplied and maintained them? And was the latter > done from England or more likely over the Channel? > Cheers > Ray > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Shingleton [mailto:shinglma_64@btopenworld.com] > Sent: Friday, 25 May 2007 6:38 PM > To: Ray Brindle > Cc: Great War list > Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] Albert E Hoskins ASC > Ray > They are the same man. The numbers T/231 and T4/211746 are his > regimental numbers. He has started out with the former and at some > point has been renumbered to the latter. The T and T4 prefixes denote > a Horse Transport man. > Army Service Corps units can be difficult to research unless the > sub-unit appears on the medal card/medal rolls or the soldiers service > record has survived. > Click this link to bring up the two entries: > <http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/search-results.asp?searc > htype=browserefine&query=last_name%3dhoskins%7cscope%3d231&catid=10&pagenumb > er=1&querytype=1&mediaarray=*> > The reason for there being two cards is that catalogue ref WO 372/10 > is for campaign medals whilst catalogue ref WO 372/24 covers Mentions > in Despatches, Meritorious Service Medals and Territorial Force > Efficiency Medals. If he received the TFEM in 1912 we might discount > the latter. The card will tell all and may give the sub-unit. > The campaign medal card should at least suggest whether he went > overseas before or after 01/01/1916, and if the former give a > disembarkation date. > Regards > Mike Shingleton > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Brindle <ray@brindle.name> > Sent > Subject: [GREATWAR] Albert E Hoskins ASC >> Hello all. I am new among you, chasing a slippery grandfather and only >> recently discovered that he had a WW1 connection. >> Albert Edward Hoskins signed up with the Army Service Corps the day after >> war was declared in 1914 and was immediately made a serjeant, a rank he > held >> to the end of the war. We presume that means he had some sort of > previous >> service, and I have been told that an AE Hoskins was awarded the > Territorial >> Force Efficiency Medal in 1912, which apparently means that man had served >> in the TF for 12 years. My Albert was 34 in 1914 and had worked in some >> sort of admin capacity on the London Docks, both of which facts may have >> contributed to his rank. >> The National Archives medals index shows two different AE Hoskins, > although >> I suspect they are the same man. One is listed as a serjeant, the other > as >> a corporal. Both have "231" (or T/231) listed as their regiment. > Serjeant >> Hoskins (my man?) has a second line that has "T4/211746". >> My mother recalled being taken by her father to some sort of military >> stables in the Greenwich-Plumstead area where he seemed to know the men > and >> the horses. My main interest is in knowing where he was in mid-1916 >> (questions of paternity!) >> I need advice on two matters for starters, please: >> 1. I know I'll eventually need to see if his war records have > survived, but >> is there any way of telling from the readily-available information if > these >> two Hoskins men are one and the same? >> 2. Can anyone tell me more about what T/231 and T4/211746 were, and > point me >> in the right direction to find out the movements of these units (if that > is >> indeed what they were). >> Many thanks >> Ray >> in Victoria, Australia >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message -- Best regards, Mike mailto:shinglma_64@btopenworld.com

Hello Alan, Sadly I don't think that will work on this occasion as the catalogue ref WO 374/24 is a separate series and will contain only MID, TFEM and MSM cards. I would suggest Ray download one and see if the page contains both cards. I don't think it will but I'm happy to be proved wrong. Kind regards Mike S Friday, May 25, 2007, 10:53:46 AM, you wrote: > Ray, > Unless the system as changed, the £3:50 download will contain at least the ones > at either side so you could be lucky and get both for the one charge. > Alan ... > Alan T... {East Midlands UK} > Please visit our family genealogy site:- > http://www.forefathers.homestead.com/ > Looks like I have to invest 3 > poonds fifty to see the card. Or do I need to see both cards? (sounds like > poker) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Best regards, Mike mailto:shinglma_64@btopenworld.com

Ray, Unless the system as changed, the £3:50 download will contain at least the ones at either side so you could be lucky and get both for the one charge. Alan ... Alan T... {East Midlands UK} Please visit our family genealogy site:- http://www.forefathers.homestead.com/ Looks like I have to invest 3 poonds fifty to see the card. Or do I need to see both cards? (sounds like poker)

Ray They are the same man. The numbers T/231 and T4/211746 are his regimental numbers. He has started out with the former and at some point has been renumbered to the latter. The T and T4 prefixes denote a Horse Transport man. Army Service Corps units can be difficult to research unless the sub-unit appears on the medal card/medal rolls or the soldiers service record has survived. Click this link to bring up the two entries: <http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/search-results.asp?searchtype=browserefine&query=last_name%3dhoskins%7cscope%3d231&catid=10&pagenumber=1&querytype=1&mediaarray=*> The reason for there being two cards is that catalogue ref WO 372/10 is for campaign medals whilst catalogue ref WO 372/24 covers Mentions in Despatches, Meritorious Service Medals and Territorial Force Efficiency Medals. If he received the TFEM in 1912 we might discount the latter. The card will tell all and may give the sub-unit. The campaign medal card should at least suggest whether he went overseas before or after 01/01/1916, and if the former give a disembarkation date. Regards Mike Shingleton -----Original Message----- From: Ray Brindle <ray@brindle.name> Sent Subject: [GREATWAR] Albert E Hoskins ASC > Hello all. I am new among you, chasing a slippery grandfather and only > recently discovered that he had a WW1 connection. > Albert Edward Hoskins signed up with the Army Service Corps the day after > war was declared in 1914 and was immediately made a serjeant, a rank he held > to the end of the war. We presume that means he had some sort of previous > service, and I have been told that an AE Hoskins was awarded the Territorial > Force Efficiency Medal in 1912, which apparently means that man had served > in the TF for 12 years. My Albert was 34 in 1914 and had worked in some > sort of admin capacity on the London Docks, both of which facts may have > contributed to his rank. > The National Archives medals index shows two different AE Hoskins, although > I suspect they are the same man. One is listed as a serjeant, the other as > a corporal. Both have “231” (or T/231) listed as their regiment. Serjeant > Hoskins (my man?) has a second line that has “T4/211746”. > My mother recalled being taken by her father to some sort of military > stables in the Greenwich-Plumstead area where he seemed to know the men and > the horses. My main interest is in knowing where he was in mid-1916 > (questions of paternity!) > I need advice on two matters for starters, please: > 1. I know I’ll eventually need to see if his war records have survived, but > is there any way of telling from the readily-available information if these > two Hoskins men are one and the same? > 2. Can anyone tell me more about what T/231 and T4/211746 were, and point me > in the right direction to find out the movements of these units (if that is > indeed what they were). > Many thanks > Ray > in Victoria, Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Fri, 25 May 2007 17:32:09 +1000, "Ray Brindle" <ray@brindle.name> wrote: >Albert Edward Hoskins signed up with the Army Service Corps the day after >war was declared in 1914 and was immediately made a serjeant, a rank he held >to the end of the war. We presume that means he had some sort of previous >service, and I have been told that an AE Hoskins was awarded the Territorial >Force Efficiency Medal in 1912... >The National Archives medals index shows two different AE Hoskins, although >I suspect they are the same man. One is listed as a serjeant, the other as >a corporal. Both have “231” (or T/231) listed as their regiment. Serjeant >Hoskins (my man?) has a second line that has “T4/211746”... I believe the two MIC index entries you are talking about are: ----------------- Description: Medal card of Hoskins, Albert E Corps Regiment No Rank Army Service Corps T/231 Serjeant Army Service Corps T4/211746 Serjeant Date: 1914-1920 Catalogue reference: WO 372/10 Dept: Records created or inherited by the War Office, Armed Forces, Judge Advocate General, and related bodies Series: War Office: Service Medal and Award Rolls Index, First World War ----------------- and ----------------- Description Medal card of Hoskins, A E Corps Regiment No Rank Royal Army Service Corps 231 Corporal Date: 1914-1920 Catalogue reference: WO 372/24 Dept: Records created or inherited by the War Office, Armed Forces, Judge Advocate General, and related bodies Series War Office: Service Medal and Award Rolls Index, First World War Piece: Mentions in Despatches, Meritorious Service Medals and Territorial Force Efficiency Medals ----------------- >1. ...is there any way of telling from the readily-available information if these >two Hoskins men are one and the same? >2. Can anyone tell me more about what T/231 and T4/211746 were, and point me >in the right direction to find out the movements of these units (if that is >indeed what they were). Yes, they appear to be for the same man - the second one has missed off the prefix "T" from his Regimental Number, which is what "Regiment No" stands for. It was a type of employee identification number, and the "T/" prefix indicated he was in the Transport Branch of the ASC, ie horse transport. The first card (which has reference WO 372/10) will give details of his campaign medals, whilst the second card (WO 372/24) belongs to a series devoted to "Mentions in Despatches, Meritorious Service Medals and Territorial Force Efficiency Medals". Cards with this reference normally relate to Mentions in Despatches, and give details of the issue of the London Gazette where the MID was announced, but your mention of the Territorial Force Medal may well mean that it contains details of that medal instead. You should really download images of both cards to see what they say. They cost £3.50 each. One of them may give details of his unit in the Army Service Corps, and then you can try to find details about the movements of that unit. If not, then you could check the campaign Medal Roll(s) - the reference numbers of which are written on the MIC - to see if it is given there. >My mother recalled being taken by her father to some sort of military >stables in the Greenwich-Plumstead area where he seemed to know the men and >the horses. The 1st London Divisional Transport and Supply Column, Army Service Corps (TF) was based at Charles Street in Plumstead. This is probably his most likely unit, given his apparent pre-war Territorial service in the ASC, and the connection to Greenwich or Plumstead. Forrest. -- Forrest Anderson, Edinburgh, Scotland. E-mail: forrest@military-researcher.com Website: www.military-researcher.com Forrestdale Research - Military Genealogical Researcher

Hi again - Thank you so much for your email. I realy appreciate it. I have very blurred copy of the 1911cenus which really is impossible to read I have contacted someone regarding this and there is nowhere where I could get a better copy to read, which is most unfortunate, as I am desperate to read it all. We are still awaiting our 1911 Census here in England, we still have the 100 year rule, which is annoying. It's interesting reading abut other peoples lives, I am fascinated by it all. My husband has a sister and brother in BC, and another sister in Burlington. They emigrated about 30 years ago. I have been to Burlington and BC for a holiday. Wonderful country. Well thanks for getting back to me. I really appreciate it. best Wishes - Faith Yes, maybe he did come to Canada before and returned back again. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ecrrwd" <e1crowe@telus.net> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 12:57 AM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] James Maclean > Hi Faith, > > I'm glad if any of what I sent is helpful! I think you're right that it's > easier to find information about those who died than those who lived. If > he joined up in Canada I'm certain you'll find information on the > collections canada site. > > I'm wondering, since you found someone who would appear to be him on the > 1911 census and also on the SS Cassandra in 1912 if he perhaps had come > here a little earlier, got himself a job and then went back for a visit > or??? > > I congratulate you on finding anything in our 1911 census. What a > nightmare to try to read most of that thing. Don't get me wrong I'm very > grateful that it's there. > > Districts in Canada - well we have them but I'm not sure of any of them > outside of B. C. where I live. But as for taking a train to Montreal, the > ship, if it was docking in Quebec probably also docked in Montreal. > Quebec and Montreal are the two main cities in the province of Quebec. If > he had landed somewhere else, on the eastern coast for example, then he > probably would have taken a train to Montreal. My Dad's mother > disembarked at Montreal. I actually have a photo taken of my grandfather, > youthful and slim, in Montreal waiting for her. > > As far as people having jobs before arriving, I think many didn't and came > because our government in the late 19th and early 20th century advertised > for British citizens to come extolling the wonders of Canada, promising > "free" land parcels, lots of work in mines, on the railway etc. "Pot > luck" as you said. These were the labourers jobs that some came to. My > mother's side of the family were among those and her father, my > grandfather, came ahead the same year Mom was born in Wales and in 1912 > (also!!) sent for his wife and two young children to come. He had worked > in the coal mines in Wales and that's how he started here too. He's the > one who returned to England to resign with the Irish Guards. Then there > were people who had experience in other lower middle income jobs - clerks, > teachers. And of course Canada wanted professionals too - needed them so > your Grandfather would have been amongst that group I'd expect. > > My father's father was the one waiting in Montreal for his about to be > bride and he had been a grocer's clerk in London and came to B. C. and got > work with the first telegraph company as a delivery boy (at 33 years old) > and gradually worked his way up to being a clerk. > > Hope this gives you some idea but collections canada also has some > interesting pages about the history here. > > Keep well, > > Eleanor > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Faith Batson" <Faith45@batsonc.freeserve.co.uk> > To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 2:37 PM > Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] James Maclean > > > Hi Eleanor - Thanks very much for your kind email. > > I will try www.collectionscanada to see what I may be able to find. It > seems > easier if a relative died in the war, than if they lived, as there seems > to > be more information. > > Unfortunately the only copy of a very faded newspaper cutting I have does > not show him in any uniform only a very faded suit. > > I did manage to find he travelled on the SS Cassandra from Glasgow in > September 1912 to Montreal. > > I do not know where he went from there, and wonderd if he already had > another family member there, and when war started maybe came home to > England. > > I have also found last night the 1911 Census and found a James Maclean > aged > 35, Solicitor - Montreal - St Louis Ward. I am unsure of the disrtricts > in > Canada. > > Someone told me that he may have had to take a train to Quebec. > > Would he have had to arrange a job before entering Canada , - or did he > take > "pot luck" as we say here in England. > > Thanks for taking the time to read this email - Faith > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ecrrwd" <e1crowe@telus.net> > To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 12:29 AM > Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] James Maclean > > >> Hi Faith, >> >> Ordinarily I would suggest that you try the site that gives the Canadian >> Expeditionary Forces attestation papers. It seems to be down at the >> moment as I just tried it but you might give it a try yourself >> www.collectionscanada.ca plus there is always the Commonwealth Graves >> site at www.cwgc.org >> >> Of course your grandfather may have returned to the UK to join up. My >> grandfather who had emigrated from Wales in 1910 had earlier in his life >> served with the Irish Guards. In 1914 he returned and served with the >> Irish Guards until he was discharged in 1915 on medical grounds. Do you >> have any photos of your grandfather in uniform that might help you >> identify his battalion or unit or?? I'm not an expert at military >> matters. >> >> Also available on www.collectionscanada.ca when the site is working >> properly are some passenger lists free to view and print out. It's a job >> finding a person though if you don't have any idea of what ship they >> might >> have arrived on but lucky you you have the name of the ship and the year >> which narrows it down immensley. >> >> Do you have any idea of which province in Canada he came to? Both B. C. >> and Manitoba have vital statistics on line so you'd have access to those >> also if he was in either of these provinces. >> >> I seem to be going on and on so will leave it at that. Please let me >> know >> if you think I might be able to help somehow. >> >> Eleanor B. C. CAnada >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Faith Batson" <Faith45@batsonc.freeserve.co.uk> >> To: <GREATWAR@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 3:06 PM >> Subject: [GREATWAR] James Maclean >> >> >> I am looking for information on my grandfather James Maclean who came to >> Montreal in September 1912. >> >> He was aged 35 and a Solicitor. >> >> The ship he came in on was called SS Cassandra. >> >> I was told he was in WW1, and possibly RAMC. >> >> I am not certain if he left Canada to return to England or what. >> >> I am certain also that he had family already there. >> >> Thanks - Faith >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.4/811 - Release Date: 5/18/2007 >> 3:50 PM >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 5/20/2007 > 7:54 AM > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Eleanor - Thanks very much for your kind email. I will try www.collectionscanada to see what I may be able to find. It seems easier if a relative died in the war, than if they lived, as there seems to be more information. Unfortunately the only copy of a very faded newspaper cutting I have does not show him in any uniform only a very faded suit. I did manage to find he travelled on the SS Cassandra from Glasgow in September 1912 to Montreal. I do not know where he went from there, and wonderd if he already had another family member there, and when war started maybe came home to England. I have also found last night the 1911 Census and found a James Maclean aged 35, Solicitor - Montreal - St Louis Ward. I am unsure of the disrtricts in Canada. Someone told me that he may have had to take a train to Quebec. Would he have had to arrange a job before entering Canada , - or did he take "pot luck" as we say here in England. Thanks for taking the time to read this email - Faith ----- Original Message ----- From: "ecrrwd" <e1crowe@telus.net> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] James Maclean > Hi Faith, > > Ordinarily I would suggest that you try the site that gives the Canadian > Expeditionary Forces attestation papers. It seems to be down at the > moment as I just tried it but you might give it a try yourself > www.collectionscanada.ca plus there is always the Commonwealth Graves > site at www.cwgc.org > > Of course your grandfather may have returned to the UK to join up. My > grandfather who had emigrated from Wales in 1910 had earlier in his life > served with the Irish Guards. In 1914 he returned and served with the > Irish Guards until he was discharged in 1915 on medical grounds. Do you > have any photos of your grandfather in uniform that might help you > identify his battalion or unit or?? I'm not an expert at military > matters. > > Also available on www.collectionscanada.ca when the site is working > properly are some passenger lists free to view and print out. It's a job > finding a person though if you don't have any idea of what ship they might > have arrived on but lucky you you have the name of the ship and the year > which narrows it down immensley. > > Do you have any idea of which province in Canada he came to? Both B. C. > and Manitoba have vital statistics on line so you'd have access to those > also if he was in either of these provinces. > > I seem to be going on and on so will leave it at that. Please let me know > if you think I might be able to help somehow. > > Eleanor B. C. CAnada > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Faith Batson" <Faith45@batsonc.freeserve.co.uk> > To: <GREATWAR@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 3:06 PM > Subject: [GREATWAR] James Maclean > > > I am looking for information on my grandfather James Maclean who came to > Montreal in September 1912. > > He was aged 35 and a Solicitor. > > The ship he came in on was called SS Cassandra. > > I was told he was in WW1, and possibly RAMC. > > I am not certain if he left Canada to return to England or what. > > I am certain also that he had family already there. > > Thanks - Faith > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.4/811 - Release Date: 5/18/2007 > 3:50 PM > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Faith, I'm glad if any of what I sent is helpful! I think you're right that it's easier to find information about those who died than those who lived. If he joined up in Canada I'm certain you'll find information on the collections canada site. I'm wondering, since you found someone who would appear to be him on the 1911 census and also on the SS Cassandra in 1912 if he perhaps had come here a little earlier, got himself a job and then went back for a visit or??? I congratulate you on finding anything in our 1911 census. What a nightmare to try to read most of that thing. Don't get me wrong I'm very grateful that it's there. Districts in Canada - well we have them but I'm not sure of any of them outside of B. C. where I live. But as for taking a train to Montreal, the ship, if it was docking in Quebec probably also docked in Montreal. Quebec and Montreal are the two main cities in the province of Quebec. If he had landed somewhere else, on the eastern coast for example, then he probably would have taken a train to Montreal. My Dad's mother disembarked at Montreal. I actually have a photo taken of my grandfather, youthful and slim, in Montreal waiting for her. As far as people having jobs before arriving, I think many didn't and came because our government in the late 19th and early 20th century advertised for British citizens to come extolling the wonders of Canada, promising "free" land parcels, lots of work in mines, on the railway etc. "Pot luck" as you said. These were the labourers jobs that some came to. My mother's side of the family were among those and her father, my grandfather, came ahead the same year Mom was born in Wales and in 1912 (also!!) sent for his wife and two young children to come. He had worked in the coal mines in Wales and that's how he started here too. He's the one who returned to England to resign with the Irish Guards. Then there were people who had experience in other lower middle income jobs - clerks, teachers. And of course Canada wanted professionals too - needed them so your Grandfather would have been amongst that group I'd expect. My father's father was the one waiting in Montreal for his about to be bride and he had been a grocer's clerk in London and came to B. C. and got work with the first telegraph company as a delivery boy (at 33 years old) and gradually worked his way up to being a clerk. Hope this gives you some idea but collections canada also has some interesting pages about the history here. Keep well, Eleanor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Faith Batson" <Faith45@batsonc.freeserve.co.uk> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] James Maclean Hi Eleanor - Thanks very much for your kind email. I will try www.collectionscanada to see what I may be able to find. It seems easier if a relative died in the war, than if they lived, as there seems to be more information. Unfortunately the only copy of a very faded newspaper cutting I have does not show him in any uniform only a very faded suit. I did manage to find he travelled on the SS Cassandra from Glasgow in September 1912 to Montreal. I do not know where he went from there, and wonderd if he already had another family member there, and when war started maybe came home to England. I have also found last night the 1911 Census and found a James Maclean aged 35, Solicitor - Montreal - St Louis Ward. I am unsure of the disrtricts in Canada. Someone told me that he may have had to take a train to Quebec. Would he have had to arrange a job before entering Canada , - or did he take "pot luck" as we say here in England. Thanks for taking the time to read this email - Faith ----- Original Message ----- From: "ecrrwd" <e1crowe@telus.net> To: <greatwar@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [GREATWAR] James Maclean > Hi Faith, > > Ordinarily I would suggest that you try the site that gives the Canadian > Expeditionary Forces attestation papers. It seems to be down at the > moment as I just tried it but you might give it a try yourself > www.collectionscanada.ca plus there is always the Commonwealth Graves > site at www.cwgc.org > > Of course your grandfather may have returned to the UK to join up. My > grandfather who had emigrated from Wales in 1910 had earlier in his life > served with the Irish Guards. In 1914 he returned and served with the > Irish Guards until he was discharged in 1915 on medical grounds. Do you > have any photos of your grandfather in uniform that might help you > identify his battalion or unit or?? I'm not an expert at military > matters. > > Also available on www.collectionscanada.ca when the site is working > properly are some passenger lists free to view and print out. It's a job > finding a person though if you don't have any idea of what ship they might > have arrived on but lucky you you have the name of the ship and the year > which narrows it down immensley. > > Do you have any idea of which province in Canada he came to? Both B. C. > and Manitoba have vital statistics on line so you'd have access to those > also if he was in either of these provinces. > > I seem to be going on and on so will leave it at that. Please let me know > if you think I might be able to help somehow. > > Eleanor B. C. CAnada > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Faith Batson" <Faith45@batsonc.freeserve.co.uk> > To: <GREATWAR@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 3:06 PM > Subject: [GREATWAR] James Maclean > > > I am looking for information on my grandfather James Maclean who came to > Montreal in September 1912. > > He was aged 35 and a Solicitor. > > The ship he came in on was called SS Cassandra. > > I was told he was in WW1, and possibly RAMC. > > I am not certain if he left Canada to return to England or what. > > I am certain also that he had family already there. > > Thanks - Faith > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.4/811 - Release Date: 5/18/2007 > 3:50 PM > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Greetings, Might I suggest Ghost Railways of Ontario Volume 2 has thirteen mentions of the Canadian Northern Railway, Volume 1 is currently missing since I have been 'tidied up'. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat and Bill" <mayo-gal@telus.net> To: <GREATWAR@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 4:33 PM Subject: [GREATWAR] Sky line picture , help please > Hello List, > I have a picture taken at a train station of soldiers going off to war. > WW1. I have been trying to find where the picture may have been taken. > Were > thinking perhaps Winnipeg, Manitoba. Canada. I have checked Calgary. But > folks there tell me it was not a Calgary sky line. > The train they are boarding is a Canadian Northern. So my husband does not > think it is in Halifax, N.S. Canada. As he does not think the Canadian > Northern went there. We don't know where there travels took them from > Calgary. Alberta to " England " ? He arrived in England April 11, 1916 on > the SS Baltic. > My Grandfather James FULTON joined the 56th battalion in Calgary. Alberta > 1915 and left for the front on March 12. 1916. He was with the 14th > Battalion when he was killed at Ypres June 26. 1916. > I have his Attestment Record's and information from the British CWGC > website. > I am in search of someone that may know the history of a skyline in > 1915/16. > That would accept a scan from me. In hopes of finding where this picture > was > taken. > Your help would be very much appreciated. > Pat and Bill > mayo-gal@telus.net > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am looking for information on my grandfather James Maclean who came to Montreal in September 1912. He was aged 35 and a Solicitor. The ship he came in on was called SS Cassandra. I was told he was in WW1, and possibly RAMC. I am not certain if he left Canada to return to England or what. I am certain also that he had family already there. Thanks - Faith

Hi Faith, Ordinarily I would suggest that you try the site that gives the Canadian Expeditionary Forces attestation papers. It seems to be down at the moment as I just tried it but you might give it a try yourself www.collectionscanada.ca plus there is always the Commonwealth Graves site at www.cwgc.org Of course your grandfather may have returned to the UK to join up. My grandfather who had emigrated from Wales in 1910 had earlier in his life served with the Irish Guards. In 1914 he returned and served with the Irish Guards until he was discharged in 1915 on medical grounds. Do you have any photos of your grandfather in uniform that might help you identify his battalion or unit or?? I'm not an expert at military matters. Also available on www.collectionscanada.ca when the site is working properly are some passenger lists free to view and print out. It's a job finding a person though if you don't have any idea of what ship they might have arrived on but lucky you you have the name of the ship and the year which narrows it down immensley. Do you have any idea of which province in Canada he came to? Both B. C. and Manitoba have vital statistics on line so you'd have access to those also if he was in either of these provinces. I seem to be going on and on so will leave it at that. Please let me know if you think I might be able to help somehow. Eleanor B. C. CAnada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Faith Batson" <Faith45@batsonc.freeserve.co.uk> To: <GREATWAR@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 3:06 PM Subject: [GREATWAR] James Maclean I am looking for information on my grandfather James Maclean who came to Montreal in September 1912. He was aged 35 and a Solicitor. The ship he came in on was called SS Cassandra. I was told he was in WW1, and possibly RAMC. I am not certain if he left Canada to return to England or what. I am certain also that he had family already there. Thanks - Faith ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.4/811 - Release Date: 5/18/2007 3:50 PM

Hello List, I have a picture taken at a train station of soldiers going off to war. WW1. I have been trying to find where the picture may have been taken. Were thinking perhaps Winnipeg, Manitoba. Canada. I have checked Calgary. But folks there tell me it was not a Calgary sky line. The train they are boarding is a Canadian Northern. So my husband does not think it is in Halifax, N.S. Canada. As he does not think the Canadian Northern went there. We don't know where there travels took them from Calgary. Alberta to " England " ? He arrived in England April 11, 1916 on the SS Baltic. My Grandfather James FULTON joined the 56th battalion in Calgary. Alberta 1915 and left for the front on March 12. 1916. He was with the 14th Battalion when he was killed at Ypres June 26. 1916. I have his Attestment Record's and information from the British CWGC website. I am in search of someone that may know the history of a skyline in 1915/16. That would accept a scan from me. In hopes of finding where this picture was taken. Your help would be very much appreciated. Pat and Bill mayo-gal@telus.net

Can somebody confirm or correct my assumption that ' 7th NG New York' in 1910 was the 7th National Guard Regiment, equivalent to the Canadian Militia. Thanks, Peter

Hi Cathie, See: http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/cef/index-e.html Hope this helps. Janice USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "cathie" <cathie@xplornet.com> To: <GREATWAR@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:03 PM Subject: [GREATWAR] WW1 records > Can anyone tell me where I can get enlistment records from someone who > served in WW1. I am hoping there is someplace online since I am in Canada. > > > > Cathie > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cathie, the National Library and Archives holds these documents. They will send you information or a copy of the person's file (for a fee) For more information, please contact: Canadian Council of Archives 130 Albert Street, Suite 501 Ottawa, Ontario K1P 5G4 Toll free 1-866-254-1403 Fax (613) 565-5445 Email: info@archivescanada.caInternet: www.cdncouncilarchives cathie <cathie@xplornet.com> wrote: Can anyone tell me where I can get enlistment records from someone who served in WW1. I am hoping there is someplace online since I am in Canada. Cathie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anyone tell me where I can get enlistment records from someone who served in WW1. I am hoping there is someplace online since I am in Canada. Cathie

John, I read somewhere that British troops could always tell if German troops had occupied any buildings they captured because of the strong smell of German sausages and tobacco which were almost overpowering. Patrick Holland. John Fenn wrote: > My friend was in Vietnam. > > He said they could smell the Viet Cong coming because they smelt like > rotten fish, presumably from the "fish sauce" > > Conversly the Americans smelt like a mixture of beef fat and "Old > Spice" They were told that Australians smelt like mutton or sheep. > > John Fenn > > > On 14/05/2007, at 2:05 PM, patrick holland wrote: > > >> Nelson, >> >> I did n 't mean to imply that a sergeant actually had a typical smell >> about him/her although many of them would have been described as >> stinkers, or worse, by those unfortunate to fall foul of their >> particular sergeant. I could have said, sounds or looks like one but >> smell followed on in my mind from my Shakespeare quote about a rose >> and >> Rabbie Burns 's use of the word, rank ( which can also mean , smell or >> pong) . >> >> I did n 't know that about Wellington. Thanks for the info. It gives a >> totally different meaning to the term, the great unwashed. From >> what you >> said about the Duke, we can now apply the term to the aristocracy as >> well as to ourselves and to our friends . To misquote, George >> Orwell, " >> All of us pong but some of us pong more than the others ". Now that >> 's a >> very egalitarian thought, I like it. >> >> Regards. >> >> Patrick Holland. >> >> Perth Western Australia. >> >> >> >> >> Nelson Denton wrote: >> >>> ""Surely if a man ( or women) say they are a Sergeant >>> and looks like a Serjeant (ie. he/she wears three stripes on the >>> sleeve >>> of his/her uniform ) and smells like one then surely that is what >>> they >>> are."" >>> >>> I must object! >>> I have it on good authority that Serg/jents took baths at least as >>> often as >>> the men. They were expected to set a good example!. >>> >>> "A good rinse every spring does a man good." >>> Field Marshal The Duke of Smelington >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR- >>> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

My friend was in Vietnam. He said they could smell the Viet Cong coming because they smelt like rotten fish, presumably from the "fish sauce" Conversly the Americans smelt like a mixture of beef fat and "Old Spice" They were told that Australians smelt like mutton or sheep. John Fenn On 14/05/2007, at 2:05 PM, patrick holland wrote: > > Nelson, > > I did n 't mean to imply that a sergeant actually had a typical smell > about him/her although many of them would have been described as > stinkers, or worse, by those unfortunate to fall foul of their > particular sergeant. I could have said, sounds or looks like one but > smell followed on in my mind from my Shakespeare quote about a rose > and > Rabbie Burns 's use of the word, rank ( which can also mean , smell or > pong) . > > I did n 't know that about Wellington. Thanks for the info. It gives a > totally different meaning to the term, the great unwashed. From > what you > said about the Duke, we can now apply the term to the aristocracy as > well as to ourselves and to our friends . To misquote, George > Orwell, " > All of us pong but some of us pong more than the others ". Now that > 's a > very egalitarian thought, I like it. > > Regards. > > Patrick Holland. > > Perth Western Australia. > > > > > Nelson Denton wrote: >> ""Surely if a man ( or women) say they are a Sergeant >> and looks like a Serjeant (ie. he/she wears three stripes on the >> sleeve >> of his/her uniform ) and smells like one then surely that is what >> they >> are."" >> >> I must object! >> I have it on good authority that Serg/jents took baths at least as >> often as >> the men. They were expected to set a good example!. >> >> "A good rinse every spring does a man good." >> Field Marshal The Duke of Smelington >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GREATWAR- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message